Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 08:37 -0800, Chris Epicier wrote:
> Dear chris
> 
> > > I would wish: 
> > > - the 3D preview of axis still available and operable
> > by touch commands

Can Backplot be run in a separate window, like this only with Touchy?
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html//tkemc.png 

Can Backplot be run remotely?

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Epicier
Dear chris

> > I would wish: 
> > - the 3D preview of axis still available and operable
> by touch commands
> 
> Touchy may get this feature some day but I don't know of
> any concrete
> plans to do it.  Currently I write/edit my gcode on
> another computer
> using AXIS on EMC in simulator mode.  Once I am happy
> with the gcode
> and I put it on the real machine, I don't need the preview
> anymore,
> and I appreciate how fast Touchy works when it doesn't have
> to mess
> with generating the preview.

This is a good point and I am with you for as long as you are not going to 
stretch the limits of the part you make. In my case, this is rather often true 
unfortunately. when I touch off I always check the milling limits and visally 
that is quite convinient. Apart from this, one really could look at it as a 
nice gadget, especially when considering the amount of cpu 'wasted'. As I 
announced, I will set up a test box and play with it and let you know how I get 
along. It will be my opersonal findings though, so expect some coloured opinion.

> 
> > - job file selectable (can't see a file select
> dialogue on what is shown on referred page)
> 
> Touchy does not have a full file chooser.  Files in
> ~/emc2/nc_files
> are considered "in the control" and you can pick the one
> you want
> from the list on the Auto mode tab.  I put files "in
> the control"
> from my other machine using a simple copy over the
> network.

I will point it to a symbolic link. Like that I'll have access both ways: 
Touchy to its fixed source directory and for the various projects their priject 
directory. As mentioned I use this approach already successfully with axis for 
my master / sub program jobs.
> 
> > - is there a "start from current line" option?
> 
> Yes, you can select among "Start Points" also on the Auto
> tab.  These
> are lines in the gcode starting with N words.  I like
> to put a start
> point at every tool change and at other safe places to
> start.

Up to now, I just hit the line and said start from here, I still have a long 
way to go until I know gcode as do know the inside of my pocket!

> > Looks *good*, really good, I am already in love with
> it!
> 
> Thanks!
Pleasure and true

chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 05:05:28AM +, Chris Epicier wrote:
> I would wish: 
> - the 3D preview of axis still available and operable by touch commands

Touchy may get this feature some day but I don't know of any concrete
plans to do it.  Currently I write/edit my gcode on another computer
using AXIS on EMC in simulator mode.  Once I am happy with the gcode
and I put it on the real machine, I don't need the preview anymore,
and I appreciate how fast Touchy works when it doesn't have to mess
with generating the preview.

> - job file selectable (can't see a file select dialogue on what is shown on 
> referred page)

Touchy does not have a full file chooser.  Files in ~/emc2/nc_files
are considered "in the control" and you can pick the one you want
from the list on the Auto mode tab.  I put files "in the control"
from my other machine using a simple copy over the network.

> - is there a "start from current line" option?

Yes, you can select among "Start Points" also on the Auto tab.  These
are lines in the gcode starting with N words.  I like to put a start
point at every tool change and at other safe places to start.

> Looks *good*, really good, I am already in love with it!

Thanks!

Chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Epicier
Dear Alex

> > Now that is good news! do you
> need a beta tester?
> Beta testers are _always_ welcomed.

I will source a spare machine and set it up for that, like steve seems to :-)
 
> > Looking at the page, how does that integrate into
> axis?
> It doesn't. It's a separate GUI.
Thought that was the case ...

> >I would wish:
> >- the 3D preview of axis still available and operable
> by touch commands
> currently touchy doesn't contain a 3D preview.
> - you could run both AXIS and touchy on one machine, but 2
> GUIs is asking 
> for troubles.
> - ask nicely for a preview/add a preview yourself
I herewith swith to very nice mode "click" (very nice mode is ON)
Coould you kindly integrate a 3D preview to touchy, as I feel myself unable to 
do that and would be so very happy to see that in touchy? 
"click" (Switched back to standard nicety mode)
Was that nice enough?


> > - job file selectable (can't see a file select
> dialogue on what is shown 
> > on referred page)
> there is one, but it only loads programs from your
> PROGRAM_PREFIX folder
Looks OK for me at the time being as I am using most of the time subs which 
seem to be limited to run off PROGRAM_PREFIX folder anyway (having jobs with 
subs run from anywhere will be probably another ask nicely feature to get 
incorporated, am I right?)

> > - is there a "start from current line" option?
> got me on that one, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.
There was by no mean an intention to actually get you somehow. I was just say 
asking for stuff that I use a lot many times and cannot see on other 
controlling software. Actually peply that visit me to see their part being 
milled are often very impressed by emc. There was also a guy that is working 
professionall on a industrial grade cnc mill. He said he wished he had that 
comfort on his controller.

Thanks a lot

chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Alex Joni
> Now that is good news! do you need a beta tester?
Beta testers are _always_ welcomed.

> Looking at the page, how does that integrate into axis?
It doesn't. It's a separate GUI.

>I would wish:
>- the 3D preview of axis still available and operable by touch commands
currently touchy doesn't contain a 3D preview.
- you could run both AXIS and touchy on one machine, but 2 GUIs is asking 
for troubles.
- ask nicely for a preview/add a preview yourself

> - job file selectable (can't see a file select dialogue on what is shown 
> on referred page)
there is one, but it only loads programs from your PROGRAM_PREFIX folder

> - is there a "start from current line" option?
got me on that one, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

Regards,
Alex 

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:05:28 + (GMT), you wrote:

>Andy
>
>> > The Axis screen isn't very touch screen friendly so I
>> still need a mouse
>> > to do some tasks.
>> 
>> There is a dedicated touchscreen interface in the
>> pipeline.
>> 
>> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui_touchy.html

>Looking at the page, how does that integrate into axis?
>I would wish: 
>- the 3D preview of axis still available and operable by touch commands
>- job file selectable (can't see a file select dialogue on what is shown on 
>referred page)
>- is there a "start from current line" option?

I downloaded latest EMC beta via git yesterday on dev machine and agree
on all of those. Option to change the input directory and 3D view as in
axis is needed. Would be much better with 4th axis support for mill and
a lathe version :)

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-08 Thread Chris Epicier
Andy

> > The Axis screen isn't very touch screen friendly so I
> still need a mouse
> > to do some tasks.
> 
> There is a dedicated touchscreen interface in the
> pipeline.
> 
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui_touchy.html

Now that is good news! do you need a beta tester?

Looking at the page, how does that integrate into axis?
I would wish: 
- the 3D preview of axis still available and operable by touch commands
- job file selectable (can't see a file select dialogue on what is shown on 
referred page)
- is there a "start from current line" option?

Looks *good*, really good, I am already in love with it!

greets chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-08 Thread Chris Epicier

> 
> Hi Chris - I finally got this to work, I gave up with
> mutouch! I
> downloaded the 3M driver, searched online in linux forums,
> found how to
> unpack and install, after several attempts, I finally got
> it to work.

Could you kindly shed some light on this, I have been a long way down that oute 
too but si far w/o success

> The only use the mutouch program had, was it told me which
> file the
> parameters live in :)
> 
> The Axis screen isn't very touch screen friendly so I still
> need a mouse
> to do some tasks. The biggest problem is the small sliders
> for jog and
> feed speed, the jog one's a pain when initially setting up
> a job. A
> Shift/Jog for rapids would help enormously here, so only
> the slow jog
> speed need be set for the final touch move.

I totally agree with you, axis is really not set up for touch operations like 
feed, jogging and touching off. But there is one great thing to get this done 
imho the "royal" way: use a wireless joypad (mine is still on its way to me, so 
I use a USB logitech joypad for the time being)! I have it set up like this:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
using this hal file with minor change:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?A_New_Approach_For_Using_Joypads_With_EMC2
look at the bottom for "upload:joypad_v3.hal"

The very ingenous way to jog is, it is progressive. The more analog stick you 
give it, the faster it moves. Just great and would not like to miss it anymore!

> Once touched off, the run/pause/stop buttons are fine. For
> manual stuff
> the spindle controls are also a bit small, there's enough
> free space
> around them so I assume they could be made bigger?

I guess so, but I still have buttons free in my joypad. So I will set the 
joypad up to play them once I got some time. I will publish the modified file 
here when done.

greets chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-08 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/12/8 Steve Blackmore :

> The Axis screen isn't very touch screen friendly so I still need a mouse
> to do some tasks.

There is a dedicated touchscreen interface in the pipeline.

http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui_touchy.html


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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-08 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:54:04 + (GMT), you wrote:

>Dear Steve
>
>> I wish I knew how, I've spent days on this now and pretty much given up.
>
>I do also have the ver same problem here: installs OK, can be calibrated but 
>then mirrors inputs on y axis. 
>
>I tried an install on Suse 11.2 and the results are initially the same: y axis 
>mirrored and SwapY does not work. However, exchangin values of MaxY and MinY 
>solves the problem.
>
>Tomorrow I want to compare the sources and see what this gives. eventually we 
>could recompile a patched hard version?

Hi Chris - I finally got this to work, I gave up with mutouch! I
downloaded the 3M driver, searched online in linux forums, found how to
unpack and install, after several attempts, I finally got it to work.
The only use the mutouch program had, was it told me which file the
parameters live in :)

The Axis screen isn't very touch screen friendly so I still need a mouse
to do some tasks. The biggest problem is the small sliders for jog and
feed speed, the jog one's a pain when initially setting up a job. A
Shift/Jog for rapids would help enormously here, so only the slow jog
speed need be set for the final touch move.

Once touched off, the run/pause/stop buttons are fine. For manual stuff
the spindle controls are also a bit small, there's enough free space
around them so I assume they could be made bigger?

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-12-08 Thread Chris Epicier
Dear Steve

> I wish I knew how, I've spent days on this now and pretty much given up.

I do also have the ver same problem here: installs OK, can be calibrated but 
then mirrors inputs on y axis. 

I tried an install on Suse 11.2 and the results are initially the same: y axis 
mirrored and SwapY does not work. However, exchangin values of MaxY and MinY 
solves the problem.

Tomorrow I want to compare the sources and see what this gives. eventually we 
could recompile a patched hard version?

greets 

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-25 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:27:29 -0400, you wrote:


>Thanks for your patience with me,  I saw a thread with minimal replies and
>minimal progress so thought I'd jump in.  I was actually experiencing some
>insomnia and it appears I am again tonight...Sorry I didn't look at the
>change logs and bug reports.

No problem - Thanks for making the effort to try and help. Tried on IRC
and never got any replies there either, seems nobody is interested. :(

>As for trying the newer packages for Jaunty or Karmic, you're probably Ok to
>reassign the dependencies and use those packages.

I wish I knew how, I've spent days on this now and pretty much given up.

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-23 Thread Greg Michalski
Steve -

Thanks for your patience with me,  I saw a thread with minimal replies and
minimal progress so thought I'd jump in.  I was actually experiencing some
insomnia and it appears I am again tonight...Sorry I didn't look at the
change logs and bug reports.

As for trying the newer packages for Jaunty or Karmic, you're probably Ok to
reassign the dependencies and use those packages.  As always I'd recommend a
back up of critical information, but undoing the change if it doesn't work
should be rather straight forward.

Try and contact the authors/developers of the driver through those pages and
see what they have to say.  My thought is even with the evolvement of the
Kernel, and the realtime kernel we use for EMC, that the HID sub-system
hasn't been overhauled so much as to break the driver migration,  But, as
with anything, exercise caution.

Good luck.
 
Greg
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> From: Steve Blackmore [mailto:st...@pilotltd.net]
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:59:55 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >Which version of the mutouch driver are you using?  According to the
Ubuntu
> >Hardy (didn't see a mention of which version of Ubuntu you are running
> >either so I am making an assumption) link I googled
> >(http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-mutouch) the current
> >version is 1.1.0-3 with dependencies on libc6 >= ver 2.6.1-1 and
> >xserver-xorg-core >= ver 2:1.4.  What versions are those?
> 
> Hi Greg - that's the old buggy version, last updated 2007. There have
> been several versions since then, but they didn't update Hardy, only
> Jaunty and Karmic. The "latest" fixed one is 1:1.2.1-1
> 
> Fix log shows
> 
> xserver-xorg-input-mutouch (1:1.2.0-3) unstable; urgency=medium
> 
>   * Cherry-pick one more fix from upstream: Fix calculation of
> coordinates
> with inverted axes.  Thanks to Fernando Vicente for the report and
> the
> patch.
> 
>  -- Julien Cristau   Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:31:55
> +0100
> 
> Maybe anything after 1:1.2.0-3 is OK? But will those newer versions work
> with Hardy?
> 
> >Looking back and seeing that you originally installed the evtouch driver
I
> >googled that and found the Ubuntu package page on that
> >http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch - you may
find
> >more details there.  There are several dependencies there as well.
> 
> That's got inverted axis also - check out the bug reports on that page.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-23 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:59:55 -0400, you wrote:

>Which version of the mutouch driver are you using?  According to the Ubuntu
>Hardy (didn't see a mention of which version of Ubuntu you are running
>either so I am making an assumption) link I googled
>(http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-mutouch) the current
>version is 1.1.0-3 with dependencies on libc6 >= ver 2.6.1-1 and
>xserver-xorg-core >= ver 2:1.4.  What versions are those?

Hi Greg - that's the old buggy version, last updated 2007. There have
been several versions since then, but they didn't update Hardy, only
Jaunty and Karmic. The "latest" fixed one is 1:1.2.1-1

Fix log shows

xserver-xorg-input-mutouch (1:1.2.0-3) unstable; urgency=medium

  * Cherry-pick one more fix from upstream: Fix calculation of
coordinates
with inverted axes.  Thanks to Fernando Vicente for the report and
the
patch.

 -- Julien Cristau   Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:31:55
+0100

Maybe anything after 1:1.2.0-3 is OK? But will those newer versions work
with Hardy?

>Looking back and seeing that you originally installed the evtouch driver I
>googled that and found the Ubuntu package page on that
>http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch - you may find
>more details there.  There are several dependencies there as well.

That's got inverted axis also - check out the bug reports on that page.

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-22 Thread Greg Michalski
Which version of the mutouch driver are you using?  According to the Ubuntu
Hardy (didn't see a mention of which version of Ubuntu you are running
either so I am making an assumption) link I googled
(http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-mutouch) the current
version is 1.1.0-3 with dependencies on libc6 >= ver 2.6.1-1 and
xserver-xorg-core >= ver 2:1.4.  What versions are those?

Looking back and seeing that you originally installed the evtouch driver I
googled that and found the Ubuntu package page on that
http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch - you may find
more details there.  There are several dependencies there as well.

HTH!

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> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Blackmore [mailto:st...@pilotltd.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:47 PM
> To: st...@pilotltd.net; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens
> 
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:44:31 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:22:41 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Perhaps you should log out and back in for some changes to take effect.
> >>
> >>I do not own touchscreen so the following is just a hint on how I would
> >>go about troubleshooting. I would check System -> Preferences -> Mouse
> >>or run dpkg --configure xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
> >>
> >>You may want to read from a link given by
> >>apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
> >>which returned
http://stz-softwaretechnik.com/~ke/touchscreen/evtouch.html
> >>
> >>That page describes changes you should see in /etc/X11/xorg.conf after
> >>installation. That's where changes need to be made for X-Windows
> >>configuration.
> >
> >Done all that prior to asking here :(
> >
> >The changes are there, the applet isn't. I was wondering if it was some
> >change made by EMC install that was preventing it appearing.
> 
> Further to that, I used a different driver, used the mutouch which is
> bundled with Ubuntu and managed to find and use a third party
> calibration program.
> 
> Bad news, Y axis is reversed, seems a very common problem and there is a
> fix with a later driver, but it seems that the old buggy driver is
> bundled with EMC? The later driver has SwapX and SwapY true/false
> parameters in the xorg.conf file -  they have no effect on the emc
> release?
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-21 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:44:31 +0100, you wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:22:41 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>>Perhaps you should log out and back in for some changes to take effect.
>>
>>I do not own touchscreen so the following is just a hint on how I would
>>go about troubleshooting. I would check System -> Preferences -> Mouse
>>or run dpkg --configure xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
>>
>>You may want to read from a link given by
>>apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
>>which returned http://stz-softwaretechnik.com/~ke/touchscreen/evtouch.html
>>
>>That page describes changes you should see in /etc/X11/xorg.conf after
>>installation. That's where changes need to be made for X-Windows
>>configuration.
>
>Done all that prior to asking here :(
>
>The changes are there, the applet isn't. I was wondering if it was some
>change made by EMC install that was preventing it appearing.

Further to that, I used a different driver, used the mutouch which is
bundled with Ubuntu and managed to find and use a third party
calibration program. 

Bad news, Y axis is reversed, seems a very common problem and there is a
fix with a later driver, but it seems that the old buggy driver is
bundled with EMC? The later driver has SwapX and SwapY true/false
parameters in the xorg.conf file -  they have no effect on the emc
release?

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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-21 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:22:41 -0700, you wrote:


>Perhaps you should log out and back in for some changes to take effect.
>
>I do not own touchscreen so the following is just a hint on how I would
>go about troubleshooting. I would check System -> Preferences -> Mouse
>or run dpkg --configure xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
>
>You may want to read from a link given by
>apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
>which returned http://stz-softwaretechnik.com/~ke/touchscreen/evtouch.html
>
>That page describes changes you should see in /etc/X11/xorg.conf after
>installation. That's where changes need to be made for X-Windows
>configuration.

Done all that prior to asking here :(

The changes are there, the applet isn't. I was wondering if it was some
change made by EMC install that was preventing it appearing.

Steve Blackmore
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Re: [Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-20 Thread Rafael Skodlar
Steve Blackmore wrote:
> Is anybody using a touch screen with EMC?
> 
> I can get my screen to respond but am having trouble calibrating it.
> Can't get the calibration program to appear. Instructions I found are
> 
> Run "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch" in a terminal
> and run the resulting "Calibrate Touchscreen" applet in the
> System->Administration menu to
> get touchscreen working.
> 
> Program downloads and installs but the applet is not appearing? Not
> being a linux user I'm probably missing something obvious. Any ideas?
>  
> 
> Steve Blackmore

Perhaps you should log out and back in for some changes to take effect.

I do not own touchscreen so the following is just a hint on how I would
go about troubleshooting. I would check System -> Preferences -> Mouse
or run dpkg --configure xserver-xorg-input-evtouch

You may want to read from a link given by
apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
which returned http://stz-softwaretechnik.com/~ke/touchscreen/evtouch.html

That page describes changes you should see in /etc/X11/xorg.conf after
installation. That's where changes need to be made for X-Windows
configuration.


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[Emc-users] Touch screens

2009-06-20 Thread Steve Blackmore
Is anybody using a touch screen with EMC?

I can get my screen to respond but am having trouble calibrating it.
Can't get the calibration program to appear. Instructions I found are

Run "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch" in a terminal
and run the resulting "Calibrate Touchscreen" applet in the
System->Administration menu to
get touchscreen working.

Program downloads and installs but the applet is not appearing? Not
being a linux user I'm probably missing something obvious. Any ideas?
 

Steve Blackmore
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