Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
I'm not sure what remains after drying WD40 is oil, because it doesn't look greasy. Just dry. And doesnt leave marks on clothes like oil does. But also protects less efficiently than pure oil. - Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com a écrit : WD-40 is mostly composed of a solvent that evaporates, leaving a thin layer of oil. I am not sure why one would want to pay for solvent, for rustproofing purposes, so I prefer buying straight sprayable oil. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:30 AM, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote: WD40 is said to be such a product. I buy it by 5liters cans and use it also in spray bottle. Old bottle from window cleaner is very convenient :) Le 29/12/2010 14:10, Igor Chudov a écrit : There are some rust preventative sprays that 1) adhere to surfaces 2) displace water 3) do not become sticky over time. Examples include LPS-2. I buy it by the gallon and put in spray bottles. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:00 AM, yann jautardbrico...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/12/2010 02:22, Kirk Wallace a écrit : The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Sad news. Sorry for you. I use WD40 to protect all the unpainted parts from rust. Spray it after cleaning, it dry in two or three days, then doesn't look oiled any more, but still prevent the rust. One old machinist I met a few years ago also used petrol to prevent the rust. Sprayed it all over the machine. Works well. But keeps a oiled/greasy aspect. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- (\__/) (='.'=) Ceci est un petit lapin. Copiez/collez-le dans ()_() votre signature pour l'aider à dominer le monde -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Yann Jautard brico...@free.fr wrote: I'm not sure what remains after drying WD40 is oil, because it doesn't look greasy. Just dry. And doesnt leave marks on clothes like oil does. But also protects less efficiently than pure oil. My experience as a bike mechanic is that WD-40 offers almost no protection against rust. Although sometimes almost no protection is enough protection. I use Johnston paste wax for rust protection. I have thought about getting some Boesheild T-9, which is reportedly available from Sears. But the paste wax works well. Eric Keller Boalsburg, PA -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Has anyone ever tried Penetrol? It is a paint additive for oil based paints and it claims to be an effective rust preventer. I haven't tried it. An old woodworker I once new swore by the use of paraffin mixed into kerosene. You heat up some kerosene in a pan and dissolve paraffin wax into the kerosene. Paint the mixture onto machined surfaces.The kerosene dries out slowly and leaves a super thin layer of wax on the surface. I haven't tried that either. :-) Dave On 12/30/2010 12:45 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Yann Jautardbrico...@free.fr wrote: I'm not sure what remains after drying WD40 is oil, because it doesn't look greasy. Just dry. And doesnt leave marks on clothes like oil does. But also protects less efficiently than pure oil. My experience as a bike mechanic is that WD-40 offers almost no protection against rust. Although sometimes almost no protection is enough protection. I use Johnston paste wax for rust protection. I have thought about getting some Boesheild T-9, which is reportedly available from Sears. But the paste wax works well. Eric Keller Boalsburg, PA -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Le 27/12/2010 02:22, Kirk Wallace a écrit : The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Sad news. Sorry for you. I use WD40 to protect all the unpainted parts from rust. Spray it after cleaning, it dry in two or three days, then doesn't look oiled any more, but still prevent the rust. One old machinist I met a few years ago also used petrol to prevent the rust. Sprayed it all over the machine. Works well. But keeps a oiled/greasy aspect. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
There are some rust preventative sprays that 1) adhere to surfaces 2) displace water 3) do not become sticky over time. Examples include LPS-2. I buy it by the gallon and put in spray bottles. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:00 AM, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/12/2010 02:22, Kirk Wallace a écrit : The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Sad news. Sorry for you. I use WD40 to protect all the unpainted parts from rust. Spray it after cleaning, it dry in two or three days, then doesn't look oiled any more, but still prevent the rust. One old machinist I met a few years ago also used petrol to prevent the rust. Sprayed it all over the machine. Works well. But keeps a oiled/greasy aspect. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
WD40 is said to be such a product. I buy it by 5liters cans and use it also in spray bottle. Old bottle from window cleaner is very convenient :) Le 29/12/2010 14:10, Igor Chudov a écrit : There are some rust preventative sprays that 1) adhere to surfaces 2) displace water 3) do not become sticky over time. Examples include LPS-2. I buy it by the gallon and put in spray bottles. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:00 AM, yann jautardbrico...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/12/2010 02:22, Kirk Wallace a écrit : The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Sad news. Sorry for you. I use WD40 to protect all the unpainted parts from rust. Spray it after cleaning, it dry in two or three days, then doesn't look oiled any more, but still prevent the rust. One old machinist I met a few years ago also used petrol to prevent the rust. Sprayed it all over the machine. Works well. But keeps a oiled/greasy aspect. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
WD-40 is mostly composed of a solvent that evaporates, leaving a thin layer of oil. I am not sure why one would want to pay for solvent, for rustproofing purposes, so I prefer buying straight sprayable oil. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:30 AM, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote: WD40 is said to be such a product. I buy it by 5liters cans and use it also in spray bottle. Old bottle from window cleaner is very convenient :) Le 29/12/2010 14:10, Igor Chudov a écrit : There are some rust preventative sprays that 1) adhere to surfaces 2) displace water 3) do not become sticky over time. Examples include LPS-2. I buy it by the gallon and put in spray bottles. i On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:00 AM, yann jautardbrico...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/12/2010 02:22, Kirk Wallace a écrit : The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Sad news. Sorry for you. I use WD40 to protect all the unpainted parts from rust. Spray it after cleaning, it dry in two or three days, then doesn't look oiled any more, but still prevent the rust. One old machinist I met a few years ago also used petrol to prevent the rust. Sprayed it all over the machine. Works well. But keeps a oiled/greasy aspect. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Igor Chudov wrote: There are some rust preventative sprays that 1) adhere to surfaces 2) displace water 3) do not become sticky over time. Examples include LPS-2. I buy it by the gallon and put in spray bottles. I use LPS-1. You used to be able to get it in a trigger pump spray bottle, but I don't think they sell it in that form now. I'm just re-filling my spray bottle now. I use it any place coolant has gotten all over stuff, but especially on the vise after using flood coolant. I wipe the vise ways, spray with LPS-1 and then move the jaw to the other extreme and repeat. Never had a spot of rust on the vise. I also use it to protect pin gauges and other precision tools, and when water has gotten into my shop. Jon -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
For me, flood coolant itself is a rust preventative. I never had anything rust that was sprayed with coolant. The only minus of it as a rust preventative is that it dries. i -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Most of the cutting fluids are rust preventing - I put a bit of the concentrate on a rag and wipe things down - don't get any rust. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Misdirection is the key to being a good magician. Magicians tell you they are doing something while they do something quite different; much like politicians -- except we can afford magicians. -KPS -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
On 12/26/2010 08:22 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Hope you weren't in any of the areas of the mud slides. Those poor folks are going to be digging for a while. Mark -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
That can be really frustrating when you work so hard to keep your machines clean and they rust up on you. I added some water to my coolant by just pouring it into the mill one evening and didn't run the coolant pump after and in the morning I had a light coat of rust on my vise and table... boy I was pissed till I got it all cleaned off with my scotchbrite pad... I do a couple of things to ward off rust on my machines. I have a wood burning heater that keeps the shop dry and I use LPS 3 on bare metal surfaces when not in use. John Kirk Wallace wrote: The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Sorry to hear this., To me, rust is a constant worry. I do a few things. 1) I keep everything that can be oiled, oiled. 2) I run a room heater to keep things well above the dew point. I had a disaster once, where after very cold weather, my garage was freezing cold. Then one day the temp shot up to +16C and it rained all day. Everything had a layer of dew on it. I was kind of fortunate, I fired up my 10 kW heater and made the garage very hot, it evaporated the dew in an hour and I got minimal rust. But it taught me a lesson. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:22 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Thanks for the replies. Usually (almost always), it is fairly dry here in the Eastern CA hills, so this problem doesn't present itself often. Actually, after the rain the outside air was pretty dry, but with the water inside the shop, the air being closed up, and the machines being cold, it was a prefect storm, so to speak. I didn't go down to the shop for a couple of days, and it didn't occur to me to check (Dooh). When I did get down there, I thought a heater would make it worse, so I opened the doors and windows, ran fans and the wet/dry vac to get as much water out as I could. I have tried to not have any thing on the floor if I could help it, but I have far too much stuff, in far too small a space. All of the cardboard boxes on the floor have gotten wet and are slumping and things inside are getting ruined. I can't get to many of them. It may be that an automatic heater could keep the machines warm enough but they would need to be warmed before the humidity comes. A dehumidifier would be nice, but you don't see many of them around these parts, I'll have to look into it. Energy cost is pretty high, to me at least, so I'll need to be mindful of efficiency. My heart goes out to those that have to deal with real flooding, tornadoes, hurricanes, and the like. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
You can make yourself a de-humidifier with any old refrigeration system. A friend used a chilled-water-dispenser to keep his dungeon dry. Worked quite well. Let the cooling coil snow up, and turn off at intervals to let the ice melt and drain into a drum. You don't even have to worry about venting the the condensor coil externally, just keep it at the far end of your contraption. Regards Roland On 27 December 2010 19:14, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:22 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Thanks for the replies. Usually (almost always), it is fairly dry here in the Eastern CA hills, so this problem doesn't present itself often. Actually, after the rain the outside air was pretty dry, but with the water inside the shop, the air being closed up, and the machines being cold, it was a prefect storm, so to speak. I didn't go down to the shop for a couple of days, and it didn't occur to me to check (Dooh). When I did get down there, I thought a heater would make it worse, so I opened the doors and windows, ran fans and the wet/dry vac to get as much water out as I could. I have tried to not have any thing on the floor if I could help it, but I have far too much stuff, in far too small a space. All of the cardboard boxes on the floor have gotten wet and are slumping and things inside are getting ruined. I can't get to many of them. It may be that an automatic heater could keep the machines warm enough but they would need to be warmed before the humidity comes. A dehumidifier would be nice, but you don't see many of them around these parts, I'll have to look into it. Energy cost is pretty high, to me at least, so I'll need to be mindful of efficiency. My heart goes out to those that have to deal with real flooding, tornadoes, hurricanes, and the like. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do _Not_ Clean Your Machines
Hi Kirk; Most small dehumidifiers only run when the humidity is above the the Dryness Control setting. Mine runs a lot during the summer (high humidity season) and almost never otherwise; except for warm driving rains (through the Doors). The small Whirlpool unit is drying a 4000 sq ft basement concrete floor shop and has never let anything even tarnish let alone rust. If anything can draw and condense moisture, it's a cool underground concrete floor. Hope this helps Don On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 17:22 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: The rain came and put a 1/8 of water across the whole shop, then sunny the next day and turned the shop into a sauna on freezing cold steel. Only the few cruddy parts of my machines escaped the rust. I'm _really_ pissed with mother nature right now, but I guess I should be thankful, it could be worse (don't know how, oops more rain Tuesday). If my machines were dirty I'd be okay. Thanks for the replies. Usually (almost always), it is fairly dry here in the Eastern CA hills, so this problem doesn't present itself often. Actually, after the rain the outside air was pretty dry, but with the water inside the shop, the air being closed up, and the machines being cold, it was a prefect storm, so to speak. I didn't go down to the shop for a couple of days, and it didn't occur to me to check (Dooh). When I did get down there, I thought a heater would make it worse, so I opened the doors and windows, ran fans and the wet/dry vac to get as much water out as I could. I have tried to not have any thing on the floor if I could help it, but I have far too much stuff, in far too small a space. All of the cardboard boxes on the floor have gotten wet and are slumping and things inside are getting ruined. I can't get to many of them. It may be that an automatic heater could keep the machines warm enough but they would need to be warmed before the humidity comes. A dehumidifier would be nice, but you don't see many of them around these parts, I'll have to look into it. Energy cost is pretty high, to me at least, so I'll need to be mindful of efficiency. My heart goes out to those that have to deal with real flooding, tornadoes, hurricanes, and the like. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
