Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Monday 18 May 2009 02:49:58 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:54:18 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net said: this is odd... no one has disagreed. very strange... (note - complete thumbs up from me!). i dont see it needs to be exactly weekly- but regularly maybe every few days (1-10 days or so) as long as there is regular news flow. i'm all for it. news is nicely stashed in svn for revision history too :) A commit digest like this http://commit-digest.org/issues/2009-02-22/ would be nice. Its a combination of: 1. A big paragrpah detailing what's new with links to relevant project pages 2. A couple of blog posts from developers related to changes made in that week 3. Software generated statics from the svn server 4. A list of bug fixes generated from the bug tracker The only thing I would change from that is the big paragraph at the begging with something more lighter to the eyes (not looking like brick) and more humanely written. The E.org version would be more lighter than this since there are no blog posts to include or a huge amount of projects to keep track off -which causes the kde guy in charge of this to be behind schedule more often than not- I think 3 and 4 are pretty easy to do since software for them is most likely written already. 2 will take care of itself once developers start blogging and it can be ommited if they dont. The real issue is 1. I think everyone should pitch in to make it easy for the guy in charge by marking the important changes. A good idea would be adding a specific word to their commit comment like [newfeature] and [improvement] in order to easily search the SVN list archive for important changes. IF we automate much of the process and pitch in by tagging commits this will be pretty easy to pull off, specially if we take turns to put it togheter -the kde digest is done by one guy-. Once we get this going we can add a section for it inside the brochure news page. That is all. dresb Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
Great Idea ! But it doesn't need to be weekly because, it's a free project, there is no engagement to produce something, no company behind. Every 15days is still ok to me... Even if I can't really help on development, I could help for that :) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM, andres andresbl...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 May 2009 02:49:58 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:54:18 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net said: this is odd... no one has disagreed. very strange... (note - complete thumbs up from me!). i dont see it needs to be exactly weekly- but regularly maybe every few days (1-10 days or so) as long as there is regular news flow. i'm all for it. news is nicely stashed in svn for revision history too :) A commit digest like this http://commit-digest.org/issues/2009-02-22/would be nice. Its a combination of: 1. A big paragrpah detailing what's new with links to relevant project pages 2. A couple of blog posts from developers related to changes made in that week 3. Software generated statics from the svn server 4. A list of bug fixes generated from the bug tracker The only thing I would change from that is the big paragraph at the begging with something more lighter to the eyes (not looking like brick) and more humanely written. The E.org version would be more lighter than this since there are no blog posts to include or a huge amount of projects to keep track off -which causes the kde guy in charge of this to be behind schedule more often than not- I think 3 and 4 are pretty easy to do since software for them is most likely written already. 2 will take care of itself once developers start blogging and it can be ommited if they dont. The real issue is 1. I think everyone should pitch in to make it easy for the guy in charge by marking the important changes. A good idea would be adding a specific word to their commit comment like [newfeature] and [improvement] in order to easily search the SVN list archive for important changes. IF we automate much of the process and pitch in by tagging commits this will be pretty easy to pull off, specially if we take turns to put it togheter -the kde digest is done by one guy-. Once we get this going we can add a section for it inside the brochure news page. That is all. dresb Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
If we do have a fortnightly/weekly news article, it would be good of whoever writes it (or some other PR delegate) to submit it to some of the top social news sites like reddit, digg, slashdot (for bigger release news) and so on. News articles like that are in a way, sort of like press releases where you release that information to the news and then to the public. This should generate some discussion on E and cast off the LOL Duke Nukem Forever blah blah E17 LOL type of responses. (BTW, Looks like we will be beating Duke Nukem Forever to release! Woo!) Im not trying to start a discussion on that, just saying advertising our news would make for more effective news. The advertising can be done by non-developer type people that just want to help out. -Tom. 2009/5/21 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: Great Idea ! But it doesn't need to be weekly because, it's a free project, there is no engagement to produce something, no company behind. Every 15days is still ok to me... Even if I can't really help on development, I could help for that :) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM, andres andresbl...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 May 2009 02:49:58 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:54:18 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net said: this is odd... no one has disagreed. very strange... (note - complete thumbs up from me!). i dont see it needs to be exactly weekly- but regularly maybe every few days (1-10 days or so) as long as there is regular news flow. i'm all for it. news is nicely stashed in svn for revision history too :) A commit digest like this http://commit-digest.org/issues/2009-02-22/would be nice. Its a combination of: 1. A big paragrpah detailing what's new with links to relevant project pages 2. A couple of blog posts from developers related to changes made in that week 3. Software generated statics from the svn server 4. A list of bug fixes generated from the bug tracker The only thing I would change from that is the big paragraph at the begging with something more lighter to the eyes (not looking like brick) and more humanely written. The E.org version would be more lighter than this since there are no blog posts to include or a huge amount of projects to keep track off -which causes the kde guy in charge of this to be behind schedule more often than not- I think 3 and 4 are pretty easy to do since software for them is most likely written already. 2 will take care of itself once developers start blogging and it can be ommited if they dont. The real issue is 1. I think everyone should pitch in to make it easy for the guy in charge by marking the important changes. A good idea would be adding a specific word to their commit comment like [newfeature] and [improvement] in order to easily search the SVN list archive for important changes. IF we automate much of the process and pitch in by tagging commits this will be pretty easy to pull off, specially if we take turns to put it togheter -the kde digest is done by one guy-. Once we get this going we can add a section for it inside the brochure news page. That is all. dresb Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be
[E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, thomasg -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
I think this is a great idea. I subscribe to the SVN commits to see what's happening, but since I'm not a developer it's not always easy to figure out exactly what's been happening. The news digest would fit my needs perfectly. Steve. Thomas Gstädtner wrote: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, thomasg -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
2009/5/17 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). ... snip ... Please share your opinion, thomasg I really like this proposal. In the past I thought of something similar, but automatically generated by the changelogs. Having this kind of news written by a human is better, in this way you can filter and translate-for-users what happened in the week. Great idea. Massimiliano -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Sunday, 17 May 2009, at 16:54:18 (+0200), Thomas Gst?dtner wrote: I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. *Now* you're talking. Good stuff; please keep it up! :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, Excellent idea! This would be good for project users and also outsiders (I know I read gnome/kde news to keep informed about others). As for media, I'd say wiki (trac) is good and easy, but I see no problem in user other stuff. I'd like to have rich text capabilities so we can inline images (screenshots, etc) and screencasts, making it even more interesting. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
maybe you could put it on the trac wiki initially to form the story throughout the week so that everyone can contribute and say a set time on Sunday that info will be grabbed and posted on enlightenment.org and ml's. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, Excellent idea! This would be good for project users and also outsiders (I know I read gnome/kde news to keep informed about others). As for media, I'd say wiki (trac) is good and easy, but I see no problem in user other stuff. I'd like to have rich text capabilities so we can inline images (screenshots, etc) and screencasts, making it even more interesting. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 21:35, Ian Caldwell inchost...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you could put it on the trac wiki initially to form the story throughout the week so that everyone can contribute and say a set time on Sunday that info will be grabbed and posted on enlightenment.org and ml's. That's exactly what I had in mind, maybe it didn't come right through in the too-long mail. :) On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, Excellent idea! This would be good for project users and also outsiders (I know I read gnome/kde news to keep informed about others). As for media, I'd say wiki (trac) is good and easy, but I see no problem in user other stuff. I'd like to have rich text capabilities so we can inline images (screenshots, etc) and screencasts, making it even more interesting. I fully agree, I'd also suggest a plain-text
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 21:06, Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/17 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net: Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). ... snip ... Please share your opinion, thomasg I really like this proposal. In the past I thought of something similar, but automatically generated by the changelogs. Having this kind of news written by a human is better, in this way You don't have to quote that, I really am human :) you can filter and translate-for-users what happened in the week. Great idea. Massimiliano -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News
On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:54:18 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net said: this is odd... no one has disagreed. very strange... (note - complete thumbs up from me!). i dont see it needs to be exactly weekly- but regularly maybe every few days (1-10 days or so) as long as there is regular news flow. i'm all for it. news is nicely stashed in svn for revision history too :) Hi, in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp. I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing twitter feed can be used for). Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E. As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists, twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for). E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements, because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements. Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said above. I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular information about interesting things (and there are a lot of interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill like daily or per-item based news. If there should be a week with not that much changes it could be temporarily bi-weekly. As I said in the twitter thread: I'd be free to write this if you think it's useful. But even better would be if it could be more collaborative. So we could use the SVN, the Wiki (probably the best way), or if you don't want it there my personal public git (with write access for everyone interested in taking part) to collect all interesting stuff over the week and post it at Sunday evening on E.org and probably as digest on the E-Users ML. Here's how I imagine it: Enlightenment Weekly News 2009/20 = SVN News: - The drawer-module received initial support for composite plugins (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40644) and a winlist plugin (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40666). Sergey Semernin is working hard on E's file manager and it definitely pays off: E_fm2 now has full support for in-place renaming and custom per-directory backgrounds (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40668). There have been a lot more patches from him which are or are not yet in SVN. Community News: --- Gustavo Barbieri is planning to rework the notification (libnotify) module and would like to drop the shelf-gadget of the module. If this feature is important to you, feel free to take part in the discussion on both mailinglists (notification module: how do you use it?). Massimiliano Calamelli started a Twitter-feed about E development. If you're not following the SVN commits (or probably even if) this is a great source for all sort of new stuff in or around E. Inofficial chances to meet E developers: Raster will be on a trip through Europe between may 19th and june 9th. For more information check the ML (berlin/paris/berne... who's around?) - and don't forget to bring your sticks! Gustavo will be at Ubuntu Dev Summit in Barcelona (19-31 May). Don't miss your chance to get your own SPANK SPANK shirt! Please share your opinion, thomasg -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com
