Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2018-03-19 Thread Ross Vandegrift 
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:21:51AM +0900, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> I just did run through my monthly packaging status update and was
> pleased to see that efl 1.20.7 has entered Debian unstable a few days
> back.
> 
> I wanted to take this opportunity to thank Ross for his constant work
> on getting this worked out! :-)

Thanks!  Binary packages aren't actually available yet, we're working
around some breakage in dependencies.  Shouldn't be too long.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2018-03-18 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.


On 11/14/2016 05:59 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
>
> On 11/11/16 14:34, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
>
>> We uploaded to experimental for additional testing opportunity, since
>> Debian contains packages which depend on EFL.  When we're happy with the
>> status, they'll be uploaded to unstable.
>>
>> 3) The packages in experimental break binary compatability with the
>> existing unstable packages.  For instance, you can't use the
>> experimental packages break the terminology packages in unstable.
>>
>> (Why?  The packages in unstable preserve a bit of pre-1.0 eina ABI that
>> was released into Debian many years ago.  That requires disabling magic
>> debug, and in EFL 1.17 tests break with this config.  We decided the
>> eina tests are more valuable than the ancient ABI.)
>>
>> So it's going to take some time - sorry.
> Oki doki. I will wait and hope :)

I just did run through my monthly packaging status update and was pleased to 
see that efl 1.20.7 has entered Debian unstable a few days back.

I wanted to take this opportunity to thank Ross for his constant work on 
getting this worked out! :-)

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Lees 


On 11/12/2016 12:04 AM, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:06:04AM +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> I did my monthly packaging update again and was hoping this moved to 
>> unstable by now. It is still in experimental only as far as I can see. 
>> Is there an automatic way this packages get from experimental to 
>> unstable, testing stable? Or are you supposed to pursue Albin again to 
>> get it uploaded to unstable?
> 
> A few items on the current status:
> 
> 1) All uploads will go through Albin (or some other sponsor).
> 
> While reviewing, Albin had some questions on the internal EFL deps and
> shared symbol versioning.  The packaging produces unusually strict (for
> Debian) dependencies.  We're working through it.
> 
> 2) experimental -> unstable is a manual migration.  Once in unstable,
> packages automatically migrate to testing, and then to the next stable
> release.  Packages are not normally added to existing stable releases.
> 
> We uploaded to experimental for additional testing opportunity, since
> Debian contains packages which depend on EFL.  When we're happy with the
> status, they'll be uploaded to unstable.
> 
> 3) The packages in experimental break binary compatability with the
> existing unstable packages.  For instance, you can't use the
> experimental packages break the terminology packages in unstable.
> 
> (Why?  The packages in unstable preserve a bit of pre-1.0 eina ABI that
> was released into Debian many years ago.  That requires disabling magic
> debug, and in EFL 1.17 tests break with this config.  We decided the
> eina tests are more valuable than the ancient ABI.)
> 
> So it's going to take some time - sorry.
> 
> Ross
> 

I don't know much of how debian builds work, but if you have some build
files somewhere that I can copy, I can probably get debian builds
working on open build service, so that when we do new efl /
enlightenment builds I can check they atleast compile there. If someone
has similar for arch I might be able to set that up as well, I don't
have time to learn the other build formats in detail but if someone has
something thats there and working I can probably integrate it in.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-11-14 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 11/11/16 14:34, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:06:04AM +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> I did my monthly packaging update again and was hoping this moved to
>> unstable by now. It is still in experimental only as far as I can see.
>> Is there an automatic way this packages get from experimental to
>> unstable, testing stable? Or are you supposed to pursue Albin again to
>> get it uploaded to unstable?
>
> A few items on the current status:
>
> 1) All uploads will go through Albin (or some other sponsor).
>
> While reviewing, Albin had some questions on the internal EFL deps and
> shared symbol versioning.  The packaging produces unusually strict (for
> Debian) dependencies.  We're working through it.
>
> 2) experimental -> unstable is a manual migration.  Once in unstable,
> packages automatically migrate to testing, and then to the next stable
> release.  Packages are not normally added to existing stable releases.


Ah, I see. I somehow expected it to be an automatic process from 
experimental to unstable as well. Thus I was wondering why nothing 
happened in one months. If its a manual process that makes more sense.

>
> We uploaded to experimental for additional testing opportunity, since
> Debian contains packages which depend on EFL.  When we're happy with the
> status, they'll be uploaded to unstable.
>
> 3) The packages in experimental break binary compatability with the
> existing unstable packages.  For instance, you can't use the
> experimental packages break the terminology packages in unstable.
>
> (Why?  The packages in unstable preserve a bit of pre-1.0 eina ABI that
> was released into Debian many years ago.  That requires disabling magic
> debug, and in EFL 1.17 tests break with this config.  We decided the
> eina tests are more valuable than the ancient ABI.)
>
> So it's going to take some time - sorry.

Oki doki. I will wait and hope :)

regards
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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-11-11 Thread Ross Vandegrift 
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:06:04AM +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> I did my monthly packaging update again and was hoping this moved to 
> unstable by now. It is still in experimental only as far as I can see. 
> Is there an automatic way this packages get from experimental to 
> unstable, testing stable? Or are you supposed to pursue Albin again to 
> get it uploaded to unstable?

A few items on the current status:

1) All uploads will go through Albin (or some other sponsor).

While reviewing, Albin had some questions on the internal EFL deps and
shared symbol versioning.  The packaging produces unusually strict (for
Debian) dependencies.  We're working through it.

2) experimental -> unstable is a manual migration.  Once in unstable,
packages automatically migrate to testing, and then to the next stable
release.  Packages are not normally added to existing stable releases.

We uploaded to experimental for additional testing opportunity, since
Debian contains packages which depend on EFL.  When we're happy with the
status, they'll be uploaded to unstable.

3) The packages in experimental break binary compatability with the
existing unstable packages.  For instance, you can't use the
experimental packages break the terminology packages in unstable.

(Why?  The packages in unstable preserve a bit of pre-1.0 eina ABI that
was released into Debian many years ago.  That requires disabling magic
debug, and in EFL 1.17 tests break with this config.  We decided the
eina tests are more valuable than the ancient ABI.)

So it's going to take some time - sorry.

Ross

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-11-10 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 14/10/16 15:46, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 09:58:39AM +0200, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily
>> saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental.
>> Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved forward!
>
> Thanks Stefan!

I did my monthly packaging update again and was hoping this moved to 
unstable by now. It is still in experimental only as far as I can see. 
Is there an automatic way this packages get from experimental to 
unstable, testing stable? Or are you supposed to pursue Albin again to 
get it uploaded to unstable?

regards
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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-10-14 Thread The Rasterman 
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:46:02 -0400 Ross Vandegrift  said:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 09:58:39AM +0200, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily 
> > saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental. 
> > Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved forward!
> 
> Thanks Stefan!
> 
> Ross

thanks! finally debian can stop lagging so much and be relatively up to
date! very excellent! :)

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-10-14 Thread Ross Vandegrift 
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 09:58:39AM +0200, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily 
> saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental. 
> Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved forward!

Thanks Stefan!

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-10-14 Thread Al Poole 
Agreed, buy that man a drink !

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Jean Guyomarc'h 
wrote:

> Yes! Nice! Thanks a lot to the people involved :-)
>
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello.
> >
> > On 14/09/16 02:44, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> > > On 09/13/2016 07:07 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > >> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> > >>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > >>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly
> > returning
> > >>> soon.
> > >>
> > >> Soon as in this year?
> > >
> > > Yep, that's what I've heard - of course people's plans change, so who
> > > knows for sure.
> > >
> > >>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
> > >>
> > >> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this
> hope
> > >> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor
> that
> > >> would sponsor your non packager uploads?
> > >
> > > No, I am not a DD or DM.  But I think I could find a sponsor.  I've
> been
> > > waiting for Albin - he's expressed interest to me to be involved, and
> > > I'd like to wait.  But if it doesn't pan out, I don't think it's the
> end
> > > of the road.
> > >
> > > I think your pessimism is fair, but hope to help improve the situation.
> >
> >
> > I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily
> > saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental.
> > Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved
> forward!
> >
> > Lets hope nothing problematic shows up so it can move towards unstable,
> > testing and stable.
> >
> > Thanks again. :)
> >
> > regards
> > Stefan Schmidt
> >
> > 
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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-10-14 Thread Jean Guyomarc'h 
Yes! Nice! Thanks a lot to the people involved :-)

Jean

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On 14/09/16 02:44, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> > On 09/13/2016 07:07 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> >> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> >>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> >>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly
> returning
> >>> soon.
> >>
> >> Soon as in this year?
> >
> > Yep, that's what I've heard - of course people's plans change, so who
> > knows for sure.
> >
> >>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
> >>
> >> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope
> >> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that
> >> would sponsor your non packager uploads?
> >
> > No, I am not a DD or DM.  But I think I could find a sponsor.  I've been
> > waiting for Albin - he's expressed interest to me to be involved, and
> > I'd like to wait.  But if it doesn't pan out, I don't think it's the end
> > of the road.
> >
> > I think your pessimism is fair, but hope to help improve the situation.
>
>
> I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily
> saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental.
> Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved forward!
>
> Lets hope nothing problematic shows up so it can move towards unstable,
> testing and stable.
>
> Thanks again. :)
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
> 
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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-10-14 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 14/09/16 02:44, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 07:07 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
>>> soon.
>>
>> Soon as in this year?
>
> Yep, that's what I've heard - of course people's plans change, so who
> knows for sure.
>
>>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
>>
>> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope
>> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that
>> would sponsor your non packager uploads?
>
> No, I am not a DD or DM.  But I think I could find a sponsor.  I've been
> waiting for Albin - he's expressed interest to me to be involved, and
> I'd like to wait.  But if it doesn't pan out, I don't think it's the end
> of the road.
>
> I think your pessimism is fair, but hope to help improve the situation.


I just did my monthly round to update our packaging status and happily 
saw that your packaging for efl 1.18.1 and e 0.21.2 hit experimental. 
Congrats and thanks for your persistent work on getting this moved forward!

Lets hope nothing problematic shows up so it can move towards unstable, 
testing and stable.

Thanks again. :)

regards
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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-14 Thread Simon Lees 


On 09/14/2016 08:37 AM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>>> I guess you would need to ask the Debian packagers to update or find new
>>> ones wanting to keep up with the work. To me the maintainers seem to be
>>> missing in action and so far everybody stepped up to replace them. Part
>>> of the problem is that interested folks might not be a Debian
>>> maintainers and would need a sponsor. I tried to arrange for this with a
>>> Debian Developer I knew but even for the sponsor its a lot work so it
>>> did not pan out.
>>
>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
>> soon.
> 
> Soon as in this year?
> 
> In the meantime, I've been maintaining updated Debian packaging
>> in the debian/sid branch of:
>>   https://github.com/rvandegrift/efl
>>   https://github.com/rvandegrift/e
>>
>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
> 
> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope 
> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that 
> would sponsor your non packager uploads?
> 
> This all sounds hard, but over the last 3 years I have seen various 
> approaches to make the situation better. None of it succeeded.
> 
>>> If you compare this to other mainstream distros like OpenSUSE or Fedora
>>> which ship really up to date packages I can't really see why our code is
>>> not interesting for debian while it is for other distros. But given how
>>> long we have this situation I think we might have to face it that this
>>> will not change.
>>
>> Hypothesis: E17 on EFL 1.8 might be old, but it's reasonably stable and
>> useful.  So end-users that do not follow EFL development might not
>> know/care about new features.  Those that do probably build from source.
> 
> You think these users do also not care about bug fixes and security 
> fixes? You know many people that are using efl 1.8 and e17 and are happy 
> that Debian does not update to newer versions?
> 
> I find it hard to believe that keeping this versions comes from 
> something else but missing interest or motivation to update the 
> packages. I talk about Debian unstable here and not some years old 
> release. (I have been using Debian SID myself for over 10 years and at 
> that point packages have been updated when new versions came out)
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt

The main problem is that if there's know one within debian doing the
work then the work doesn't get done, and were we to raise a major
security issue and know one is available to do the work or if the
package stops building and know one fixes it, its likely the packages
will just get dropped.

The other thing is that debian has lots of process and picking up debian
packaging isn't simple and easy as has been alluded to I think the only
really decent solution is hunting down a couple of debian devs and
convincing them  that they really want to use enlightenment all the time
once thats done they can do a little of the work and sponsor / help
people like Ross to do the majority of it. Unfortunately this is the
downside to debians development model (the upside being that what gets
packaged is done to a really high standard).

Its great that people like Ross are trying to push this forward so keep
up the good work and if there's anything someone also outside of debian
can help with or you have questions regarding configure flags etc let us
know and we will be happy to help.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-14 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 14/09/16 02:44, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 07:07 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
>>> soon.
>>
>> Soon as in this year?
>
> Yep, that's what I've heard - of course people's plans change, so who
> knows for sure.
>
>>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
>>
>> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope
>> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that
>> would sponsor your non packager uploads?
>
> No, I am not a DD or DM.  But I think I could find a sponsor.  I've been
> waiting for Albin - he's expressed interest to me to be involved, and
> I'd like to wait.  But if it doesn't pan out, I don't think it's the end
> of the road.
>
> I think your pessimism is fair, but hope to help improve the situation.

That would be good :)

>
>>> Hypothesis: E17 on EFL 1.8 might be old, but it's reasonably stable and
>>> useful.  So end-users that do not follow EFL development might not
>>> know/care about new features.  Those that do probably build from source.
>>
>> You think these users do also not care about bug fixes and security
>> fixes? You know many people that are using efl 1.8 and e17 and are happy
>> that Debian does not update to newer versions?
>
> Oh I don't think anyone is happy about it - I haven't been.  But that
> doesn't mean it's been impossible to get by.
>
>  > I talk about Debian unstable here and not some years old
>  > release. (I have been using Debian SID myself for over 10 years and
>  > at that point packages have been updated when new versions came out)
>
> If you have time and interest, I'd be happy to get bug/success reports
> on the packages so far.

I moved my desktops to Fedora a while ago because even with SID I 
sometimes had the problem of missing or outdated packages for a desktop 
experience (not EFL, I compile that myself). I keep running it on a 
headless server. Nothing to test from my side.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-13 Thread Ross Vandegrift 
On 09/13/2016 07:07 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
>> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
>> soon.
>
> Soon as in this year?

Yep, that's what I've heard - of course people's plans change, so who 
knows for sure.

>> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.
>
> I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope
> is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that
> would sponsor your non packager uploads?

No, I am not a DD or DM.  But I think I could find a sponsor.  I've been 
waiting for Albin - he's expressed interest to me to be involved, and 
I'd like to wait.  But if it doesn't pan out, I don't think it's the end 
of the road.

I think your pessimism is fair, but hope to help improve the situation.

>> Hypothesis: E17 on EFL 1.8 might be old, but it's reasonably stable and
>> useful.  So end-users that do not follow EFL development might not
>> know/care about new features.  Those that do probably build from source.
>
> You think these users do also not care about bug fixes and security
> fixes? You know many people that are using efl 1.8 and e17 and are happy
> that Debian does not update to newer versions?

Oh I don't think anyone is happy about it - I haven't been.  But that 
doesn't mean it's been impossible to get by.

 > I talk about Debian unstable here and not some years old
 > release. (I have been using Debian SID myself for over 10 years and
 > at that point packages have been updated when new versions came out)

If you have time and interest, I'd be happy to get bug/success reports 
on the packages so far.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-13 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 14/09/16 00:13, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> I guess you would need to ask the Debian packagers to update or find new
>> ones wanting to keep up with the work. To me the maintainers seem to be
>> missing in action and so far everybody stepped up to replace them. Part
>> of the problem is that interested folks might not be a Debian
>> maintainers and would need a sponsor. I tried to arrange for this with a
>> Debian Developer I knew but even for the sponsor its a lot work so it
>> did not pan out.
>
> The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
> soon.

Soon as in this year?

In the meantime, I've been maintaining updated Debian packaging
> in the debian/sid branch of:
>   https://github.com/rvandegrift/efl
>   https://github.com/rvandegrift/e
>
> Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.

I have seen you mention this before and I wonder how realistic this hope 
is. Are you a Debian Developer or maintainer? Do you have a sponsor that 
would sponsor your non packager uploads?

This all sounds hard, but over the last 3 years I have seen various 
approaches to make the situation better. None of it succeeded.

>> If you compare this to other mainstream distros like OpenSUSE or Fedora
>> which ship really up to date packages I can't really see why our code is
>> not interesting for debian while it is for other distros. But given how
>> long we have this situation I think we might have to face it that this
>> will not change.
>
> Hypothesis: E17 on EFL 1.8 might be old, but it's reasonably stable and
> useful.  So end-users that do not follow EFL development might not
> know/care about new features.  Those that do probably build from source.

You think these users do also not care about bug fixes and security 
fixes? You know many people that are using efl 1.8 and e17 and are happy 
that Debian does not update to newer versions?

I find it hard to believe that keeping this versions comes from 
something else but missing interest or motivation to update the 
packages. I talk about Debian unstable here and not some years old 
release. (I have been using Debian SID myself for over 10 years and at 
that point packages have been updated when new versions came out)

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-13 Thread Ross Vandegrift 
On 09/13/2016 05:58 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> I guess you would need to ask the Debian packagers to update or find new 
> ones wanting to keep up with the work. To me the maintainers seem to be 
> missing in action and so far everybody stepped up to replace them. Part 
> of the problem is that interested folks might not be a Debian 
> maintainers and would need a sponsor. I tried to arrange for this with a 
> Debian Developer I knew but even for the sponsor its a lot work so it 
> did not pan out.

The current Debian maintainer has been missing, but supposedly returning
soon.  In the meantime, I've been maintaining updated Debian packaging
in the debian/sid branch of:
  https://github.com/rvandegrift/efl
  https://github.com/rvandegrift/e

Soon, I hope we'll be able to get these into the archive.

> If you compare this to other mainstream distros like OpenSUSE or Fedora 
> which ship really up to date packages I can't really see why our code is 
> not interesting for debian while it is for other distros. But given how 
> long we have this situation I think we might have to face it that this 
> will not change.

Hypothesis: E17 on EFL 1.8 might be old, but it's reasonably stable and
useful.  So end-users that do not follow EFL development might not
know/care about new features.  Those that do probably build from source.

Ross

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Re: [E-devel] EFL packaging on Debian

2016-09-13 Thread Stefan Schmidt 
Hello.

On 13/09/16 23:39, Jean Guyomarc'h wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> OSX has a better packaging status than Debian (1.14 vs 1.8), and
> hopefully, OSX will soon ship 1.18. So, I wonder, what's going on with
> the debian package?
>
> I can see on the Debian tracker (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/efl)
> that the 1.18 release has be noted, and that an "action is needed"
> with criticity "high".
>
> Do we have plans to upgrade the Debian packages? I think it would be
> nice if we could upgrade the EFL package (maybe E as well). It may be
> too late for Jessie (8.x), but it seems the shot window for Stretch is
> still open.

I guess you would need to ask the Debian packagers to update or find new 
ones wanting to keep up with the work. To me the maintainers seem to be 
missing in action and so far everybody stepped up to replace them. Part 
of the problem is that interested folks might not be a Debian 
maintainers and would need a sponsor. I tried to arrange for this with a 
Debian Developer I knew but even for the sponsor its a lot work so it 
did not pan out.

I just updated or packaging status wiki page and Debian (and inherited 
from it Ubuntu) is by far the worst case  in terms of still shipping a 3 
years old release while we have done 10 new ones in between. And no, I 
do not talk about a Debian release but even Debian unstable.

https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/packaging_status/

If you compare this to other mainstream distros like OpenSUSE or Fedora 
which ship really up to date packages I can't really see why our code is 
not interesting for debian while it is for other distros. But given how 
long we have this situation I think we might have to face it that this 
will not change.

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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