Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 31/08/2006 00:52, scrisse: can you tell me what version of freetype you do use? here I have freetype-2.1.9 installed. 2.2.1 here. i THINK 2.1.9 was one of the buggy releases from memory too - especially the bytecode hint handling. it made the e chars (how nice of them) fuzzy in bistream vera :) just installed 2.2.1 and now it's much better :) also I found that there was a freetype installation in /usr/lib which was shipped with the xorg package (althogh e was using my installation in /usr/local). now I removed the one in /usr/lib (which wasn't compled with bytecode hinting) and all my application displays better :) -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 30/08/2006 01:03, scrisse: see these images: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-bytecode.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-auto.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-none.png that is what you should see for each hinting mode. auto and none looks exactly as I see them here, bytecode is the best result on your side but the worst on my side :( if you don't there is something wrong with your freetype build or freetype itself. i have seen before that there have been bugs in some versions of freetype regarding hints. can you tell me what version of freetype you do use? here I have freetype-2.1.9 installed. -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:00:47 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 30/08/2006 01:03, scrisse: see these images: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-bytecode.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-auto.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-none.png that is what you should see for each hinting mode. auto and none looks exactly as I see them here, bytecode is the best result on your side but the worst on my side :( if you don't there is something wrong with your freetype build or freetype itself. i have seen before that there have been bugs in some versions of freetype regarding hints. can you tell me what version of freetype you do use? here I have freetype-2.1.9 installed. 2.2.1 here. i THINK 2.1.9 was one of the buggy releases from memory too - especially the bytecode hint handling. it made the e chars (how nice of them) fuzzy in bistream vera :) -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
[EMAIL PROTECTED], il 28/08/2006 21:59, scrisse: I opened veramono.ttf with fontforge (a font editor) and it looks like all its chars are indeed of the same size (1233). I don't understand why it moves the string when displaying the number 3 :-? Vera Mono works fine here. What Hinting mode are you using? (configuration fonts hinting) Using Bytecode here, and all characters display at the same width. I was using automatic because it's the only hinting mode which display fine on my desktop (both bytecode and no hinting looks ugly here). indeed with bytecode the string doesn't move, while with no hinting the string moves when displying the number 1. so should I live with that (or change the format string to not display seconds)? can I do something to make bytecode looks better (e.g. some options to recompile freetype)? -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:24:26 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: [EMAIL PROTECTED], il 28/08/2006 21:59, scrisse: I opened veramono.ttf with fontforge (a font editor) and it looks like all its chars are indeed of the same size (1233). I don't understand why it moves the string when displaying the number 3 :-? Vera Mono works fine here. What Hinting mode are you using? (configuration fonts hinting) Using Bytecode here, and all characters display at the same width. I was using automatic because it's the only hinting mode which display fine on my desktop (both bytecode and no hinting looks ugly here). indeed with bytecode the string doesn't move, while with no hinting the string moves when displying the number 1. so should I live with that (or change the format string to not display seconds)? can I do something to make bytecode looks better (e.g. some options to recompile freetype)? yes. your distribution policy has turned off bytecode hinting (this is also the best quality rendering with ttf fonts too as they were designed to allow hinting to produce perfect outlines on pixel displays). this is done because apple holds a patent on this technology and will not allow freetype or open software to use it royalty-free (apple simply have not said anything - not yes, not no, just nothing, last i checked, so this means that using the technology COULD mean that apple will sue - but you don't know because they will not take a stand on it). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 29/08/2006 13:19, scrisse: can I do something to make bytecode looks better (e.g. some options to recompile freetype)? yes. your distribution policy has turned off bytecode hinting (this is also the best quality rendering with ttf fonts too as they were designed to allow hinting to produce perfect outlines on pixel displays). no, the package I'm currently using was not build by my distribution (slackware 10.0). some time ago I had bytecode option greyed out in the font configuration dialog, so I rebuilt freetype enabling the bytecode interpreter and bytecode has become a selectable option. after that i tried to use bytecode hinting, but it didn't produce an acceptable look to me. with bytecode enabled all my fonts looks blurry, with auto hinting I get the best result. at this moment I'm playing with the font settings, and I'm seeing that increasing the size of displayed font (from the default 10.0 to 11.0) makes bytecode hinting looks much better. now, with bytecode hinting, the text of tclock doesn't move anymore when displaying the number 3... it moves when displaying the number 4... arghh!! :°( -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Massimo Maiurana, il 29/08/2006 17:09, scrisse: now, with bytecode hinting, the text of tclock doesn't move anymore when displaying the number 3... it moves when displaying the number 4... arghh!! :°( no, wait!... restarting E the text doesn't move anymore :) -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:09:01 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 29/08/2006 13:19, scrisse: can I do something to make bytecode looks better (e.g. some options to recompile freetype)? yes. your distribution policy has turned off bytecode hinting (this is also the best quality rendering with ttf fonts too as they were designed to allow hinting to produce perfect outlines on pixel displays). no, the package I'm currently using was not build by my distribution (slackware 10.0). some time ago I had bytecode option greyed out in the font configuration dialog, so I rebuilt freetype enabling the bytecode interpreter and bytecode has become a selectable option. after that i tried to use bytecode hinting, but it didn't produce an acceptable look to me. with bytecode enabled all my fonts looks blurry, with auto hinting I get the best result. http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-bytecode.png thats what it should look like - with bytecode hinting. something is wrong with your freetype. NB - i disabled the detecting of can freetype do bytecode hinting etc. because many distributions had broken freetype headers that say freetype can't do it, when it can, for example (or vice-versa). see these images: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-bytecode.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-auto.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-hinting-none.png that is what you should see for each hinting mode. if you don't there is something wrong with your freetype build or freetype itself. i have seen before that there have been bugs in some versions of freetype regarding hints. at this moment I'm playing with the font settings, and I'm seeing that increasing the size of displayed font (from the default 10.0 to 11.0) makes bytecode hinting looks much better. now, with bytecode hinting, the text of tclock doesn't move anymore when displaying the number 3... it moves when displaying the number 4... arghh!! :°( -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:08:13PM +0200, Massimo Maiurana wrote: Massimo Maiurana, il 27/08/2006 10:12, scrisse: on a side note, I see that when the hour displayed by tclock ends with a 3 (e.g. 10:10:53) the text shifts a little to the right, as if the character for the number 3 was narrower than the others. does anybody seen this too? I tried to use other monospace fonts for tclock but every font makes tclock move the string a little bit at least when diplaying a certain character. I opened veramono.ttf with fontforge (a font editor) and it looks like all its chars are indeed of the same size (1233). I don't understand why it moves the string when displaying the number 3 :-? Vera Mono works fine here. What Hinting mode are you using? (configuration fonts hinting) Using Bytecode here, and all characters display at the same width. rephorm -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libert? degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Massimo Maiurana, il 26/08/2006 21:59, scrisse: I even tried to restart E without any luck. I'll try to shutdown X and restart to see what happens. ok, I tried to shutdown X and restart, but nothing changed. I then tried to exit from E, manually nuke my config and (sigh) restore my usual config by hand... nothing changed. even worst, now I notice that while some modules get removed from the shelf in place of the one listed below them, some others modules can't be removed at all... I tried to remove clock from the shelf but, even if when I click on remove gadget the shelf blinks, the module don't go away and I had to unload it. on a side note, I see that when the hour displayed by tclock ends with a 3 (e.g. 10:10:53) the text shifts a little to the right, as if the character for the number 3 was narrower than the others. does anybody seen this too? -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Hmmm, Works well for me. The problem is that you may have too old config. There were several commits recently that needs to nuke your config. Try to do this. I hope this will help. On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:24:49PM +0200, Massimo Maiurana wrote: I recompiled all of e17 yesterday, and now I notice a strange behaviour when I configure shelf contents. if I want to remove a module from the shelf, whatever module I select in the dialog E will remove the one listed above. for example, let's assume modules are listed this way: - pager - ibar - clock - start well, if I choose to remove clock from the shelf E will actually remove ibar instead. if I really want to remove clock I have to select start. -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libert? degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Aleksej Struk Master Degree Student Free University of Bozen-Bolzano Faculty of Computer Science phone: +39-0471-061749 cell phone: +39-3204627049 +370-61278908 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://astruk.googlepages.com/home - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
Aleksej Struk, il 26/08/2006 23:32, scrisse: Hmmm, Works well for me. The problem is that you may have too old config. There were several commits recently that needs to nuke your config. uhmm, no. at the first start E has already wiped out my old config because the version number was increased by raster. actually that's what led me to notice this issue: I was restoring my previous configuration (and so the shelf contents) by hand :) I even tried to restart E without any luck. I'll try to shutdown X and restart to see what happens. -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] shelf contents
I noted EXACTLY the same problem this afternoon with an up to date e17 and a fresh config. Aleksej Struk wrote: Hmmm, Works well for me. The problem is that you may have too old config. There were several commits recently that needs to nuke your config. Try to do this. I hope this will help. On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:24:49PM +0200, Massimo Maiurana wrote: I recompiled all of e17 yesterday, and now I notice a strange behaviour when I configure shelf contents. if I want to remove a module from the shelf, whatever module I select in the dialog E will remove the one listed above. for example, let's assume modules are listed this way: - pager - ibar - clock - start well, if I choose to remove clock from the shelf E will actually remove ibar instead. if I really want to remove clock I have to select start. -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libert? degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Valéry Febvre E a s t e r - E g g s Spécialiste GNU/Linux 44-46 rue de l'Ouest75014 ParisFrance - Métro Gaité Phone: +33 (0) 1 43 35 00 37 Fax: +33 (0) 1 43 35 00 76 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.easter-eggs.com GPG: 3F30 75E3 39C2 3725 A8A2 5B88 8E3D DF72 033A 953A - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
