[e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread Скворцов Никита
 Good day!

 I was wondering, if anybody is using E17 with OpenGL rendering engine
as default? Is it stable in any way? At least workable? =)

_

 Best whishes, Kit


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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment - FreeBSD 4.10 problem

2006-01-30 Thread Gopalarathnam Venkatesan
On 1/14/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  They didn't mention the version of FreeBSD though ;-)

 i've added a %a format check to eet's configure.in - it will bitch before u 
 get
 to compile eet (actually simply refuse to compile) if your os doesnt support 
 it
 - so u'll know for sure if u update from cvs.

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Hi:

Is there a way I can workaround this?  I'm trying out various options
like vstr library, trio, etc, but can't get through :(

Has anybody succeeded in getting E17 to work on FreeBSD 4.x?

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:41:48 +1100 Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Скворцов Никита wrote:
 
  Good day!
 
  I was wondering, if anybody is using E17 with OpenGL rendering engine
 as default? Is it stable in any way? At least workable? =)
   
 
 It's not ready yet.
 Rest assured there will be plenty of discussion on the topic when it is 
 ready :)

it never will be. move on. next.

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread Geoffrey
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:41:48 +1100 Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
 
Скворцов Никита wrote:


Good day!

I was wondering, if anybody is using E17 with OpenGL rendering engine
as default? Is it stable in any way? At least workable? =)
 


It's not ready yet.
Rest assured there will be plenty of discussion on the topic when it is 
ready :)
 
 
 it never will be. move on. next.

Ah, so the discussion has already started! :)

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread Florent Thiery

Geoffrey a écrit :


Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 


On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:41:48 +1100 Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:


   


Скворцов Никита wrote:


 


Good day!

I was wondering, if anybody is using E17 with OpenGL rendering engine
as default? Is it stable in any way? At least workable? =)


   


It's not ready yet.
Rest assured there will be plenty of discussion on the topic when it is 
ready :)
 


it never will be. move on. next.
   



Ah, so the discussion has already started! :)

 

Yup :) How far is the implementation of Hardware/Software OpenGL 
rendering? Of course the most interesting part of it would be the 
hardware opengl. I must say that DR17 is a performance-eater, except if 
you cut off lots of effects... Which is sad. I got 1,3 Ghz Banias, and i 
can't stand the unresponsiveness while working at 600 Mhz


FL:o


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[e-users] patch for entrance problem

2006-01-30 Thread Gerald Dachs
Hi,

at the end of this mail you can find a patch that fixed the problem I mentioned 
in my
previous mail.

I want to use the chance to say thank you to everyone that has helped to find 
the
problem. My thank you goes to ... oh nobody has helped me ... so thank you
Gerald.

Gerald

--- evas/src/lib/file/evas_module.c.orig2006-01-30 08:54:50.0 
+0100
+++ evas/src/lib/file/evas_module.c 2006-01-30 08:56:53.0 +0100
@@ -53,15 +53,17 @@
Evas_List *paths = NULL;

/* 1. ~/.evas/modules/ */
-   prefix = getenv(HOME);
-   path = malloc(strlen(prefix) + 1 + strlen(/.evas/modules));
-   path[0] = 0;
-   strcpy(path, prefix);
-   strcat(path, /.evas/modules);
-   if (evas_file_path_exists(path))
- paths = evas_list_append(paths,path);
-   else
- free(path);
+   if ((prefix = getenv(HOME)) != NULL)
+   {
+ path = malloc(strlen(prefix) + 1 + strlen(/.evas/modules));
+ path[0] = 0;
+ strcpy(path, prefix);
+ strcat(path, /.evas/modules);
+ if (evas_file_path_exists(path))
+   paths = evas_list_append(paths,path);
+ else
+   free(path);
+   }

 #ifdef HAVE_DLADDR
  {


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Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?

2006-01-30 Thread Evan Monroig
On Jan.30 19h35, Bradley Reed wrote :
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:28:22 -0500
 Michael Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  All
  
  Can anyone tell me (or point to a reference) on how to get E16 to run
  a script on startup (and on shutdown if possible).
  
 
 The README-0.16.8 file in /e16/e/docs/ (from cvs) explains how to use
 session scripts. 
 
 but in short, make the directories:
 
 $HOME/.e16/Init
 $HOME/.e16/Start
 $HOME/.e16/Stop
 
 Any executable scripts in these directories will be run when e16
 starts, restarts, and shuts down.

Great ! Thanks, I wanted to know this, too :)

Evan


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Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?

2006-01-30 Thread Michael Hughes

Evan et al

 $HOME/.e16/Init
 $HOME/.e16/Start
 $HOME/.e16/Stop

Note that this is new for 0.16.8.  It does not work with 0.16.7 (which I 
am using).  It looks like getting my personal theme moved over to 0.16.8 
may be a major headache.  If so, I may just go to E17.


Mike


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Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?

2006-01-30 Thread Geoffrey

Michael Hughes wrote:

Evan et al

  $HOME/.e16/Init
  $HOME/.e16/Start
  $HOME/.e16/Stop

Note that this is new for 0.16.8.  It does not work with 0.16.7 (which I 
am using).  It looks like getting my personal theme moved over to 0.16.8 
may be a major headache.  If so, I may just go to E17.


Dive on in the water's great!

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:37:40 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Yup :) How far is the implementation of Hardware/Software OpenGL 
 rendering? Of course the most interesting part of it would be the 
 hardware opengl. I must say that DR17 is a performance-eater, except if 
 you cut off lots of effects... Which is sad. I got 1,3 Ghz Banias, and i 
 can't stand the unresponsiveness while working at 600 Mhz

it works like a charom on my 1ghz pentium-m even when it clocks down to 600mhz
to save battery. i don't see whatt hey problem is? i dont see it being
unresponsive ever - UNLESS the disk has spun down and needs to spin up to read
data - that's a matter of e paging everything off disk as much as possible (to
save memory) and really relying on disk cache from there on in to keep it at a
moments access away.

opengl wont happen. 1. it cannto do shaped masks sanely. to do this we'd need a
gl frontbuffer with alpha (can do) then a way to read just the alpha convert to
a mask, and punt back as a shape - the problem coems with reading the alpha
pixels. glReadPixels() is about the same speed as contiental drift in my
experience. every driver i have ever played with goes through one of the
slowest paths possible reading pixals to client memory because its not
considered an important thing to accelerate as it not only has to read pixels
off card to system ram, it also is just not used much as this alone has
inherent slowdowns. also gl requires TONNES of video ram - every window with gl
in it will rEQUIRE the equivalent of its size in video ram IN ADDITION to all
images in the textures. every client window (every xterm, mailer window,
firefox whatever) will need its dimentions in video ram. ok- lets stake an
example. we have a web browser 1000x1000 pixels, now 20 xterms each 500x300
pixels, another set of windows (miscellanous ones) with a total surfacfe area
of lets say another 1000x1000 pixels. now the desktop bg (1600x1200) this woudl
be 19Mb of video ram gone. this doesnt include the source textures (likely
another few mb). basically every gl window will REQUIRE a backbuffer if we
likely it or not as rendering to afrontbuffer is just not sane. this doesn't
include the other problems with gl - like big drosp in performance due to fat
lock contention between the xserer and the wm sicne gl goes via direct
rendering. if u are doing combinations of 2d and 3d u will see things stutter
and jerk.

so - forget it. the gl engine also can't handle multiple contexts correctly atm
(ie more than 1 gl window) and share textures between them - i tried to make it
wokr in theory but it seesm to have issues and frankly - i have neither the
time nor inclination to fix it - so this alone bars it from ever working.

now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion
every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the
engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl
drivers - or accept what u get.

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[e-users] exebuf?

2006-01-30 Thread roland

Preytell what is exebuf ?

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread David Seikel
OpenGL?  Just say NO!

Think I'll have a good look at the FAO and see if it is adequate.


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Re: [e-users] How do you make the pager wrap?

2006-01-30 Thread David Wuertele
Martin you should be able to change it using the
Martin 'enlightenment_remote' features of key-bindings. Just look at
Martin the way ctrl-alt-arrow works, as it wrappes around the pager,
Martin which shift-alt-arrow as you mentioned doesn't.

Oooh, it is SOOO CLOSE!

I rebound SHIFT|ALT|Left to desk_linear_flip_by -1 and now it wraps
from left to right, but it wraps to the previous line.

I'm hoping to get this to wrap from left to right on the same line,
the way the Enlightenment-16 pager does.  Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: [e-users] exebuf?

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:41:04 -0500 roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Preytell what is exebuf ?

its a 1 line executor.

hit alt+secape to activate (by default).

how type in the name of an application or executable. you can use
tab-completion to complete along the way. above and below appear possible
matches (and other funky matchings based on descriptions and comments of
applications installed). u can hit up/down arrow to select a listed match
(above are apps in the .eap db and below are raw command-line executables that
are found, with an icon if they match an eap application). hit enter to select
and execute (and the box pops down). hit escape to abort.

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[e-users] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
Ok - sorry for being a bit quiet. I've had the flu and have been out of any
energy to do anything over the last 4 days or so.

I've let this thread move along and see what people have to say. It seems there
is sufficient support to make this happen - and since we have bandwidth and
hosting provided for - the only burden on us is getting hardware together. ok -
i've taken a stab at it here are 2 examples (Taken from dell because its easy
to select things and geta  price immediately):

PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDR
RAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standard
next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744

PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI Raid
Controller, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard next
business day on site warranty support (nothing special)  = $4272

This is a SAMPLE. I personally would take the first option - cheaper, likely
overall the same spee (depends what u are doing though). ie faster memory bus,
but less l2 cache, but a tiny bit more ghz. 7200v1rpm - etc.

anyway - do other peolp eant to investigate options elsewhere?

NB: to people offering i have a raid controller you can use or i may have a
spare cpu - that's great - thanks, but really impractical. everyone will need
to pack aup the hw - send it somewhere to be built, then there is no warranty
or easy replacements later down the line - and hassles of things like car no
the right form factor for the case or other issues you have when dealing with
hw building. it'as simply easier and faster to just order it all together from
somewhere like Dell, HP, Sun, etc. and then we know we get new HW that comes
with warranty (in Dell's case 3 years - ys it breaks sometimes, but they DO
come and fix it - on site. I have had them fix my laptop motherboard twice in 3
years - next day on site, no hassles).

Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of
about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping and
handling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we
need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. or
whatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with a
pleasant surprise)

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Re: [e-users] pager is showing iconified windows

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:08:26 +0100 Gabriel Rossetti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Mine does it too, it's really annoying, it has been doing that for a while
 now, I'd even say for months... Gabriel
 
 Jason Edson wrote: My pager shows thesame thing. If I have a window then
 minimize it the pager still shows it. It's been that way for me since the
 module configuration dialog showed up. I've been rebuilding everyday from
 thinktux.net for about a week. I'm going to rebuild right now and I will
 report agian if it's fixed.

i don't see iconified windows in my pager either. i can't reproduce this.

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Re: [e-users] XIM doesn't work in e17

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:34:21 +0900 (JST) Yasufumi Haga
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hello
 
 I upgraded all EFL and e17 this morning (Jan. 14), and I've
 noticed just now that XIM doesn't work in e17.
 More precisely, I can't input Japanese via XIM on apps like
 mozilla, xchat, etc. while I can do it on kterm (Kanji terminal
 emulator). XIM works fine on those apps in e16.
 Restarting e17 doesn't help. Rebooting my system doesn't help,
 either.

is it still borken? this soundts like gtk apps are not honoring xim stuff for
some reason - ie environemtn variables inherited are being ignored? btw - for
me this works just fine. at the top of my .xsession file i have: export
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8 export XMODIFIERS=@im=kinput2

yes - weird, but it works well :) (you can just change the lang for yourself of
course!)

 Any help is appreciated.
 
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Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:45:04 + Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 
 Hello,
 
   where supposed to get deleted had not been.
  
   thats not the cvs mirror :)
  
  haha. well why not use subversion?
 
 
 svn is the better alternative probably, i agree. Though the problem here is
 that sourceforge is (still) using cvs and i assume that 90% of the people
 programming are still used to it.

it absoultely is NOT a better alternative. upstream dev repositories are cvs.
having to manage a DIFFERENt repository system as a mirror is asking for
trouble.

   well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made
  whevere cvs
   is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use
   it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the
   latest. :/
  
   That might be partially the fault of install scripts...
  
  I agree. I even wrote my own script for such a purpose. It's much
  easier to run a script that takes care of downloading, updating,
  compiling, and installing all in one shot. Just run the script and
  you're done. And I only update about once every 2 weeks or so.
  
 
 Guess that's a good time window.
 
  Is there a way to have the script download the tarballs (I'm still
  pretty new to the shell and scripts)? And is everything in those
  tarballs? It seems like the cvs has a lot more applications and libs
  than just those 14 tarballs.
 
 you could probably download using 'wget' or 'curl' (which one you like
 better). Both are commandline fetching tools, just paste em the url and they
 will happily fetch it. They can even fetch whole websites so better read the
 manpages first before you actually implement using them.
 
 
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Re: [e-users] Disappearing icons

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:51:07 +1030 Lachlan Gunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hi,
 I'm using E17, but as of late I have found that newly-added icons will
 disappear after a restart.  Space for them is allocated, but nothing
 appears in the space (although it is still responsive to mouse clicks.
  A screenshot showing this is at http://users.on.net/~flynne/ibar.png.
  Has anyone else come across this problem before?

There is somethnig up with the eap cache files and their generation and
consistancy checks. i am mulling over different ways to tackle all of this
right now.

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Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:44:53 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Daniel Kasak wrote:
  Pascal Schwarz wrote:
  
  We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server.
   
 
  Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily 
  cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? This is for re-compilers only 
  - of course developers still need a cvs server.
 
 My thinking as well (see my previous post on bittorrent/cvs)  I'd give 
 up my cvs access in order to reduce the load on the cvs server for the 
 sake of the developers.

that might work - though i think we will need a lot more users to make it
really work right. u will still have cvs junkies.

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Re: [e-users] How do you make the pager wrap?

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:42:40 -0800 David Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Martin you should be able to change it using the
 Martin 'enlightenment_remote' features of key-bindings. Just look at
 Martin the way ctrl-alt-arrow works, as it wrappes around the pager,
 Martin which shift-alt-arrow as you mentioned doesn't.
 
 Oooh, it is SOOO CLOSE!
 
 I rebound SHIFT|ALT|Left to desk_linear_flip_by -1 and now it wraps
 from left to right, but it wraps to the previous line.
 
 I'm hoping to get this to wrap from left to right on the same line,
 the way the Enlightenment-16 pager does.  Any suggestions?
 
 Thanks!

you can't - e17 has no wraparound for the thing u want like 16 did. it's
limited to the array bounds with no option for wrap around. yes u are going to
ask for it as an option - no plans. we have enouhg stuff to do for now. 

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Re: [e-users] Hidden Desktop

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:57:02 +0100 Oliver Pahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hi,
 
 Do you think its possible to create something like a hidden Desktop,
 only reachable by a keycombo, but not visible in the Tray? I`d like one
 of these to hold my not so frequently used apps there :) Do you think
 its possible?

it is possible with enough code. sure. it isn't going to happen as it's not on
the TODO list for e17. u will either need to do it yourself and send a patch,
or wait until e18 and when we are open for feature requests then.

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Re: [e-users] Amazing!

2006-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:20:59 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:54:52 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:31:04 +0100 Christian Walther
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   The AppDirs I know are pretty simple, firstly there is a file
   called .DirIcon which contains a small Icon that is displayed
   instead of a simple Directory-Icon. Upon double click this
   directory is scanned for an executable file called AppRun. If it
   doesn't exist, the directory is just opened like any other normal
   directory, if it exists the file is executed instead.
   Any drag'n'drop operation to this directory will execute AppRun too,
   but will give the pathname of the dragged item as argument.
   Optionally there is an AppInfo.xml found in such a directory that
   can be used to display information about the app, such as author,
   version number, homepage and a very short description...
  
  ok- but where's an EXAMPLE? like a package that uses it? even a brief
  spec?
 
 ROX-filer is a package that uses it.  There is also 0-install that goes
 with ROX-filer, a very interesting combination.

hmm - very unconventional - ok. but i don't see us supporting this any time
soon - as well,. basic file browsing and managemtrn is still borken. i wouldnt
even think this will make it for e17 - maybe e18 or e19.

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Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering

2006-01-30 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:45:43 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:47:04 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  OpenGL?  Just say NO!
  
  Think I'll have a good look at the FAO and see if it is adequate.
 
 you assume people read faq's :)

I assume that you and I can scream RTFF! at people, then ignore them
for a bit.  B-)

 and i perused the e17 faq - nothing there about opengl and e17 :)

Guess that's a not adequate then.


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Re: [e-users] pager is showing iconified windows

2006-01-30 Thread Chad Kittel
Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Rasterman) [Tue, 31 Jan
2006 11:11:38 +0900]:
 On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:08:26 +0100 Gabriel Rossetti
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Mine does it too, it's really annoying, it has been doing that for
  a while now, I'd even say for months... Gabriel
  
  Jason Edson wrote: My pager shows thesame thing. If I have a window
  then minimize it the pager still shows it. It's been that way for
  me since the module configuration dialog showed up. I've been
  rebuilding everyday from thinktux.net for about a week. I'm going
  to rebuild right now and I will report agian if it's fixed.
 
 i don't see iconified windows in my pager either. i can't reproduce
 this.
 

Only time I have experienced a ghost image in the pager is when I have
gaim open, switch to a desktop that doesn't have gaim on it, use the
gaim tray icon to minimize it to the tray.  The pager does not
update to reflect the fact that gaim is now completely off screen.  Even
flipping back to the desktop gaim was on, the pager on still shows the
window is visible on screen even though I can't see it any more.  Maybe
this is an alltogether different issue?

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Re: [e-users] pager is showing iconified windows

2006-01-30 Thread Anders Troback
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:53:07 -0600
Chad Kittel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Rasterman) [Tue, 31 Jan
 2006 11:11:38 +0900]:
  On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:08:26 +0100 Gabriel Rossetti
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   Mine does it too, it's really annoying, it has been doing that for
   a while now, I'd even say for months... Gabriel
   
   Jason Edson wrote: My pager shows thesame thing. If I have a
   window then minimize it the pager still shows it. It's been that
   way for me since the module configuration dialog showed up. I've
   been rebuilding everyday from thinktux.net for about a week. I'm
   going to rebuild right now and I will report agian if it's fixed.
  
  i don't see iconified windows in my pager either. i can't reproduce
  this.
  
 
 Only time I have experienced a ghost image in the pager is when I have
 gaim open, switch to a desktop that doesn't have gaim on it, use the
 gaim tray icon to minimize it to the tray.  The pager does not
 update to reflect the fact that gaim is now completely off screen.
 Even flipping back to the desktop gaim was on, the pager on still
 shows the window is visible on screen even though I can't see it any
 more.  Maybe this is an alltogether different issue?
 

When I was running Engage I had some problems with ghosts! Are you
running Engage when this problem appears? If you are, try disable the
module!

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Re: [e-users] pager is showing iconified windows

2006-01-30 Thread Chad Kittel
Anders Troback [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:12:17
+0100]:
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:53:07 -0600
 Chad Kittel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Only time I have experienced a ghost image in the pager is when I
  have gaim open, switch to a desktop that doesn't have gaim on it,
  use the gaim tray icon to minimize it to the tray.  The pager
  does not update to reflect the fact that gaim is now completely off
  screen. Even flipping back to the desktop gaim was on, the pager on
  still shows the window is visible on screen even though I can't see
  it any more.  Maybe this is an alltogether different issue?
  
 
 When I was running Engage I had some problems with ghosts! Are you
 running Engage when this problem appears? If you are, try disable the
 module!
 
 \\troback

negative, I havn't run with engage in months.  Thank you though.  I'm
assuming it's a more generic error than what application is acting as
the system tray.

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Re: [e-users] pager is showing iconified windows

2006-01-30 Thread Morten Nilsen

Chad Kittel wrote:

Only time I have experienced a ghost image in the pager is when I
have gaim open, switch to a desktop that doesn't have gaim on it,
use the gaim tray icon to minimize it to the tray.  The pager
does not update to reflect the fact that gaim is now completely off
screen. Even flipping back to the desktop gaim was on, the pager on
still shows the window is visible on screen even though I can't see
it any more.  Maybe this is an alltogether different issue?


When I was running Engage I had some problems with ghosts! Are you
running Engage when this problem appears? If you are, try disable the
module!


negative, I havn't run with engage in months.  Thank you though.  I'm
assuming it's a more generic error than what application is acting as
the system tray.



I can confirm this using itray (don't like engage)

The ghost is an actual dead window, and not just in the pager.. have to 
click a few times on the gaim icon to get rid of it once I switch back.


It does indeed seem related to something generic, and not the actual 
tray icon.. I've seen the bug with xine's UI (g key) once .. I just 
didn't think it was an e bug, and I never saw it again.


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Re: [e-users] XIM doesn't work in e17

2006-01-30 Thread Yasufumi Haga
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:14:15 +0900,
   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:34:21 +0900 (JST) Yasufumi Haga
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
|
|  Hello
| 
|  I upgraded all EFL and e17 this morning (Jan. 14), and I've
|  noticed just now that XIM doesn't work in e17.
|  More precisely, I can't input Japanese via XIM on apps like
|  mozilla, xchat, etc. while I can do it on kterm (Kanji terminal
|  emulator). XIM works fine on those apps in e16.
|  Restarting e17 doesn't help. Rebooting my system doesn't help,
|  either.
|
| is it still borken? this soundts like gtk apps are not honoring xim stuff for
| some reason - ie environemtn variables inherited are being ignored? btw - for
| me this works just fine. at the top of my .xsession file i have: export
| LANG=en_US.UTF-8 export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8 export XMODIFIERS=@im=kinput2
|
| yes - weird, but it works well :) (you can just change the lang for yourself 
of
| course!)

Thanks a lot for your reply.
After posting the previous mail for this problem, I tried
various things to solve the problem. I finally found what
caused the xim failure.

I had upgraded e17 before occuring the problem, and then
I executed enlightenment_remote -lang-set command with
an argument:

  ja_JP.UTF8

to set up Japanese environment. This argument caused the
xim failure. It should correctly be ja_JP.UTF-8, but I
actually used ja_JP.UTF8 as a value of the argument.
Even if I used the wrong value as an argument of -lang-set,
the menu from the root window, for example, was normally
shown in Japanese. This made me consider the environment
normal. But actually xim didn't work. So I felt it weird.
This problem was solved by specifying the correct value
ja_JP.UTF-8.

In other words, -lang-set doesn't complain at all if the
argument is wrong, and the command with the wrong argument
sets up PARTIALLY normal language environment for me.

There is another one. -lang-list now shows a list
containing available langs such as ja for Japanese. But
if I use ja as an argument of -lang-set, my desktop is
still English environment. It doesn't change my desktop
from English to Japanese. I still(?) need to use ja_JP.UTF-8
as a value of -lang-set to set up Japanese desktop.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Regards.


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