Re: [e-users] Problem with battery, or battery gadget?
On 18/02/2014 01:35, Mick wrote: Why, Dell's finest Korean battery suppliers of course! ;-) *-battery product: SDI vendor: SDI physical id: 1 slot: System Battery Bay capacity: 78000mWh configuration: voltage=11.1V Dell don't make 'em like they used to :-( Portable Battery Location: Sys. Battery Bay Manufacturer: Sanyo Manufacture Date: 12/02/2013 Serial Number: 04DC Name: DELL 6R1V83C Design Capacity: 57720 mWh Design Voltage: 11100 mV SBDS Version: 1.0 Maximum Error: 0% SBDS Chemistry: LION OEM-specific Information: 0x0801 2-3 years is now the average we see around here. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:36:13 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: On 18.02.2014 15:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:01:22 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: Hi Cedric! On 18.02.2014 10:51, Cedric BAIL wrote: [...] So you did destroy ~/.cache/efreet/ ? Did you try to manually run efreet_desktop_cache_create afterward (can be found in /usr/lib/efreet/v-1.9/) ? I saw that problem once in the past week, and Carsten to, but it did vanish after a rebuild and restart of E. So I am currently lacking a clue of what is going on here. Just to be sure I redid this. Logged out of E, deleted the efreet cache directory from my text console, executed efreet_desktop_cache_create (the only output I got was the single char 'c'), and restarted X and E. Result: Menu icons still missing and as a bonus now also the icons for my iceweasel and icedove windows are missing (not even replaced by the question mark icon). do you even have an application icon theme selected (settings-look-application theme-icons) ? That's an excellent point. My Icons theme list is empty. I have, however, the gnome-icon-theme deb package installed. What am I missing for it to show up on the icons theme list? well i suspect that is your core problem. no working/found/usable icon theme. ican't say what gnome-icon-theme deb pkgs does... but i have themes listed - i installed some icon theme pkgs, i selected one i liked (faenza) and everything is fine. :) And somehow I still do not get the point. I have a .desktop file for my application. In this desktop file an icon is defined. This icon (correct me if I am wrong) does not need to belong to some icon theme as it might be a 3rd party application. So at least if I give a full path there, E should not care about such things as application themes. Or not? Anyway, it appears that somehow my understanding of how application entries, icons for windows and .desktop files work together is slightly out of sync. I am glad for any enlightenment. if you have a full path there - yes. it should absolutely work using the full path. most desktop files for most apps do not give full paths,. they give simple names and expect code to hunt icons down from an icon theme... :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:20:22 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: On 18.02.2014 15:42, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:50:58 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: On 18.02.2014 11:34, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:47:42 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: Hi Jeff, are you honestly complaining about a user trying to give some feedback on the software he loves to use in order to help turning it into a better product? ;-) don't worry florian... we care. what we would like is if you file bug reports on https://phab.enlightenment.org 0 that way they get seen, tracked nd not lost. each problem/bug can be discussed in its own thread and you can help point us to ways of reproducing the issue. :) OK, I will try to file a bug where applicable. It is just bugging myself that I cannot find ways to reproduce some of those guys. Anyway, can anyone give my a short guide on what to do on the phab thingy. Incomprehensible as hell. Is tasks phab-speak for bug? Then how would I for example find this T870 that was pointed out later in the thread? I cannot see it even under All Tasks... https://phab.enlightenment.org/T870 :) pretty simple. :) Once you already know what to look for, i.e. the bug number. yes. if someone gives you a bug number (Tsomething) it's easy. if not - well .. going through open bugs and/or making a custom query to list the bugs for the project that are open... :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 -- Lid Closed -- Suspend binding
I have installed acpid as an optional dependency while installing tlp package (http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html) but not enabled it as a systemd service. I didn't know that Enlightenment needs it. After enabling it the binding works fine now! - Thank you very much;-) - It would be very nice if you could point me to some sort of documentations describing an architectural overview of Enlightenment and specially its interaction with other OS services. On the Wiki page (https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/) I have found a few ones. There may be more else where! Regards Nik On 02/18/2014 12:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:44:53 +0100 Mailing List (GMail) nitral...@googlemail.com said: Hello folks! I'm running Archlinux with E18 (0.18.3) on a Thinkpad Edge E130 for a few days now. While checking the ACPI Bindings I have noticed that the Lid Closed event is bound to Suspend. However, if I close the lid, the notebook is not suspended but only the screen is blanked. Suspending notebook via System -- Suspend works flawlessly. As /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf shows Suspend is handled by systemd. actually if you have systemd ... sysactions.conf doesn't even do anything for suspend.shut down/reboot etc. - it's done by dbus from e directly. :) It is interesting that the binding Lid Closed -- Suspend works without any problems before executing startx, i.e. systemd recongnizes the event and handles it correctly. As soon as the Enlightenment takes over it doesn't work anymore. yes. because enlightenment asks systemd to stop its auto handling of these things so that it's own config and bindings will work. I've searched for a solution on the web but couldn't find any! Am I missing something? Could it be a configuration issue on my notebook? Or maybe a known problem in Enlightenment? did you install acpid? did you enable it as a systemd service? if e doesnt get a lid close event... how can it do anything about it? :) Any constructive answer is very much appreciated! Regard Nik -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E18 -- ACPI functionalities
Enlightenment provides some ACPI functionalities out of the box. However, I don't have any idea at the moment how they are implemented (directly or using other tools). To have more controls on power management I have also installed the TLP package on my notebook (running Archlinux). But it is generally recommanded to use only one power management suite (because of interferences in the functionalities). My question: Does anyone have experiences with TLP under E18? Any other recommandations regarding power management under E18 are welcome! Regards Nik -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On 18.02.2014 18:45, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: [...] That's an excellent point. My Icons theme list is empty. I have, however, the gnome-icon-theme deb package installed. What am I missing for it to show up on the icons theme list? well i suspect that is your core problem. no working/found/usable icon theme. ican't say what gnome-icon-theme deb pkgs does... but i have themes listed - i installed some icon theme pkgs, i selected one i liked (faenza) and everything is fine. :) I agree, that could be at it's heart. So now the question is how to make E recognize my icon theme. Is there some file in which the available themes are listed? Or according to which kind of black magic is that determined? Just as a try I tried to additionally install the gnome-brave-icon-theme, but after a restart of E still nothing shows up. So I guess I am missing a mechanism that E is relying on to compile its list of themes. But which? And somehow I still do not get the point. I have a .desktop file for my application. In this desktop file an icon is defined. This icon (correct me if I am wrong) does not need to belong to some icon theme as it might be a 3rd party application. So at least if I give a full path there, E should not care about such things as application themes. Or not? Anyway, it appears that somehow my understanding of how application entries, icons for windows and .desktop files work together is slightly out of sync. I am glad for any enlightenment. if you have a full path there - yes. it should absolutely work using the full path. most desktop files for most apps do not give full paths,. they give simple names and expect code to hunt icons down from an icon theme... :) OK, trying to dig a bit into this it seems (at least for the two cases I tested) that a full path actually works. Just I don't feel like changing all my .desktop files by hand... Cheers Florian -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:43:18 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de wrote: On 18.02.2014 18:45, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: [...] That's an excellent point. My Icons theme list is empty. I have, however, the gnome-icon-theme deb package installed. What am I missing for it to show up on the icons theme list? well i suspect that is your core problem. no working/found/usable icon theme. ican't say what gnome-icon-theme deb pkgs does... but i have themes listed - i installed some icon theme pkgs, i selected one i liked (faenza) and everything is fine. :) I agree, that could be at it's heart. So now the question is how to make E recognize my icon theme. Is there some file in which the available themes are listed? Or according to which kind of black magic is that determined? The FreeDestop.Org specification that most Linux distros follow to get this to all work is kinda black magic. I suspect in your efforts to trim down your OS you forgot to dance Gangnam style widershins around the pile of fresh three headed chicken wings. Or something. Maybe add BBQ sauce? I think these are the most relevant mystical tomes - http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html But it probably boils down to - you shaved a bit too much off to save space, and some crucial bit is missing. The problem is identifying that missing bit. It's also entirely possible that until a few weeks ago, when your problems started, there was some sort of bug crawling on the E three headed chicken wings, that just happened to make things work in your stripped down version. Perhaps looking at commits from that time would help. Just as a try I tried to additionally install the gnome-brave-icon-theme, but after a restart of E still nothing shows up. So I guess I am missing a mechanism that E is relying on to compile its list of themes. But which? And somehow I still do not get the point. I have a .desktop file for my application. In this desktop file an icon is defined. This icon (correct me if I am wrong) does not need to belong to some icon theme as it might be a 3rd party application. So at least if I give a full path there, E should not care about such things as application themes. Or not? Anyway, it appears that somehow my understanding of how application entries, icons for windows and .desktop files work together is slightly out of sync. I am glad for any enlightenment. if you have a full path there - yes. it should absolutely work using the full path. most desktop files for most apps do not give full paths,. they give simple names and expect code to hunt icons down from an icon theme... :) OK, trying to dig a bit into this it seems (at least for the two cases I tested) that a full path actually works. Just I don't feel like changing all my .desktop files by hand... Yep, the labyrinthine FDO icon spec does allow just use this path dammit to bypass all their nonsense. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E18 -- eo.c: 1547 Tried deleting the object ...
I have encountered the following problem a few times:
Right after starting X the mouse clicks didn't work in E18.
However, the mouse cursor was visible and could be moved around.
After killing X (pkill X) from another console
I'v seen a contineously repeating error message like this one
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ERR{eo}lib/eo/eo.c:1547 Tried deleting the object 0xnnn while still
referenced(yyy)
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in the original console which I've interrupted by ^C!
Is it a known issue?
Regards
Nik
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Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On 02/18/2014 12:08 PM, Florian Schaefer wrote: On 18.02.2014 12:22, P Purkayastha wrote: [...] Latest git has got window focus issues. Stay away from git if you want stable software. Most stable is the latest e17 release. I would hold e18 releases as next in stability. But then people are also writing don't use e17, it's old as hell. ;-) Well, I actually used it since the famous days hell froze over. And always from cvs/svn/git (or whatever the repro manager of the year was called). So I am used to things breaking once in a while... Well, I would say that those people do not appreciate a stable desktop. :) I prefer old and stable over new and wonky any time. At this point of time, I simply use things which work reliably for months without breaking. e17 from svn was like that, with only occasional breakage once or twice a year. e18 and e19 are less stable in that respect. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] 1.9.0-beta1 pre-release and Enlightenment 0.18.4 release
https://phab.enlightenment.org/phame/post/view/37/ We are ready for our first beta release for the upcoming 1.9 release cycle. Please give it a good testing. Since alpha1 we received to many fixes to list them all. Full NEWS will be ready for the final 1.9 release. Download LINKSHA256 efl-1.9.0-beta1.tar.gz e6ca25f4887d5b3db0f613bd476cd5a7661baa6ab8ea26992bd4deba552e399a elementary-1.9.0-beta1.tar.gz 60217f129bda403db6445677143d1cb6fde1d76ae79f588104a3c38472d577e9 emotion_generic_players-1.9.0-beta1.tar.gz 33c1cf34739b1b4a77c1927d2fa27011e2e3acff38469801a4cefd77f3abdf37 evas_generic_loaders-1.9.0-beta1.tar.gz bfe57c9b9574dc83771269a1cabf896b14ab4b9cf77cacda76631c0d42d83359 For your additional pleasure we have a new stable release for the Enlightenment 0.18 series. This release fixes a number of issues, most notably a very longstanding bug where distcheck would fail for modules which were not enabled by default. fixed menu placement in some cases fixed dnd indicator visibility after operation ends fixed screen limits window handling to not unexpectedly warp windows fixed distcheck for non-default modules fixed rare crash when closing applications fixed crash when settings windows containing an entry widget were closed fixed ibar app tracking with applications possessing a skip_taskbar window EFM now respects device presentation hints improved positioning of windows when using multiple monitors compositor theme match dialog now functions as expected LINKSHA256 enlightenment-0.18.4.tar.gz 304a9d821c235e6d9fbcee7c45f286b72a1f646744142b9af825007d1058427a Building and Dependencies If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to delete its header files and libraries before compiling and installing to avoid possible conflicts during compilation. If you are compiling the above, please compile them in the following order: efl elementary emotion_generic_players evas_generic_loaders Please refer to the respective README files in each release for a full list of dependencies, explanations on configure flags and other relevant information (Just scroll down to see the README already displayed nicely). EFL Elementary Emotion Generic Players Evas Generic Loaders Recommended dependencies are for all of the above are: bullet libpng libjpeg gstreamer (1.x) (ensure you have all the gstreamer codecs you need/want) zlib luajit (optional lua 5.1 or 5.2) libtiff openssl curl dbus libc fontconfig freetype2 fribidi libpulse libsndfile libx11 libxau libxcomposite libxdamage libxdmcp libxext libxfixes libxinerama libxrandr libxrender libxss libxtst libxcursor libxp libxi (2.2 or newer) libgl (opengl/glx or opengl-es2/egl) giflib util-linux (limbount + libblkid) systemd / libudev harfbuzz systemd libwebp vlc (libvlc) poppler libraw libspectre librsvg It is suggested you add the following options when building EFL to get a better experience: --enable-xinput22 \ --enable-multisense \ --enable-systemd \ --enable-image-loader-webp \ --enable-harfbuzz On linux to get framebuffer support you may want to also do: --enable-fb --disable-tslib If you want wayland support also add: --enable-wayland At runtime if you want thumbnailing for DOC/PPT/XLS etc. files also provide: libreoffice -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:31:11 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:38 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit : On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote: Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit : Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto: Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ? I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then add xorg packet then e17. It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do not see it in enlightenment. Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf? I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman installed but that is not needed. Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...? If you want say that I find it in : ps -aux Yes, it is. But I do not know what to do with it... And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be could be a networkd manager. Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf. settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)? Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not in enlightenment. I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present. then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have a process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process. Ok, but this is the problem. how do I do that ? I am looking for a basic howto or documentation or reference about enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured. Thank you for your patience there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. select the module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you how. it's right there in the gui. Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection manager. No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like connction manager. Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ? See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366 rob Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature? e17 can work - just debian's e17 packaged are broken by disabling connman, and thus leaving you in your position of not having it. choices: 1. build e17 yourself 2. find another apt repo/ppa etc. with updated efl/e packages that are not broken for debian 3. wipe e17 and efl and update to latest (efl 1.8/e18) and compile and install these yourself. :) 4. change distribution to one that hasn't disabled connamn and lets e work fully out of the box. :) I'm running e17.x on Jessie, and I wondered about why connman didn't work as well. I use, as I stated earlier, wicd instead, but I'm curious, why did Debian disable connman? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: Equal bytes for women. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 -- ACPI functionalities
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:27:27 +0100 Nitralime nitral...@googlemail.com said: Enlightenment provides some ACPI functionalities out of the box. However, I don't have any idea at the moment how they are implemented (directly or using other tools). e opens /var/run/acpid.socket (well conntexts to it as its a socket)... and litens. acpid sends events to all clients that connect. :) To have more controls on power management I have also installed the TLP package on my notebook (running Archlinux). But it is generally recommanded to use only one power management suite (because of interferences in the functionalities). My question: Does anyone have experiences with TLP under E18? Any other recommandations regarding power management under E18 are welcome! nope, but i install nothing else other than e and its deps. cpufreq deals with the cpu for me. acpi events work (as long as kernel works) Regards Nik -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
OK, I think I figured out part of the mystery: My E is installed to /opt/e. Hence also the efreet dbus service files finished up in this location and my dbus was, of course, not picking up those files. Now I've symlinked them to a proper location, E can talk with Efreet, icon themes show up and most of my icons are back. If we are already given big big warnings about disabling stuff like physics during configuration time, how about adding a warning when putting custom installation prefixes that it is essential that those dbus service files need to be taken care of? Still, for programs like firefox, thunderwirds, wicd, my icons are missing. Can it be that E is giving precedence to SVG files even though I do not have svg support in E? Cheers Florian On 19.02.2014 09:07, Florian Schaefer wrote: Hello David! On 18.02.2014 21:15, David Seikel wrote: [...] I agree, that could be at it's heart. So now the question is how to make E recognize my icon theme. Is there some file in which the available themes are listed? Or according to which kind of black magic is that determined? The FreeDestop.Org specification that most Linux distros follow to get this to all work is kinda black magic. I suspect in your efforts to trim down your OS you forgot to dance Gangnam style widershins around the pile of fresh three headed chicken wings. Or something. Maybe add BBQ sauce? I think these are the most relevant mystical tomes - http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html But it probably boils down to - you shaved a bit too much off to save space, and some crucial bit is missing. The problem is identifying that missing bit. [...] I dunno whether I shaved off too much. Probably I just didn't install everything. I think I installed this system about 10 years ago. Ever since being on Debian/sid, copying it from one computer to the next and doing the daily updates in order to keep the edge (or at least trying to). But as in those years the Linux experience evolved from something I can understand as everything is in plain text config files, to something very difficult to disentangle as most stuff is handled by strange daemons, buses and IPCs, it might be I missed something. ;-) Anyway, thank you for those helpful FDO links. Tried to do my homework here, matching with what is written there to my system: Quote: By default, apps should look in $HOME/.icons (for backwards compatibility), in $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons and in /usr/share/pixmaps My $XDG_DATA_DIRS is /opt/e/share/enlightenment:/opt/e/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share. That's already interesting. As the folder [...]/enlightenment/icons is empty. Instead my E icons are in [...]/enlightenment/data/icons. Who adds this entry to my XDG_DATA_DIRS? Anyway, most of my stock icons are in /usr/share/icons, so this dir is also covered. Quote: Implementations are required to look in the hicolor theme if an icon was not found in the current theme. I have a hicolor subdirectory in the icons folder, and it is populated with all the icons I'd every need for my humble set of applications. Quote: In at least one of the theme directories there must be a file called index.theme that describes the theme. My hicolor directory contains an index.theme file, giving the theme the name Hicolor. However, it contains Hidden=true. So I set this to false, just in case. Still, it doesn't show up. Anyway, an application is required to use this theme in case should an icon not be found anywhere else. Therefore, I'd expect my icons to show up. So in this respect it themes my system is not so completely badly set up. Any more ideas? Thanks for you help/patience, Florian -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:38:53 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de said: OK, I think I figured out part of the mystery: My E is installed to /opt/e. Hence also the efreet dbus service files finished up in this location and my dbus was, of course, not picking up those files. Now I've symlinked them to a proper location, E can talk with Efreet, icon themes show up and most of my icons are back. OH! aha! If we are already given big big warnings about disabling stuff like physics during configuration time, how about adding a warning when putting custom installation prefixes that it is essential that those dbus service files need to be taken care of? yes. good point. i'll stuff a warning bonanza in about this. Still, for programs like firefox, thunderwirds, wicd, my icons are missing. Can it be that E is giving precedence to SVG files even though I do not have svg support in E? wtf? no svg support! fredesktop.org icon specs make that a requirement... from memory Cheers Florian On 19.02.2014 09:07, Florian Schaefer wrote: Hello David! On 18.02.2014 21:15, David Seikel wrote: [...] I agree, that could be at it's heart. So now the question is how to make E recognize my icon theme. Is there some file in which the available themes are listed? Or according to which kind of black magic is that determined? The FreeDestop.Org specification that most Linux distros follow to get this to all work is kinda black magic. I suspect in your efforts to trim down your OS you forgot to dance Gangnam style widershins around the pile of fresh three headed chicken wings. Or something. Maybe add BBQ sauce? I think these are the most relevant mystical tomes - http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html But it probably boils down to - you shaved a bit too much off to save space, and some crucial bit is missing. The problem is identifying that missing bit. [...] I dunno whether I shaved off too much. Probably I just didn't install everything. I think I installed this system about 10 years ago. Ever since being on Debian/sid, copying it from one computer to the next and doing the daily updates in order to keep the edge (or at least trying to). But as in those years the Linux experience evolved from something I can understand as everything is in plain text config files, to something very difficult to disentangle as most stuff is handled by strange daemons, buses and IPCs, it might be I missed something. ;-) Anyway, thank you for those helpful FDO links. Tried to do my homework here, matching with what is written there to my system: Quote: By default, apps should look in $HOME/.icons (for backwards compatibility), in $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons and in /usr/share/pixmaps My $XDG_DATA_DIRS is /opt/e/share/enlightenment:/opt/e/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share. That's already interesting. As the folder [...]/enlightenment/icons is empty. Instead my E icons are in [...]/enlightenment/data/icons. Who adds this entry to my XDG_DATA_DIRS? Anyway, most of my stock icons are in /usr/share/icons, so this dir is also covered. Quote: Implementations are required to look in the hicolor theme if an icon was not found in the current theme. I have a hicolor subdirectory in the icons folder, and it is populated with all the icons I'd every need for my humble set of applications. Quote: In at least one of the theme directories there must be a file called index.theme that describes the theme. My hicolor directory contains an index.theme file, giving the theme the name Hicolor. However, it contains Hidden=true. So I set this to false, just in case. Still, it doesn't show up. Anyway, an application is required to use this theme in case should an icon not be found anywhere else. Therefore, I'd expect my icons to show up. So in this respect it themes my system is not so completely badly set up. Any more ideas? Thanks for you help/patience, Florian -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com --
