Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? So what do you guys think? Yes, i am willing to donate. -- Kind Regards Antonio --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is where you come in (users etc.). If you want better access to things like nightly source tarballs builds, fast speedy CVS access, maybe binary tarballs builds, etc. etc. - our own machine will allow Automated system of nightly tarballs, second level of stable, manual created at proper times tarballs (the current tarball system), auto build the binaries from the stable tarballs. Official install script that default to stable/binary tarball installs, but can be configured for unstable tarball and cvs installs. Even then, the cvs install starts with an unstable tarball and cvs updates from that. Anon cvs and tarball mirrors to use a rock solid, minimal bandwidth sync method. Should devs continue to use sf.net cvs, or do we want to move development to the new server once all the teething problems are sorted out and it's rock solid? sf.net dev cvs is a lot less problematic than anon, coz if it sucks too much devs won't use it, and if devs don't use it, then sourceforge won't have any source to forge. pgpWi2L8g3rYF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:31:06 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is where you come in (users etc.). If you want better access to things like nightly source tarballs builds, fast speedy CVS access, maybe binary tarballs builds, etc. etc. - our own machine will allow Automated system of nightly tarballs, second level of stable, manual created at proper times tarballs (the current tarball system), auto build the binaries from the stable tarballs. Official install script that default to stable/binary tarball installs, but can be configured for unstable tarball and cvs installs. Even then, the cvs install starts with an unstable tarball and cvs updates from that. Anon cvs and tarball mirrors to use a rock solid, minimal bandwidth sync method. Should devs continue to use sf.net cvs, or do we want to move development to the new server once all the teething problems are sorted out and it's rock solid? sf.net dev cvs is a lot less problematic than anon, coz if it sucks too much devs won't use it, and if devs don't use it, then sourceforge won't have any source to forge. dev cvs works just fine - it's not having any issues. it's ONLY anon cvs. i am considering this for the good of the non-developers. use devs are well catered for and happy :) not to mention e is sf.net project #2 - with sf.net being project #1 - so we are the first project on sf.net really - other than sf.net itself. thats something to keep maintain and use. we just shoudl move other services off sf.net where it doesnt provide good service. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:44:15 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:37:51 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: devs are well catered for and happy :) not to mention e is sf.net project #2 - with sf.net being project #1 - so we are the first project on sf.net really - other than sf.net itself. thats something to keep maintain and use. Do we get to throw that weight around? B-) we need to eat more. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
David Seikel wrote: Should devs continue to use sf.net cvs, or do we want to move development to the new server once all the teething problems are sorted out and it's rock solid? sf.net dev cvs is a lot less problematic than anon, coz if it sucks too much devs won't use it, and if devs don't use it, then sourceforge won't have any source to forge. I think spreading the load between a new server and sf.net would be a good thing. Permit only devs to get to sf.net, if folks think that would be sufficient. Everyone else goes to the new server. Unless sf.net would be slower then the new server for devs. The devs should have priority access. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Now if enough users are willing to donate something - like $20 or $50 here and there we can afford such a machine and thus bring CVS access and source access up to top level standards. I'm in, where do I send the ? This mail is meant to do 3 things. 1. Consider if this is a sane option at all (IMHO with a little work it is and opens up lots of future possibilities). I like it. 2. If so - what box do we really need? I'm not a good one to assist with this, I've not dealt with anything that provides such services. :( 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? I hope so. So what do you guys think? Let's do it. How will the $$$ be handled? Who will purchase the hardware, where will it physically be located (that is, where is -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On 1/25/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This mail is meant to do 3 things.1. Consider if this is a sane option at all (IMHO with a little work it is and opens up lots of future possibilities). I've not had that much trouble with sf anon access (sure, have to try a few times, but eventually I get there - I may be in a quiet timezone), but in the interests of the e community... 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? ...I just got my 2005 bonus, so I'm prepared to chip in my bit too :) David
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? Yes, people are willing to donate. Set up a paypal account or something and give us the details. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
For those looking to donate, there is a small button on the left side of the menus on enlightenment.org below the navigation menu. This actually takes you to the SF donation page. As we are talking about donations to move away from SF, I would argue that we shouldn't pay their transaction fee in this case, but that is up to your discretion. If you would like to donate directly and bypass the fee you can submit a donation via Paypal to my email address. This is where the donations end up at the present time anyways. We currently have some funds from previous donations, but considering the level of hardware we're discussing, I'd estimate that we only have 1/5 to 1/3 of what we need (at best).While I don't want to discourage donations, we could definitely use those, we do have some list members with considerable resources. If someone has access to systems that would meet the needs raster outlined in his email, and is willing to donate/discount them for E hosting, please let us know. A dedicated server would be very nice to have, but we also take on the administrative headache with the benefits and responsibility for hardware upgrades/maintenance. On 1/25/06, David Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This mail is meant to do 3 things.1. Consider if this is a sane option at all (IMHO with a little work it is and opens up lots of future possibilities). I've not had that much trouble with sf anon access (sure, have to try a few times, but eventually I get there - I may be in a quiet timezone), but in the interests of the e community... 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? ...I just got my 2005 bonus, so I'm prepared to chip in my bit too :) David
Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Nathan Ingersoll wrote: For those looking to donate, there is a small button on the left side of the menus on enlightenment.org below the navigation menu. This actually takes you to the SF donation page. As we are talking about donations to move away from SF, I would argue that we shouldn't pay their transaction fee in this case, but that is up to your discretion. If you would like to donate directly and bypass the fee you can submit a donation via Paypal to my email address. This is where the donations end up at the present time anyways. We currently have some funds from previous donations, but considering the level of hardware we're discussing, I'd estimate that we only have 1/5 to 1/3 of what we need (at best). Can anyone put a $ amount on what will be needed? While I don't want to discourage donations, we could definitely use those, we do have some list members with considerable resources. If someone has access to systems that would meet the needs raster outlined in his email, and is willing to donate/discount them for E hosting, please let us know. A dedicated server would be very nice to have, but we also take on the administrative headache with the benefits and responsibility for hardware upgrades/maintenance. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:59:54 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Ingersoll wrote: We currently have some funds from previous donations, but considering the level of hardware we're discussing, I'd estimate that we only have 1/5 to 1/3 of what we need (at best). Can anyone put a $ amount on what will be needed? Not until we have a better idea of what hardware will be needed and get a chance to look up prices. Until then, only vague estimates can be made. pgpL2hVw7tpeM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Nathan Ingersoll wrote: For those looking to donate, there is a small button on the left side of the menus on enlightenment.org below the navigation menu. This actually takes you to the SF donation page. As we are talking about donations to move away from SF, I would argue that we shouldn't pay their transaction fee in this case, but that is up to your discretion. If you would like to donate directly and bypass the fee you can submit a donation via Paypal to my email address. This is where the donations end up at the present time anyways. Assuming that would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
That would be correct.On 1/25/06, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Ingersoll wrote: For those looking to donate, there is a small button on the left side of the menus on enlightenment.org below the navigation menu. This actually takes you to the SF donation page. As we are talking about donations to move away from SF, I would argue that we shouldn't pay their transaction fee in this case, but that is up to your discretion. If you would like to donate directly and bypass the fee you can submit a donation via Paypal to my email address. This is where the donations end up at the present time anyways.Assuming that would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? --Until later, Geoffrey
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On 25/01/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. If so - what box do we really need? As for the hardware, I would suggest Sun Microsystems line of Galaxy servers. There are several models available, the smallest one starting at $745 (without HDD, CD/DVD). You can choose between one or two CPUs etc... Check out: http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStorecmdViewProduct_CPcatid=48589 To find out what system configuration is the best for the task in question, it would be cool to have some data of the thinktux-server. What system is it, what configuration has it got? (Nos and speed of CPU, RAM, HDDs, Controllers etc...) What about the system load in detail? Not all the load is produced by the CPU, a high amount of kernel activities or I/O wait is most of the time more crucial to the responsiveness of a system. I'm just asking because the desired configuration can easily double the price of the server. For the disk configuration I think a simple mirror would be enough. Since money is a concern it would be good to keep some money in the pocket so that in case a disk dies it can be replaced. 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? Yes. Setting up a paypal account we can send money to is a good idea. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
OK people It seems CVS issues have been getting worse of late - SF.NET is being more overloaded than ever, and thinktux needs to go down soon enough. We need to solve this. Now This isn't edict, or guaranteed to happen, but it's an IDEA open for discussion. Apparently thinktux pulls some serious load and bandwidth - and that is not all of the anonymous CVS access we have. Apparently Thinktux's machine is farily overloaded CPU-wise and is pulling a good 25GB of CVS data traffic per day. I imagine this will only increase over time and if all anonymous CVS access is moved here - then it will get even worse. So after some discussions we have a tentative offer of free hosting and bandwidth from the guys at: http://osuosl.org/ - all we need is a server box. We can run what we want on this - including enlightenment.org's website, and we could host other pages if we want to too (get-e.org, edevelop.org etc.) if people desire, but the main issue here is easier ability to provide downloads of tarballs (currently enlightenment.freedesktop.org servers as this dumping ground due to sf.net limiting www space and use). and CVS - anonymous CVS. The problems are twofold - bandwidth and load here. Here is where you come in (users etc.). If you want better access to things like nightly source tarballs builds, fast speedy CVS access, maybe binary tarballs builds, etc. etc. - our own machine will allow us to do this without limits. All we need to do is pony up enough cash to buy a machine to put in a rack. Again - this is just an idea right now, but it's a relatively attractive one. This allows us to monitor CVS stats better - find out just how many people use CVS - how often, where they come from (USA, Eruope, Outer Mongolia) etc. It gives use the opportunity to provide a better service and gain more information. Now if enough users are willing to donate something - like $20 or $50 here and there we can afford such a machine and thus bring CVS access and source access up to top level standards. This mail is meant to do 3 things. 1. Consider if this is a sane option at all (IMHO with a little work it is and opens up lots of future possibilities). 2. If so - what box do we really need? I am thinking something like: dual opteron/xeon or amd64 (like 2 phsical cpu's) and maybe get 2x dual core cpu's - but don't get the expensive ones - midrange (to handle the cvs load) eg amd64 3800's (2ghz dual core amd64 - 2 of these cpu's (so 4 cores total)), 1GB ram minimum - likely 2-4 GB maybe for lots of disk cache, a 2u box/case and a raid drive setup (disks go bad - setup at least raid mirroring with striped reads doubling our read rates, and a failure is no big deal other than needing to send out a replacement), with removable drive bays because drives go bad - make life easy on the hosters. If a drive goes bad - limp along without backup for a week or 2, get new drive, insert fixed. Otherwise the rest is pretty standard (100mbit or gigabit ethernet - irrelevant which really) etc. etc. this can of course all be discussed as to what people think is a good value for money box that meets our needs. 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? So what do you guys think? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? I'm willing to donate! Just say how and when! \\troback -- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. And 'No' is the answer! Anders Trobäck http://www.troback.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On 1/25/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? So what do you guys think? Count me in :) -- Gopalarathnam Venkatesan http://gopalarathnam.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
I just got up, lemme catch up with the rest of the email and think about this for a bit. My initial reactions - On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Consider if this is a sane option at all (IMHO with a little work it is and opens up lots of future possibilities). Running our own cvs servers sounds sane to me, there are lots of problems with the current ones, including hawing both of the anon services useless at the same time. Something more reliable is definitely needed. I dunno about the current tarball server and it's load, but encouraging people to use tarballs might help with the overall system load. I have been suggesting people move to tarballs, but I always get the same response - they are too old. So tarballs need to be made more often as well. Spreading the load with some sort of checks and balances seems like the best way to do it. So that we A) have no single point of failure, other than sf.net dev cvs, B) avoid or auto heal problems rather than waiting for lots of anon users to complain, and C) make there are plenty of reliable admins spread around the globe and timezones that will fix those problems that need manual fixing when needed. 2. If so - what box do we really need? I am thinking something like: I have no opinions on what sort of hardware is needed. 3. Are people willing to donate enough $ to make it happen? I'm officially below the poverty line, so I can not donate any cash. I can donate time and admin experience though. So put me down as willing and able to help setup and admin the servers. pgpM73CMlRjeG.pgp Description: PGP signature
