Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:57:26 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ed Presutti wrote: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. Well, I stopped by Monarch and inquired as to the possibility of providing some sponsorship. I was informed that the marketing people will only see you by appointment and that sponsorship is only addressed via email. I've not heard back from the email message I sent. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed in the whole thing. Maybe we'll have better luck with another vendor. not overly surprising though :) Except for the fact that they could at least respond to the email. Not exactly good PR or customer relations. The guy at the shop acted like I was putting him out as well. That's not the way they will continue to get my business. Then again, why worry about the small fish in the pond right? -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:41:51 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:57:26 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ed Presutti wrote: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. Well, I stopped by Monarch and inquired as to the possibility of providing some sponsorship. I was informed that the marketing people will only see you by appointment and that sponsorship is only addressed via email. I've not heard back from the email message I sent. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed in the whole thing. Maybe we'll have better luck with another vendor. not overly surprising though :) Except for the fact that they could at least respond to the email. Not exactly good PR or customer relations. typical company: is there any $ in it for us? - who are these enlightenemnt people? i don't know. don't waste your time on some group of open soruce looneys. if you don't know them they don't count.. do you think the MARKETING guys at a company like a server manufacturer have a concept of the open source world beyond Redhat or maybe debian and linux kernel and that's about it? if they do - you are insanely lucky. these guys simply slap a debian or redhat install image on a disk and sell a piece of hardware. if they do much more than that you are VERY lucky. The guy at the shop acted like I was putting him out as well. That's not the way they will continue to get my business. Then again, why worry about the small fish in the pond right? yup. small fish. if they lose 1 customer - they dont care. if u represent a massiv organisation that is buying 100's or 1000's of boxes - and they piss u off - they will care. the oss world matters little to them. they get the code one way or another. a window manager and gfx toolkit are even more irrelevant if their business is servers. not only are we irrelevant to their business - we arent even a household name and you have no leverage. it sucks - i know. the only leverage u might have is with the BIG BIG BIG players where they do span LOTS of domains and the publicity is worht the tiny dent in their budget, OR unless offending you means a big enough dent in their sales. if everyone on this list decides not to buy form them - i doubt they will see a dent in their budget and even that happening is unlikely as they havent really wronged us. they simply havent decided to give us a few hundred or thousand dollars for free (as giving a box is a box they can't sell - thus at least worht the cost of manufacture, likely also worht its full retail price considering the special out-of-the-ordinary effort to get it to you, etc. etc.). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Ed Presutti wrote: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. Well, I stopped by Monarch and inquired as to the possibility of providing some sponsorship. I was informed that the marketing people will only see you by appointment and that sponsorship is only addressed via email. I've not heard back from the email message I sent. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed in the whole thing. Maybe we'll have better luck with another vendor. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:57:26 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ed Presutti wrote: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. Well, I stopped by Monarch and inquired as to the possibility of providing some sponsorship. I was informed that the marketing people will only see you by appointment and that sponsorship is only addressed via email. I've not heard back from the email message I sent. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed in the whole thing. Maybe we'll have better luck with another vendor. not overly surprising though :) -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Ed Presutti wrote: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. Thanks, I've not heard back from them, but I'll give them to the end of the week. If I've not heard anything by then I'll drop you a line and we'll see if we can get things moving. Thanks again. Thanks, Ed Presutti (ekrunch on freenode) On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 01:11 -0500, Geoffrey wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:01:53 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Geoffrey wrote: Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and Well, I've not seen much response regarding me contacting Monarch. Is there an objection? Should I take the silence as a recommendation for or against? I'm not sure who would be the one to make this 'decision.' Just the same, I sent an email message to the marketing folks at Monarch to see what the might have to say. I would say give them a ping and see - there's more than one thing in the pipe atm. i'm aqctually TRYING to write code for once - but it seems that the moment i try - people get antsy that i dont do my email! :) Well I would much rather you write code. :) Ping of Monarch has gone out. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:49:26 -0600 Ed Presutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Geoffrey, I have a friend in sales at Monarch that might be helpful in these matters. Let me know if you need an assist. send a ping and see. ben has sent off a ping to another hw vendor to see if they will want to sponsor us with freebie servers as well - so i'm waiting on the results of tyring to get freebies before moving any more towards buying our own. I just put my brain in gear and realized I'll be out Monarch's way tomorrow and Thursday. I think I'll stop. A face to face might be better then a forgotten email.. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Morten Nilsen Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:44 PM To: eusers Subject: Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: I would say give them a ping and see - there's more than one thing in the pipe atm. i'm aqctually TRYING to write code for once - but it seems that the moment i try - people get antsy that i dont do my email! :) I know the solution; cloning! one raster to code, and one taster to answer email.. brillant! One Raster to code them all, One Raster to mind them. One Raster to Enlighten them all And in the darkness find them. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Geoffrey wrote: Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and Well, I've not seen much response regarding me contacting Monarch. Is there an objection? Should I take the silence as a recommendation for or against? I'm not sure who would be the one to make this 'decision.' Just the same, I sent an email message to the marketing folks at Monarch to see what the might have to say. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
My feeling is that it's worth exploring, but we can't do much more than put a sponsoring logo on the website and put a few plugs for them on some blogs.On 2/4/06, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia andWell, I've not seen much response regarding me contacting Monarch.Isthere an objection?Should I take the silence as a recommendation for or against?I'm not sure who would be the one to make this 'decision.'Just the same, I sent an email message to the marketing folks at Monarchto see what the might have to say.--Until later, Geoffrey
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:01:53 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Geoffrey wrote: Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and Well, I've not seen much response regarding me contacting Monarch. Is there an objection? Should I take the silence as a recommendation for or against? I'm not sure who would be the one to make this 'decision.' Just the same, I sent an email message to the marketing folks at Monarch to see what the might have to say. I would say give them a ping and see - there's more than one thing in the pipe atm. i'm aqctually TRYING to write code for once - but it seems that the moment i try - people get antsy that i dont do my email! :) -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:01:53 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Geoffrey wrote: Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and Well, I've not seen much response regarding me contacting Monarch. Is there an objection? Should I take the silence as a recommendation for or against? I'm not sure who would be the one to make this 'decision.' Just the same, I sent an email message to the marketing folks at Monarch to see what the might have to say. I would say give them a ping and see - there's more than one thing in the pipe atm. i'm aqctually TRYING to write code for once - but it seems that the moment i try - people get antsy that i dont do my email! :) Well I would much rather you write code. :) Ping of Monarch has gone out. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and talked to them about the possibility of either donating hardware or reducing the cost for the sake of an open source project. That being said, I was told that I should send an email to the marketing department. It makes sense to me, but I'm not someone who would such a decision, although I'm sure the Enlightenment developers and users wouldn't turn down a deal if it was offered. So, the question is, should I go for it, should someone else do this? What can we offer in return? Links off the E website? Let me know folks? -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:20:53 -0600 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 1/30/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDR RAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI Raid Controller, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $4272 These seem like reasonable systems, but the 1850 is actually a 1U system. i thought about it - and really.. do we need a 2u? a 1u should do... ? to save a fair bit of cost... The 2850 is the 2U. I'd lean towards the 2U system as we have more room to add drives as we can afford to. I configured it with an embedded RAID controller with three 73 GB drives in a RAID 5 configuration and it came out closer to $3500. hmm. I am a little concerned about making a decision without some information on what traffic levels we should be expecting and a base system to compare against. Unfortunately, SF doesn't provide CVS statistics. We pretty much have one shot to get this right, if we find the system is under-powered we're stuck with an expensive mirror. yup - thats a problem - but what can we do? Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping and handling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. or whatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with a pleasant surprise) This seems like a reasonable goal, and we can fish around for any available discounts or donations until we reach that point. i'm checking up on edu discount etc. too -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:20:53 -0600 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 1/30/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDR RAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI Raid Controller, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $4272 These seem like reasonable systems, but the 1850 is actually a 1U system. The 2850 is the 2U. I'd lean towards the 2U system as we have more room to add drives as we can afford to. I configured it with an embedded RAID controller with three 73 GB drives in a RAID 5 configuration and it came out closer to $3500. although seriously - how much space WILL we need? the 1u has 250GB of disk space (raid mirroring so double read-rates are possible). 250GB is likely 10 times what we woudl ever need... ? we arent storing dvd collections or mp3 collections... the e17 cvs module when checked out is 170MB of so. even if we need 100 times as much for history - we still have space to burn. sicne its a cvs mirror it needs no history - just the current checkout.. soo... :) I am a little concerned about making a decision without some information on what traffic levels we should be expecting and a base system to compare against. Unfortunately, SF doesn't provide CVS statistics. We pretty much have one shot to get this right, if we find the system is under-powered we're stuck with an expensive mirror. Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping and handling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. or whatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with a pleasant surprise) This seems like a reasonable goal, and we can fish around for any available discounts or donations until we reach that point. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On 1/30/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDRRAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standardnext business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI RaidController, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard nextbusiness day on site warranty support (nothing special)= $4272 These seem like reasonable systems, but the 1850 is actually a 1U system. The 2850 is the 2U. I'd lean towards the 2U system as we have more room to add drives as we can afford to. I configured it with an embedded RAID controller with three 73 GB drives in a RAID 5 configuration and it came out closer to $3500. I am a little concerned about making a decision without some information on what traffic levels we should be expecting and a base system to compare against. Unfortunately, SF doesn't provide CVS statistics. We pretty much have one shot to get this right, if we find the system is under-powered we're stuck with an expensive mirror. Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping andhandling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. orwhatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with apleasant surprise) This seems like a reasonable goal, and we can fish around for any available discounts or donations until we reach that point.
