Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

2016-01-10 Thread Christopher Barry 
snip...
>> >
>> >you can dump the e config into text:
>> >
>> >eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt
>> >
>> >trawl through out.txt.  
>> 
>> Cool, I'll try that. Thanks.
>> 
snip...


Here's a bash hack to dump a columnar formatted list of your hotkey
settings. Upper gist is the script, lower gist is sample output from my
config.

e hotkey formatter

https://gist.github.com/christopher-barry/a89bca1ab4e7761dbe8f

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Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

2016-01-07 Thread Christopher Barry 

Raster, see inline...

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:24:42 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:44:58 -0500 Christopher Barry wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
>> cheat-sheet type thing?
>> 
>> I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
>> immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
>> list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or
>> blank if unassigned).
>> 
>> Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because
>> I'd need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!
>> 
>> Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
>> assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
>> highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
>> by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.
>> 
>> Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the
>> task at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more
>> intuitive.  
>
>it is a list of your bindings. each line is an entry/binding. no - it
>doesnt list the thing its bound to in the list next to it, but i think
>you have a special problem yourself of not remembering :)

yep, getting old. that's not really a 'special' problem... you'll enjoy
it too someday :)

>
>you can dump the e config into text:
>
>eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt
>
>trawl through out.txt.

Cool, I'll try that. Thanks.

Note: for debian, I needed to install libeet-bin to get eet.
  I'm going to hack up a script to do what I want with this data,
  and I'll post it later for other pre-Alzheimer's folk...

>
>> For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two
>> fields, HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected,
>> and the modal 'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if
>> it does not already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the
>> cursor is automatically moved to the right field where the type of
>> entry field is a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to
>> assign - possibly filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned
>> actions.
>> 
>> Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a
>> formatted two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe
>> even saved to an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily
>> with your preferred hotkeys.  
>
>you have a very very very special problem there. i have never seen
>anyone with a printed out paper of keybindings for their wm on their
>desk. cubicle wall etc.

really. I do this a lot for programs I customize. blender has a
bazillion hot-keys. AutoCAD did as well. It's useful for me, and I'm
betting at least *one* other person in the World might use it if it
was available.

>this would be a lot of support to support
>printing for the only case i have ever heard of needing printing out
>of bindings. :)

yeah, a print button might be a stretch, but export to text that can
also be re-imported elsewhere would be very very very useful (to steal
your word usage) for duplicating settings to other boxen.

>
>the reason the ui is as it is is because that works best with the
>widgets we have atm with the least amount of effort. e has had forever
>on the todo to "clean up settings dialogs". we can improve them, but
>this takes a lot of time and effort.

dig it, and I really really really do appreciate all the work you've
done on e. I love it. It has no peer.

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Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

2016-01-07 Thread The Rasterman 
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:43:11 -0500 Christopher Barry
 said:

> 
> Raster, see inline...
> 
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:24:42 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:44:58 -0500 Christopher Barry wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
> >> cheat-sheet type thing?
> >> 
> >> I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
> >> immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
> >> list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or
> >> blank if unassigned).
> >> 
> >> Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because
> >> I'd need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!
> >> 
> >> Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
> >> assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
> >> highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
> >> by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.
> >> 
> >> Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the
> >> task at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more
> >> intuitive.  
> >
> >it is a list of your bindings. each line is an entry/binding. no - it
> >doesnt list the thing its bound to in the list next to it, but i think
> >you have a special problem yourself of not remembering :)
> 
> yep, getting old. that's not really a 'special' problem... you'll enjoy
> it too someday :)
> 
> >
> >you can dump the e config into text:
> >
> >eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt
> >
> >trawl through out.txt.
> 
> Cool, I'll try that. Thanks.
> 
> Note: for debian, I needed to install libeet-bin to get eet.
>   I'm going to hack up a script to do what I want with this data,
>   and I'll post it later for other pre-Alzheimer's folk...

thats a debian thing for breaking up the packages this way - it's up to you to
figure this out as it is not how upstream ships things - eet (binary tool) is
shipped with efl from us :)

> >> For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two
> >> fields, HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected,
> >> and the modal 'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if
> >> it does not already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the
> >> cursor is automatically moved to the right field where the type of
> >> entry field is a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to
> >> assign - possibly filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned
> >> actions.
> >> 
> >> Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a
> >> formatted two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe
> >> even saved to an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily
> >> with your preferred hotkeys.  
> >
> >you have a very very very special problem there. i have never seen
> >anyone with a printed out paper of keybindings for their wm on their
> >desk. cubicle wall etc.
> 
> really. I do this a lot for programs I customize. blender has a
> bazillion hot-keys. AutoCAD did as well. It's useful for me, and I'm
> betting at least *one* other person in the World might use it if it
> was available.
> 
> >this would be a lot of support to support
> >printing for the only case i have ever heard of needing printing out
> >of bindings. :)
> 
> yeah, a print button might be a stretch, but export to text that can
> also be re-imported elsewhere would be very very very useful (to steal
> your word usage) for duplicating settings to other boxen.

you have it above :)

> >
> >the reason the ui is as it is is because that works best with the
> >widgets we have atm with the least amount of effort. e has had forever
> >on the todo to "clean up settings dialogs". we can improve them, but
> >this takes a lot of time and effort.
> 
> dig it, and I really really really do appreciate all the work you've
> done on e. I love it. It has no peer.
> 
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> Christopher
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Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

2016-01-06 Thread The Rasterman 
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:44:58 -0500 Christopher Barry
 said:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
> cheat-sheet type thing?
> 
> I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
> immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
> list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or blank if
> unassigned).
> 
> Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because I'd
> need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!
> 
> Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
> assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
> highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
> by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.
> 
> Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the task
> at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more intuitive.

it is a list of your bindings. each line is an entry/binding. no - it doesnt
list the thing its bound to in the list next to it, but i think you have a
special problem yourself of not remembering :)

you can dump the e config into text:

eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt

trawl through out.txt.

> For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two fields,
> HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected, and the modal
> 'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if it does not
> already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the cursor is
> automatically moved to the right field where the type of entry field is
> a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to assign - possibly
> filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned actions.
> 
> Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a formatted
> two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe even saved to
> an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily with your preferred
> hotkeys.

you have a very very very special problem there. i have never seen anyone with
a printed out paper of keybindings for their wm on their desk. cubicle wall
etc. - this would be a lot of support to support printing for the only case i
have ever heard of needing printing out of bindings. :)

the reason the ui is as it is is because that works best with the widgets we
have atm with the least amount of effort. e has had forever on the todo to
"clean up settings dialogs". we can improve them, but this takes a lot of time
and effort.

> Maybe it's already like this in E20?
> 
> 
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[e-users] e17 input settings question

2016-01-06 Thread Christopher Barry 
Hi,

Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
cheat-sheet type thing?

I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or blank if
unassigned).

Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because I'd
need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!

Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.

Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the task
at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more intuitive.

For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two fields,
HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected, and the modal
'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if it does not
already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the cursor is
automatically moved to the right field where the type of entry field is
a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to assign - possibly
filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned actions.

Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a formatted
two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe even saved to
an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily with your preferred
hotkeys.

Maybe it's already like this in E20?


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