Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-18 Thread Christopher Barry
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:31:11 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:38 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
said:

 
 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
  On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
  Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a
  écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian
  jessie ? I have tried to install debian jessie without
  desktop environment, then add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed
  connman, but I do not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even
  have econnman installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that
  could be could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection
  manager. is it loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
  Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep
  connmon but not in enlightenment.
  I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
  then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon.
  modules don't have a process name/id - they are part of the
  enlightenment process.
 
  Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
  I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference
  about enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing
  structured. Thank you for your patience
  there's a big load button below the list of modules... under
  system. select the module - then load (or unload). it doesn't
  require a document to tel you how. it's right there in the gui.
 
  Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see
  connection manager.
  No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing
  like connction manager.
  Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?
 
  See debian bug
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366
 
  rob
 
 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or
 that I have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?

e17 can work - just debian's e17 packaged are broken by disabling
connman, and thus leaving you in your position of not having it.

choices:

1. build e17 yourself
2. find another apt repo/ppa etc. with updated efl/e packages that are
not broken for debian
3. wipe e17 and efl and update to latest (efl 1.8/e18) and compile and
install these yourself. :)
4. change distribution to one that hasn't disabled connamn and lets e
work fully out of the box. :)


I'm running e17.x on Jessie, and I wondered about why connman didn't
work as well. I use, as I stated earlier, wicd instead, but I'm curious,
why did Debian disable connman?


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Pierre Couderc

Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it loaded?
 (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about 
enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
Thank you for your patience


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 
 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
  said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
  I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
  add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
  not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
  installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
  ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
  could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
  loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
  Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
  in enlightenment.
  I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
  then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have a
  process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.
 
 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about 
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience

there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. select the
module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you how.
it's right there in the gui.


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Pierre Couderc

Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
 said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
  ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
 loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience
 there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. select 
 the
 module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you how.
 it's right there in the gui.

Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection 
manager.
No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like 
connction manager.
Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread rob
On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:

 Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
 said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, 
 then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I 
 do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
   ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
 loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have 
 a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience
 there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. select 
 the
 module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you how.
 it's right there in the gui.

 Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
 manager.
 No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
 connction manager.
 Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?


See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Pierre Couderc

Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
 On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
 Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
 said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
 said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, 
 then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I 
 do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
 loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't 
 have a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience
 there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. select 
 the
 module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you 
 how.
 it's right there in the gui.

 Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
 manager.
 No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
 connction manager.
 Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?

 See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366

 rob

Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I 
have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?



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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Massimo Maiurana
Pierre Couderc, il 17/02/2014 00:23, ha scritto:

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?

Yes.
As others said, there are several modules that extend E's features and
the connection manager is one of them. The connman module talks to the
connmand daemon, just as a nm-applet in other DE talks to network manager.

 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.

It's like the panel in gnome. You should have by default a shelf in the
bottom border of the desktop, but you can create other shelves if you
want. A shelf contains gadgets, so in order to have the connection
mamager you should not only load its module, you should even add it to a
shelf: right click on the shelf and select contents.

 PS : Ragusa in Sicilia...?

Yes :)

The only other Ragusa that I'm aware of is in Croatia; it is Dubrovnik,
but I think nobody calls it Ragusa anymore.

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Massimo Maiurana
Pierre Couderc, il 17/02/2014 16:37, ha scritto:

 See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366

 rob

 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian

As I said, I'm on jessie and e17 works without problems, including the
connman module, though i build it myself (i.e: not installed from packages).
That bug is from 2010, now we are in 2014 ;)

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread rob
On 17/02/14 15:37, Pierre Couderc wrote:

 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
 On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
 Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
 said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
 said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, 
 then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but 
 I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have 
 econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
 loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't 
 have a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience
 there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. 
 select the
 module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you 
 how.
 it's right there in the gui.

 Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
 manager.
 No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
 connction manager.
 Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?

 See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366

 rob

 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I
 have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?


E17 is old. If you want to build E yourself the source code is available 
at http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=downloadl=en

The debian packages to install prior to building it yourself are listed 
here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=31978123

Build in the following order:

EFL
Evas Generic Loaders
Emotion Generic Players
Elementary
Enlightenment

then Terminology and Econnman

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thank you all, for all this data.
I shall build it myself so...
But I do not like that...

PC

Le 17/02/2014 18:30, rob a écrit :
 On 17/02/14 15:37, Pierre Couderc wrote:
 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
 On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
 Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
 said:

 Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
 said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
 said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, 
 then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but 
 I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have 
 econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
  ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
 loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?

 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
 then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't 
 have a
 process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.

 Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
 I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
 enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
 Thank you for your patience
 there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. 
 select the
 module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you 
 how.
 it's right there in the gui.

 Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
 manager.
 No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
 connction manager.
 Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?

 See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366

 rob

 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I
 have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?

 E17 is old. If you want to build E yourself the source code is available
 at http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=downloadl=en

 The debian packages to install prior to building it yourself are listed
 here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=31978123

 Build in the following order:

 EFL
 Evas Generic Loaders
 Emotion Generic Players
 Elementary
 Enlightenment

 then Terminology and Econnman

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:38 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 
 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
  On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
  Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
  said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
  said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
  said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
  I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment,
  then add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but
  I do not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have
  econnman installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
  could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
  loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
  Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
  in enlightenment.
  I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
  then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't
  have a process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.
 
  Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
  I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
  enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
  Thank you for your patience
  there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system.
  select the module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document
  to tel you how. it's right there in the gui.
 
  Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
  manager.
  No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
  connction manager.
  Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?
 
  See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366
 
  rob
 
 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I 
 have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?

e17 can work - just debian's e17 packaged are broken by disabling connman, and
thus leaving you in your position of not having it.

choices:

1. build e17 yourself
2. find another apt repo/ppa etc. with updated efl/e packages that are not
broken for debian
3. wipe e17 and efl and update to latest (efl 1.8/e18) and compile and install
these yourself. :)
4. change distribution to one that hasn't disabled connamn and lets e work
fully out of the box. :)

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Dave
 Try using the repository at http://www.vin-dit.org/ .  I haven't tried it
myself, as I compile from source, but it seems relatively up to date.

 You could also use the native Debian ifupdown system to bring up your
wireless connection on system startup.  Edit the /etc/network/interfaces
file, and add something like the following:

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless-essid SID_GOES_HERE
wireless-key KEY_GOES_HERE

 or, for WPA networks:

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-ssid SID_GOES_HERE
wpa-psk KEY_GOES_HERE


 Cheers,
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 In the year 2014, of the month of February, on the 17th day, Pierre Couderc 
wrote:
 
 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
  On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
  Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
  said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu 
  said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
  said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
  I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, 
  then
  add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but 
  I do
  not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have 
  econnman
  installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
  could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it
  loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
  Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not
  in enlightenment.
  I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
  then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't 
  have a
  process name/id - they are part of the enlightenment process.
 
  Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
  I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference about
  enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing structured.
  Thank you for your patience
  there's a big load button below the list of modules... under system. 
  select the
  module - then load (or unload). it doesn't require a document to tel you 
  how.
  it's right there in the gui.
 
  Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see connection
  manager.
  No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing like
  connction manager.
  Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?
 
  See debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366
 
  rob
 
 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or that I 
 have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?
 
 
 
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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Pierre Couderc
Yes,  I  think this it is a good way; I use it manually to make my tests 
now.
I think it can be automated with a small script which does that,
that is test if previous connexion is available, and if not wlist the 
available and ask the user necessary data if needed.

Thank you.

Le 18/02/2014 03:17, Dave a écrit :
   You could also use the native Debian ifupdown system to bring up your
 wireless connection on system startup.  Edit the /etc/network/interfaces
 file, and add something like the following:

 auto wlan0
 iface wlan0 inet dhcp
  wireless-essid SID_GOES_HERE
  wireless-key KEY_GOES_HERE

   or, for WPA networks:

 auto wlan0
 iface wlan0 inet dhcp
  wpa-ssid SID_GOES_HERE
  wpa-psk KEY_GOES_HERE





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[e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Pierre Couderc
Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then 
add xorg packet then e17.
It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do 
not see it in enlightenment.
I can get the network with wireless-tools before starting startx but I 
would like something more automatic.

Thank you.
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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Christopher Barry
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:23:34 +0100
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment,
then add xorg packet then e17.
It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I
do not see it in enlightenment.
I can get the network with wireless-tools before starting startx but I 
would like something more automatic.

Thank you.
A newbye in enlightenment.



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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Massimo Maiurana
Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then 
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do 
 not see it in enlightenment.

Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
installed but that is not needed.

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thank you, I note that, but I did read somone that connman is adapted to 
enlightenment...


Le 16/02/2014 22:18, Christopher Barry a écrit :
 On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:23:34 +0100
 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment,
 then add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I
 do not see it in enlightenment.
 I can get the network with wireless-tools before starting startx but I
 would like something more automatic.

 Thank you.
 A newbye in enlightenment.


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Pierre Couderc

Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
If you want say that I find it in :
  ps -aux
Yes, it is.
But I do not know what to do with it...
And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be 
could be a networkd manager.
Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.

Thank you.
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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 
 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
  I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
  add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
  not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
  installed but that is not needed.
 
 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
   ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be 
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.

settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it loaded?
(on. enabled. blue light...)?

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
 On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
 Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
 Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
 I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
 add xorg packet then e17.
 It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
 not see it in enlightenment.
 Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
 I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
 installed but that is not needed.

 Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
 If you want say that I find it in :
ps -aux
 Yes, it is.
 But I do not know what to do with it...
 And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
 could be a networkd manager.
 Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
 settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it loaded?
 (on. enabled. blue light...)?

Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not 
in enlightenment.
I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

2014-02-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:

 Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
  I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment, then
  add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I do
  not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even have econnman
  installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that could be
  could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection manager. is it loaded?
  (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
 Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep connmon but not 
 in enlightenment.
 I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.

then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon. modules don't have a
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Re: [e-users] E17 on Debian, black screen?

2008-01-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 04:55:31PM +, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
 E17's dbus module is considered experimental, I believe. It wouldn't
 work at all for me when I tried it a couple of weeks ago. I forget
 whether it wouldn't compile or crashed E, one or the other.

I tried again having disabled the dbus module for E and it doesn't
seem to make a difference.

Definitely a problem with dbus on Debian testing/unstable, guess no
one else has run into it.  I'll see if I can track it down and report
it to those guys.


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[e-users] E17 on Debian, black screen?

2008-01-07 Thread Ross Vandegrift
Hey guys,

Is anyone else running the Ubuntu e17.dunnewind.net packages on Debian
testing/unstable?  Got some Debian-specific questions :-).

After the recent update, when I start E17 via my ~/.xsession, I get a
plain black screen when E starts.  I don't think this issue is at all
related to E - if I disable the use-dbus-session option to the global
Xsession script, my ~/.xsession works fine.

What's kind of strange is that if I start via /usr/share/xsessions,
E starts fine - that's why I don't really think this is an E issue.


I'm sure that I've overlooked something in the abuse of Ubuntu
packages on plain old Debian.  If anyone knows, I'd love a pointer.
If not, sorry for the off-topic post!


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Re: [e-users] E17 on Debian, black screen?

2008-01-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:56:10 -0500
Ross Vandegrift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 Is anyone else running the Ubuntu e17.dunnewind.net packages on Debian
 testing/unstable?  Got some Debian-specific questions :-).
 
 After the recent update, when I start E17 via my ~/.xsession, I get a
 plain black screen when E starts.  I don't think this issue is at all
 related to E - if I disable the use-dbus-session option to the global
 Xsession script, my ~/.xsession works fine.
 
 What's kind of strange is that if I start via /usr/share/xsessions,
 E starts fine - that's why I don't really think this is an E issue.
 
 
 I'm sure that I've overlooked something in the abuse of Ubuntu
 packages on plain old Debian.  If anyone knows, I'd love a pointer.
 If not, sorry for the off-topic post!

E17's dbus module is considered experimental, I believe. It wouldn't work at 
all for me when I tried it a couple of weeks ago. I forget whether it wouldn't 
compile or crashed E, one or the other.

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[e-users] e17 on debian

2005-09-02 Thread Jason Edson
Right now I'm using the .deb's from shadoi (which are great and I
currently mirror) but I'm just curious what packages I need to compile
e17 from cvs. Like what -dev packages and automake and what not. I'm
not sure if theres a list somewhere so if someone could point me in the
right direction it would make me a very happy man. Thanks for the help
and keep up the good work.

Jason Edson
oceighty.net


Re: [e-users] e17 on debian

2005-09-02 Thread David Stevenson
On 9/2/05, Jason Edson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right now I'm using the .deb's from shadoi (which are great and I
currently mirror) but I'm just curious what packages I need to compile
e17 from cvs. Like what -dev packages and automake and what not. I'm
not sure if theres a list somewhere so if someone could point me in the
right direction it would make me a very happy man. Thanks for the help
and keep up the good work.

Jason Edson
oceighty.net


This worked for me as of around March/April

https://vogelweith.homeftp.net/Linux/e17.php#x1-60001.1

David


Re: [e-users] e17 on debian

2005-09-02 Thread Tom
[02/09/2005 -- 14:42u] David Stevenson:

 Right now I'm using the .deb's from shadoi (which are great and I
 currently mirror)

Yeah, I've used various (excellent) .deb's, too, but in the end, I ended
up recompiling all of it myself because of my impatient being.

 but I'm just curious what packages I need to compile e17 from cvs. Like
 what -dev packages and automake and what not.

I'm not sure what you mean. Don't you basically just start off and just
go from there? The compiling process always tells you what you lack. No
human-made list can beat that in absolute helpfulness: it will make sure
you install nothing you don't need. :-)

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian

2005-09-02 Thread Jason Edson
On 9/2/05, David Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/2/05, Jason Edson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right now I'm using the .deb's from shadoi (which are great and I
currently mirror) but I'm just curious what packages I need to compile
e17 from cvs. Like what -dev packages and automake and what not. I'm
not sure if theres a list somewhere so if someone could point me in the
right direction it would make me a very happy man. Thanks for the help
and keep up the good work.

Jason Edson
oceighty.net


This worked for me as of around March/April

https://vogelweith.homeftp.net/Linux/e17.php#x1-60001.1

David
I installed what that page did and now I'm done compiling so I can say
it worked = ) Thanks agian for the quick responce and
sorry for sending the first email straight to you.