Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-23 Thread David Moore
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Christopher Michael wrote:

 This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:

 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo

 sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely
 unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src.
 This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make
 DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz
 containing the above files.  If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy
 installing on the part of the Makefile.  Or is there a reason that I
 should exclude specific files that make install has included?
 
 yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
 installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them 
 (libtldl
 in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package
 files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
 same for evas and emotion.

Fair enough - I already remove any .la files installed due to libtool
stupidity.  Thanks for the clarification.

David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

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 Christopher Michael wrote:
  David Moore wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May.  The net and cpu
  modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're
  not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled).  I
  can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules
  which are there.  Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something
  wrong with these modules at the moment?
 
  thanks,
  David Moore
  David,
  
  I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work 
  fine. They show up in my modules list here.
  
  If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from 
  ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] 
  and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so 
  that they show in your list.
  
  devilhorns
 
 Hi,
 
 
 Thanks for your help on this.  My .e/e/modules/ directory is empty.  I
 run Arch Linux, and I've set up all the libraries, applications and
 modules as packages which pull from CVS, build packages and then install
 under the prefix /opt/e17.  Below is the file list from the e17-net
 module package:
 
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/e-module-net.edj
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/module.desktop
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/net.edj
 /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/net.mo
 
 This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:
 
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo

sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely unneeded.
als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src.

 The package manager makes sure old files get removed and so the files
 would all be up to date.  There is a module.desktop under a modules/net
 directory.  Any other ideas as to what could go wrong?
 
 TIA,
 David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread David Moore
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 Christopher Michael wrote:
 
 This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:
 
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 
 sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely unneeded.
 als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src.
 
This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make
DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz
containing the above files.  If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy
installing on the part of the Makefile.  Or is there a reason that I
should exclude specific files that make install has included?

David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

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 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
  Christopher Michael wrote:
  
  This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:
  
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
  /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  
  sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely
  unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src.
  
 This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make
 DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz
 containing the above files.  If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy
 installing on the part of the Makefile.  Or is there a reason that I
 should exclude specific files that make install has included?

yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them (libtldl
in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package
files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
same for evas and emotion.

 David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread Christopher Michael
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
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 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Christopher Michael wrote:

 This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:

 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
 /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
 /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo

 sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely
 unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src.
 This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make
 DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz
 containing the above files.  If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy
 installing on the part of the Makefile.  Or is there a reason that I
 should exclude specific files that make install has included?
 
 yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
 installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them (libtldl
 in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package
 files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
 same for evas and emotion.
 
 David Moore
Raster,

I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just 
checked the official E modules installations, and they are also 
installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module.

dh


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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Jennings
On Tuesday, 22 May 2007, at 14:01:16 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:

  yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
  installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them 
  (libtldl
  in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package
  files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
  same for evas and emotion.
 
 I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just 
 checked the official E modules installations, and they are also 
 installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module.

No, raster's right.  Using libtool basically forces us to install the
*.a files with make install, but if you look at the spec files for
e, evas, etc., you'll see this:

rm -f `find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/enlightenment -name *.a -print`

I think you were confused about what sample package files meant.

Michael

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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread Christopher Michael
Michael Jennings wrote:
 On Tuesday, 22 May 2007, at 14:01:16 (-0400),
 Christopher Michael wrote:
 
 yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
 installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them 
 (libtldl
 in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package
 files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
 same for evas and emotion.
 I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just 
 checked the official E modules installations, and they are also 
 installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module.
 
 No, raster's right.  Using libtool basically forces us to install the
 *.a files with make install, but if you look at the spec files for
 e, evas, etc., you'll see this:
 
 rm -f `find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/enlightenment -name *.a -print`
 
 I think you were confused about what sample package files meant.
 
 Michael
 
My confusion is Very Possible Michael :) I know barely nothing of 
packaging...was just simply stating that they do get installed via 
make install from a normal cvs build :) No disrespect intended to 
anyone.

dh


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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:16 -0400 Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
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  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
 
  Christopher Michael wrote:
 
  This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:
 
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
  /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
  /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
  /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
 
  sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely
  unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the
  src.
  This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make
  DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz
  containing the above files.  If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy
  installing on the part of the Makefile.  Or is there a reason that I
  should exclude specific files that make install has included?
  
  yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and
  installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them
  (libtldl in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample
  package files for e17 remove any .a's for modules
  same for evas and emotion.
  
  David Moore
 Raster,
 
 I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just 
 checked the official E modules installations, and they are also 
 installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module.

that's what i said. libtool insists on creating AND installing them. it's
partof libtool and how it decides to build and install things when it comes to
loadable modules. it ASSUMEs we will use libltdl to load them. libltdl CAN
load .a files if you also have a .la file - for systems that do
not support .so's. thankfully for us - we don't care about systems that do NOT
support .so's (if you have one - too bad. it probably should have died long
ago, like 20 years ago). libtool is just being utterly stupid with
regards to modules. packages should strip .a's and 'la's for modules out. unless
you know some magic hidden libtool foo that will stop this from happening? i
have yet to find/know of any.

 dh
 
 
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-21 Thread Christopher Michael
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 Hi,
 
 I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May.  The net and cpu
 modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're
 not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled).  I
 can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules
 which are there.  Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something
 wrong with these modules at the moment?
 
 thanks,
 David Moore
David,

I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work 
fine. They show up in my modules list here.

If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from 
~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] 
and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so 
that they show in your list.

devilhorns

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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-21 Thread David Moore
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Christopher Michael wrote:
 David Moore wrote:

 Hi,

 I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May.  The net and cpu
 modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're
 not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled).  I
 can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules
 which are there.  Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something
 wrong with these modules at the moment?

 thanks,
 David Moore
 David,
 
 I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work 
 fine. They show up in my modules list here.
 
 If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from 
 ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] 
 and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so 
 that they show in your list.
 
 devilhorns

Hi,


Thanks for your help on this.  My .e/e/modules/ directory is empty.  I
run Arch Linux, and I've set up all the libraries, applications and
modules as packages which pull from CVS, build packages and then install
under the prefix /opt/e17.  Below is the file list from the e17-net
module package:

/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/e-module-net.edj
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/module.desktop
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/net.edj
/opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/net.mo

This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working:

/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop
/opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj
/opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
/opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
/opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
/opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo
/opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo

The package manager makes sure old files get removed and so the files
would all be up to date.  There is a module.desktop under a modules/net
directory.  Any other ideas as to what could go wrong?

TIA,
David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-21 Thread David Moore
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Christopher Michael wrote:
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 Hi,

 I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May.  The net and cpu
 modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're
 not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled).  I
 can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules
 which are there.  Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something
 wrong with these modules at the moment?

 thanks,
 David Moore
 David,
 
 I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work 
 fine. They show up in my modules list here.
 
 If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from 
 ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] 
 and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so 
 that they show in your list.
 
 devilhorns
 

Based on oyur hint, I was able to solve this - there were a few old
module.desktop files hanging around the cvs directories which were
blocking updates, so this was my own stupidity.

thanks,
David Moore
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Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules

2007-05-21 Thread Christopher Michael
David Moore wrote:
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 Christopher Michael wrote:
 David Moore wrote:
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 Hi,

 I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May.  The net and cpu
 modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're
 not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled).  I
 can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules
 which are there.  Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something
 wrong with these modules at the moment?

 thanks,
 David Moore
 David,

 I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work 
 fine. They show up in my modules list here.

 If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from 
 ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] 
 and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so 
 that they show in your list.

 devilhorns

 
 Based on oyur hint, I was able to solve this - there were a few old
 module.desktop files hanging around the cvs directories which were
 blocking updates, so this was my own stupidity.
 
 thanks,
 David Moore
 
Your welcome :)

devilhorns


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