Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-05 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 15:20:41 (-0600),
Paul Johnson wrote:

 in either Eterm or Aterm after it has started, or by changing the
 environment for all programs in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.

/etc/sysconfig/i18n has more than just LANG.  Try altering the other
variables too.  Also make sure to change LC_ALL.

And please, if you can figure out the magical iconv() invocation that
will convert the UTF-8 to something which can be printed by
XmbDrawString(), I will be most indebted to you.

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-05 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 22:20:46 (+0100),
Morten Nilsen wrote:

 how do I make the Escreen window bar less ugly? or even just hide it?

Ctrl-Shift-RightClick

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread James McCarthy
Aterm is an excellent Eterm alternative.  It's small and light and you
really won't notice too much of a difference.  It's mostly
configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you configure
through menus as well.  I'm not sure about the hyperlink part though.

On 11/3/05, Bu Bacoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Folks

  What kind of terminal do you use? ETerm and even any other do not support
 e17-transparency, as modules do, right? I like transparent terminal - it is
 the only app, where it makes some sense for me.

  Btw, do you have some terminal (instead of gnome-terminal) which would
 support a 'hyperlink highlighting/clicking' ? (when I have opened silc
 window and there is some link in it, I can click it.

  Thanks

  Happy E17ying :-D



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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Bu Bacoo wrote:

Hello Folks

What kind of terminal do you use? ETerm and even any other do not support
e17-transparency, as modules do, right? I like transparent terminal - it is
the only app, where it makes some sense for me.


as far as I know, there is no such thing, really.. modules have 
transparency to the desktop because they are a part of e itself


if you set the root image of the x server, the pseudo-transparency works 
like before (try using e17setroot before launching eterm)


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

James McCarthy wrote:

Aterm is an excellent Eterm alternative.  It's small and light and you
really won't notice too much of a difference.  It's mostly
configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you configure
through menus as well.  I'm not sure about the hyperlink part though.


I tried aterm, and fail to see a single thing about aterm that is 
superiour to eterm..

Care to elaborate?

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Berto
mrxvt ...y based on aterm i thin, but with tabsits very fast loading...and very configurable. I love to use it with tabs, and fake transparency (the tabs an the scrollbar too) Take a look at the doc, has a lot of keys for everythin.
http://materm.sourceforge.net/sorry for my English2005/11/3, Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 really won't notice too much of a difference.It's mostly configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you configure through menus as well.I'm not sure about the hyperlink part though.
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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Berto
I forgot: i love kuake convined with screen toohttp://www.nemohackers.org/kuake.phpIt works pretty well on e17...



Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Jesse Luehrs
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:42:55 +0100
Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 James McCarthy wrote:
  Aterm is an excellent Eterm alternative.  It's small and light and
  you really won't notice too much of a difference.  It's mostly
  configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you
  configure through menus as well.  I'm not sure about the hyperlink
  part though.
 
 I tried aterm, and fail to see a single thing about aterm that is 
 superiour to eterm..
 Care to elaborate?

It's smaller, less resource intensive, and doesn't include a lot of the
features that Eterm has that aren't necessary. There isn't really
anything better about it in terms of features, but I use it because
it's smaller, and supports the few features that I use (transparency,
configurable scrollback buffer size) and very few that I don't (menu
bar, along with most of the configuration options there), and uses about
half of the resources that Eterm does.

Jesse


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 14:01:11 (-0600),
Jesse Luehrs wrote:

 It's smaller, less resource intensive,

Neither of these is true.  Eterm's default theme is simply fancier.
Try the xterm or rxvt theme sometime.

 and doesn't include a lot of the features that Eterm has that aren't
 necessary.

Most features can be compiled out, and even if they're not, the blocks
of code for unused features are never even loaded into memory.  This
is a fallacy.

 uses about half of the resources that Eterm does.

That's what the aterm folks would like you to believe.  It's simply
not true.

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Berto wrote:

mrxvt

...y based on aterm i thin, but with tabsits very fast loading...and


eterm has near-instant load too


very configurable. I love to use it with tabs, and fake transparency (the
tabs an the scrollbar too) Take a look at the doc, has a lot of keys for
everythin.


I don't like tabs in my terminal emulator - it's just a waste of screen 
realestate (yes, you aren't forced to use them)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by lot of keys for everythin .. I 
want my terminal emulator to, well, emulate a terminal..


I just don't get why people have bright, detailed backgrounds - it's 
just disguisting :P


with e16, I used fake trans with a low gamma or contrast setting
since I started using e17, that turned black all on its own, and I've 
stuck to that..



http://materm.sourceforge.net/


I'll give it a quick spin..


sorry for my English


not a problem

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Morten Nilsen wrote:

James McCarthy wrote:


Aterm is an excellent Eterm alternative.  It's small and light and you
really won't notice too much of a difference.  It's mostly
configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you configure
through menus as well.  I'm not sure about the hyperlink part though.



I tried aterm, and fail to see a single thing about aterm that is 
superiour to eterm..

Care to elaborate?



on a related note, what is the default font of eterm?

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Jesse Luehrs
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:10:25 -0500
Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 14:01:11 (-0600),
 Jesse Luehrs wrote:
 
  It's smaller, less resource intensive,
 
 Neither of these is true.  Eterm's default theme is simply fancier.
 Try the xterm or rxvt theme sometime.

Those themes are smaller, but still not as small (according to ps at
least... however accurate that is).

  and doesn't include a lot of the features that Eterm has that aren't
  necessary.
 
 Most features can be compiled out, and even if they're not, the blocks
 of code for unused features are never even loaded into memory.  This
 is a fallacy.

I'm not just talking about code size here, but about what is available
by default as well (meaning what all I have to disable). I have no use
for the menu, or for the scrollbar (personally, I don't think they look
that great anyway), or background images, or anything like that, and to
get rid of them, I have to disable all of them. The xterm theme is the
closest to usable for me, but it's still not perfect, and configuring
it to be how I want it is far more effort than passing a few options to
aterm, whose defaults are far closer to what I want.

I'm not saying that Eterm is bad, because it really does seem like a
nice program with lots of cool features... it's just not what I am
looking for in a terminal emulator.

  uses about half of the resources that Eterm does.
 
 That's what the aterm folks would like you to believe.  It's simply
 not true.

This is just my experience from looking at what my system reports their
ram usage as. I can see now that half is a bit of an overstatement,
with the proper theme, but it's still less as far as I can tell. Is
there any reason why this would be inaccurate?

 Michael


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 15:01:58 (-0600),
Jesse Luehrs wrote:

 Those themes are smaller, but still not as small (according to ps at
 least... however accurate that is).

It isn't.

Michael

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Виктор Кожухаров
the only problem with eterm currently, is that it doesn't support utf-8.

On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:40 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
 On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 21:33:29 (+0100),
 Morten Nilsen wrote:
 
  on a related note, what is the default font of eterm?
 
 With --enable-auto-encoding, it varies.  Without it, it's fixed.
 
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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 23:07:55 (+0200),
?? ? wrote:

 the only problem with eterm currently, is that it doesn't support
 utf-8.

http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20050407

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Виктор Кожухаров
so, everyone who follows cvs commits knows that you certainly tried to
add it a year ago. I'm just stating what the only problem with eterm
seems to be. (apart from some bad rendering of ncurses apps on some
machines, but that probably isn't because of eterm).

On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 16:10 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
 On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 23:07:55 (+0200),
 ?? ? wrote:
 
  the only problem with eterm currently, is that it doesn't support
  utf-8.
 
 http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20050407
 
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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Michael Jennings wrote:

On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 21:33:29 (+0100),
Morten Nilsen wrote:



on a related note, what is the default font of eterm?



With --enable-auto-encoding, it varies.  Without it, it's fixed.

Michael



with some poking, I found this to be the one;

-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1

and, thus, these flags give aterm the same look as eterm;

-fg gray +sb -cr yellow -ib 5 -fn 
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1


or at least very close to it

and now for an unrelated question about eterm;

how do I make the Escreen window bar less ugly? or even just hide it?

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Paul Johnson

Morten Nilsen wrote:

Michael Jennings wrote:




and now for an unrelated question about eterm;

how do I make the Escreen window bar less ugly? or even just hide it?



 --buttonbar off


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Paul Johnson wrote:

Morten Nilsen wrote:

and now for an unrelated question about eterm;

how do I make the Escreen window bar less ugly? or even just hide it?



  --buttonbar off


no, that had no effect..
you do realize I'm talking about the one that comes up at the bottom of 
the term with the names of the different screens on it, and not the menu 
(which is long gone)?


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Berto
Well...I like mine the way it is...

http://www.tuxme.com/node/802?PHPSESSID=b8967047fd703e33b6fdb9252819ad89


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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Berto wrote:

Well...I like mine the way it is...

http://www.tuxme.com/node/802?PHPSESSID=b8967047fd703e33b6fdb9252819ad89



how do you read folder names with that setup?

here's what my e16 used to look like;
http://gallery.elksex.com/display/incoming/screen5.png;max_scale=0

and here my new e17 look;
http://gallery.elksex.com/display/incoming/e17.png;max_scale=0

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Berto
Its just the bad quality of the screenshot, its very clear here,
believe me, i hate not to see clearly just for a nice picture...

Cheers


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 Berto wrote:
  Well...I like mine the way it is...
 
  http://www.tuxme.com/node/802?PHPSESSID=b8967047fd703e33b6fdb9252819ad89
 

 how do you read folder names with that setup?

 here's what my e16 used to look like;
 http://gallery.elksex.com/display/incoming/screen5.png;max_scale=0

 and here my new e17 look;
 http://gallery.elksex.com/display/incoming/e17.png;max_scale=0

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Berto wrote:

Its just the bad quality of the screenshot, its very clear here,
believe me, i hate not to see clearly just for a nice picture...


maybe you should stop using jpeg then?

png is nice and crisp

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Re: [e-users] Terminal

2005-11-03 Thread Morten Nilsen

Michael Jennings wrote:

the only problem with eterm currently, is that it doesn't support
utf-8.


http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20050407


The chief reason I want utf-8 support in eterm is, in fact, to be able 
to paste non-ascii strings from mozilla


The problem is that mozilla doesn't export anything but utf-8 to the 
paste buffer


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Re: [e-users] Terminal that renders to background canvas

2005-08-19 Thread Hisham Mardam Bey
On 8/16/05, Mike Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it possible for a terminal application to render to E17's background
 canvas, just like the modules do, in order to provide a simulation of
 the fake transparency we've all come to know and love (or at least
 immortalize in screenshots)? If so, are there any plans for Eterm (for
 Example) to support this? Or am I completely off-base?
 

You need one of two things:

1) The terminal being a module
2) Using something like Evoak on the E17 desktop.

Since I think (2) isnt going to happen anytime soon, I'll tell you a
bit about (1). The terminal needs to be an evas smart object or a
complete module that renders everything on the desktop. Currently,
Enterminus can do that (its a smart object so you can stick it in a
module and it works) but its terminal emulation code still needs a
good amount of work.

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Re: [e-users] Terminal that renders to background canvas

2005-08-19 Thread Mike Russo



Enterminus crashes with a floating point exception, running through gdb 
reveals what looks like a divide by zero condition:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/e17/proto/enterminus $ DISPLAY=:0 gdb 
src/bin/enterminus

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(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/src/e17/proto/enterminus/src/bin/enterminus
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1224583472 (LWP 31684)]

Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception.
[Switching to Thread -1224583472 (LWP 31684)]
0x0804cb66 in term_smart_resize (o=0x8064de0, w=65529, h=65517) at 
smart.c:196

196num_chars_w = w / term-font.width;
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0804cb66 in term_smart_resize (o=0x8064de0, w=65529, h=65517)
  at smart.c:196
#1  0x0804d237 in enterm_cb_resize (ee=0x805d600) at enterm.c:31
#2  0xb7faec56 in _ecore_evas_free () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore_evas.so.1
#3  0x in ?? ()
#4  0xfff9 in ?? ()
#5  0xffed in ?? ()
#6  0xb7fb5634 in _ecore_evas_fps_rendertime_mmap ()
 from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore_evas.so.1
#7  0xb7b2211c in ?? () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore.so.1
#8  0xb7faeaf8 in _ecore_evas_free () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore_evas.so.1
#9  0x0805d890 in ?? ()
#10 0xb7b1a20c in _ecore_event_call () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore.so.1
#11 0x0804f320 in ?? ()
#12 0x0805b858 in ?? ()
#13 0x0001 in ?? ()
#14 0xb7b2211c in ?? () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore.so.1
#15 0x in ?? ()
#16 0x in ?? ()
#17 0x0001 in ?? ()
#18 0xb7b1dad3 in _ecore_main_shutdown () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore.so.1
#19 0xb7fcd68c in ?? ()
#20 0x in ?? ()
---Type return to continue, or q return to quit---
#21 0x0001 in ?? ()
#22 0x0001 in ?? ()
#23 0x in ?? ()
#24 0x in ?? ()
#25 0x080489ac in ?? ()
#26 0x0804ed5c in ?? ()
#27 0xbc7a6c3c in ?? ()
#28 0x41d0c187 in ?? ()
#29 0x in ?? ()
#30 0x3f79cbc0 in ?? ()
#31 0xb7b1d965 in _ecore_main_shutdown () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libecore.so.1
#32 0x0804d270 in enterm_cb_title_change (data=0x4, type=16, ev=0xfff9)
  at enterm.c:45
Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)


Oh well. ;-)

Hisham Mardam Bey wrote:


On 8/16/05, Mike Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Is it possible for a terminal application to render to E17's background
canvas, just like the modules do, in order to provide a simulation of
the fake transparency we've all come to know and love (or at least
immortalize in screenshots)? If so, are there any plans for Eterm (for
Example) to support this? Or am I completely off-base?

   



You need one of two things:

1) The terminal being a module
2) Using something like Evoak on the E17 desktop.

Since I think (2) isnt going to happen anytime soon, I'll tell you a
bit about (1). The terminal needs to be an evas smart object or a
complete module that renders everything on the desktop. Currently,
Enterminus can do that (its a smart object so you can stick it in a
module and it works) but its terminal emulation code still needs a
good amount of work.

 




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Random quote of the last-time-I-ran-bash:
For large values of one, one equals two, for small values of two.



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Re: [e-users] Terminal that renders to background canvas

2005-08-18 Thread Michael Jennings
On Monday, 15 August 2005, at 17:26:34 (-0400),
Mike Russo wrote:

 Is it possible for a terminal application to render to E17's
 background canvas, just like the modules do, in order to provide a
 simulation of the fake transparency we've all come to know and love
 (or at least immortalize in screenshots)? If so, are there any plans
 for Eterm (for Example) to support this?

In order:  probably and eventually.  :-)

Michael

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