Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Friday 13 May 2011 00:50:04 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:54 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i use) i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra complexity, rules out things like pointer/sloppy foucs and i argue has no usability gain over menus inside a window. sure you can kind of argue fitts law (ie just slide mouse up to top of screen), but you still have to place the mouse horizontally at the right menu location anyway and then u still need to navigate to the right item. the mouse now also has to travel further to the top of the screen AND the menu bar is visually detached from the application it belongs to and only 1 is visible at a time, these negating any possible gains in screen realestate and fitts law imho. i'm sure this is up for debate, but i am not seeing a justification of the work involved to support it nor the loss of other time saving features (pointer focus). +1 I'd rather have the menu bar of the application on the application window itself and also much prefer sloppy focus. With larger and larger/wider screens when moving from the bottom right to the top left is soon becoming a session in Wii-Fit on its own! So I'll vote against making e an applemac me- too. -- Regards, Mick -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:03:19 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: On Friday 13 May 2011 00:50:04 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:54 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i use) i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra complexity, rules out things like pointer/sloppy foucs and i argue has no usability gain over menus inside a window. sure you can kind of argue fitts law (ie just slide mouse up to top of screen), but you still have to place the mouse horizontally at the right menu location anyway and then u still need to navigate to the right item. the mouse now also has to travel further to the top of the screen AND the menu bar is visually detached from the application it belongs to and only 1 is visible at a time, these negating any possible gains in screen realestate and fitts law imho. i'm sure this is up for debate, but i am not seeing a justification of the work involved to support it nor the loss of other time saving features (pointer focus). +1 I'd rather have the menu bar of the application on the application window itself and also much prefer sloppy focus. With larger and larger/wider screens when moving from the bottom right to the top left is soon becoming a session in Wii-Fit on its own! So I'll vote against making e an applemac me- too. well it'd never be a default in e (over my dead stinking rotting corpse... or unless you can convince me it is actually better - been there. used it in my amiga days. it had the menu bar there too. it's not better. it's at best just different but most likely worse for usability). i would not be against supporting it - but it'd be an option, not a default, AND... that means to support it someone has to implement the support... and i see no justification for doing the work... and trust me.. i'm not bored and looking for things to do... i have plenty of things to do of much higher priority. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:03:19 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: On Friday 13 May 2011 00:50:04 Carsten Haitzler wrote: ... understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra ... +1 I'd rather have the menu bar of the application on the application window itself and also much prefer sloppy focus. With larger and larger/wider screens when moving from the bottom right to the top left is soon becoming a session in Wii-Fit on its own! So I'll vote against making e an applemac me- too. well it'd never be a default in e (over my dead stinking rotting corpse... or LOL anyway, i said, just curious, in some environments it could not be so bad (here it would totally unusable anyway ;D) unless you can convince me it is actually better - been there. used it in my amiga days. it had the menu bar there too. me too :) -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:54 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i use) i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra complexity, rules out things like pointer/sloppy foucs and i argue has no usability gain over menus inside a window. sure you can kind of argue fitts law (ie just slide mouse up to top of screen), but you still have to place the mouse horizontally at the right menu location anyway and then u still need to navigate to the right item. the mouse now also has to travel further to the top of the screen AND the menu bar is visually detached from the application it belongs to and only 1 is visible at a time, these negating any possible gains in screen realestate and fitts law imho. i'm sure this is up for debate, but i am not seeing a justification of the work involved to support it nor the loss of other time saving features (pointer focus). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
Gadget Start. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:18 AM, PaulTT pau...@gmail.com wrote: is there some module out there, letting the user put applications menu on a shelf, using it like a bar on the top side of the desktop, similar to new gnome or osx style -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- ~Jeff Hoogland Thoughts on Technology http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/, Tech Blog Bodhi Linux http://bodhilinux.com/, Enlightenment for your Desktop -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:18:46 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: is there some module out there, letting the user put applications menu on a shelf, using it like a bar on the top side of the desktop, similar to new gnome or osx style no. none. (ie splitting out the apps actual menu bar like macos) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
maybe drawer module? but as far as i can remember, is not compiling properly 2011/5/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:18:46 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: is there some module out there, letting the user put applications menu on a shelf, using it like a bar on the top side of the desktop, similar to new gnome or osx style no. none. (ie splitting out the apps actual menu bar like macos) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). maybe drawer module? but as far as i can remember, is not compiling properly 2011/5/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:18:46 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: is there some module out there, letting the user put applications menu on a shelf, using it like a bar on the top side of the desktop, similar to new gnome or osx style no. none. (ie splitting out the apps actual menu bar like macos) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
