[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S EV Power-trip e-Journeys from Mexico to Alaska
http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/power-trip-journey-in-electric-car-ends-in-fairbanks/article_777cbc08-21f4-11e4-86d0-001a4bcf6878.html Power trip: Journey in electric car ends in Fairbanks By Matt Buxton August 12, 2014 [images / Matt Buxton/News-Miner http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/newsminer.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/c5/9c53f758-21f4-11e4-b13d-001a4bcf6878/53e9c6410841f.image.jpg Tesla Model S - Guy Hall, a electric car advocate and president of the [Sacramento, CA] Electric Vehicle Association, recently completed a trip in his Tesla Model S that brought him from the U.S.-Mexico border to Fairbanks poses outside the [Trans-Alaska] Pipeline on Aug. 11, 2014. http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/newsminer.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/9e/99e2d4a8-21f4-11e4-bd98-001a4bcf6878/53e9c64d471f9.image.jpg ] FAIRBANKS — A press of the pedal and everyone in Californian Guy Hall’s Tesla Model S was pressed into their seats, with what electric car enthusiasts call a “Tesla Grin” spreading across their faces, as the red electric car went from 0 to 60 in a matter of seconds. Hall, an advocate for electric cars and president of the Sacramento Electric Vehicle Association, completed the trip from the U.S.-Mexico border near Yuma, Arizona, to Fairbanks this week, showing off the high-tech electric car along the way. “It’s a lot of fun,” he said. “The moment you feel that instant torque — it’s like a sports car and can go 0 to 60 in about 4 seconds — they call it the Tesla grin.” Hall, a 30-year employee of Hewlett-Packard, was by no means much of a car enthusiast, owning a long series of Ford Tauruses most of his life, but he was a techie. And as an aficionado of high-tech gadgets, electric cars were intriguing. Now his family owns one of each of the auto industry’s leading electric cars: a Chevrolet Volt, a Nissan Leaf and the Tesla. Not only do electric vehicles save big on fuel bills — in the Lower 48, charging amounts to about $1 per gallon equivalent or about $2 in Fairbanks by Hall’s estimations — but the Tesla S also brings some big changes to cars from everything related to comfort to safety. “What surprises me is that with most tech businesses, you try to innovate on one or two dimensions, but they’ve innovated on everything and seem to have kept it all in control. It just boggles my mind,” he said. There’s no traditional key to open or start the car, just a keychain that the vehicle senses when you get close. You can also change the car’s handling, from a stiff sports car feel to the noodly “comfort” handling, its suspension all from the an oversized touch pad that’s replaced the traditional knobs of a car’s console. Hall made the trip, which he’s dubbed as the T5 (Tesla Tijuana to Tundra Tour), in about 17 days, stopping to recharge the vehicle’s batteries and give rides to locals along the way. The Tesla model that Hall drove has a range of about 250 miles and charging times can range from 20 minutes on high-power chargers to a day on a regular wall socket. It wasn’t the easiest trip without the availability of the somewhat regular electric car charging stations along Lower 48 highways, but Hall had done his homework. “I sat down with a pad of paper and figured I could do it,” he said. “I also had plan Bs and plan Cs, just in case.” Along the Yukon, where there are long stretches without gas stations, Hall would either recharge at RV parks or find mechanic or welding shops that had 220-volt power plugins to charge his car, trading rides in the sporty car for electricity. Hall said that while it took him longer to get to Fairbanks than it would have in a gasoline-fueled car, it gave him an opportunity to explore Canada and Alaska in a way that he wouldn’t have been able to if he was speeding through. “It slows you down to take a break,” he said. “Sometimes it’s about an hour, but you get a chance to meet people. I’ve met some marvelously nice people here.” Hall said he plans to depart Fairbanks this afternoon to return home to Sacramento, but said that he hopes to make the T5 trip into a tradition among other electric car enthusiasts, handing off a trophy to drivers who can make it in record time. [© newsminer.com] ... http://www.saceva.org/ Sacramento Electric Vehicle Association http://green.autoblog.com/2014/08/16/tesla-model-s-driver-goes-from-mexico-to-alaska-loves-the-exper/ Tesla Model S driver goes from Mexico to Alaska, loves the experience By John Beltz Snyder Aug 16th 2014 [images / Tesla http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/1a13d291df347ae75bf2194004aa4353/200579166/model-s-on-road1280x1024g.jpg tesla model s http://green.autoblog.com/photos/tesla-model-s-8/#photo-100423/ gallery ] Seeing The Benefits Of Needing To Stop For A Charge As range anxiety lessens, and more chargers are installed along major roadways, increasing numbers of people are taking road trips in their electric vehicles. The Tesla Model S in
[EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
% Simple dealer provided stickers will do (like for HOV lane access). The
law does not apply to fcvs: since when do fcvs not have high-voltages? ...
This ignorantly badly written, and poorly implemented 'separate
not-equal' law incorrectly labels EVs hybrids as extraordinarily
dangerous, as if volatile chemical-fuel is not, plus puts the burden of
responder-safety on the driver at an additional cost. This issue is a
vehicle-manufacturer responsibility: to each have common locations for
high-voltage wiring, like the way fuel-tanks and fuel lines are commonly
located on ice %
http://www.abc6.com/story/26316308/new-license-plate-may-help-save-lives
New license plate may help save lives
Aug 19, 2014 By Alana Cerrone
A new license plate may help protect first responders from accidentally
electrocuting themselves during accident rescues involving electric
vehicles.
The bill signed into law by Gov. Lincoln Chafee last month requires electric
vehicle owners to have a special license plate so that first responders,
emergency crews, and even two truck drivers know it is electric.
Knowing if a vehicle is electric will help crews decide which instrument is
appropriate to use to rescue people trapped inside.
“It is not very well-known that rescue workers can get electrocuted from
using jaws of life on an electric vehicle, but when that information came to
light I wanted us to be proactive about the issue,” said Senator Edward
O'Neill, who sponsored the law.
The law applies to electric and also hybrid vehicle owners.
[© WLNE-TV 2014]
...
http://www.valleybreeze.com/2014-08-06/woonsocket-north-smithfield/state-creates-new-plates-electric-vehicles#.U-eA4mOTKHM
State creates new plates for electric vehicles
8/6/2014
...
http://insideevs.com/rhode-island-issues-special-license-plates-electric-vehicles-protect-first-responders/
... create special license plates for electric vehicles? ...
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28152-Are-EV-License-Plates-Dangerous-to-Occupants-of-a-Tesla
Thread: Are EV License Plates Dangerous to Occupants of a Tesla
2014-03-01
...
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/SenateText14/S2120A.pdf
2014-S 2120 SUBSTITUTE A ...
'a registration plate for motor vehicles powered in whole or in part by a
storage battery.'
...
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/pressrelease/_layouts/RIL.PressRelease.ListStructure/Forms/DisplayForm.aspx?List=c8baae31-3c10-431c-8dcd-9dbbe21ce3e9ID=10091
7/31/2014 Electric vehicle license plates will protect first responders,
rescue service workers
STATE HOUSE ... The special registration plate will apply to hybrids in
addition to electric vehicles. Senators Marc A. Cote (D-Dist. 24,
Woonsocket, North Smithfield), Paul W. Fogarty (D-Dist. 23, Glocester,
Burrillville, North Smithfield), Nicholas D. Kettle (R-Dist. 21, Coventry,
Foster, Scituate, West Greenwich) and James E. Doyle II (D-Dist. 8,
Pawtucket) cosponsored the legislation.
For more information, contact:
Brenna McCabe, Publicist
State House Room 20
Providence, RI 02903
(401) 222-2457
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Venturi to realize 600+ km/h electric speed record
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153237
Julie Wrigley’s sleek, chewing-gum red Tesla-S EV
http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-norway-436-model-s-sedans-are-being-delivered-monthly-teslas-largest-overseas-market-1658946
436 Tesla-S Delivered Monthly In Norway it’s Largest Overseas Market
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/08/14/missoula-family-seeks-record-longest-bike-ride/14087677/
Missoula family seeks record for longest Electric bicycle ride
http://news.investors.com/081214-712980-tesla-adds-station-in-france.htm
Tesla adds 50th Euro Supercharger EVSE @Narbonne, France
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Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
8 years or UNLIMITED miles as of last week - retroactive and transferrable, too! MW On 20 Aug 2014, at 02:50, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: Peri, Watch the video, You Tube title is: eSamba EP 29 TESLA style fuses The many parallel packs in series depend upon each pack not having multiple failures, one or two in each pack are no problem there are about 50 cells in each parallel group. If a catastrophic failure should happen and a cascade of the cell fuses blow, the car just stops and you get the battery pack replaced under warranty the first 8 years or 100,000 miles. (in a TESLA) Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder:**EV Tech. Institute Inc.* *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)* *Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * *NEW You Tube Video link: *http://youtu. be/Pz9-TZtySh8 http://youtu.%20be/Pz9-TZtySh8 On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So, if you want individual fusible cells, then a bus bar on both terminals won't work. One side can be spot welded but the other side needs the fuse wire - or something. Not sure how that could be done in this model. Does Tesla really have each cell fused? Part of my idea is to make each module easy to connect and swap out, if needed. Also easy to pack into a tray. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 19-Aug-14 5:29:00 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot - The cells in the TESLA pack are a group in parallel then the parallel groups are wired in series for the desired voltage, The key to pack survival when a cell fails is a fusible link (Correctly sized short length of wire) in series with each and every cell then any malfunctioning cell is isolated when the link opens. (Reducing pack capacity about 2%.) Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder: **EV Tech. Institute Inc.* *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)* *Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * * NEW You Tube Video link: *http://youtu. be/Pz9-TZtySh8 http://youtu.%20be/Pz9-TZtySh8 On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Peri Hartman via EV wrote: To take this to a traction pack, I would want to try a similar design where strings of cells are spot welded in parallel for the desired current load. As I understand it, you can put as many in parallel as you want and control them with a single BMS unit. Well... There are those that believe this, and it is certainly done. However, think about failure modes: Sooner or later, a cell will fail. What happens if one of the cells in parallel shorts? All the rest will dump all their stored energy into that one shorted cell. That is very likely to result in a burst cell or even a fire. And packed like this, once one cell starts burning, it can set the rest on fire. When laptop manufacturers connected their cells directly in parallel, there were some dramatic failures and fires. Since then, reputable manufacturers are using cells with *internal* fuses and safety devices. Hobbyists and el-cheapo manufacturers aren't likely to use such cells. -- The principal defect in a storage battery is its modesty. It does not spark, creak, groan, nor slow down under overload. It does not rotate. It works where it is, and will silently work up to the point of destruction without making any audible or visible signs of distress. -- Electrical Review, 1902 -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ attachments/20140819/de521326/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:
Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
Dave, I have a pack like that, 16 cells, 48V. It is heavy and not packed tight as it uses the plastic frames available for these cells. But the threaded holes in the stamped end plates seem to be well made and can take real torque. If they are nickel that explains their high cost. I always assumed they were copper with Ni plating. Weight, cost, and low energy and pack density are probably cons, but maybe the plastc boxed CALB and TS, etc. are similar? I guess nothing is as dense as the laptop style cells. The small packs I have are not specified well, so I can't compare datasheet items. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:35 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 19 Aug 2014 at 21:18, Jay Summet via EV wrote: The contact/connection may not be as good as bolt on terminals, but for 18650 cells you could probably get away with it without excessive force. Flashlights do it all the time... Does anyone here have experience with the screw-terminal 38140 cells offered by Headway (and perhaps some of their less well known Chinese competitors)? Their vendors even offer complete kits with hardware for grouping and linking cells. But then you might be falling back into the problems of loosening and corroding connections, I suppose. They also seem to be a bit more expensive per watt-hour than some other LiFePO4 cells, but that might be because I don't know where to look. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140820/5d50948b/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
Jay Summet via EV wrote: The eSamba guy is using a piece of fuse wire to each cell, so that if a single cell shorts out, the fuse wire blows... That's a good plan. Do you know how he tested it, to be sure the fuse wire is sized right to actually work? -- The principal defect in a storage battery is its modesty. It does not spark, creak, groan, nor slow down under overload. It does not rotate. It works where it is, and will silently work up to the point of destruction without making any audible or visible signs of distress. -- Electrical Review, 1902 -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
Jay Summet via EV wrote: Why not pressure fit? ...Flashlights do it all the time... Think about how many times you've had bad connections and flickering light, had to shake it or clean the contacts to get it to work. You can make a good electrical connection with pressure alone, but it takes a *lot* of pressure. Corrosion is another problem. The contact surface is completely exposed, and subject to moisture, dirt, and the resulting corrosion. It would help to gold plate the connections, but who would want to spend the money? -- The principal defect in a storage battery is its modesty. It does not spark, creak, groan, nor slow down under overload. It does not rotate. It works where it is, and will silently work up to the point of destruction without making any audible or visible signs of distress. -- Electrical Review, 1902 -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
Oddly, the link to the bill referred to includes none of the language being
discussed in some of the articles.
The language only authorizes the state motor vehicles folks to makes
regulations for special plates. It doesn't even requires them to do so.
Arguably it could apply to at least some FCEVs, as some are hybrids.
For example, yesterday I saw a truck that was a battery dominant FCEV hybrid.
But I agree with your concerns about where the burden seems to be placed, at
least according to the articles.(the bill language you linked doesn't do that -
it's left to their DMV to decide).
I wonder why they don't just use stickers as is done for CNG and H2 fueled
vehicles.
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On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
% Simple dealer provided stickers will do (like for HOV lane access). The
law does not apply to fcvs: since when do fcvs not have high-voltages? ...
This ignorantly badly written, and poorly implemented 'separate
not-equal' law incorrectly labels EVs hybrids as extraordinarily
dangerous, as if volatile chemical-fuel is not, plus puts the burden of
responder-safety on the driver at an additional cost. This issue is a
vehicle-manufacturer responsibility: to each have common locations for
high-voltage wiring, like the way fuel-tanks and fuel lines are commonly
located on ice %
http://www.abc6.com/story/26316308/new-license-plate-may-help-save-lives
New license plate may help save lives
Aug 19, 2014 By Alana Cerrone
A new license plate may help protect first responders from accidentally
electrocuting themselves during accident rescues involving electric
vehicles.
The bill signed into law by Gov. Lincoln Chafee last month requires electric
vehicle owners to have a special license plate so that first responders,
emergency crews, and even two truck drivers know it is electric.
Knowing if a vehicle is electric will help crews decide which instrument is
appropriate to use to rescue people trapped inside.
“It is not very well-known that rescue workers can get electrocuted from
using jaws of life on an electric vehicle, but when that information came to
light I wanted us to be proactive about the issue,” said Senator Edward
O'Neill, who sponsored the law.
The law applies to electric and also hybrid vehicle owners.
[© WLNE-TV 2014]
...
http://www.valleybreeze.com/2014-08-06/woonsocket-north-smithfield/state-creates-new-plates-electric-vehicles#.U-eA4mOTKHM
State creates new plates for electric vehicles
8/6/2014
...
http://insideevs.com/rhode-island-issues-special-license-plates-electric-vehicles-protect-first-responders/
... create special license plates for electric vehicles? ...
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28152-Are-EV-License-Plates-Dangerous-to-Occupants-of-a-Tesla
Thread: Are EV License Plates Dangerous to Occupants of a Tesla
2014-03-01
...
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/SenateText14/S2120A.pdf
2014-S 2120 SUBSTITUTE A ...
'a registration plate for motor vehicles powered in whole or in part by a
storage battery.'
...
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/pressrelease/_layouts/RIL.PressRelease.ListStructure/Forms/DisplayForm.aspx?List=c8baae31-3c10-431c-8dcd-9dbbe21ce3e9ID=10091
7/31/2014 Electric vehicle license plates will protect first responders,
rescue service workers
STATE HOUSE ... The special registration plate will apply to hybrids in
addition to electric vehicles. Senators Marc A. Cote (D-Dist. 24,
Woonsocket, North Smithfield), Paul W. Fogarty (D-Dist. 23, Glocester,
Burrillville, North Smithfield), Nicholas D. Kettle (R-Dist. 21, Coventry,
Foster, Scituate, West Greenwich) and James E. Doyle II (D-Dist. 8,
Pawtucket) cosponsored the legislation.
For more information, contact:
Brenna McCabe, Publicist
State House Room 20
Providence, RI 02903
(401) 222-2457
For all EVLN posts use:
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http://www.electricautosport.com/2014/08/venturi-realise-600-kmh-electric-speed-record/
Venturi to realize 600+ km/h electric speed record
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153237
Julie Wrigley’s sleek, chewing-gum red Tesla-S EV
http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-norway-436-model-s-sedans-are-being-delivered-monthly-teslas-largest-overseas-market-1658946
436 Tesla-S Delivered Monthly In Norway it’s Largest Overseas Market
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/08/14/missoula-family-seeks-record-longest-bike-ride/14087677/
Missoula family seeks record for longest Electric bicycle ride
http://news.investors.com/081214-712980-tesla-adds-station-in-france.htm
Tesla adds 50th Euro Supercharger EVSE @Narbonne, France
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Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
On 08/20/2014 10:22 AM, Lee Hart wrote: Jay Summet via EV wrote: The eSamba guy is using a piece of fuse wire to each cell, so that if a single cell shorts out, the fuse wire blows... That's a good plan. Do you know how he tested it, to be sure the fuse wire is sized right to actually work? I believe he had a discharge tester and turned up the amps output until the wire flashedaround 10 amps Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] CALB bolt terminals getting hot -
I believe he also used insulated wire to contain any molten copper beads from getting loose. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 08/20/2014 10:22 AM, Lee Hart wrote: Jay Summet via EV wrote: The eSamba guy is using a piece of fuse wire to each cell, so that if a single cell shorts out, the fuse wire blows... That's a good plan. Do you know how he tested it, to be sure the fuse wire is sized right to actually work? I believe he had a discharge tester and turned up the amps output until the wire flashedaround 10 amps Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140820/8baf0664/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla-S EV Power-trip e-Journeys from Mexico to Alaska
They must have really improved the Alaska highway if it's now passable in a Tesla. BTW, slowing down and enjoying the trip is a concept that's quite familiar to owners of VW busses! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140820/b54c91c1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVDL biz: Hydrogen and fuel cells discussion
Although the original 1991 EVDL charter mentions fuel cells, the list decided by consensus nearly 20 years ago that we'd minimize discussion of H2 and fuel cells. IIRC, the main reason was that the discussion tended to create a fair bit of heat, but not very much light. That doesn't seem to have changed much. Not that I want to send anybody away, but if H2 and fuel cells are your only (or perhaps even your primary) interests in the EV world, maybe the EVDL isn't really the place for you. However, I'd just about wager that you have other EV-related interests too. Bring 'em on! But please save the H2 and fuel cell discussion for other more appropriate forums. Another perfectly reasonable way of handling H2 and fuel cell discussion is to immediately take those discussions off the list and continue them in private email. EVDL topics range pretty wide - and we like it that way - but this is one of a very small number of topics that we discourage. You'll find all the details in the EVDL conventions. Please read them. http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv For this specific issue, please see point 2f. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Other Hydrogen systems use the hydrogen as fuel for the ICE. I'm not aware of any of these, but would certainly be interested in learning about where it is being done. Regular gasoline engines are, for the most part, equally happy burning stoichiometric mixes of gasoline, propane, or hydrogen gas. Replace the fuel delivery system to provide that mixture to the combustion chambers and the rest will run just fine. There are caveats. Energy density is different, so power production differs. Compressibility of the gas mixtures differ, so you need different timing for optimum results. And hydrogen does really nasty things to metals and gaskets with prolonged exposure. But the basic mechanics are the same. Wikipedia has a good article for a starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle Note that this doesn't apply to diesel engines...but, with those, you can substitute jet fuel, kerosene, or olive oil for diesel with (similarly relatively) minor necessary modifications. Cheers, b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140820/a84e7a6f/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] video: Electric Motorcycle Breaks Traction and Pulls 192mph on the Dyno
see: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3d_1408492127 *Paul Wujek* http://goo.gl/3jnMdX ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
