[EVDL] EVLN: Eager Son 1.5k Mile Albuquerque, NMCorvallis, OR Tesla-S trip
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/father-son-share-love-of-electric-cars-with-corvallis/article_a96d0422-4114-11e4-9530-970b513d29ca.html
Father, son share love of electric cars with Corvallis
By Nathan Bruttell [20140921]
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Robert Eager, left, tells the story of driving his Tesla electric car from
New Mexico to Oregon. Several electric cars were on display at the Corvallis
Farmers Market on Saturday
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Onlookers take a look at Eager’s wheels
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Robert Eager drove nearly 1,500 miles from Albuquerque, N.M. to Corvallis in
his Tesla S and he never stopped at a gas station.
Robert and his father, Walt Eager of Corvallis, showed off their electric
vehicles at the Corvallis Farmers Market on Saturday morning to provide
voluntary demonstrations and give people rides in their own cars to show off
the benefits of electric vehicles in honor of National Drive Electric Week.
The pair were not paid or endorsed by any electric vehicle companies or
organizations. For the Eagers, the demonstrations are about a love of
engineering and looking out for future generations.
“It’s about my grandchildren and everyone else’s grandchildren,” said Walt,
an 83-year-old retired mechanical engineer. “We have to do this. We’re
dumping fossil fuel exhaust into the atmosphere here in Corvallis. This is
simply our concern about our society. We have to shift to electric because
we can’t keep doing things the way we have.”
Walt believes so much in the idea of sustainability that he and his wife,
Marielu, built a sustainable home in Corvallis. The couple influenced the
next generation as Robert has a degree in mechanical engineering from Oregon
State University and an electrical engineering degree from the University of
Mexico.
“We’re an engineering family,” Robert said. “I don’t know if it’s genetic
but we like tinkering with things and building things. What we’re doing is a
natural outgrowth of that. This is the next logical step in transportation.”
But it’s also fun to drive, Robert said.
“I was never a car enthusiast before I got this car,” he said, referring to
the Tesla S. “My enthusiasm about electric cars and that belief of it being
the right way to do things made me want to share my experiences with others
so they can get that personal insight into what it is. Personal experience
is what really drives people to embrace a new technology. With any new
technology, there is resistance because of the unknown. What we’re doing is
trying to break down those unknown barriers.”
[© 2014 Corvallis Gazette Times]
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[EVDL] EVLN: Kia Installs 1st L3 100kW CHAdeMO/SAE-CCS EVSE In Europe
'The additional cost of a dual-protocol/coupler L3 EVSE is a mere 5%' % We need to break-free from the ice-holes ... !More Power Scotty! % http://insideevs.com/kia-installs-first-100-kw-chademo-dc-fast-chargers-europe/ Kia Installs First 100 kW CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In Europe [20140922] by Mark Kane [images http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/100kw-dc-fast-charger-at-kme-hq-2.jpg Kia powers ahead with fastest EV chargers in Europe (100 kW CHAdeMO CCS) http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/100kw-dc-fast-charger-at-kme-hq-1.jpg ] Kia announced that it’s powering ahead with the fastest EV chargers in Europe. The automaker recently installed two 100 kW chargers at is European headquarters in Frankfurt. This fastest EV chargers in Europe is not exactly true as Tesla has 120/135 kW in Europe, however we must admit that the 100 kW for CHAdeMO itself is the highest level ever implemented to date. It’s promising to see that the CHAdeMO Alliance is upping the power. 100 kW compared to the more common 50 kW brings charging time of Kia Soul EV from empty to 80% from 33 to 25 minutes. Battery pack is 27 kWh. This is not the only infrastructure project from Kia, as in Europe Kia launched a special program for AC and DC charging points: “Following the installation of the new 100 kW DC chargers at the brand’s European headquarters, Kia plans to roll out a network of 233 charging stations across its Soul EV retailers and national sales organisations’ headquarters in Europe. This is in addition to the existing network of 140 EV charging stations already installed at various Kia distributors and dealers, giving consumers access to a total of 373 Kia charging stations. This is part of a wider plan from Kia to install a robust charging network around the world, as the Soul EV is to be sold globally.” We don’t know how many of them will be DC fast chargers, nor do we know how many of the DC units will be 100 kW. We know however the manufacturer of those chargers: It’s Signet Systems Inc, the Korean power electronics provider founded in 1998. Kia is silent about the fact that these chargers have second plug on the other side and it’s CCS combo plug (European version). Probably 100 kW too. Why is Kia including CCS? Does this mean something? Well, word is that Kia wants to leave nobody out and is here to support the entire EV community. Speaking at a special unveiling ceremony to celebrate the launch of this new technology in Europe, Michael Cole, Chief Operating Officer, Kia Motors Europe, commented: “These are the first chargers in the region to offer so much power, and will help make the Soul EV a viable option for consumers when it goes on sale. Kia sees battery electric vehicles as a key solution for future mobility, and we will continue to invest in this technology.” In the fourth quarter of 2014, Kia Soul EV should be available in 16 countries in Europe. “Having launched the Kia Ray EV in the domestic Korean market, the Soul EV is the first globally-sold EV from the brand, spearheading the next generation of Kia’s range of battery electric vehicles. The Kia Soul EV is due to go on sale in 16 European countries in the fourth quarter of 2014 and will benefit from Kia’s unique 7-Year, 150,000 km warranty, making it the only electric vehicle available with such a comprehensive warranty.” “The Soul EV has class-leading battery energy density of 200 Wh/kg and is powered by an 81.4 kW electric motor, producing 285 Nm of torque, and a high-capacity 27 kWh lithium-ion polymer battery pack located beneath the cabin. The new model, which can accelerate from 0 to 100 kph (62 mph) in under 12 seconds and reach a top speed of 145 kph (90 mph), has a driving range of up to 212 km (131 miles).” [© 2014 Inside EVs] http://www.autoevolution.com/news/kia-installs-superchargers-in-europe-for-the-soul-ev-86937.html Kia Installs Superchargers in Europe for the Soul EV by Gabriel Brindusescu 23rd September 2014 [image http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/kia-installs-superchargers-in-europe-for-the-soul-ev-86937_1.jpg (EVSE) ] With the Kia Soul EV following go on sale in the following months on the European market, the automaker wants to increase its chances of success by installing a new network of supercharger stations for future owners to use. Currently, Kia Motors Europe installed two fast-charging stations right at its headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany. The 100 kW DC innovative charing point can fill-up an empty Soul EV battery to 80% in just 25 minutes, giving the electric car a range of 170 km (106 miles). “These are the first chargers in the region to offer so much power, and will help make the Soul EV a viable option for consumers when it goes on sale,” said Kia Motors Europe chief operating officer Michael Cole. “Kia sees battery electric vehicles as a key solution for future mobility, and we will continue to invest in this technology.” The network of
[EVDL] co-operation
Elon Musk says that America is the easiest place to get any new thing going, and he is probably right. There are more EV conversions in USA than anywhere else, and there are people doing it commercially. Why has this market not taken off? In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Someone could speak to Elon Musk, get some help, financially and in other ways. With other big players they are only interested in the money they can make out of it, but Elon aims to create an electric car industry, does not really care about the money for it's own sake, only for what it can do to make a difference to the world. We should work with this as much as possible as the people on here and Elon have this in common, something unique, it is too good an opportunity to miss. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?
I had a look at the headway factory interconnects, they are plated steel I think as they are magnetic, could be nickel but they were strongly attracted to a magnet so I think steel. 1mm thick, 20mm wide. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] co-operation
This is more of a philosophical discussion and may be off topic. It's worth mentioning that Elon Musk *does* want to make money and thinks this is a good way to do it. The industry will follow not out of the goodness of their heart but for all the profits they could make. Consumers will follow to get the best deal. Tesla does have some not so secret sauce on battery packaging and management so they could be a supplier to the hobbyist if they wanted to... but won't as it dilutes their brand as a car company. The high cost of entry continues to be a barrier to most consumers. If you are investing that money you need something that you know will last 10 years doing what you want it to do. I think we have cars now that indeed do this. It's just going to take some time for it to be cool enough for it to take off. I'll tell you one thing, if they do last 10 years that should be long enough to see another gas crunch and then everyone will know a person with an electric car that is less impacted. That will be quite a boost to the industry. Consumers wallets are an overriding force in most markets. sean On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:43 PM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Elon Musk says that America is the easiest place to get any new thing going, and he is probably right. There are more EV conversions in USA than anywhere else, and there are people doing it commercially. Why has this market not taken off? In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Someone could speak to Elon Musk, get some help, financially and in other ways. With other big players they are only interested in the money they can make out of it, but Elon aims to create an electric car industry, does not really care about the money for it's own sake, only for what it can do to make a difference to the world. We should work with this as much as possible as the people on here and Elon have this in common, something unique, it is too good an opportunity to miss. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sean Korb spk...@spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 The more you drive, the less intelligent you get --Miller Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -P. Picasso -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/c1c6c443/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] co-operation
- Original Message - From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [EVDL] co-operation In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior moment..my natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks. regards hg ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?
Nickel is ferromagnetic also. (Hence, Alnico magnets, the Ni being nickel.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) Nickel is right there with carbon steel in magnetic permeability, but it is much less susceptible to corrosion. Stamped steel with a nickel plate might be a good choice, provided the plating is done well. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I had a look at the headway factory interconnects, they are plated steel I think as they are magnetic, could be nickel but they were strongly attracted to a magnet so I think steel. 1mm thick, 20mm wide. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/b1552f80/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?
The mangnetic properties will still be coming from the steel, even though Nickel is magnetic, because typically plating is done as thin as possible, so the Nickel won't contribute much to the magnetic properties. for example, if you would have nickel plated copper or alu, it won't have much magnetic properties. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Nelson via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:38 PM To: Michael Ross; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I asked Jim of Headway-Headquarters what the end plates were and he said that they are nickel plated steel. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Nickel is ferromagnetic also. (Hence, Alnico magnets, the Ni being nickel.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) Nickel is right there with carbon steel in magnetic permeability, but it is much less susceptible to corrosion. Stamped steel with a nickel plate might be a good choice, provided the plating is done well. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I had a look at the headway factory interconnects, they are plated steel I think as they are magnetic, could be nickel but they were strongly attracted to a magnet so I think steel. 1mm thick, 20mm wide. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?
Yep, flux density is a bulk and dimensional property. Less material always means less contribution to the field that can be supported. I was talking about nickel as a substrate being notably ferromagnetic, not as a plating. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The mangnetic properties will still be coming from the steel, even though Nickel is magnetic, because typically plating is done as thin as possible, so the Nickel won't contribute much to the magnetic properties. for example, if you would have nickel plated copper or alu, it won't have much magnetic properties. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Nelson via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:38 PM To: Michael Ross; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I asked Jim of Headway-Headquarters what the end plates were and he said that they are nickel plated steel. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Nickel is ferromagnetic also. (Hence, Alnico magnets, the Ni being nickel.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) Nickel is right there with carbon steel in magnetic permeability, but it is much less susceptible to corrosion. Stamped steel with a nickel plate might be a good choice, provided the plating is done well. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I had a look at the headway factory interconnects, they are plated steel I think as they are magnetic, could be nickel but they were strongly attracted to a magnet so I think steel. 1mm thick, 20mm wide. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/738fa967/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] co-operation
Well, I am also a bit senior! Elon Musk wants to see an electric car industry develop. Current new EV's are the only way in which most people can get them, but they are too expensive for most people. The conversions could cost less, there are companies doing conversions but not main stream. Tesla (Elon) wants to see basically only electrics on the road, he could help many here to get into the main stream market and further his aims by achieving a critical mass. If there was an organisation that approved conversions, that would advertise on TV? Imagine, tell everyone they can buy a converted car that would be like new for a cheaper price, guaranteed by a trust fund (part of the sale price goes into the trust account), get the government to extend the rebates to these as well? Tesla could supply batteries/motors/controllers as a kit, mass produced they would be cheaper too. Put a tax on sale of 2nd hand ICE cars to fund the rebates on electric, the price of cars would fall too. This could be added to as well, all I have at the moment. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of HARSHA GODAVARI via EV Sent: Friday, 26 September 2014 8:58 a.m. To: EV Subject: Re: [EVDL] co-operation - Original Message - From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [EVDL] co-operation In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior moment..my natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks. regards hg ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] LiFePO4Charging
I thought I understood how to charge my 9 month old LiFeP04 but know I am doubting my process. So I will lay it out and see what feedback the battery gurus here can suggest. I have 132 60AH batteries in 2P66S. So I am going to call this 66 batteries at 120AH. Specs call for 3.6 volts max, so 66 in serial is 237.7 volts. I don't want to push them so I set the max voltage at 231volts charge which brings me to approx 3.5 volts per battery. Now in real life once it is at this 231 volts for the string each individual battery voltage is approx 3.34 volts +/- 0.10 volt. Even at the plus side of that each battery would be 3.44 volts or 227.04 volts for the string. So how is it that my charger string voltage is reading 334 - 335 volts while each battery is reading 3.34? Does it matter if the total voltage is over the max (66 X 231) as long as the individual voltage is less 3.5 volts? Should I set my BMS charge voltage cutoff higher and just leave each cell set at the 3.5 volts max. Hope I am making sense. Thanks in advance for any feedback, Buddy Mills mailto:buddymi...@cox.net buddymi...@cox.net Look mom, no gas. http://www.evalbum.com/2887 http://www.evalbum.com/2887 Disclaimer: No animals were harmed or killed in the process of writing this email. Any stories to the contrary are, for the most part, either fictional or greatly exaggerated. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/1b323f2f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4Charging
Read the voltage drop across the cables connecting the batteries. The missing volts equal the charge current multiplied by the total resistance in the connections and cables. Otherwise known as Ohms Law. You may have some bad connections. John Lindsay On 26 Sep 2014, at 10:50 am, Buddy Mills via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I thought I understood how to charge my 9 month old LiFeP04 but know I am doubting my process. So I will lay it out and see what feedback the battery gurus here can suggest. I have 132 60AH batteries in 2P66S. So I am going to call this 66 batteries at 120AH. Specs call for 3.6 volts max, so 66 in serial is 237.7 volts. I don't want to push them so I set the max voltage at 231volts charge which brings me to approx 3.5 volts per battery. Now in real life once it is at this 231 volts for the string each individual battery voltage is approx 3.34 volts +/- 0.10 volt. Even at the plus side of that each battery would be 3.44 volts or 227.04 volts for the string. So how is it that my charger string voltage is reading 334 - 335 volts while each battery is reading 3.34? Does it matter if the total voltage is over the max (66 X 231) as long as the individual voltage is less 3.5 volts? Should I set my BMS charge voltage cutoff higher and just leave each cell set at the 3.5 volts max. Hope I am making sense. Thanks in advance for any feedback, Buddy Mills mailto:buddymi...@cox.net buddymi...@cox.net Look mom, no gas. http://www.evalbum.com/2887 http://www.evalbum.com/2887 Disclaimer: No animals were harmed or killed in the process of writing this email. Any stories to the contrary are, for the most part, either fictional or greatly exaggerated. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/1b323f2f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] co-operation
How about getting a conversion to be recognized with the same incentives that are provided with most new EV sales? I converted my own car, at my own full cost, with no tax breaks or other incentives, and now can not even get a HOV sticker in California, even though the CA DMV and state BAR have both verified it as a pure electric vehicle and is fully exempt from any future smog certification. In the end, I did it for the savings in fuel costs, the silence, and it leaves me open to do whatever performance increases I want without any limitation (e.g. smog certification. It would be nice though to get to use that car pool lane ;-). from what I see, most EV buyers in CA are simply buying their way to a more convenient commute. Regards, Stephen On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: - Original Message - From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [EVDL] co-operation In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior moment..my natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks. regards hg ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/8b7ea142/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4Charging
That, or your meter is not very accurate in measuring the voltages. The voltage of all 66 series cells (plus cable losses) should add up exactly to the voltage that the charger is supplying. It has been said before that charging to 3.45V is sufficient, so about 228V, but make sure that all cells (esp the lowest and highest) do charge to the same voltage. Do you use a BMS to make sure all cells are at the same limit and stay below 3.5V each? Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of John Lindsay via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:29 PM To: Buddy Mills; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4Charging Read the voltage drop across the cables connecting the batteries. The missing volts equal the charge current multiplied by the total resistance in the connections and cables. Otherwise known as Ohms Law. You may have some bad connections. John Lindsay On 26 Sep 2014, at 10:50 am, Buddy Mills via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I thought I understood how to charge my 9 month old LiFeP04 but know I am doubting my process. So I will lay it out and see what feedback the battery gurus here can suggest. I have 132 60AH batteries in 2P66S. So I am going to call this 66 batteries at 120AH. Specs call for 3.6 volts max, so 66 in serial is 237.7 volts. I don't want to push them so I set the max voltage at 231volts charge which brings me to approx 3.5 volts per battery. Now in real life once it is at this 231 volts for the string each individual battery voltage is approx 3.34 volts +/- 0.10 volt. Even at the plus side of that each battery would be 3.44 volts or 227.04 volts for the string. So how is it that my charger string voltage is reading 334 - 335 volts while each battery is reading 3.34? Does it matter if the total voltage is over the max (66 X 231) as long as the individual voltage is less 3.5 volts? Should I set my BMS charge voltage cutoff higher and just leave each cell set at the 3.5 volts max. Hope I am making sense. Thanks in advance for any feedback, Buddy Mills mailto:buddymi...@cox.net buddymi...@cox.net Look mom, no gas. http://www.evalbum.com/2887 http://www.evalbum.com/2887 Disclaimer: No animals were harmed or killed in the process of writing this email. Any stories to the contrary are, for the most part, either fictional or greatly exaggerated. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/1b32 3f2f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] co-operation
I too have tried to get HOV stickers, but the agency providing the sticker have made a very narrow interpretation of the California laws, where it indicates that all qualified vehicles should get a sticker (clearly meaning: all zero emissions vehicles) the agency has changed their interpretation and enforcement to only give stickers to vehicles where the *manufacturer* of the vehicle has certified that the vehicle qualifies (meets a set of rules that they have defined). I am doubting whether this was an attempt to kill interest in EVs in general by making it unattractive (difficult) to qualify for HOV stickers, but it certainly causes all pre-existing and self-converted vehicles to become disqualified from HOV stickers, which sounds arbitrary. Anyway, the interpretation of the agency causes this and it seems that it is an incorrect interpretation of the law. Either a lot of pressure on this agency or a lawsuit might be needed to change this interpretation - or enough politicians that hear from their (EV driving) constituency and make it explicit to the agency that they must issue stickers to *all* EVs. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Stephen via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:06 PM To: HARSHA GODAVARI; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] co-operation How about getting a conversion to be recognized with the same incentives that are provided with most new EV sales? I converted my own car, at my own full cost, with no tax breaks or other incentives, and now can not even get a HOV sticker in California, even though the CA DMV and state BAR have both verified it as a pure electric vehicle and is fully exempt from any future smog certification. In the end, I did it for the savings in fuel costs, the silence, and it leaves me open to do whatever performance increases I want without any limitation (e.g. smog certification. It would be nice though to get to use that car pool lane ;-). from what I see, most EV buyers in CA are simply buying their way to a more convenient commute. Regards, Stephen On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: - Original Message - From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [EVDL] co-operation In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is in it's self not for profit but works to further the development of a market for converted cars which could be a fraction of the cost of the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going. Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior moment..my natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks. regards hg ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140925/8b7e a142/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
