[EVDL] EVDL uptime (was EVDL downtime)
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Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
It's been going for a long, long time. To mention just a few: Too many people die due to not wearing seatbelt = seatbelt laws. Ford Explorers roll over because of low tire pressure = mandated TPMS sensors in ALL car tires. Insurance companies paying out because so many cars are stollen = $$$ key with ID transducer chip. Record number of car companies being sued for record amounts for failure to recall cars with (known to them) defects = ability to reprogram car, including deactivating it if it might be unsafe. I'm all for Right to Repair! My dealership sucks big time. I want the right to chose who repairs my car AND I'm willing to suffer whatever consequences for not taking it to the dealership. I do as much of my own service as I can, I take whatever repairs I want to an independent mechanic of MY choice and I check over all the dealership only service because they screw things up more often than not. Big deal Tesla can deactivate the cars it built! The Tesla is just a computer designed to look and work like a car. If it's your car then reverse engineer the software hardware and make it your own! Heck, you could even go in and disable Tesla's ability to disable it. Or talk to it. No, it's not easy, pretty near impossible, but not impossible and some of it so simple as to be overlooked. It's just a game of cat and mouse. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EValert-Don-t-buy-a-salvaged-Tesla-EV-to-repair-drive-video-tp4671831p4671963.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Really efficient electric drive trains and what they are?
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When I saw the Stella it made growling ticking noises that stopped after the vehicle made some speed. They said these motors were 98 % efficient. I thought the run of the mill ADC motor with a Curtis controller was 90 % and brushless were a bit more efficient. Are these motors worth the 10's of thousands they cost? Are there motorcycle/bicycle hub motors we can buy that are very efficient? Each of the Stella motors are 20kw. Some bicycle hub motors are very powerful. 10 or more kw. Is there a loss of efficiency with these new powerful motors? What do I need to compliment a very aerodynamic body/go freeway speeds not suck the life out of my batteries? I'm certainly no motor expert, but my understanding is that PM motors only get that high efficiency at max power. The cogging effect (the field is always there) hurts efficiency everywhere else, and a road vehicle spends virtually all of its time NOT at max power. Other attractions of PM motors are their relatively light weight and ease of implementing regen. Those who have converted motorcycles have used these advantages, but some have come to realize they come at a cost. Light weight also means a greater tendency to overheat. Startup torque can be underwhelming. Series motors solve these issues nicely, and also coast freely. I don't want to re-start the coasting vs. regen debate, but coasting with no regen can be a pretty effective range enhancement. The other issue is hub motors. To my knowledge, no-one has made these work on an everyday on-road vehicle. The main concern is unsprung weight, which will be even more of an issue in a hyperlight car. If you want to give a try anyway I'd suggest scooter hub motors, because they have presumably been designed to survive the pounding an unsprung component gets. But the ones I've seen have been designed more for cost than efficiency. If it was me doing this, I'd probably go the Tropica route. Use small series motors near the drive wheels. Use trailing arm suspension and mount the motors at or near the trailing arm pivot, with belt or chain drive to the wheels. That should get you a solution close to what you're looking for with low risk. You're going to have your hands more than full with all the other aspects of this vehicle. Getting hub motors to work well is a whole 'nother project by itself. Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141005/25aa2bb2/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Really efficient electric drive trains and what they are?
On 5 Oct 2014 at 6:34, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Having 16kw of battery , 250+ mile range is counter productive in a solar car as raises drag, makes hill starting harder, and makes solar an afterthought really Stella was designed to win a solar race. It may be more passenger- friendly and street-friendly than most solar racers, but it's safe to say that most design decisions were mainly focused on going as far and as fast as possible, while meeting all the rules of the race. Those rules govern how much PV square area it has, how big a battery, I think how much motor power, and probably much more. I think all the rules are on the Solar Challenge website, if you're interested. If you were designing a highly efficient street EV, you wouldn't have to meet those race rules, so you probably would (should) do things differently. You might have other rules to follow though, such as those which would make it licensable in your state. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
via EV wrote: I gave myself an idea. Fill the battery boxes with a fluid. If the fluid is leaking after a wreck, the battery boxes have been compromised, so the car shouldn't be driven. That's not a bad idea. Batteries also need heating and cooling. Fluids are a good way to add or remove heat. So the fluid could be circulated with a pump, and heated/cooled as needed. That would avoid the loss in range in cold weather, and shortened life in hot climates. -- Failure is only the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. -- Henry Ford -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
Klaus via EV wrote: It's been going for a long, long time. To mention just a few: [snip]... It's just a game of cat and mouse. A great summary, Klaus. And the cat has all the teeth and claws (money, lawyers and lobbyists). You'll notice that car companies have gotten a lot smarter in dealing with safety concerns. They just used to deny they existed, and fight every change. Now, they find a fix where they can add cost and increase their profit margin. Problem: Cars are easy to steal. Cheap, worthless locks. Old way: Not our fault! We use the best locks $1 can buy! Blame the crooks. Blame the customer. New way: Aha; let's use $2 locks, and make them so nobody but us can make keys. And we'll sell them for $100 each. We'll run the independent keymakers out of business, monopolize the key market, and make big money! Bwuoo hah hah ha! So the automakers write the laws the way they like, and lobby and make campaign contributions to get Congress to implement them. I'm all for Right to Repair! My dealership sucks big time. Same here. When the dealerships have a monopoly on parts and repairs, they inevitably turn into STEALerships. They can do bad work at high prices, and you don't have any choice. Big deal Tesla can deactivate the cars it built! The Tesla is just a computer designed to look and work like a car. It's been said that Microsoft has the perfect racket. A monopoly on PC operating systems, so they can charge a fortune for buggy software with a fake warranty. You only *think* you own the program; in fact, they can upgrade it any time they like to kill it, and force you to buy a new version. I'm sure there are people in the auto industry that look hungrily at this business model, and want to apply it to cars. If it's your car then reverse engineer the software hardware and make it your own! You're calling for an automotive version of Linux. It could happen! :-) At some point, consumers will have to stand up and say, Enough is enough! Learn to fix your own car (at least for the simpler things). Lobby for laws to protect YOUR rights. Hopefully, even contribute to open source efforts to unlock some of the automaker's little profit engines. -- Failure is only the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. -- Henry Ford -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs
On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:39 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I wondered then, why has not some one written generic code to control the factory installed cpus. The embedded systems in cars are varied and lacking in uniformity, and they're difficult to access and there's not a lot you'd normally want to customize. We see a little bit of chipping for eking out a few more horsepower from engines and that sort of thing...but how much do you really need to customize the software that turns on your turn signal indicator or times the fade-in fade-out of the dome light when you open the door? The GEVCU project holds great promise for DIY electric vehicle conversions, but I have a difficult time imagining a future in which you'd see it or something similar in a new car from a major manufacturer, which would be the Linux parallel you're calling for. Yes, of course: I'd absolutely love to live in such a future; I just don't at all expect to actually see it come to pass. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141005/9e70c8a4/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs
Automotive CPU, MPU, ECU, etc. are often designed using in ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) and nowadays FPGAs (Field Gate Programmable Arrays). The software is not served up by a drive, or kept on a flashable EEPROM, it is literally built into the silicon. Or in the case of an FPGA it is mapped onto an all purpose Gate Array - essentially hardware, not software. The OS is real time, or deterministic, so there is less glitchiness and no need for fancy GUIs and such (there are certainly higher level GUIs like Teslas, but at the functional level (not the wants and needs of the operator level) of running the car, a deterministic control system is very attractive.). This is definitely the better way to operate equipment. It may require the original the development system to reprogram it. Or it can only be reprogrammed by replacing chips and boards - meaning it is very unlikely a DIYer will have the ability to hack it. Far more likely to strip off the salvaged control system and use more basic systems. Hard to see how a salvaged Tesla, with all its controls removed and DIY ones installed would be a satisfactory result. The OEM controls are the result of many thousands of hours of programming by some of the best minds silicon valley has to offer. The reality is, cars have achieved levels of sophistication and function with the Tesla,, and high end ICE, that scratch built alternatives night not be very popular. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Lee: You have taken words right out of my mouth :-) Thank you. Now I can put in my $0.02 A few days ago someone was complaining about the computerisation of cars, with control more more in the hands of the manufacturers/cops/hackers. I wondered then, why has not some one written generic code to control the factory installed cpus. After all Linux programmers have re-written drivers for a lot of proprietary hardware. If we have that open source, we could use more modern ICEs to convert instead of looking for pre'70s donors. regards harsha godavari - Original Message - From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video) If it's your car then reverse engineer the software hardware and make it your own! You're calling for an automotive version of Linux. It could happen! :-) At some point, consumers will have to stand up and say, Enough is enough! Learn to fix your own car (at least for the simpler things). Lobby for laws to protect YOUR rights. Hopefully, even contribute to open source efforts to unlock some of the automaker's little profit engines. -- Failure is only the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. -- Henry Ford -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141005/eaf62dfe/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
Hi Lee and All, Of course there is a solution, a complete electronics transplant. It's not like we haven't been doing that for decades now. Though what do you replace Tesla's with? ACPropulsion has a nice electronics suite with 150kw charger? Maybe Siemens? Maybe some no longer running EV bus electronics. Azure Dynamics? Jerry Dycus On Sunday, October 5, 2014 1:12 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Klaus via EV wrote: It's been going for a long, long time. To mention just a few: [snip]... It's just a game of cat and mouse. A great summary, Klaus. And the cat has all the teeth and claws (money, lawyers and lobbyists). You'll notice that car companies have gotten a lot smarter in dealing with safety concerns. They just used to deny they existed, and fight every change. Now, they find a fix where they can add cost and increase their profit margin. Problem: Cars are easy to steal. Cheap, worthless locks. Old way: Not our fault! We use the best locks $1 can buy! Blame the crooks. Blame the customer. New way: Aha; let's use $2 locks, and make them so nobody but us can make keys. And we'll sell them for $100 each. We'll run the independent keymakers out of business, monopolize the key market, and make big money! Bwuoo hah hah ha! So the automakers write the laws the way they like, and lobby and make campaign contributions to get Congress to implement them. I'm all for Right to Repair! My dealership sucks big time. Same here. When the dealerships have a monopoly on parts and repairs, they inevitably turn into STEALerships. They can do bad work at high prices, and you don't have any choice. Big deal Tesla can deactivate the cars it built! The Tesla is just a computer designed to look and work like a car. It's been said that Microsoft has the perfect racket. A monopoly on PC operating systems, so they can charge a fortune for buggy software with a fake warranty. You only *think* you own the program; in fact, they can upgrade it any time they like to kill it, and force you to buy a new version. I'm sure there are people in the auto industry that look hungrily at this business model, and want to apply it to cars. If it's your car then reverse engineer the software hardware and make it your own! You're calling for an automotive version of Linux. It could happen! :-) At some point, consumers will have to stand up and say, Enough is enough! Learn to fix your own car (at least for the simpler things). Lobby for laws to protect YOUR rights. Hopefully, even contribute to open source efforts to unlock some of the automaker's little profit engines. -- Failure is only the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. -- Henry Ford -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141005/a6bf0656/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs
On 10/05/2014 11:37 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: Automotive CPU, MPU, ECU, etc. are often designed using in ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) and nowadays FPGAs (Field Gate Programmable Arrays). The software is not served up by a drive, or kept on a flashable EEPROM, it is literally built into the silicon. snip It may require the original the development system to reprogram it. Or it can only be reprogrammed by replacing chips and boards - meaning it is very unlikely a DIYer will have the ability to hack it. That's exactly what chipping an ICE does. Replaces or reprograms a memory chip that contains data tables used by the car's software. It's a relatively safe process as you can only screw up the ICE's power profile and emissions output but can't cause the onboard computer (and maybe the car) to crash. The only viable open source solution would be to design a carputer that can read the car's original sensors, process the data, and use that to control the fuel injection, dash, door locks, etc. In the case of a Tesla, it might run the charger/inverter. Unfortunately, most EV-specific hardware probably has its own computer system that expects to send/receive proprietary and possibly encrypted data - making it close to impossible to control with a DIY computer unless MUCH help and documentation is provided by the OEM. Related story: A friend of mine converted a 2000-ish VW Jetta using a series DC motor. His biggest headache was the low oil pressure buzzer in the instrument cluster. Without a valid reading, the buzzer would go off constantly. He cooked up a circuit that would send a normal oil pressure reading, then proceeded to get startled at every stoplight! The dash computer would see the motor RPM drop to 0, notice the oil pressure was still normal... and set the buzzer off! Don't know if he ever managed to trick the instrument cluster into staying quiet. Didn't want to kill the buzzer as it is also used as a headlight reminder, seatbelt warning, etc. -Adrian ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs
So in general there is a huge liability issue from the OEM having to do with air bag time, fly-by-wire pedals etc. That said here is a project I saw at the Detroit Electric and Hybrid vehicle show http://www.pi-innovo.com/products/openecu When I talked with them they mentioned that they felt their hardware was a good fit for prototype vehicles and conversions. Michael 'T-Rex' Kadie -Original Message- From: Adrian DeLeon via EV Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:06 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs On 10/05/2014 11:37 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: Automotive CPU, MPU, ECU, etc. are often designed using in ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) and nowadays FPGAs (Field Gate Programmable Arrays). The software is not served up by a drive, or kept on a flashable EEPROM, it is literally built into the silicon. snip It may require the original the development system to reprogram it. Or it can only be reprogrammed by replacing chips and boards - meaning it is very unlikely a DIYer will have the ability to hack it. That's exactly what chipping an ICE does. Replaces or reprograms a memory chip that contains data tables used by the car's software. It's a relatively safe process as you can only screw up the ICE's power profile and emissions output but can't cause the onboard computer (and maybe the car) to crash. The only viable open source solution would be to design a carputer that can read the car's original sensors, process the data, and use that to control the fuel injection, dash, door locks, etc. In the case of a Tesla, it might run the charger/inverter. Unfortunately, most EV-specific hardware probably has its own computer system that expects to send/receive proprietary and possibly encrypted data - making it close to impossible to control with a DIY computer unless MUCH help and documentation is provided by the OEM. Related story: A friend of mine converted a 2000-ish VW Jetta using a series DC motor. His biggest headache was the low oil pressure buzzer in the instrument cluster. Without a valid reading, the buzzer would go off constantly. He cooked up a circuit that would send a normal oil pressure reading, then proceeded to get startled at every stoplight! The dash computer would see the motor RPM drop to 0, notice the oil pressure was still normal... and set the buzzer off! Don't know if he ever managed to trick the instrument cluster into staying quiet. Didn't want to kill the buzzer as it is also used as a headlight reminder, seatbelt warning, etc. -Adrian ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
Back when cpu cycles were expensive, automakers mostly used the minimum amount of processor power necessary to control emissions and air bags. As memory and cpus got to where they cost pennies, they realized that they could control a lot more with them. They could make the dome light fade in and out. They could keep people from buying cheaper used parts. They could prove that when the wreck happened, the driver had his foot on the accelerator, not the brake. They could shut down the vehicle if the owner didn't do what the purchase or lease agreement stipulated. As we're seeing in almost every other area where computers are involved - which is just about everywhere - Moore's law has turned out to be the proverbial double-edged sword. But that's another discussion for another list, I suppose. For the purposes of this list, let's just say that maybe some EV converters have other reasons to wear an EV grin besides it's clean and quiet, and it passes all the gas stations. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
Sadly, due to my exposure to OEM representatives (auto makers), I can safely say that they will cut every penny out where they can. For example, I was talking to one standards representative (I won't say the company name, as it is pretty much the same everywhere), and they could not support TLS on their computers and would not upgrade the computer until there was a strong need. The computer would be dealing with billing for the power used to charge the vehicle!!! Sheesh. On 10/5/14, 8:54 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Back when cpu cycles were expensive, automakers mostly used the minimum amount of processor power necessary to control emissions and air bags. As memory and cpus got to where they cost pennies, they realized that they could control a lot more with them. They could make the dome light fade in and out. They could keep people from buying cheaper used parts. They could prove that when the wreck happened, the driver had his foot on the accelerator, not the brake. They could shut down the vehicle if the owner didn't do what the purchase or lease agreement stipulated. As we're seeing in almost every other area where computers are involved - which is just about everywhere - Moore's law has turned out to be the proverbial double-edged sword. But that's another discussion for another list, I suppose. For the purposes of this list, let's just say that maybe some EV converters have other reasons to wear an EV grin besides it's clean and quiet, and it passes all the gas stations. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)
On Oct 5, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: [T]hey could not support TLS on their computers and would not upgrade the computer until there was a strong need. The computer would be dealing with billing for the power used to charge the vehicle!!! Then it won't be long before people start charging their cars for free. Those kinds of hacks, especially when encryption is lacking, are trivial for those in the industry -- and I mean electronics, not automotive. It's pretty much a given that somebody in Silicon Valley soon will or already has read your words here (or a similar report from somebody else) and is already reaching for the logic analyzer to start sniffing the wires in the car sitting in his garage b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141005/9677a451/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
