Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
Jay, I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger-open-source-59210.html they have kits and detailed info here, http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150129/0dec68d5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
Yes, a lot of horror stories on that and we found design flaws when we looked at it From: Rush Dougherty via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?) There are 277 pages to that thread I would check out the thread before committing to building it. Rush Tucson AZ -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rod Hower via EV Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:41 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?) Jay, I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger- open-source-59210.html they have kits and detailed info here, http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- evdl.org/attachments/20150129/0dec68d5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150129/2f5205c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
There are 277 pages to that thread I would check out the thread before committing to building it. Rush Tucson AZ -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rod Hower via EV Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:41 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?) Jay, I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger- open-source-59210.html they have kits and detailed info here, http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- evdl.org/attachments/20150129/0dec68d5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
A Manzanita Micro PFC-20 would likely meet all you needs for about $2000, plus it comes assembled and tested: http://www.manzanitamicro.com/products?page=shop.product_detailsflypage=flypage.tplproduct_id=39category_id=14 Bill D. At 09:18 AM 1/29/2015, you wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
Also check out Jehu's travails with it on http://www.electricsamba.com/ Personally I went with a CAN-Bus controlled TC Charger and Arduino-based controller. I bought this 4kW one: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=168vcharger It's $1895. A 3kW one is only $1395 http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=203vcharger It's been rock solid, charges on 120v or 240v and is easily configurable. The source code is available if you want to modify how it works. There's also a crew out there documenting the CAN-bus messages used by the Lear chargers in the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf. Those are showing up in junkyards and are fairly inexpensive. --Rick On 01/29/2015 02:09 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: There are 277 pages to that thread I would check out the thread before committing to building it. Rush Tucson AZ -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rod Hower via EV Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:41 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?) Jay, I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger- open-source-59210.html they have kits and detailed info here, http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- evdl.org/attachments/20150129/0dec68d5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
From: Rick Beebe via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Also check out Jehu's travails with it on http://www.electricsamba.com/ Interesting. Jehu admits that he didn't have much experience with electronics at the time. (I could tell all the parts apart that he claims could not be told apart.) He also admitted he abused it, by pushing too much current through a connector, causing it to melt. Finally, the video is sponsored by someone who sells other chargers. Then, the president of the company drove to Jehu's place and hand-delivered a brand-new charger, after Jehu had arguably ruined two others! Then, he took off on a long trip, knowing he was having trouble with the charger's cooling fans, and admitted his troubleshooting skills were lacking, limited to shotgun random replacement of components. I'd say he was treated pretty good, considering the circumstances! We need a supercharger, and this is it, Jehu admits, The main problem is keeping everything cool, which he apparently didn't do, on several occasions. I heartily agree that, unless one is sure of one's electronics assembly expertise, one should not take on a project of this magnitude! Or at least get hold of an old Griefkit manual, so one can learn the difference between a resistor and a capacitor. I think the OP (Jay) sounds like he has some electronics experience. I'd dissuade anyone from going kit based on money savings alone -- it's not likely to be such a bargain in the long run. But like Jehu, I'm totally turned off by the proprietary nature of most EV chargers. I've talked to several manufacturers about adapting their charger to SAFT NiCd batteries, and have gotten answers that ranged from Huh? to Why would you want to do that? Just buy batteries WE support! to You'll have to buy the charger from one of our retailers, then send it in to the factory with a cheque for $500, and then our engineers will develop a custom charging profile for your battery, and you'll have it back 180 days. NO ONE is willing to give me access to re-programming their charger myself! To summarize, YOU SHOULD NOT BUILD A 12,000 WATT ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AN EE OR HAVE ACCESS TO AN EE! These are life-threatening power levels! And when a component is rated 50 amps, DON'T PUSH 70 THROUGH IT! And if your fans aren't working right, DON'T HEAD OFF ON A 300 MILE TRIP! One last thing: if you aren't absolutely confident of your electronics skills, start with something simpler. Perhaps you can find an un-assembeled Heathkit from eBay. Work your way up to a 400-watt audio power amplifier -- those things are scary enough -- before tackling anything in the multi-kilowatt range. That said, I'm planning on getting an EMW open-source charger. But I'm an EE. You know what? What makes our economy grow is energy. And Americans are used to going to the gas tank (sic), and when they put that hose in their, uh, tank, and when I do it, I wanna get gas out of it. And when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them. Because this is America, and this is something we've worked our way into, and the American people are entitled to it, and if we're going improve (sic) our standard of living, you have to consume more energy. -- Chuck Grassley Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: ElectraGirl Choosing the Right Small EV
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ElectraGirl: Choosing the Right Small EV
January 25, 2015 By Electra Girl
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I am in a dilemma this week… There’s only one week left to decide on what to
replace our 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV with. We think we have narrowed it down
to three possible EV’s – the 2014 Mitsubishi i-MiEV, the 2015 VW e-Golf and
the 2015 Smart ED. All very different EV’s but which one will suit us the
best?
2015 VW E-Golf, 2015 Smart ED, 2014 Mitsubishi i-MiEV HeaderThe main reason
for this purchase is to provide an EV for our son to use to get himself to
classes, and to work, and to see friends. He’ll never be doing more than 50
miles in a round trip. So we are not looking for a long distance EV, one
that has an 70 – 90 mile range would be perfect.
My son really likes the i-MiEV so, that would be his first choice. Currently
though the i-MiEV seems hard to come by and doesn’t have that great lease
deal we got on ours, which is very unfortunate. We can’t go and see the
updated 2014 version as there aren’t any within range, so all we have to go
on are the pictures on the website. To buy one we’d be looking at a 0%
finance deal in the region of $380 per month over 5 years or $189 per month
for a 3 year lease with almost $4,000 due at signing. That seems a lot for
what you get. Yes, we will now be getting TWO heated seats and an updated
interior with a leather steering wheel. CHAdeMO is standard on the i-MiEV
and we do get to pre-condition, both of these are quite important. But it is
still quite a basic car with a range of 50 – 90 miles.
The 2015 VW e-Golf is more ‘regular car like’ and looks very much like its
petrol version. Do I want a car that doesn’t stand out from the crowd? I
have kind of got use to the looks and stares because my EV’s are quirky
looking – in a good way. It is very VW and you can feel that VW quality. It
does have CCS Fast Charging and pre-conditioning plus, with the recent
announcement of a fast charging network from VW/BMW and ChargePoint it could
really go the distance. It has about 80 – 90 miles of range and comes
standard with navigation and a rearview camera. Its one downside seems to be
the lack of regenerative breaking, quite a biggie for me. The e-Golf would
cost us about $350 per month on a 36 month lease with a chunky downpayment.
2015 Smart ED – It is small, it only has two seats, so no family trips in
that. It does have pre-conditioning. But it doesn’t, however, have fast
charging, which is a slight negative in my opinion. It has roughly 68 miles
of range, but more like 76 if you are just pootling around town, and I would
think you could get more than that, especially in the summer. It’s small –
again, but is it too small? It would cost us around $120 per month on a 36
month lease with $2,250 due at signing. The Smart ED is more fun to drive
than the i-MiEV, perhaps heading more in the MINI E direction – but not
quite.
We did think about the Mercedes B class EV but, I think that’s just too big
for our needs, we don’t need that kind of space.
Now, if the Fiat 500e was available on the East Coast then that would be the
next EV. It doesn’t look like that is going to happen though. I have to say
I am very disappointed with Fiat for not selling anywhere but California and
Oregon.
Decisions, decisions, decisions – what will be Electric Car number 7?
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Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
I made the assumption that Dr. Jay Summet is the guy that teaches at Georgia Tech and has experience with robotics, so I think he could probably work with what's available at the web site I listed, http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics The DIYelectriccar forum on this topic is very long and I probably wouldn't go through the pages unless I needed to google something specific I had a question about. On Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:10 PM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: From: Rick Beebe via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Also check out Jehu's travails with it on http://www.electricsamba.com/ Interesting. Jehu admits that he didn't have much experience with electronics at the time. (I could tell all the parts apart that he claims could not be told apart.) He also admitted he abused it, by pushing too much current through a connector, causing it to melt. Finally, the video is sponsored by someone who sells other chargers. Then, the president of the company drove to Jehu's place and hand-delivered a brand-new charger, after Jehu had arguably ruined two others! Then, he took off on a long trip, knowing he was having trouble with the charger's cooling fans, and admitted his troubleshooting skills were lacking, limited to shotgun random replacement of components. I'd say he was treated pretty good, considering the circumstances! We need a supercharger, and this is it, Jehu admits, The main problem is keeping everything cool, which he apparently didn't do, on several occasions. I heartily agree that, unless one is sure of one's electronics assembly expertise, one should not take on a project of this magnitude! Or at least get hold of an old Griefkit manual, so one can learn the difference between a resistor and a capacitor. I think the OP (Jay) sounds like he has some electronics experience. I'd dissuade anyone from going kit based on money savings alone -- it's not likely to be such a bargain in the long run. But like Jehu, I'm totally turned off by the proprietary nature of most EV chargers. I've talked to several manufacturers about adapting their charger to SAFT NiCd batteries, and have gotten answers that ranged from Huh? to Why would you want to do that? Just buy batteries WE support! to You'll have to buy the charger from one of our retailers, then send it in to the factory with a cheque for $500, and then our engineers will develop a custom charging profile for your battery, and you'll have it back 180 days. NO ONE is willing to give me access to re-programming their charger myself! To summarize, YOU SHOULD NOT BUILD A 12,000 WATT ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AN EE OR HAVE ACCESS TO AN EE! These are life-threatening power levels! And when a component is rated 50 amps, DON'T PUSH 70 THROUGH IT! And if your fans aren't working right, DON'T HEAD OFF ON A 300 MILE TRIP! One last thing: if you aren't absolutely confident of your electronics skills, start with something simpler. Perhaps you can find an un-assembeled Heathkit from eBay. Work your way up to a 400-watt audio power amplifier -- those things are scary enough -- before tackling anything in the multi-kilowatt range. That said, I'm planning on getting an EMW open-source charger. But I'm an EE. You know what? What makes our economy grow is energy. And Americans are used to going to the gas tank (sic), and when they put that hose in their, uh, tank, and when I do it, I wanna get gas out of it. And when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them. Because this is America, and this is something we've worked our way into, and the American people are entitled to it, and if we're going improve (sic) our standard of living, you have to consume more energy. -- Chuck Grassley Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150129/77337199/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S-P85D Insane-Mode makes women swear like sailors (v)
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Tesla Model S P85D makes old women swear like sailors
Jan 27th 2015 Domenick Yoney YouTube
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Funny passengers' reactions to the acceleration of the Tesla Model S P85D
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We've Got Both SFW And NSFW Videos For You
The Tesla Model S P85D, in its explosive insane mode, affects different
people in different ways. Some will react to its shock-and-awe acceleration
in exhilerated-yet-PG astonishment, while others express their amazement
with slightly less couth. Today, we share a couple of reaction videos filled
mostly with examples of the latter.
When Brooks Weisblat is not filming his new all-wheel-drive electric car
embarrassing Dodge Challenger Hellcats on the drag strip, he is apparently
turning his camera on his friends as he takes them for rides in his
battery-powered sedan. As the accelerator hits the floor, mouths open wide
and the air turns sailor-blue as his victims crudely enunciate their
amazement. It doesn't matter if they're a woman of a certain age or
massively-muscled he-man, the astonishment is cursedly palpable.
Likewise, Raphael Colantonio, when not acting as a video game director or
musician, relishes imbuing his friends with expletives and giggles, courtesy
of his car. You can watch a safe-for-work version of Brooks' video above, or
see the unedited NSFW footage from both of these Tesla owners below. Enjoy!
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Tesla’s ‘Insane’ Button Makes The P85D Go Bonkers
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[EVDL] EVLN: BMWBLOG i3 EV Long-Term Test Drive Update
http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/01/27/bmwblog-test-drive-bmw-i3-bev-long-term-update/ BMWBLOG Test Drive: BMW i3 BEV Long-Term Update January 27th, 2015 by Chuck Vossler [images http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-15.jpg bmw i3 test drive winter http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-38.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-23.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-09.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-49.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Hakkapeliitta-r2-bmw-i3-01.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Hakkapeliitta-r2-bmw-i3-23.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-14.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-i3-test-drive-winter-42.jpg http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/01/27/bmwblog-test-drive-bmw-i3-bev-long-term-update/#jp-carousel-147874 ] Our BMW i3 has taken us 4,000 trouble free miles. It transports us to and from work in the coldest weather of the year 5F (-15C), and had no problem in the snow while fitted with snow tires. BMWBLOG has had our BMW i3 BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle) right at four months now and the futuristic electric car just turned 4,000 miles. I was a bit concerned that being an “early adopter” of all the i3’s new tech could be problematic or even glitchy. That wasn’t the case. Apart from one flat tire caused by running over a huge bolt, the BMW i3 has been flawless. The i3 is the first mass production car with extensive use of carbon fiber reinforced plastic and it’s BMW’s first production electric car. In my opinion, a big part of the i3 being almost flawless out of the box was due to the extensive testing of the MINI E and the ActiveE. Range Anxiety The dreaded electric car range anxiety issue was the other thing lurking in my mind while signing the lease papers. Now, customers can choose an i3 Range Extender and nip that anxiety in the bud. However, we wanted to go all in on the pure electric car ownership experiences. BMW states that the i3 BEV and its 22 kWh battery pack are good for 80 to 110 miles. The Range Extender is good for about 150 miles but you can stop, fill up the 2.4 gallon gas tank and truck on. At home, Level 2 charging has been easy, we just plug it in and charge it over night. Mapping Your Route The i3 requires the driver to do a bit more thinking and planning. By that I mean, every time I get in it, I look at range, figure out our route and then take off. If going on a new route, I have taken to plotting out the day’s activities on Google maps to ensure I am not going to go over 80 miles. Given I live in the Midwest and we don’t have many public chargers here, this route plotting is a necessity. There are just forty EV chargers in 7,950 square miles of Kansas City, so we don’t venture out farther than we can return on a single charge. I literally have tried only once to use a ChargePoint charging station in KC and it was broken. We are always cognizant of the i3’s range and the miles left’ometer or as some call it a Guess-O-Meter. So far, no rides on the flat bed tow truck of shame from running out of juice. The i Remote App I have been really surprised by how helpful the iOS app is. Unlike the dash in the i3, the BMW i Remote app gives the actual state of charge (SOC) of the battery. Getting to work thirteen miles one way in the winter, we use about 16-18% of the battery. The return trip typically uses more more charge because the i3 can’t be plugged in at work so there is no way to pre-condition the battery pack. The i Remote app is the easiest way to use Pre-Conditioning. Just set the time of your departure when it’s cold outside and the i3 will warm the battery pack and cabin up. The caveat is that pre-conditioning only works while attached to a Level 2 Charger. Winter Performance It can get seriously cold in the Midwest. Naturally, before taking ownership of the i3 I started to wonder how it would handle the snow because of its rear wheel drive platform and lightweight. We put snow tires on it and really the drivability in snow has really not been a problem. It handles like any other rear wheel drive BMW I’ve owned over the years and it’s easy to daily drive year round. To attenuate the torque curve, I set EcoPro while driving in the snow so I get less slip when accelerating. The bigger challenge in owning an i3 was how serious cold affects your range. In the coldest weather, we have experienced a 35-40% decrease in range. The i3 uses electricity to go and electricity to heat the car, and cold batteries don’t work as well. At 5F, I really wanted heat. If you can tolerate no heat, you could probably go farther. The i3’s windows also fog up easier in the really cold weather more than any other car I’ve owned. A cool thing I noticed in the serious cold is that at a stop light there is no exhaust plume coming from
[EVDL] Free Feb. Chattanooga Loop-Rides in ad-supported 6seat-nEV 1/30–2/26
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2015/jan/28/free-loop-rides-arrive-saturday-downtown-chattanooga-electric-vehicle-service-runs-through-february/285196/
Free Loop Rides arrive Saturday in downtown Chattanooga; electric vehicle
service to run through February
January 28th, 2015 by Mitra Malek
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Electric vehicles seating up to six people will make loops around downtown
Chattanooga beginning Saturday -- and offer rides for free.
Loop Rides launched last year and reports having offered its service in 15
areas around the country. Chattanooga's service is expected to last through
February, run Tuesday through Saturday, 10 a.m. to 7 p.m.
Loop Rides gets its revenue from advertisers, whose logos and slogans are
featured inside and outside its vehicles. Drivers also talk up the company
to passengers.
Passengers hail the vehicles along their route and can travel along the
loop.
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Mobile advertising company bringing free transportation to Chattanooga
Loop Rides will be in town Jan. 30–Feb. 26
By Chloé Morrison January 28th 2015
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Mobile advertising source Loop Rides is bringing free, environmentally
friendly transportation to downtown Chattanooga.
The New York-based company—which provides nontraditional advertising through
its electric vehicles—will be servicing the downtown area Jan. 30–Feb. 26.
The vehicles will make a 4.17-mile loop around downtown, including across
the Walnut Street Bridge to the North Shore.
We like to home in on certain areas where we think a service like this
could be a great asset to the community and where there will be a positive
reception, Loop Rides President and CEO Mac Russel said.
Russel said that the cars can go anywhere within the specified coverage
area but will always be within certain parameters.
There will be one car for the first advertising campaign, but the goal is to
build a bigger fleet if there is interest, he said.
Russel, who worked in finance for several years, said he's always been
intrigued by marketing and advertising. He and a partner created Loop Rides
in an effort to merge green energy and positive brand messaging.
The company launched at the beginning of last year, and the team has been
working to expand into new markets.
They bought the electric vehicles, which go up to 25 miles per hour and
produce zero emissions, then customized them for advertising. An advertiser
pays the company for a unique advertising campaign that passengers see and
hear while they ride.
Loop Rides has a sales team whose members work in certain cities or with
certain advertisers to provide experiential marketing opportunities.
Experiential marketing is a strategy that engages more directly with
consumers, inviting them to participate in the situation.
For example, the vehicles have television screens that stream visual content
and social media campaigns, and the drivers are sometimes trained with
specific messages.
Wave down a Loop Ride
It's important to highlight the fact that anyone can wave us down for a
free ride. The drivers will be inviting.
Source: Loop Rides President and CEO Mac [Russell]
The ride may include a stop at a retail location where advertised products
can be purchased or an array of advertising possibilities.
We make our revenue in selling the ad space, he said. As we continue to
build a fleet of vehicles, it enables us to connect to more cities.
The first advertiser in Chattanooga will be a national brand.
Loop leaders have some fixed rates for advertisers, but they are open to
working with local companies. If that happens, there could be more
negotiation on costs.
Anyone who wants more information can contact Russel at 646-593-7848 or mac
@looprides.com.
It's really great to interact with people and provide a positive service,
Russel said. From an advertising perspective, it's really beneficial to get
a message out in a nontraditional way.
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[EVDL] EVLN: H2O Tech Salamander amphibious electric trike topgear.com.ph (v)
http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-news/pinoy-made-salamander-amphibious-trike-can-tackle-land-and-water Pinoy-made Salamander amphibious trike can tackle land and water By Vernon B. Sarne — 21 Jan 2015 [images / Christian Halili http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main1.jpg http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main4.jpg http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main5.jpg http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main7.jpg http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main8.jpg http://www.topgear.com.ph/images/articleImages/news/0_2015/01/21/salamander/salamander-amphitrike-main9.jpg video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDZPUO92mQ (1st half in English, use subtitles/cc to read the rest) The Filipino-made Salamander amphibious tricycle Top Gear Philippines Jan 20, 2015 If you're into car customization, the name Atoy Llave will certainly ring a bell. The man behind Atoy Bodykits and the company's aftermarket exterior designs is quite popular among Filipino car lovers. The curious thing you see here in this video--the Salamander amphibious trike--is Llave's latest creation. ] If you're into car customization, the name Atoy Llave will certainly ring a bell. The man behind A-Toy Bodykits and the company's aftermarket exterior designs is quite popular among Filipino car lovers. The curious thing you see here--the Salamander amphibious trike--is Llave's latest creation. He made this in partnership with a new company called H2O Technologies, developing it in particular with the firm's technical head, Lamberto Armada. Because it is amphibious, the Salamander can travel both on land and in water. It stemmed from Llave's desire to do something really useful for the benefit of his countrymen. That and his wish to put the Philippines on the global automotive map. I want to show the world that the Filipino can, Llave told TopGear.com.ph. As you read this, Llave and his partners are launching the thing somewhere in Mandaluyong (near our office, actually). It's a big night for the group. They have been toiling day and night in order to seamlessly roll out the Salamander before the critical eyes of the motoring press. Last month, Llave gave us exclusive access to the Salamander. It was for a full-length magazine story that will appear in our February issue. Writer Niky Tamayo was able to test it for himself, and you will read his initial impressions in our next issue. The Salamander has two powerplant choices: one electric and one internal-combustion. Boasting a six-person seating capacity (four in water), the amphibious tricycle is powered by either a 5kW electric engine or a 250cc gasoline motor. We assume these are the target specs for the production version, because the provisional spec sheet still mentions a 3kW electric engine and a 200cc motor ... I've already achieved so much in the car business, Llave shared. Now, I want to leave behind a legacy. I want to produce something that will help people. Llave, of course, is referring to our country being flood-prone. Imagine having an amphibious vehicle like this when the water rises. The Salamander will also be practical as a shuttle vehicle in between small islands all around the archipelago. The only hurdle? As with any brilliant Filipino idea, there is currently a lack of funding, which Llave hopes to get as soon as word spreads about his newest brainchild. We hope a wealthy businessman with patriotic and philanthropic intentions is reading this. The Salamander is waiting to be developed, polished and marketed to the world. Atoy Llave is right: The Filipino can. For a more comprehensive story on the Salamander, read our February 2015 issue. [© Summit Digital] ... https://www.facebook.com/ControversialFiles/posts/783875535032142 Salamander Amphibious Trike Impressively Takes On Land and Water January 25 ... https://www.facebook.com/h2osalamander/timeline H2O Salamander Cars (v) ... http://www.greenoptimistic.com/salamander-amphibious-tricycle-20150126/ Amphibious Electric Rickshaw Produced in Philippines Ari Luis January 26, 2015 http://i2.wp.com/www.greenoptimistic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/salamander-amphitrike-main8.jpg ... http://manilastandardtoday.com/2015/01/29/salamander-aqua-trike-proudly-pinoy-made/ Salamander aqua trike: Proudly Pinoy made By Dino Ray V. Directo III | Jan. 29, 2015 http://manilastandardtoday.com/panel/_files/image/2015_jan3015_motor3.jpg ... http://inventorspot.com/articles/salamander-amphibious-concept-motorized-trike-treks-over-land-se Salamander Amphibious Concept Motorized Trike Treks Over Land Sea Steve Levenstein by Motors.new http://inventorspot.com/files/images/salamander_concept_04.jpg
Re: [EVDL] BMW i3 EV TV ad during Superbowl
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Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
Sounds like a Brusa I have except for cheap and open source. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150129/2838463c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
On 29 Jan 2015 at 14:10, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: NO ONE is willing to give me access to re-programming their charger myself! Brusa will. They're one of the few manufacturers I know of that cater both to OEMs and hobbyists. They also have a Saft STM100 profile, which you could probably edit for other Saft blocks. Prices may be out of your range though. They're not cheap, partly because they're assembled in Switzerland by well-trained, well-treated, decently- paid labor, not by some Chinese contract sweatshop. http://www.metricmind.com/category/ev-battery-chargers/ http://www.metricmind.com/downloads-3/charger-library/ http://www.metricmind.com/price-list/ They'll accept AC input from 100 to 264 volts. Unlike some popular hobbyist EV chargers, they're fully isolated, and have CE approval (though not UL). They're both CAN-capable and standalone-usable. A 1.6kw is $1775 and the 3.3kw chargers start at $2248. Note though that these power outputs are for batteries from 200v to 520v, and power output will be lower at lower voltages (max current is 12.5a). The power and battery cables are extra and expensive ($244). They say cables are mandatory on the price list page, but they also say on the info page that you can order the charger without cables. Can't hurt to ask, I guess. If you want to see what they can do, download the chargestar software and try it out. IIRC you can run it without the charger connected. Regrettably it requires Windows (32-bit). I haven't tried it with Wine. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
A 3kW one is only $1395 http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=203vcharger I like that option the most so far. (although I'd probably get the 160 volt 24 amp one instead of the 203v 20 amp one...) It comes pre-built and costs about the same as the build it yourself 12KW monster kit, and is based upon a solid well tested charger. One requirement I didn't list in my original email is that I'd prefer the charger to fit inside the cab of my S10 pick-up, behind the seat where the current chargers are located. The large size of the kit charger (probably due to the 12000 watt capacity) would make that difficult. The TCcharger looks to be a more manageable size... the 5.4 thickness is goodI can mount it against the back wall behind the seat... The only thing I'll have to look into is if I can use the relatively simple LiIon charging profile for my lead Acid batteriesor rig something up to change the voltage/current setting on the fly. It sounds like a CAN bus controlled charger may be the way to go, I like the idea of just making a small CAN bus controller for an existing charger... There's also a crew out there documenting the CAN-bus messages used by the Lear chargers in the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf. Those are showing up in junkyards and are fairly inexpensive. Unfortunately, due to my low voltage requirements the Volt/Leaf chargers wouldn't work for me. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)
Jay, You may want to look at this charger for sale from Thunderstruck: http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/pfc-ii-2500-and-charge-controller.html Don On 1/29/2015 8:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo). Requirements: -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells. -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds. Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end. I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around. (Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed for current limit.) -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts. I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range. Features I'd like: -I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want to have to source parts from all over...) -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a separate AC relay...) -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap. -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data logging would be very nice, but is not needed. My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging... Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from? Thanks, Jay P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Don Bradley PO Box 141 Forestville, Ca. 95436 Maker of Signal Generators for Chladni Plate Tuning ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Tesla-S-P85D Insane-Mode makes women swear like sailors (v)
That video has been making the rounds at work this week. It was actually
forwarded to me by a guy that drag races in his Dodge Challenger. I think that
is a sign of progress!
Mike
On January 29, 2015 6:40:10 PM MST, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/27/tesla-model-s-p85d-reaction-video-swearing/
Tesla Model S P85D makes old women swear like sailors
Jan 27th 2015 Domenick Yoney YouTube
[video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qFV5i8tBhs
Tesla P85D Insane Mode Launch Reactions Compilation - Clean Version
DragTimes Jan 25, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8
Tesla P85D Insane Mode Launch Reactions Compilation - Explicit Version
DragTimes Jan 25, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0yClUAnNQ
Tesla P85D acceleration reactions HD version (Profane language)
Raphael Colantonio Jan 24, 2015
Funny passengers' reactions to the acceleration of the Tesla Model S
P85D
from 0-40mph.
Highres version
]
We've Got Both SFW And NSFW Videos For You
The Tesla Model S P85D, in its explosive insane mode, affects different
people in different ways. Some will react to its shock-and-awe
acceleration
in exhilerated-yet-PG astonishment, while others express their
amazement
with slightly less couth. Today, we share a couple of reaction videos
filled
mostly with examples of the latter.
When Brooks Weisblat is not filming his new all-wheel-drive electric
car
embarrassing Dodge Challenger Hellcats on the drag strip, he is
apparently
turning his camera on his friends as he takes them for rides in his
battery-powered sedan. As the accelerator hits the floor, mouths open
wide
and the air turns sailor-blue as his victims crudely enunciate their
amazement. It doesn't matter if they're a woman of a certain age or
massively-muscled he-man, the astonishment is cursedly palpable.
Likewise, Raphael Colantonio, when not acting as a video game director
or
musician, relishes imbuing his friends with expletives and giggles,
courtesy
of his car. You can watch a safe-for-work version of Brooks' video
above, or
see the unedited NSFW footage from both of these Tesla owners below.
Enjoy!
[© 2015 AOL]
...
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/01/teslas-insane-button-makes-the-p85d-go-bonkers/
Tesla’s ‘Insane’ Button Makes The P85D Go Bonkers
By Adnan Farooqui on 01/28/2015
...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/teslas-supercharged-electric-car-takes-acceleration-to-the-next-level-with-a-feature-that-shocks-passengers/story-fnjwucvh-1227200574931
Tesla’s supercharged electric car takes acceleration to the next level
with
a feature that shocks passengers
January 29, 2015
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