[EVDL] EVLN: What to do about a law-flouting unpredictable e-biker.ca?
http://www.torontolife.com/informer/columns/2015/03/10/urban-diplomat-driven-to-despair/ Dear Urban Diplomat: what should I do about an annoying e-biker? March 10, 2015 urbandiplomat@torontolife [image / Carlos Felipe Pardo/Flickr http://cdn.torontolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ebike-urban-diplomat.jpg ] Dear Urban Diplomat, Every day on my commute along Eastern Avenue, this guy on an electric bike zooms past my car, sometimes in the bike lane, sometimes weaving between cars, sometimes popping up onto the sidewalk for a few metres before plonking back onto the street. It’s maddening. Short of gently nudging him with my bumper, what should I do? —Driven to Despair, Cliffside Nothing brings humankind together like our shared loathing of law-flouting e-bikers. The scourge of the road, they are neither bike nor motorcycle, yet their operators adopt the unpredictability of the former and the swagger of the latter. Legally, e-bikes aren’t allowed on sidewalks or divided cycle tracks (like the one on Sherbourne), but they are allowed in painted bike lanes. So for the sidewalk portion of your complaint, the law is on your side. Do not—repeat, NOT—nudge him with your bumper or any other part of your car’s anatomy. Call the non-emergency police number at 416-808- to provide the where and when of his repeat offending. With luck, you’ll be driving by and witness the bust. This article appeared first in the March 2015 issue of Toronto Life. [© torontolife.com] [dated] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/10252518/Why-cyclists-should-be-allowed-to-jump-red-lights.html Why cyclists should be allowed to jump red lights 13 Sep 2013 ... The best way for a cyclist to stay safe is to sometimes break the rules ... ... http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2013/02/why-motorists-get-so-angry-cyclists-psychologists-theory Why motorists get so angry at cyclists — a psychologist's theory By Susan Perry | 02/20/13 Motorists get angry when they think cyclists are getting away with something by breaking society’s agreed-upon rules. A study issued earlier this year found that motor vehicle drivers and cyclists are equally responsible for car-bike collisions in Minneapolis. But, as comments to media reports of that study demonstrate, the finger pointing continues, with bicyclists blaming aggressive drivers for most collisions and drivers blaming “inconsiderate and stupid” cyclists. The anger from motorists toward cyclists seems especially raw. So I read with interest British psychologist Tom Stafford’s latest Neurohacks column for BBC Future in which he offers his theory for “why cyclists enrage car drivers.” “It's not because cyclists are annoying,” he writes. “It isn't even because we have a selective memory for that one stand-out annoying cyclist over the hundreds of boring, non-annoying ones (although that probably is a factor). No, my theory is that motorists hate cyclists because they think they offend the moral order.” An evolutionary response And how, exactly, do cyclists offend that moral order? It has to do, Stafford explains, with two cornerstones of cooperation theory: the “free rider problem” and “altruistic punishment.” The free rider problem is the resentment that occurs when we believe some people are “cheating” at what Stafford calls the “game of coordination where we have to rely on each other to do the right thing.” In other words, we get angry when we think someone else is getting away with something by breaking society’s agreed-upon rules. And one way humans have evolved to deal with that problem is altruistic punishment. “Altruistic punishment is a punishment that costs you as an individual, but doesn't bring any direct benefit,” explains Stafford. “As an example, imagine I'm at a football match and I see someone climb in without buying a ticket. I could sit and enjoy the game (at no cost to myself), or I could try to find security to have the guy thrown out (at the cost of missing some of the game). That would be altruistic punishment.” Blame evolution Which brings us back to drivers’ rage at cyclists. Writes Stafford: [E]volution has built into the human mind a hatred of free-riders and cheaters, which activates anger when we confront people acting like this — and it is this anger which prompts altruistic punishment. In this way, the emotion is evolution's way of getting us to overcome our short-term self-interest and encourage collective social life. So now we can see why there is an evolutionary pressure pushing motorists towards hatred of cyclists. Deep within the human psyche, fostered there because it helps us co-ordinate with strangers and so build the global society that is a hallmark of our species, is an anger at people who break the rules, who take the benefits without contributing to the cost. And cyclists trigger this anger when they use the roads but don't follow the same rules as cars. Now, cyclists reading this might think but the rules aren't made for us — we’re more
[EVDL] EVLN: Electric Kawasaki Ninja patents filed an eco-green monster
http://www.motoroids.com/news/kawasaki-ninja-may-go-electric-company-files-patents-for-new-designs/ Kawasaki Ninja may go electric, company files patents for new designs Suvil Susvirkar | March 13, 2015 % While HarleyD thinks about it, Kawasaki is doing it % [images / VisorDown http://www.motoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kawasaki-Ninja-to-go-electric-Patent-1.jpg (Patent sketch) http://www.motoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kawasaki-Ninja-to-go-electric-Patent-2.jpg http://www.motoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kawasaki-Ninja-to-go-electric-Patent-3.jpg ] The “green” monster from Kawasaki might soon go eco-friendly green as reports from automotive website Visor Down suggest that the Japanese two-wheeler major has filed as many as 10 patents for electric motorcycles in last three months. This pretty much explains the recent reports of Kawasaki registering Ninja E2 and E2R trademarks. The patents that were reported by the aforementioned website reveal the battery position and the frame along with various components that would be found on this upcoming electric motorcycle. The sketch also suggests that the upcoming electric vehicles may also receive the tried and tested tubular steel trellis frame. The output figures are still unknown but we expect Kawasaki to pack in some serious power with this electric motorcycle ... [© motoroids.com] http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/kawasakis-electric-ninja-plans/26382.html Kawasaki’s electric Ninja plans 11 March 2015 [images http://s3.visordown.com/uploads/images/large/75505.jpg http://s3.visordown.com/uploads/images/large/75510.jpg ] Electric sports bikes revealed in patent drawings KAWASAKI has filed patents for a number of electric sports bike designs, revealing the direction of plans for future Ninja models. The firm has filed at least 10 electric motorcycle patents in the last three months, showing machines with a trellis frame and sports bike geometry. The sketches show different possible positions within the chassis for a huge battery pack. One design features a detachable section of frame tubes, allowing easy removal of the battery. Kawasaki electric motorcycle patents were revealed as long ago as 2012 but the rate of recent new designs suggests the firm has stepped up its work in the area. It could point to purpose of recently revealed new Ninja trademarks, including ‘Ninja E2’ and ‘Ninja E2R’ ... [© Immediate Media] ... http://www.motorbiketimes.com/news/bike-types/electric-bikes/kawasaki-electric-ninja-plans-discovered-$21384949.htm Kawasaki electric Ninja plans discovered 13, Mar 2015 by Justine Iorga ... http://www.cartrade.com/car-bike-news/kawasaki-registers-for-patent-designs-of-electric-bike-127764.html Kawasaki registers for patent designs of electric bike March 16, 2015 by Roger Dsouza [dated] http://therideadvice.com/electric-kawasaki-ninja-way/ Electric Kawasaki Ninja On The Way? - TheRideAdvice.com Jul 27, 2014 - New patent images show Kawasaki may be close to releasing an electric sports bike aimed at the entry level market - an electric Ninja 300 of ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HVS5foMyBM Ninja Electric Motorcycle Conversion - YouTube Video for Kawasaki Ninja electric 5:16 Aug 8, 2009 - Uploaded by djcvids Project converting Ninja 750R motorcycle to 48V electric vehicle. ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5l3BaYCV-w Electric Ninja 250 - YouTube Video for Kawasaki Ninja electric 7:41 Jul 2, 2008 - Uploaded by Brad Quick Come for a ride with me on my Ninja 250 which I converted to all electric! ... My thoughts as a new rider of the ... ... http://www.northwestnissans.com/board/threads/71577-How-To-Video-build-an-electric-Kawasaki-Ninja-motorcycle How To Video: build an electric Kawasaki Ninja motorcycle Mar 25, 2008 - Total cost to build is about $2,800 which includes the cost of the original bike, the (all-new) motor and electronics, new tires, etc. Cost to run ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzi4tL3QMWk For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=subject%3Aevln+NOT+subject%3Aredays=0sort=date http://www.independent.com/pr/2015/mar/16/save-date-santa-barbara-earth-day-press-release/ 2015 Earth Day Festival @Alameda Park 11a-6p 4/18-19 Santa Barbara CA http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/Mar/ALD-Automotive-assists-NCP-with-move-to-electric-vans/0438018810 NCP Car parks deploy e-NV200 e-vans for London.uk fleet's everyday use http://www.airqualitynews.com/2015/03/05/tfl-awards-deal-for-londons-first-all-electric-bus-route/ Arriva operating Optare ebus on TfL contract for London.uk 312 route http://www.airqualitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/London-electric-bus-e1425572286258.jpg http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/07/california-considering-bill-cut-sales-tax-green-cars-half/ CA Bill for 3% Sales Tax On plugins
Re: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube
It is clearly the sun causing the problem. Some years ago I was designing RFID readers for cow tags, I found that the tags themselves were sensitive to sunlight! In fact, any chip that does not have sunlight positively excluded is this meter will probably have a chip bonded to the bottom of the pcb directly with a blob of sealer on the top. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2015 10:56 a.m. To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube Malfunctioning meter.: https://youtu.be/xNy8IOlRkII This is the correct url. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/0d32c3cf /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 30 BMW C evolution e-cycles delivered2 Barcelona policia.es
http://auto.ndtv.com/news/barcelona-police-gets-30-bmw-electric-scooters-747399
Barcelona Police Gets 30 BMW Electric Scooters
March 17, 2015
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A fleet of maxi scooters comprising 30 BMW C evolution was delivered to the
Barcelona City Hall for use by the local police. The first completely
electrically powered scooter manufactured by BMW Motorrad will allow the
police to move with maximum efficiency and zero emissions.
BMW Motorrad's C evolution combines sheer electric riding pleasure with
excellent dynamic qualities as well as the advantages of a zero emission
vehicle, thereby providing a whole new riding experience.
With its high performance, the BMW C evolution was a perfect choice for
Barcelona - a pioneering city in the use of environment-friendly vehicles.
The model purchased by the city authorities is identical to the regular
version, but with modifications to adapt it to police use. These include a
raised screen for protection purposes and a public address and signalling
system.
Highlighting the importance of the delivery of this fleet for BMW, Guenther
Seemann, President of BMW Group Spain, was there to hand over the scooter
keys to mayor Xavier Trias. Seemann said, The delivery of this fleet is a
special achievement for the BMW Group for two main reasons: it is the first
fleet of electric maxi scooters worldwide to be supplied and secondly the
recipient is the city of Barcelona - a role model in Europe when it comes to
two-wheel mobility. At the BMW Group we believe strongly that the future of
urban mobility will be shaped in the next few years by cities with minimum
emissions.
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Re: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube
Is it a specific band of sunlight, such as IR, that causes the effect? On March 18, 2015 5:18:45 AM CDT, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is clearly the sun causing the problem. Some years ago I was designing RFID readers for cow tags, I found that the tags themselves were sensitive to sunlight! In fact, any chip that does not have sunlight positively excluded is this meter will probably have a chip bonded to the bottom of the pcb directly with a blob of sealer on the top. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2015 10:56 a.m. To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube Malfunctioning meter.: https://youtu.be/xNy8IOlRkII This is the correct url. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/0d32c3cf /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/4a4c83db/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube
Chris Meier via EV wrote: Is it a specific band of sunlight, such as IR, that causes the effect? It depends on exactly what part is being affected. Silicon devices (most ICs, transistors, and diode) are most affected by infrared light. LEDs are most affected by light of the same color as the light they produce. If there is an actual light level sensor (photoresistor, etc.) then it could be responsive to the whole spectrum. This is all affected by whatever filters the light has to pass through first. For example, PCB material is usually greenish; so light that passes through it to get to the chip on the back will be mostly green. That said... while any given device is the most sensitive to its favorite color, it still reacts to other wavelengths. Sunlight is so intense and has such a broad spectrum that it will affect all of them. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube
https://youtu.be/xNy8IOlRkII This is an interesting video clip, not just for the strange behavior of the meter, but because you can REALLY tell that it's not in an EV. Wow, that is a noisy ICE! I suppose the meter question is peripherally related to EVs in the sense that a meter like this might be used in conversion EVs. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I think it would be good to experiment to find the wavelengths involved. There was a recent dustup about the Raspberry Pi II being camera shy. It was rebooting when photographed with a Xenon flash equipped camera. It turned out that chip U11 was photosensitive and the fix was to put a little blue-tac on it... or keep it in an opaque plastic box if you were taking photos. cheers, sean On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Meier via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Is it a specific band of sunlight, such as IR, that causes the effect? On March 18, 2015 5:18:45 AM CDT, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is clearly the sun causing the problem. Some years ago I was designing RFID readers for cow tags, I found that the tags themselves were sensitive to sunlight! In fact, any chip that does not have sunlight positively excluded is this meter will probably have a chip bonded to the bottom of the pcb directly with a blob of sealer on the top. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2015 10:56 a.m. To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube Malfunctioning meter.: https://youtu.be/xNy8IOlRkII This is the correct url. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/0d32c3cf /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/4a4c83db/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sean Korb spk...@spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 The more you drive, the less intelligent you get --Miller Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -P. Picasso -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/3f8fcb55/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the idea that wont die...
First of all, stupid is not fitting word for this list Second; if an idea doesn't die there must be a reason ie Electric cars... Perhaps battery swapping doesn't work for public use, but all electric swappable-battery trucks ran until the 1960's just fine. In a fleet or industrial application swapping makes sense. I always like Clare Bell ev light rail concept, swapping the packs at each end in the days of lead -acid..with lithium the swappling could be at one end or the route 3x as long.there are many apps out there that can use different EV solutions.Please stay open-minded also.. the most important thing for a bicyclist is to stay upright - sometimes that means pushing your presence in to auto drivers conscience I don't shop where I can't charge. I also think that there are a number of different possible business models for how a swap might work, including some that we haven't thought of yet. Fundamentally the problem is economics: in a car you have a $100 tank that you're filling up with $50 of fuel. But in an EV, you have a $40,000 pack that you're filling up with $5 of fuel. That's...that's an excellent observation that puts it in a perspective I've never thought about before. On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/b88ec0de/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die...
My first EV which was call Transformer I and still driving it today had two large batteries in it. One 300 ah 50 cell in the back and one 300 ah 40 cell in the front. These were like fork lift batteries. The company, Electric Fuel Propulsion Company, base in Troy Michigan, also built the batteries for mail and fork lift vehicles. The motor and transmission also can be remove by dropping these units by using a modified floor jack with supports for the motor and transmission. The motor and transmission cross member mounts are modified so the cross member can be unbolted and drop down. Only have to remove the two power wires off the motor, unplug sensor wires from the motor and shifting cable from the transmission. After the vehicle is jack up 30 inches on heavy duty jack stands, it only takes about 65 minutes to do this exchange. When I visit the plant in 1976, they show me how to replace the battery packs. You first lift the vehicle about 2 feet and place four heavy duty dolly under the battery box which was made out of 1/4 thick aluminum weighing about 1500 lbs each. You unplug the battery box, and remove twelve 1/2 inch bolts. Then you lift the vehicle about 12 inches more and roll the battery box out. I then could do the maintenance on this battery. This was normally pulling a cell out, pulling the cell plates out of the cell box which is call a jar. Record the specific gravity of the electrolyte and place the cells in a container of distill water. The container is place on a table that vibrated that removes the particles between the plates. Test the battery for any shorts between the cells. If required, pull out a separator and push in a new separator at the same time. Reassemble the cell, replace the electrolyte with the same specific gravity reading that was remove, charge the cell and the way you go for another 10 years or so. Today, the batteries which are Li Ion - Graphite type can also be remove in about one hour. There are three aluminum battery containers that hold 108 cells each. They are bolted down onto a plated steel plate inside a fiberglass battery box with six 3/8 inch bolts. To remove these batteries, the hatch cover can be lifted up to 90 degrees, and the battery box cover can also be lifted up at 90 degrees. Two battery cables are unbolted from the batteries and the BMS cables are unplug from the Onion BMS control unit. Use a modified engine hoist that uses a cable is connected to the end plates of the batteries which has built in eye hooks for lifting the batteries out of the EV. Make everything maintenance ease when designing your EV. Roland - Original Message - From: Jorg Brown via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: Ben Gorenmailto:b...@trumpetpower.com ; Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway. Yes and no. The owners of the forklifts and the batteries swap the batteries in and out the same way you yourself might swap the batteries on your cordless drill. But what the owners of the forklifts _aren't_ doing is swapping batteries with some other company that charges them. That's the part that doesn't make economic sense. Right. With a forklift, you own 2 or 3 batteries, and you do the swap. The only economic change is that the battery becomes slightly more valuable as you charge it, and then less valuable as you use it (and depreciate it). Your total economic investment isn't changing by several thousand dollars up or down when you swap, and there's no opportunity for you to ditch your pack onto some other poor guy because you fried it that time when you left the forklift lights on all night. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/fc25e9b9/attachment.htmhttp://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/fc25e9b9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/5912acdc
[EVDL] Fwd: [NEDRA] 100-plus-racers-just-bought-fiat-500e-electric-cars
I'm certain this will be of at least equal, if not more, interest here. I still say the major automakers are missing out on a gold mine by not yet releasing relatively inexpensive electric-powered sports cars for the testosterone-poisoned crowd. Perhaps this will help nudge them in that direction. b Begin forwarded message: From: Jay Donnaway jr...@aol.com [NEDRA] ne...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NEDRA] 100-plus-racers-just-bought-fiat-500e-electric-cars Date: March 18, 2015 11:51:25 AM MST To: ne...@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: ne...@yahoogroups.com http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1097317_100-plus-racers-just-bought-fiat-500e-electric-cars Sure, they ain't drag racers, but this sort of thing will open a lot of new eyes. Also FYI, the Kia Soul EV is leaking out of compliance states already and a couple of cars have made it to Washington State dealers. Scuttle is that a wider release is coming as Kia is able to ramp up production... __._,_.___ Posted by: Jay Donnaway jr...@aol.com Reply via web post•Reply to sender •Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (1) VISIT YOUR GROUP • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Watch Malfunctioning meter. on YouTube
Yes it was in my veggie diesel. I posted here because the guys on the diesel list are not as savvy as the EV list concerning electronics. It's a neat gizmo that is easier to use than the meters in our cars as it needs no wiring. However my diesel is a solar vehicle of sorts. I run it on vegetable oil which is grown by sun power. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150318/277c8a1e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die...
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway. Yes and no. The owners of the forklifts and the batteries swap the batteries in and out the same way you yourself might swap the batteries on your cordless drill. But what the owners of the forklifts _aren't_ doing is swapping batteries with some other company that charges them. That's the part that doesn't make economic sense. Right. With a forklift, you own 2 or 3 batteries, and you do the swap. The only economic change is that the battery becomes slightly more valuable as you charge it, and then less valuable as you use it (and depreciate it). Your total economic investment isn't changing by several thousand dollars up or down when you swap, and there's no opportunity for you to ditch your pack onto some other poor guy because you fried it that time when you left the forklift lights on all night. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150317/fc25e9b9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
