Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
gt;> >>>>>>According to >>>>>>https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html >>>>>>5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. >>>>>> >>>>>>Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and >>>>>>9, >>>>>the >>>>>>battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). >>>>>> >>>>>>45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. >>>>>>Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around >>>>>17. >>>>>>Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated >>>>>>total >>>>>>range. >>>>>> >>>>>>What happened to the other 4 kWh? >>>>>> >>>>>>And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has >>>>>>had >>>>>>miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. >>>>>> >>>>>>Peri >>>>>>-- next part -- >>>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>URL: >>>>>>< >>>http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html >>>>>>___ >>>>>>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>>>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>>>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>>>>>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- next part -- >>>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>URL: >>>>>>< >>>http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html >>>>>>___ >>>>>>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>>>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>>>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>>>>>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>>>> >>>>>___ >>>>>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>>>>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>>> >>>___ >>>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>-- next part -- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: >><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/500b6fe9/attachment.html> >>___ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/0564bd13/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
George Tyler via EV wrote: I know my Prius computers draw a total of 250W standing still. if the leaf was similar, whats 250Wh consumed in an hour even if you did not move. Just a quick data point: My wife drove our 2013 Leaf to choir practice this evening. Temperature about 15 deg.F. It used 40% of its charge on the way there with the heater on. So on the way back, she left the heater off (just used the seat and steering wheel heaters), and it used 20%. So the heater is using about as much power as driving the car down the road. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
I know my Prius computers draw a total of 250W standing still. if the leaf was similar, whats 250Wh consumed in an hour even if you did not move. On 07-Dec-18 5:24 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, Steve, are you inferring the the 3.2 miles / kWh number could be inaccurate? If it's reasonably accurate, it becomes irrelevant on how efficiently I'm driving (yes, stop & go makes a big difference). I agree, my capacity and remaining charge estimates may be off. That's where the LeafSpy would help. Again, anyone care to recommend a ODB2 device? Peri ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Koch-paid Tobacco-Defenders escalate to Kill EV Tax Credit
% The fight is: (Koch-bros')evil vs (public's)good % https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/12/06/koch-commissioned-nera-study-aims-kill-electric-vehicle-tax-credit Kochs Fund Study to Kill Electric Vehicle Tax Credit Via Same Group That Defended Tobacco Industry December 6, 2018 Ben Jervey [images / Courtesy of Union of Concerned Scientists https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/styles/full_width_blog_image/public/blogimages/koch-not-science.jpg?itok=AqQnJPeV Koch Industries logo with 'not science' stamped over in red https://www.kochvsclean.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screen-Shot-2018-12-05-at-9.56.50-PM-1024x251.png Koch-Funded Echo Chamber Echoes Koch-Funded Study ] When Koch Industries needs a study to cast doubt on the benefits of electric vehicles (EVs), where does it turn? Unsurprisingly, to an industry-funded study mill that infamously produced a key report defending the tobacco industry that was deployed by Philip Morris in the 1990s, and which has since published studies commissioned by the liquefied natural gas (LNG) industry, the coal industry, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce [ https://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/19/revealed-reuters-ids-nera-economic-consulting-third-party-contractor-doe-lng-export-study ]. As Congress debates whether to extend, end, or leave alone the federal EV tax credit, a study critical of the incentive has been making the rounds in conservative media outlets and Koch-affiliated free market advocacy groups. The study, conducted and published by NERA (National Economic Research Associates) Economic Consulting, was commissioned by Flint Hills Resources, a refinery group and fuels marketing company that also happens to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries. Predictably, Koch-affiliated and -funded groups are actively promoting the study and calling for Congress to end the tax credit. This week, the American Energy Alliance (AEA) issued a press release about the study itself, quoting former Koch Industries lobbyist and current AEA President Thomas Pyle. The group also delivered copies of the NERA study to lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Meanwhile, The Daily Caller News Foundation shrieked that the study “warns of dire consequences” if the EV tax credits are extended. The Daily Caller News Foundation is funded almost entirely by Charles Koch's foundations. An op-ed published last week that promoted the NERA study and argued for an EV tax credit phase-out was penned by Phil Kerben, who has worked at one Koch-funded organization after the next throughout his career — Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, and the Club for Growth — and is currently the head of American Commitment. Pyle and Kerben also both signed onto the latest in a series of letters from a coalition of conservative free-market groups to House leaders, demanding that Congress not lift the cap on EV tax credits, which originally limited the credits to the first 200,000 cars per manufacturer. The letter is the second from this coalition in as many months, and at least the third sent by these groups this year. The Koch Network's Last Ditch Attempt to Kill the EV Tax Credit The aggressive deployment of this NERA study suggests an escalation in the Koch-funded attack on the EV tax credit in the last few weeks of Republican control of both chambers of Congress. Koch Industries has publicly voiced its opposition to the EV tax credit, routinely citing this NERA study and other fossil fuel-funded and roundly debunked studies. In October, Koch Industries lobbyist Philip Ellender sent a letter to senators urging opposition to any expansion of the tax credit. In November, Ellender issued another statement opposing any tax extender packages, “especially” the EV tax credit. In this statement, the Koch lobbyist referenced the NERA study, without noting that it was commissioned by a Koch Industries subsidiary. The Latest in a Long History of NERA's Industry-Funded 'Studies' This script isn't new. In the early 1990s, Phillip Morris hired NERA to produce reports that would argue against the health benefits of smoking bans in restaurants and workplaces. Another particularly egregious NERA report commissioned by Phillip Morris found no connection between advertising and smoking rates, providing tobacco companies with literature to argue against cigarette advertising bans. Foreshadowing today's deployment of NERA materials in an auto policy debate, in 2001 a NERA study was used to fight against a Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) mandate in California. More recently, when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was finalizing the Clean Power Plan in 2014, NERA issued a report claiming that Obama's signature climate plan would greatly increase electricity bills. Despite the fact that the NERA study used faulty efficiency cost assumptions, out-of-date renewable energy cost assumptions, and did not include any economic benefits of efficiency and emissions reductions, the study
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181208
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EVLN: 2hr weflywright.com e-Easyjet flights>less noise,,emissions
'EV' set to include planes
3 Dec 2018 The ultimate dream of electric air travel has just taken another
step forward. Easyjet has announced that it is in talks with American
company Wright Electric to ...
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EVLN: Outrageous Leaf NISMO RC e-racer> green urban runabout (v)
This Nissan Leaf NISMO RC all-electric racer is outrageous
Nov 30, 2018 You may look at the Nissan Leaf and think “green urban
runabout,” but the automaker’s NISMO racing specialists saw serious ra...
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Should You Lease An Electric Vehicle?
Dec 3, 2018 Leasing can be a cheaper way to go, but it’s not without
pitfalls While it virtually guarantees you'll be making perpetual car
payments, leasing an electric vehicle for two or three years can help ensure
you'll keep up with the ...
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700bhp Porsche 911 restomod packs Tesla electric power
4 December 2018 The world's best classic car electric conversions * This
all-electric classic Ford Mustang will redefine the muscle car * ...
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Teen admits guilt in fatal Monroe prom night crash
2018-12-03 A 17-year-old Monroe student who was driving the car in a prom
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[EVDL] EVLN: Outrageous Leaf NISMO RC e-racer> green urban runabout (v)
https://www.slashgear.com/this-nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-all-electric-racer-is-outrageous-30556477/ This Nissan Leaf NISMO RC all-electric racer is outrageous Nov 30, 2018 Chris Davies [images https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018_LEAF_NISMO_RC_track_10-980x620.jpg This Nissan Leaf NISMO RC all-electric racer is outrageous https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018_LEAF_NISMO_RC_04.jpg https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/nissan_edams_tokyo_launch_24.jpg https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018_LEAF_NISMO_RC_track_05-1080x720.jpg With dual electric motors, all-wheel drive and an aggressive, restyled body shape, the purpose-built Nissan LEAF NISMO RC demonstrates how Nissanís electric vehicle technology can deliver exciting yet quiet, zero-emission power ñ a key component of the companyís Nissan Intelligent Mobility vision. The model is equipped with advanced battery technology and drivetrain components from the Nissan LEAF, the worldís best-selling electric car https://www.slashgear.com/this-nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-all-electric-racer-is-outrageous-30556477/#jp-carousel-556480 video https://youtu.be/TAp0AnqaYeE Nissan unleashes all-new LEAF NISMO RC electric race car 0:46 Nov 30, 2018 - Uploaded by NISMO TV The all-new Nissan LEAF NISMO RC, an electric race car with more than double the maximum power and ... ] You may look at the Nissan Leaf and think “green urban runabout,” but the automaker’s NISMO racing specialists saw serious race potential in the electric car. Witness, then, the all-new – and seriously appealing – Nissan Leaf NISMO RC, the regular Leaf’s bonkers racing sibling, complete with a whole lot of power. Nissan may have brought refreshes of the Murano and Maxima to the LA Auto Show 2018 this week, but it saved the Leaf NISMO RC all for itself in Japan. It’ll debut on the track on December 2, at the annual NISMO Festival at Fuji International Speedway. There, it’ll take pride of place next to the new Nissan Formula E car. As with an old friend with new plastic surgery, you have to look closely to see the regular Leaf hatchback underneath the NISMO RC changes. The bodywork has been seriously overhauled, with an aggressively long hood leading to Nissan’s V-motion grille. Silver and black paint is picked out with NISMO’s traditional red accent color. The front and rear sections are removable, and the whole car is almost 15 feet long with a 9 foot wheelbase. However it’s significantly lower to the asphalt than a regular Leaf. In fact, at at under 48 inches tall, it’s about a foot lower down. Underneath is a full carbon-fiber racing monocoque structure, to which Nissan and NISMO have bolted a variety of new parts. The regular Leaf donates its high-capacity lithium-ion battery and inverters, but here they feed the Leaf NISMO RC’s two 120 kW electric motors. Together they deliver 240 kilowatts and over 470 lb-ft of torque. It’s all-wheel drive, with power managed independently to the front and rear axles. The battery pack is placed in the center to help with balance, while the electric motors and inverters are positioned right over the wheels. Total weight is around 2,690 pounds. Of course, the big thing here is performance. Nissan says the Leaf NISMO RC will do 0-62 mph in 3.4 seconds, making it 50-percent faster than the old car. That’s courtesy of more than double the maximum power and torque of the racer’s predecessor. “The all-new Leaf NISMO RC shows how we’re setting our sights even higher when it comes to raw power and performance,” Executive Vice President Daniele Schillaci, Nissan’s global head of marketing, sales and electric vehicles, said of the car, “making electric vehicles even more exciting for customers.” Sadly, that doesn’t extend to actually selling them. While this might seem the perfect addition to Nissan dealerships – we can see it sitting nicely alongside the Nissan GT-R for those who demand some green with their grunt – the automaker only plans to make six of them in total. They’ll be used as EV halo vehicles around the world, with demonstrations at major shows along with Formula E races. [© slashgear.com] https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/30/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-race-car-electric-ev/ Nissan Leaf Nismo RC Like the last car, we can expect the occasional shakedown at the track as well, as Nissan will want to show off what its elec... https://jalopnik.com/the-new-nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-electric-race-car-looks-fr-1830766912 The New Nissan Leaf Nismo RC Electric Race Car Looks Frickin' Sweet It takes a certain type of object, event or situation to use the descriptor “frickin’ sweet” instinctively and non-sarcastica... https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a25357357/nissans-leaf-nismo-rc-photos-info/ Nissan's New Electric Race Car Looks Super Sinister Race cars always look how designers and engineers would have preferred to see their road-going creations, and the one "based ... +
[EVDL] EVLN: 2hr weflywright.com e-Easyjet flights>less noise, $$$$, emissions
https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/smart-mobility/europe/news/ev-set-include-planes
'EV' set to include planes
3 Dec 2018 Tim Harrup
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It is not just on the roads (and rails) that electric transport is making
news. The ultimate dream of electric air travel has just taken another step
forward. Easyjet has announced that it is in talks with American company
Wright Electric to build aeroplanes powered by electric batteries. These
would be suitable for short haul flights of under two hours.
Wright Electric, a company founded two years ago, already has an electric
two-seater aircraft to its name, and is planning to launch a nine-seater
next year. It has lodged a patent request for its electric aircraft engine.
According to the company, electric aeroplanes could be 50% less noisy and
10% less expensive than current aircraft. Emissions from burning aircraft
fuel would be eliminated.
As for Easyjet, it specialises in relatively short flights around Europe,
and many of these may fit the criteria of the new aeroplane.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Electric
Wright Electric is a startup company aiming to create an electric airliner
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Should You Lease An Electric Vehicle?
Dec 3, 2018 Leasing can be a cheaper way to go, but it’s not without
pitfalls While it virtually guarantees you'll be making perpetual car
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181207
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EVLN: Tafel's VietWar-era Autoette nEVs terrorized pedestrians
The Autoettes of Long Beach: electric cars before they were cool
2018-12-03 'EVent: The Autoette, As Modern as Today: Long Beach and the
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EVLN: Electrification juices tuner/hot-rodder/customizer culture
For Tuners and Hot Rodders, the Electric Cars of the Future Present a Host
of New Challenges
November 30, 2018 “Thus, the stakes can be much higher modifying an
electric vehicle versus modifying a traditional vehicle, and these risks
should not be taken lightly.”.
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York trials electric bin lorry
4th December 2018 Electric vehicle technology has progressed at an
extremely quick rate over the past years, allowing larger vehicles to travel
... “We’re keen to try this new electric bin lorry in York to see how it
copes with our needs and to ensure it allows us to continue to collect waste
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Ford files 'Mach E' trademark, possibly for EV crossover
Dec 4th 2018 Ford has been teasing its upcoming performance electric
crossover using a ... With inspiration taken from the company's Mustang
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EVfire: Disney Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride parade-prop> (smoked toad) (v)
Fail of the Week: How Not to Electric Vehicle
December 3, 2018 If you ever doubt the potential for catastrophe that
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[EVDL] EVLN: Electrification juices tuner/hot-rodder/customizer culture
http://www.thedrive.com/tech/25229/for-tuners-and-hot-rodders-the-electric-cars-of-the-future-present-a-host-of-new-challenges For Tuners and Hot Rodders, the Electric Cars of the Future Present a Host of New Challenges November 30, 2018 Eric Adams [image https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/genovation-hero.jpg ] The age of electrification will add new twists—and risks—to the ancient art of modifying cars. Car culture was built on the backs of tuners and tinkerers, the diehard automotive enthusiasts who, for more than a century, have been willing to swap out engines and transmissions and body parts for stronger, lighter, more powerful upgrades—or in more recent times, even just tweak onboard computers for more turbo boost than the manufacturer might have thought prudent. Cars, after all—even the sportiest of them—must still tow the line on economic, efficiency, longevity, durability, and safety when they leave the factory. Why not dig in a bit once it’s yours, even if it means giving up a bit of something the carmaker or government would rather you have to feed your need for speed? But with the coming age of electrification, is the juice that fuels tuner/hot-rodder/customizer culture about to vanish? After all, electric and hybrid cars are complex black boxes that would scare off even the most committed gearheads. Their motors—dense, sealed cylinders buried deep in the machines—possess no discernible entry point or remotely tweak-able appendages. Batteries present terrifying challenges to anyone without an electrical engineering degree—and rightly so. What’s a wrench looking to dial in quicker acceleration from an electrified ride to do? At first glance, not much. When I asked a Honda representative at the Los Angeles Auto Show about the potential for owner enhancement of electrified vehicles, the typically tuner-friendly company was—predictably, perhaps—decidedly cautious, despite the rabid car culture that surrounded the Southern California venue. “We recognize and appreciate that people want to personalize their vehicles, and we don’t expect that to change as more vehicles become electrified,” said Chris Naughton, after consulting with colleagues on the clearly sensitive matter. “That is why we offer a full range of accessories to help personalize vehicle appearance and, depending on the model, a variety of driving modes to suit the mood or need of the driver.” That said, he then definitively discouraged monkeying with the carmaker's machines in any fashion not developed or endorsed by the company itself, particularly with respect to electric powertrains. “Working with high voltage electrical systems in modern EVs can be very dangerous, with potentially deadly consequences if certain service procedures are not followed precisely,” Naughton said. “Thus, the stakes can be much higher modifying an electric vehicle versus modifying a traditional vehicle, and these risks should not be taken lightly.” But if owners or even professional aftermarket tuners were to try and climb into an EV’s powertrain to monkey around, they’d likely have a tough time figuring out where to even start. Today’s electric vehicles no longer simply have electric motors in place of the engines and batteries where the gas tank used to be; they’re fully integrated in ways that internal combustion vehicles simply never have been. In the new Audi E-Tron SUV, for example, the Quattro all-wheel-drive system alone taps very specific elements of battery, suspension, and motor capability to fine-tune its off-road scrambling and on-road handling. “Such powertrains are very hard to mess with,” said Audi engineer Michael Wein, project manager for the electric Quattro system. “You can’t just boost the turbos anymore or put in new gear ratios. They have to be fit precisely to the right battery and the electronics of the motor itself, and all the thermal management systems factor in, as well. It’s nearly impossible to turn this system because it’s really, really complicated.” He notes by way of example that in internal combustion vehicle programs, each system could be developed more or less independently—but in an electric vehicle, the battery, motor, cooling, chassis, transmission, and electronics, and even the suspension, are all developed as a complete package in a single, very large team. The resulting systems work much faster and in complete harmony with each other—and are in fact already engineered to maximize performance as much as possible. After all, the Tesla Model S P100D electric sedan can accelerate to 60 mph in less than 2.5 seconds, the Audi E-Tron can fully disable its traction control to unleash some legitimately good drifting capabilities, and the Jaguar I-Pace can shred racetracks in the morning then tackle gnarly off-road ascents in the afternoon. On the other hand, we’ve been monkeying with machines since before the Industrial Revolution, so to think that whole line of human desire might grind to a
[EVDL] EVLN: Tafel's VietWar-era Autoette nEVs terrorized pedestrians
'EVent: The Autoette, As Modern as Today: Long Beach and the Electric Car 1-3p 12/8 @Historical Society of Long_Beach-CA, part of https://hslb.org/chrome/ “Chrome: Cruisin’ Cars and Clubs” exhibit' https://lbpost.com/life/autoette-electric-cart-long-beach-history/ The Autoettes of Long Beach: electric cars before they were cool 2018-12-03 Tim Grobaty [image https://lbpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/314906_10151189255869085_1933743809_n.jpg A variety of the sorts of electric carts that once sped along the sidewalks of Long Beach video https://youtu.be/_JIzQUDmW-8 1956 electric autoette car ] If you spent any time walking the mean streets of Downtown Long Beach before 1971 or so, and you’re still alive against all odds, you can consider yourself a survivor of the Autoette menace that terrorized local pedestrians throughout the Vietnam-Cold War-era. For our purposes, Autoette is a trade name for the little electric shopping car created by electrical engineer Robert Tafel in Long Beach shortly after he moved to Long Beach in 1936, but now it’s a generic term for the little three-wheel, stick-steering carts that were manufactured under several names, including Mobilette, Marketeer, Marketour and the Electric Shopper. There were electric cars in existence in Long Beach at the time Tafel arrived in Long Beach. They were called Custer cars, for their inventor, L. Luzern Custer, and to call them cars is to engage in hyperbole. They were basically electric-powered wheelchairs (the term “electric chairs” was probably not much considered) and were chiefly used by polio survivors and infirm veterans of World War I to get around town. The cost was about $300 (more than $5,000 in 2018 dollars), which was nearly prohibitive. Tafel reckoned he could make it cheaper, and he did. Soon the little cars were zipping all over town. If this brings back memories, or dredges up a long-subsumed fear, or if you want to know more about how Long Beach was the sun of the electric cart galaxy, one of the nation’s premier experts on the subject, Larry Fisher, will cover every aspect of the “low-speed electric vehicles” in a presentation, “The Autoette, As Modern as Today: Long Beach and the Electric Car” from 1 to 3 p.m. Dec. 8 at the Historical Society of Long Beach [ https://hslb.org/ ]. It’s part of the society’s “Chrome: Cruisin’ Cars and Clubs” exhibit. Fisher is the executive director of the National Hot Rod Association Motorsports Museum in Pomona, and when you think of hot rods, three-wheeled electric golf-carts don’t automatically spring to mind. “I got into electric carts by accident,” he said. “I collect vintage motorcycles and I was out someplace checking one out at someone’s house, and I saw that he had an old Autoette,” said Fisher. “I said, ‘I remember those when I was a kid,’ and I’d forgotten about them. I passed on the motorcycle, but I bought the car.” At one point, he said, he had 36 of them. Now they’ve joined the fleet at the Historic Electric Vehicle Foundation [ http://www.hevf.org/ ], in Kingman, Arizona, of which Fisher is a charter board member. “After I bought the first one, I started researching them and I began to realize there was a lot of incorrect information about them in the websphere. And I found out that Long Beach was the epicenter of their production.” Tafel had the good fortune of inventing the Autoette just as World War II was breaking out, and the defense industry snapped them up to use in warehouses and factories, where they were put into use instead of gas-powered Cushman carts. “After the war, the momentum increased,” said Fisher. “They became popular as a second car, and their names, like the Marketeer and the Electric Shopper, reflected the idea that they were a viable alternatives to a second car for housewives to do their shopping and run errands. “They were sidewalk legal and curb cutouts allowed them to drive up on the sidewalk, so they could park right in front of the store. Businesses along American Avenue (Long Beach Boulevard) had Autoette parking.” The cars, especially when they took to the sidewalks in large numbers, were more of a nuisance than a peril, said Fisher. “There weren’t a lot of accidents, but the cars were unstable at speed and if you turned too fast you’d flip it over.” At the dawn of the 1970s, the Autoettes had become enough of a problem that they were basically legislated off the streets and sidewalks, and Downtown pedestrians rejoiced. The three-wheeled vehicles are now just a memory. But electric carts are far from dead. In fact, they’re making a resurgence in beach communities, such as Belmont Shore and Naples, where parking is a problem and they’ve become the vehicle of choice for people just wanting to zip into town for a meal or shopping. “People look at these modern vehicles and, yeah, they have better construction and they look nicer, but their performance, ironically, is about the same as the Autoette. They top out at about 25 mph
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
On 6 Dec 2018 at 17:28, Steve Heath via EV wrote: > The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average > is 190 ... If you're getting 190 miles per kWh, I want your EV. I think you probably mean Wh/mile, not miles/kWh. > and this measurement is based on coulomb counting over the distance. > i.e. measuring the amount of power supplied by the batteries to travel > the distance. I think you mean energy, not power. :-) > This is not the same as the amount of [energy] from the plug to charge the > batteries nor is it the same [energy] that the motor uses which causes > further complications. I'm not sure that I understand what the further complications are. As far as I can see, it should be just simple math. The energy use measured at the motor should be the same as the energy consumed at the battery, minus some percentage for losses in the controller, which will vary with conditions, but can be averaged. Am I missing something? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] California's first 350-kW EV charger.
FYI since I can no longer post to the EVDL and I don't know why.I have not seen this yet on the EVDL. Danny Electrify America fires up California's first 350-kW EV charger | | | | | | | | | | | Electrify America fires up California's first 350-kW EV charger Andrew Krok It's not like consumers can use all that juice yet, but hey, future-proofing is always preferred. | | | -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/77d62b3b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
Steve Heath wrote: > The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average > is 190 and this measurement is based on coulomb counting over the > distance. I think you are meaning to state 180-230 Wh/mi? 180-230 mile/kWh would be extremely unusual efficiency for an on-road EV, and mile/kW just doesn’t make any sense ;^> > If I use the capacity used based on voltage then it can get very silly. > I was getting figures of 600-700 w/mile because the voltage vs soc is > non linear. I could drive 25% of the range and the capacity would drop > to 50%. This did not make sense so I stopped using them and fitted > coulomb counters. I do use the voltage to predict low battery but the > rest of the data is just a rough guide. The gauge does look pretty on > the dash though. I understand your reasoning for not using battery voltage to estimate state of charge, but when you quote any efficiency values involving Wh or kWh (Wh/mi or mi/kWh), you are, of course, taking battery voltage into account because power depends upon both the battery voltage and current, and so, therefore, does energy in Wh or kWh. Pure coulomb-counting will only give you energy usage in mi/Ah, which may be useful in the context of your own EV, but does not allow comparison to the usage of other EVs. Cheers, Roger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
th these things. I basically drive back and forth to work and charge when I get to work (there's a J1772 6kw charger here). I don't usually have to charge at home, even in Winter, even if I drive around a bit between home and work. But, I live 9 miles away from work so that's only 18 required miles to get back and forth. Still, driving 9 miles from work to home in Winter will easily take 20% charge, sometimes more. This agrees with my above guess. 9*5 would be 45 miles range at best. On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Cor, So, just to make sure I understand, you have 8 capacity bars, which you're assuming is 100% - 15% - 3 * 6.25% = 66% of 24 kWh, or about 16 kWh, correct? In my case, with between 8 and 9 capacity bars, that would be 100% - 15% - 2.5 * 6.25% = 69%, or 24 kwh * 69% = 16.5 kWh. My estimate for the range remaining doesn't change - I used the table in the link below and did not assume them to be linear. So the rest of my calculations are unchanged. Still results in 3.5 kWh being "lost" somewhere. If someone local (Seattle) has a gid meter and is willing to lend it, I might be able to get some more accurate extrapolations. At least I'd know the true capacity and the true amount of energy used, right? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Cor van de Water via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Cor van de Water" Sent: 04-Dec-18 6:48:24 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Capacity bars are not linear. The 12 bar display is actually anything from 85% to 100% capacity. Below that, every bar stands for 6.25% if I am not mistaken (quoting >from memory) So 7 bar capacity can be as low as 100 – 15 – 4 x 6.25% = 60% so less than 15kWh. Also, there is a reason it is called the GOM (Guess-O-Meter). My Leaf has 8 capacity bars. I can drive home and go from 12 quickly to 10 or 9 and then arrive home with only 6 or 7 bars left. Then drive to work starting with that half charge and arrive at work with still 3 bars left…. I have noticed that range bars are not linear, so you can’t say X bars is so many kWh left. GIDs are a better measurement, so use LeafSpy and you can much better judge what your Leaf is doing. Hope this helps, Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:13 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf ? Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25 kW Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level is 9 capacity bars) Average 3.2 miles / kWh Duration about 1 hr. Driving pretty carefully - usually only 2 "balls" on the usage meter. For electrical systems, I estimate I used about 1.25 kWh. For traction, 14 / 3.2 = about 4.5 kWh Total: 5.75 kWh. According to https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html 5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and 9, the battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). 45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around 17. Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated total range. What happened to the other 4 kWh? And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has had miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. Peri -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -
[EVDL] Anyone looking to power a cement mixer?
Repurposed Materials (https://www.repurposedmaterialsinc.com) has 42 of these (NXT-33) available. Used for five years in a nuclear plant. (Won’t need headlights; just “follow the glow.”) Supposed to have a 20-year lifetime. http://www2.exide.com/bs/en/product-solutions/network-power/product/gnb-flooded-classic-nxt.aspx 2 volts, 2264 ampere-hours, 384 pounds. That’s 4.5 kWh. Would make a killer PV battery, too. Assuming you have a fork lift. Jan ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
at half charge and arrive at work with still 3 bars left…. I have noticed that range bars are not linear, so you can’t say X bars is so many kWh left. GIDs are a better measurement, so use LeafSpy and you can much better judge what your Leaf is doing. Hope this helps, Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:13 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf ? Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25 kW Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level is 9 capacity bars) Average 3.2 miles / kWh Duration about 1 hr. Driving pretty carefully - usually only 2 "balls" on the usage meter. For electrical systems, I estimate I used about 1.25 kWh. For traction, 14 / 3.2 = about 4.5 kWh Total: 5.75 kWh. According to https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html 5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and 9, the battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). 45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around 17. Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated total range. What happened to the other 4 kWh? And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has had miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. Peri -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/500b6fe9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
t;Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Cor van de Water" Sent: 04-Dec-18 6:48:24 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Capacity bars are not linear. The 12 bar display is actually anything from 85% to 100% capacity. Below that, every bar stands for 6.25% if I am not mistaken (quoting >from memory) So 7 bar capacity can be as low as 100 – 15 – 4 x 6.25% = 60% so less than 15kWh. Also, there is a reason it is called the GOM (Guess-O-Meter). My Leaf has 8 capacity bars. I can drive home and go from 12 quickly to 10 or 9 and then arrive home with only 6 or 7 bars left. Then drive to work starting with that half charge and arrive at work with still 3 bars left…. I have noticed that range bars are not linear, so you can’t say X bars is so many kWh left. GIDs are a better measurement, so use LeafSpy and you can much better judge what your Leaf is doing. Hope this helps, Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:13 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf ? Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25 kW Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level is 9 capacity bars) Average 3.2 miles / kWh Duration about 1 hr. Driving pretty carefully - usually only 2 "balls" on the usage meter. For electrical systems, I estimate I used about 1.25 kWh. For traction, 14 / 3.2 = about 4.5 kWh Total: 5.75 kWh. According to https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html 5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and 9, the battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). 45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around 17. Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated total range. What happened to the other 4 kWh? And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has had miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. Peri -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/500b6fe9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Nissan fob compatibility
I am a little confused. You say they are deteriorated but are 60% above original capacity. Is this getting into the "safety" capacity that Nissan doesn't use? What voltage should a module be charged to to prolong life? Like 3.9v instead of 4.1? Extremely curious as I will probably use your Minibms solution for charging. Lawrence On Wednesday, December 5, 2018, 10:56:22 PM PST, Cor van de Water wrote: I have plenty Leaf modules. Most are deteriorated, all are above 60% original capacity. Pull out the key from the FOB, the ID and model are engraved in the plastic under the key. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lawrence Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 9:25 PM To: Cor van de Water Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nissan fob compatibility I saw the programing done on the internet. Took about a minute to do two fobs. I can get my exact fob for 41 dollars. However I see fobs from 4 dollars up. Junk yard wants 78 dollars for a used one. No way. I didn't see the ID for my fob. Supposed to be a sticker on the back. Bad design. I think it might be in the fob somewhere. Haven't found it yet. Is it possible you have 18 to 24 Leaf modules? What are their capacity if you do? Thanks, Lawrence On Wednesday, December 5, 2018, 6:01:34 PM PST, Cor van de Water wrote: Nissan Sunnyvale. This was for the car that I swapped complete battery pack, so it had to be reprogrammed anyway and they were OK with doing both battery programming and adding a FOB for the minimum service fee ($160) which I needed to pay anyway for the battery swap. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lawrence Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:26 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nissan fob compatibility I am curious as to how you programmed your fob? Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/25529a2b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
easurement, so use LeafSpy and you can much better >> >judge what your Leaf is doing. >> >Hope this helps, >> >Cor. >> > >> >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> > >> >From: Peri Hartman via EV >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:13 PM >> >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> >Cc: Peri Hartman >> >Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance >> > >> >Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my >> >2011 >> >Leaf ? >> > >> >Temp about 45F >> >Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW >> >"other systems" drawing about .25 kW >> >Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level >>is >> >9 capacity bars) >> >Average 3.2 miles / kWh >> >Duration about 1 hr. >> >Driving pretty carefully - usually only 2 "balls" on the usage meter. >> > >> >For electrical systems, I estimate I used about 1.25 kWh. >> >For traction, 14 / 3.2 = about 4.5 kWh >> >Total: 5.75 kWh. >> > >> >According to >> >https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html >> >5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. >> > >> >Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and 9, >>the >> >battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). >> > >> >45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. >> >Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around >>17. >> > >> >Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated total >> >range. >> > >> >What happened to the other 4 kWh? >> > >> >And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has had >> >miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. >> > >> >Peri >> >-- next part -- >> >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >URL: >> ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html> >> >___ >> >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> > >> >-- next part -- >> >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >URL: >> ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html> >> >___ >> >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> >>___ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/49c4500e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance
EV > >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:13 PM > >> >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > >> >Cc: Peri Hartman > >> >Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance > >> > > >> >Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my > >> >2011 > >> >Leaf ? > >> > > >> >Temp about 45F > >> >Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW > >> >"other systems" drawing about .25 kW > >> >Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level > >>is > >> >9 capacity bars) > >> >Average 3.2 miles / kWh > >> >Duration about 1 hr. > >> >Driving pretty carefully - usually only 2 "balls" on the usage meter. > >> > > >> >For electrical systems, I estimate I used about 1.25 kWh. > >> >For traction, 14 / 3.2 = about 4.5 kWh > >> >Total: 5.75 kWh. > >> > > >> >According to > >> >https://electrolease.nz/blog/nissan-leaf-range-charts-and-tables.html > >> >5 bars equates to about 45% charge remaining. > >> > > >> >Assuming that the capacity bars are linear and I'm between 8 and 9, > >>the > >> >battery should have somewhere near 17 kWh (24 originally). > >> > > >> >45% of that is about 7.5 kWh remaining charge. > >> >Add in what I've used, 5.75, makes 13.25 kW - but should be around > >>17. > >> > > >> >Plus extrapolating the mileage: 14 / 45% = 31 miles estimated total > >> >range. > >> > > >> >What happened to the other 4 kWh? > >> > > >> >And, am I the only one who get 31 miles per charge? This Leaf has had > >> >miserable winter range since the beginning. Still don't know why. > >> > > >> >Peri > >> >-- next part -- > >> >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> >URL: > >> >< > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181205/ac242f27/attachment.html > > > >> >___ > >> >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > > >> > > >> >-- next part -- > >> >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> >URL: > >> >< > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181204/67c9fb0f/attachment.html > > > >> >___ > >> >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > > >> > >>___ > >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181206/500b6fe9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
