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https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/21/jaguar-chooses-ev-safe-charge-for-its-mobile-fast-charging-needs/
Jaguar Chooses EV Safe Charge For Its Mobile Fast Charging Needs
December 21st, 2018 Nicolas Zart
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We have more news on EV Safe Charge’s portable fast charger. Jaguar just
announced it chose the Californian startup as its official partner for the
North America national launch of its I-PACE.
EV Safe Charge just announced it was chosen for the Jaguar Electrifies
Experience, a multi-city national tour promoting the electric I-PACE.
EV Safe Charge Portable Fast Charger Jaguar North America will use EV Safe
Charge’s portable electric vehicle (EV) fast charger, the EV Charge Mobile,
as one of its suppliers.
The charging system allows event operators to offer Level 2 and DC fast
charging. The company also offers complete logistic support around the
charging system. Caradoc Ehrenhalt, EV Safe Charge Founder and CEO, told us
that this means charger delivery, setup and pickup, operations, and any
required permitting and insurance needed for mobile EV charging.
The Jaguar Electrifies Experience wants to educate consumers on how the
I-PACE drives, feels, as well as the benefits of EVs, by letting attendees
get behind the wheel of the new electric Jaguar. The Jaguar Electrifies
Experience started in San Francisco in October 2018 and is traveling
throughout the United States.
According to Caradoc: “We were put through a rigorous vetting process. The
project required a partner that could not only provide portable Level 2 and
DC fast charging stations but also the logistical support and project
management to handle charging on such a prestigious and arduous series of
nationwide events.
“Part of our ethos is an unwavering commitment to safety and bringing a high
level of industry knowledge and experience to every installation and
deployment – and at any location our customers need it. Event producers
trust us because we are experts. Being approached to provide mobile EV
charging solutions for the I-PACE launch was a great honor and milestone for
our company. It tells the world that we are a company that can be counted on
to fulfill our clients’ EV charging needs.”
Jaguar’s Ian Beavis, chief strategy officer at AMCI Global, was quoted as
saying: “For event planners, there are enormous logistical hurdles to pull
off 24/7 charging in locations where there is no existing infrastructure.
Caradoc has been relentless in pursuing leading edge charging solutions and
was a first mover in mobile fast charging that helped immeasurably in the
successful delivery of these events.”
Charging + Helping The Environment
In our last article on EV Safe Charge, a few comments highlighted how the
portable charging industry uses diesel generators. While EV Safe Charge,
Jaguar, and practically all of us want to see clean renewable energies
powering our lifestyle, the industry at large still favors the best return
on its investment, and that sometimes means diesel.
Caradoc told me that EV Safe Charge partners with the Arbor Day Foundation
and for each EV charger sold and installed, it will plant a tree. He further
added that every new EV charger from EV Safe Charge is shipped from the
Exceptional Children’s Foundation (ECF) and handled with care by adults with
developmental disabilities.
We can get complacent and sarcastic waiting for bold actions from giant
corporations that are moving at glacier speeds, but little steps and big
changes via new business models excite me. At least it’s moving forward
instead of waiting for a perfect world. Incremental steps taken by smaller
companies are better than loud and bold but hollow press releases from the
bigger players.
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EVLN: L3 DC charging leaves L2 AC face-down in the dust
3 reasons why DC charging will leave AC in the dust
12/20/2018 AC chargers were crucial to jumpstarting the electric vehicle
(EV) market, but their days are numbered: electric cars that ...
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EVLN: Kangoo Z.E. 33 refrigerated e-van Xmas Deliveries.uk
Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 Enables Fortnum & Mason To Wrap Up Its London
Christmas Deliveries With Zero Tailpipe Emissions
The use of electric delivery vehicles plays a significant role in the carbon
management plan relating to its Piccadilly store ...
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Dec 19, 2018 Opel has announced a new initiative (in partnership with
Rüsselsheim and the RheinMain University) to convert its hometown –
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What is Santa Claus doing in an electric Volkswagen dune buggy?
12.21.18 Volkswagen looks set to resurrect the emblematic Meyers Manx beach
buggy as an electric vehicle. The company hasn't announced the model yet,
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EVcrash: during detroitflyingcars.com WD-1 prototype taxi-test (v)
Flying Car Prototype Suddenly Goes Airborne And Crashes Down ...
Dec 16, 2018 The WD-1 prototype from Detroit Flying Cars endured a sudden
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[EVDL] EVLN: Kangoo Z.E. 33 refrigerated e-van Xmas Deliveries.uk
https://electriccarsreport.com/2018/12/renault-kangoo-z-e-33-enables-fortnum-mason-to-wrap-up-its-london-christmas-deliveries-with-zero-tailpipe-emissions/ Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 Enables Fortnum & Mason To Wrap Up Its London Christmas Deliveries With Zero Tailpipe Emissions December 22, 2018 Blagojce Krivevski [image https://electriccarsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kangoo-ZE.jpg Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 refrigerated e-vans ] Fortnum & Mason, the iconic London-based retailer, continues to innovate its services by offering cutting-edge delivery through the use of a duo of all-electric Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 refrigerated vans. Working out of its flagship Piccadilly store and newly-opened Royal Exchange outpost in the heart of the City, the zero-emissions-in-use, specially converted light commercial vehicles will complete deliveries in and around the capital, making on average 40 drops a day, seven days a week. Over the festive period they are expected to be even busier as customer demand increases for items such as Fortnum & Mason’s signature hampers, but the van’s real world range of 124 summer miles (75-99 winter miles) means a day’s deliveries can be comfortably completed on a single charge with range to spare. The pairing of Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 replace Fortnum & Mason’s previous Kangoo Z.E., which the store has used successfully since 2015. The additional vans will enable Fortnum & Mason to service the increasing number of customers opting for convenient delivery of in-store purchases, including those that will now originate from the business’ additional store located in the Royal Exchange. Whereas its original Kangoo was an ‘off the shelf’ Panel Van, Fortnum & Mason chose to specify its new Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 vans with refrigerator conversions in order to ensure that customers’ fresh food purchases arrive in pristine condition. In addition to providing a cost-effective method to conduct multi-drop deliveries in central London – the Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 being exempt from the London Congestion Charge and the proposed ULEZ charge, plus qualifying for zero road tax and offering significantly lower running costs compared to a van with a conventional internal combustion engine – the new vans also conform to Fortnum & Mason’s desire to continually reduce the carbon footprint of its operations. The use of electric delivery vehicles plays a significant role in the carbon management plan relating to its Piccadilly store, which since 2015 has been the subject of a number of initiatives and investments that have been implemented to lower its impact on the environment. The introduction of the Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 complements the likes of all electricity being generated from 100 per cent renewable sources, the replacement of conventional lightbulbs with LEDs in store; and the fitment of energy efficient heating. By using the Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 for the basis of its refrigerator vehicles, Fortnum & Mason is not only eliminating CO2 emissions from the exhaust, but also those that would be created from using an on-board diesel generator to power the chiller. Operating in the highly-populated and often heavily-congested capital, the Renault Kangoo Z.E. 33 is the ideal vehicle for Fortnum & Mason’s multi-drop deliveries. No gear changes and instant response make light work of the constant stop/starting for deliveries and driving in traffic, while its near silent running means it also reduces noise pollution yet with the aid of Z.E Voice, which activates an audible warning up to 18 mph, keeps pedestrians safe. The Kangoo Z.E. 33 has a real-world summer range of 124 miles and has a load capacity of up to 4.6m³, coupled with diesel-rivalling payload of up to 640kg. Together with the enhanced 33kWh battery, the Kangoo Van Z.E. 33 benefits from an upgraded charger that reduces charging times and is twice as powerful as its previous one. The single-phase 7kW AC charger can take the new 33kWh battery to a full charge in just six hours, with the ability to ‘top-up’ the vehicle by up to 15 miles in just one hour. The Renault Kangoo Van Z.E. 33 is available in a range of body styles, including Kangoo Van Z.E. 33, Kangoo Maxi Z.E. 33, Kangoo Maxi Crew Van Z.E. 33 and Kangoo Maxi Crew Van Cab Z.E. 33. The Kangoo Z.E. 33 is priced from £18,392, excluding VAT, after the Plug-in Van Grant. The award-winning Renault Pro+ Commercial Vehicle range is supported by Renault Pro+ Business Centres as part of the dealer network, which has been developed to meet the specific requirements of business customers. Benefits of the highly specialised network include finance products tailored for professional customers, extended opening hours and courtesy vehicles that are of the same category (wherever possible), to a dedicated after sales contact. [© electriccarsreport.com] + https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/volkswagens-electric-dune-buggy-could-reach-production/ What is Santa Claus doing in an electric
[EVDL] EVLN: L3 DC charging leaves L2 AC face-down in the dust
(-Tritium pr-) https://www.elp.com/articles/2018/12/3-reasons-why-dc-charging-will-leave-ac-in-the-dust.html 3 reasons why DC charging will leave AC in the dust 12/20/2018 David Finn, CEO, co-founder, Tritium [image / Tritium https://aemstatic-ww1.azureedge.net/content/elp/en/articles/2018/12/3-reasons-why-dc-charging-will-leave-ac-in-the-dust/_jcr_content/leftcolumn/article/headerimage.transform/width750/image.jpg Tritium EVSE ] AC chargers were crucial to jumpstarting the electric vehicle (EV) market, but their days are numbered: electric cars that can take high-power charges are hitting the market within the next two years. Major changes to the EV landscape will occur when these models reach critical mass, and that’s a signal that utilities should stop investing in AC charging infrastructure now. Abundant DC fast chargers in public spaces—including new high-power models that can charge a car in close to the time it takes to fill a gas tank—are necessary to accelerate the transition to low-emission transportation. Public agencies and utilities should prioritize investments in DC infrastructure that serves current and future EV models, so they don’t get stuck with unusable AC assets. Now that policy makers across the country are moving to drive EV uptake by deploying public funds for chargers, they and the utilities should consider the following three technology and market factors when planning for EV needs. 1. Rapid energy transfer The majority of utility investments in the US are for Level 2 public chargers, which provide about 12 to 25 miles of range per hour (RPH) and take from three to 12 hours to fully charge a vehicle. That’s fine for overnight or all-day workplace charging, but it limits vehicles’ usability. DC fast chargers transfer energy rapidly and thus allow wide flexibility in using EVs. As EV owners drive longer distances and need to recharge quickly on the road, they’ll require faster charging. The electrical and cooling equipment needed to move energy from the grid to the battery at these levels is available only in off-board DC fast chargers, which can add between 100 and 200 miles of RPH. Norway, the most advanced EV market in the world, provides a glimpse of the future: as of October 2018, nearly 45 percent of vehicles on Norwegian roads were all-electric, and they’re powered by more than 1,000 DC fast-charging locations. Elsewhere in Europe, IONITY, a joint venture by four major automakers, is building a network of 400 high-power (175kW to 350kW) DC chargers that can power up an EV battery in about 10 minutes—comparable to filling a car at a gas station. Plans call for IONITY stations to operate in 24 European countries by 2020. In October, Gilbarco Veeder-Root, the world’s leading fueling retailer, announced that it will sell Tritium’s DC fast and high-power chargers to gas stations around the world, which will further open the door for the uptake and development of fast-charging vehicles. 2. Future-proofing Until now, there haven’t been enough EVs on the road to justify an investment in widespread public DC charging. By 2025, though, EVs are expected to account for nearly 22 percent of new cars sold in the US, and they will need fast-charging infrastructure. EV uptake is increasing exponentially. The US recently surpassed 1 million EVs sold, as did Europe, and the US had its best month for EV sales in November. Global EV sales have already passed 4 million vehicles. As EVs become more popular and powerful, their batteries will need the faster charging provided by DC products. Investments in AC infrastructure will become stranded assets once we see large shifts to cars capable of faster charging—automakers have announced that higher-power EVs across the cost spectrum will hit the market in the next two years. The next generation of high-power chargers, like those in use in the IONITY network, are “future-proofed”: they can handle current vehicles as well as those to come. 3. New revenue and practicality One DC fast charger can charge multiple electric vehicles daily, making it perfect for corridor charging parks, fleet depots, public parking lots, and shopping areas where people spend a moderate amount of time. While lower-level AC charging is cheaper now, the price of DC technology is dropping, and its benefits will quickly outweigh those of AC technology. High-power chargers will be able to service multiple vehicles at the same time. That means far fewer units will be needed, so DC chargers will be a more cost-effective choice even at a higher per-unit price. Price advantages are shifting at the vehicle level as well. All battery electric vehicles sold now have DC fast-charging capabilities and most have more than a 150-mile range. Retaining AC charging adds cost to the car; removing it will generate savings that can be passed down to EV buyers or added to the automaker’s profit margin. This gives automakers a strong motivation to give up on AC charging,
Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid
One of our long term list members, Darryl McMahon, who I think still contributes here occasionally, wrote a book on hydrogen several years ago. It is available on Amazon as well as from his own site. Covers things being discussed here. http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/index.htm https://www.amazon.com/Emperors-New-Hydrogen-Economy/dp/0595392296/ Nice man, EV advocate for ages. Met him when he visited Las Vegas quite a few years ago. Gail On 12/21/2018 5:24 AM, Willie via EV wrote: On 12/21/18 6:58 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: Willie, Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps it isn’t OT. Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question I’m not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a “source”. So I’ll avoid thread-crapping my own thread. Well, you seemed to be our window to the hydrogen world. Surely "the hydrogen people" have some real or hoped for solutions to the distribution and efficiencies problems. Else, they would not be pursuing. At least sincere and honest people would not be pursuing. Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don’t know what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think that it would also include non-petroleum based natural gas. The concept of "non-petroleum natural gas" was foreign to me. But I now see and guess that might be feed lot and landfill methane. I don't see how "non-petroleum natural gas" would be more virtuous than real natural gas. Or somehow be associated with "decarbonized hydrogen". Of course, "cracked water" has the advantage of being free of the carbon stigma if the electric power used has wind/PV/etc sources. Thanks! ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE 13%
On the grid for saving renewable sourced energy, hydrogen might make sense even with the low efficiency. Because there is a real potential for cheap large scale storage. But to release the energy in a mobile application with by combustion or by fuel cell is probably not a great idea. On a utility scale, after pump storage and other methods are overtaxed, it might be very useful. I am assuming some very environmentally benign battery methods don't arise. You can make a great large tank and fill it, or you can make gabillions of battery cells to store wind, geo, solar excesses, until peak times. I don't think it makes sense for personal, mobile use. On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 5:27 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > https://insideevs.com/efficiency-compared-battery-electric-73-hydrogen-22-ice-13/ > > With the numbers in the subject line. Why would anyone pick fool cells. > With less MSRP you can get a long range Tesla III vs. the fool cell > alternative. You have few fuel stations compared to the world wide Tesla > Supercharger system. WHY? Is range anxiety that much of an issue? Fool > cells are a distraction from the prize. Lawrence Rhodes > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/4c1061b2/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/a77a9d15/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid
I, too, question the meaning of "on a path of 100% carbon-free hydrogen." It's one thing to have a goal and another to be on a path. The latter implies that the technology exists and needs to be scaled (and perhaps optimized). The only technology I'm aware of is using electricity to "crack" water. It's my understanding that the process is so inefficient that it's better to use the electricity directly (and store it in batteries). If that's the technology behind the "path" then please explain why that process is better than using batteries. The other major problem is infrastructure. Unlike EVs, you can't charge at home. So we would need to build out a filling station network equally robust as the petrol system we have today. I suppose you could say that it's partly built since the physical stations exist. But I expect there is extreme cost in installing large hydrogen tanks and providing the complex tank-to-car filling systems. If one is looking at the benefits of hydrogen generated from natural gas, there are some positive arguments. I won't go into that since I do not want to support a technology that continues to depend on fossil fuels. Since a lot of businesses and the government are on board with this, perhaps there's something completely wrong with my assumptions. Please correct me. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" Sent: 20-Dec-18 5:49:16 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades, and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a bit less. In my day job, I recommend and advocate major funding of both battery electrics and hydrogen fuel cell applications. One of my many volunteer roles (“working for free” as Bruce would put it) is serving as Immediate Past Chair of the California Hydrogen Business Council. As some of you may know, the renewable content of hydrogen used in transportation exceeds that of the grid. And the industry itself is on a path of 100% carbon-free hydrogen . Not long ago, the Hydrogen Council, made up of the CEOs of leaders in the industry, released a formal policy supporting 100% carbon-free in transportation hydrogen by 2030. This is 15 years before the 100% carbon-free grid date of 2045 adopted by the California legislature. Tomorrow a release will go out announcing the support of this policy by the California Hydrogen Business Council. The adopted language follows. For those of you who have completely misstated the facts, though intentionally, I hope that you will read it carefully. December 18, 2018 CHBC Endorses Full Decarbonization Goal of Hydrogen in Transportation by 2030 The California Hydrogen Business Council (CHBC) on behalf of its members is pleased to endorse the commitment of the Hydrogen Council to the goal of decarbonizing 100% of hydrogen fuel used in transport by 2030. The goal was announced by the Hydrogen Council on September 14, 2018 at the Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, hosted by Governor Brown: “The Hydrogen Council, a global CEO coalition bringing together 50+ leaders in the energy, transport and industry space, is committed to an ambitious goal of ensuring that 100% of hydrogen fuel used in different modes of transportation is decarbonised by 2030. We are therefore calling on governments to build a global alliance that will create the necessary regulatory frameworks to help make this commitment a reality. Transport may be our first target, but with right level of support we will see positive effects across many sectors. We believe hydrogen can play a key role in the clean energy transition and we are ready to work together with governments to help create the right technical, financial and legislative environment that will enable decarbonised hydrogen to scale up.” Through this commitment to the 2030 goal, hydrogen for transportation can achieve full decarbonization 15 years ahead of the SB 100 mandate of 100% carbon-free electricity by 2045. Attainment of the stated goal of 100% carbon-free hydrogen fuel by 2030 will maintain the position of hydrogen fuel cell electric drive as the lowest-carbon alternative among electric drive solutions. The hydrogen industry is committed to helping California dramatically reduce emissions despite increasing transportation demand by providing a clean fuel that has proven itself in both on- and off-road applications and is emerging as an important alternative to diesel in marine, rail and port applications. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -- next part -- An HTML attachment was
Re: [EVDL] Prius forum question: Prius pack rebuilding
really? I just got rid of 7 Priuses for high self discharge, NHW10's, I
still have a number of packs, now 20 years old, only ever found 1 cell
with low capacity, and 1 with high internal resistance. They still have
over 5 Ah capacity, but i have seen up to an amp self discharge, well
some totally short circuit. It they all have the SAME self discharge,
then this would be true, but with one cell having 1 mA and another 50mA
in the same string there is not much you can do. I have been cutting and
soldering other cells in to fix them for about 8 years, but the cars are
now not worth the work now.
On 23-Dec-18 2:58 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
The guy confuses self-discharge with loss-of-capacity. Since a hybrid
battery is always used within SECONDS of its last charge, self dischrage is
absolutelyu not an issue in a hybrid.
bob
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:28 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
I didn't spend much time looking since this is [off t] and
should really be asked on a Prius forum, i found
https://priuschat.com/threads/prius-gen-3-hv-battery-replacement-nimh-or.186748/
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[EVDL] Johnson Controls (was: NMC chemistry working voltage)
Johnson Controls is very much a battery manufacturer. They make Optima batteries, for example. Johnson Controls buys up other businesses, including battery manufacturers, like Optima. They are a large, somewhat bumbling, conglomerate. (They are kind of like Raytheon, or General Electric.) They bought Optima because they wanted the IP for spiral lead-acid battery technology. Soon after buying Optima, they got rid of the R department entirely, which held all the IP they were after. (This spread the IP to other battery companies and away from Johnson Controls.) They then had to dial back the performance numbers on the spec sheets and the ratings on the batteries because the manufacturing line was unable to troubleshoot problems they encountered manufacturing Optimas. This was because they cut the entire R shop and with it the knowledge to actually keep the line running properly. Bill D. The cell type and cooling method looks a lot like VW does (rectangular cells, cooled at the bottom on a cold plate, 12 cells in a module) though VW tends to use 3 parallel so a module is typically 4s3p (14V), but this seller may have rewired such modules, I don’t know. VW is using 2 different manufacturers. As far as I know, Johnson Controls is a reseller, not a battery manufacturer. Cor. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE 13%
https://insideevs.com/efficiency-compared-battery-electric-73-hydrogen-22-ice-13/ With the numbers in the subject line. Why would anyone pick fool cells. With less MSRP you can get a long range Tesla III vs. the fool cell alternative. You have few fuel stations compared to the world wide Tesla Supercharger system. WHY? Is range anxiety that much of an issue? Fool cells are a distraction from the prize. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/4c1061b2/attachment-0001.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] NMC chemistry working voltage
Note the text in the ad: “Do not use or leave in a car”. So, if you plan on using it as solar battery then fine. If you plan to use it in a vehicle, then you probably have no recourse. The cell type and cooling method looks a lot like VW does (rectangular cells, cooled at the bottom on a cold plate, 12 cells in a module) though VW tends to use 3 parallel so a module is typically 4s3p (14V), but this seller may have rewired such modules, I don’t know. VW is using 2 different manufacturers. As far as I know, Johnson Controls is a reseller, not a battery manufacturer. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ken via EV Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:25 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: ken Subject: [EVDL] NMC chemistry working voltage I may be getting a battery pack of https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-24-Cells-Solar-Battery-90-vdc-2-5-k/123187038180?hash=item1cae8507e4:g:TV4AAOSwjatbITYi:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!97355!US!-1:rk:4:pf:0 with cell of https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-Battery-Single-Cells/123519603290?hash=item1cc257925a:g:YF0AAOSwxZxcAW6P:rk:8:pf:0 is there some where to find a charts of this pictual chemistry ? and is the sellers info correct ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/de6b0e89/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] NMC chemistry working voltage
Also the warnings are for lead acid not Li ion. On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:36 PM Michael Ross wrote: > That eBay pack - there in the title it says 90vdc, then in the spec it > says 45vdc. That would worry me is that the seller may not be up to speed. > Also, the provenance is very important. Charge level and temperature > history are of paramount importance. I think the price is nice - if they > are healthy. > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:25 PM ken via EV wrote: > >> I may be getting a battery pack of >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-24-Cells-Solar-Battery-90-vdc-2-5-k/123187038180?hash=item1cae8507e4:g:TV4AAOSwjatbITYi:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!97355!US!-1:rk:4:pf:0 >> >> with cell of >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-Battery-Single-Cells/123519603290?hash=item1cc257925a:g:YF0AAOSwxZxcAW6P:rk:8:pf:0 >> >> >> is there some where to find a charts of this pictual chemistry ? >> >> and is the sellers info correct ? >> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > -- > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, > Google Phone and Text > > > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/093a0dfa/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] NMC chemistry working voltage
That eBay pack - there in the title it says 90vdc, then in the spec it says 45vdc. That would worry me is that the seller may not be up to speed. Also, the provenance is very important. Charge level and temperature history are of paramount importance. I think the price is nice - if they are healthy. On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:25 PM ken via EV wrote: > I may be getting a battery pack of > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-24-Cells-Solar-Battery-90-vdc-2-5-k/123187038180?hash=item1cae8507e4:g:TV4AAOSwjatbITYi:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!97355!US!-1:rk:4:pf:0 > > with cell of > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-Battery-Single-Cells/123519603290?hash=item1cc257925a:g:YF0AAOSwxZxcAW6P:rk:8:pf:0 > > > is there some where to find a charts of this pictual chemistry ? > > and is the sellers info correct ? > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/16b5e795/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EV ancestor: Zippy 1972 Fiat X1/23 NiZn-pack r:50mi ts:45mph
https://jalopnik.com/way-back-in-1972-fiat-showed-off-this-wild-styling-con-1831131628
Way back in 1972, Fiat showed off this wild styling concept of a small
electric city car called the X1/23
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Way back in 1972, Fiat showed off this wild styling concept of a small
electric city car called the X1/23. By 1976, the company had installed a
13.5 HP front-drive motor, and a rack of nickel-zinc batteries behind the
pair of seats. It was good for about 45 miles per hour, and had a range of
about 50 miles. It was slow and unusual looking, but small and zippy enough
for local congested European city streets.
I saw a picture of this car on social media, and knew I needed to delve
deeper into the history of it. While searching for more information, I found
that Jason Torchinsky had already covered this back in 2015, and frankly did
a better job than I would have been able to. That just goes to show, I’ll
never be able to out-Torch the Torch.
[© jalopnik.com]
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2018-12-22 First off! Here’s a picture of a Fiat 500e electric car I got at
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[EVDL] NMC chemistry working voltage
I may be getting a battery pack of https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-24-Cells-Solar-Battery-90-vdc-2-5-k/123187038180?hash=item1cae8507e4:g:TV4AAOSwjatbITYi:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!97355!US!-1:rk:4:pf:0 with cell of https://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Controls-Battery-Single-Cells/123519603290?hash=item1cc257925a:g:YF0AAOSwxZxcAW6P:rk:8:pf:0 is there some where to find a charts of this pictual chemistry ? and is the sellers info correct ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Clarifying FUD regarding hydrogen.
sions) than the grid Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For those with a strong aversion to relying on fossil fuels, the use of non-petroleum gas is certainly more virtuous than using regular Nat gas. For those concerned about greenhouse gases emissions, use of non-fossil natural gas can result in a net *decrease* of GHG emissions.(if you have questions on this, the best place to look at the California Air Resources Board individual approved pathways for GHG reductions). And yes, many of us remain excited about electrolytic hydrogen using renewable energy sources, particularly since it can help solve the problems many countries are running into where wind/solar resource use needs to be curtailed. Perhaps the most exciting thing about the Hydrogen Council announcement is the breadth of company CEOs that have signed on to the commitment. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 21, 2018, at 5:24 AM, Willie wrote: > > > >> On 12/21/18 6:58 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: >> Willie, >> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in >> there just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but >> perhaps it isn?t OT. >> Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question >> I?m not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a ?source?. >> So I?ll avoid thread-crapping my own thread. > > Well, you seemed to be our window to the hydrogen world. Surely "the > hydrogen people" have some real or hoped for solutions to the distribution > and efficiencies problems. Else, they would not be pursuing. At least > sincere and honest people would not be pursuing. > >> Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don?t >> know what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think >> that it would also include non-petroleum based natural gas. > > The concept of "non-petroleum natural gas" was foreign to me. But I now see > and guess that might be feed lot and landfill methane. I don't see how > "non-petroleum natural gas" would be more virtuous than real natural gas. Or > somehow be associated with "decarbonized hydrogen". Of course, "cracked > water" has the advantage of being free of the carbon stigma if the electric > power used has wind/PV/etc sources. > > Thanks! > -- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 14:48:35 -0600 From: Willie To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] waymo: clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 12/21/18 2:37 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > Bruce, > > I see no connection between your links here and NPR. I have KNPR on my > radio 24/7 and contribute to it monthly. I have never considered it to > be clueless, rather find it quite informative and unbiased. "Unbiased" might mean "matches my bias". I've always considered NPR to have a horrible liberal bias. I could cite numerous examples but will refrain here. I do listen to quite a bit of NPR programming and enjoy much of it. I do hold my nose and contribute annually to our local station. -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ EV@lists.evdl.org For general EVDL support, see http://evdl.org/help/ http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -- End of EV Digest, Vol 74, Issue 37 ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181222/f22634a1/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Prius forum question: Prius pack rebuilding
The guy confuses self-discharge with loss-of-capacity. Since a hybrid
battery is always used within SECONDS of its last charge, self dischrage is
absolutelyu not an issue in a hybrid.
bob
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I didn't spend much time looking since this is [off t] and
should really be asked on a Prius forum, i found
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