[EVDL] Public L2 EVSE 4Cal: ... Blink
Cal's post
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Blink-network-still-good-tp4699254.html
... asks if blink is a good public EVSE for his nonprofit
to consider, and what about semaconnect, or juicebar.
First to quickly answer Cal's questions, I used
plugshare.com as a search tool to know what public EVSE
was in his area, what network they were on, & what EV
driver problems/issues they placed in their checkin's.
A search
https://www.google.com/search?q=Cal+Frye
... gives his work is located in Oberlin-OH
another
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=lcl=BACzX5GrAsOyggfs_LywBw=nonprofit+Oberlin+OH
... gives nonprofits near there
Entering Oberlin, OH into plugshare.com , I viewed
what public EVSE there was: not much. I expanded the
map's view to include Cleveland's (to the North-East
of Oberlin).
Then I selected just one EVSE network at a time, saw
where it was installed, then read EV driver's
checkin's.
Chancing I get flamed, my conclusions are:
https://www.chargepoint.com/products/guides/#ct4000
-chargepoint is the best: reliable, but both EVSE
equipment and network fees are high (you don't
get something for nothing).
https://greenlots.com/products/ev-charging/
-greenlots (shell oil owned), no problems/issues
mentioned.
https://www.evconnect.com/network
evconnect), no problems/issues mentioned.
https://www.juicebarev.com/faq-page
Juice Bar (oasis) 860-308-2054
plugshare did not show their public EVSE
locations.
https://www.juicebarev.com/products/charging-stations/40a
No-good, Too-Many problems/issues mentioned:
-semaconnect
-blink
Way in the past when public EVSE networks were
new, blink had a lot of problems, and semaconnect
had their share of down time to make them both,
'iffy' charging locations.
blink was bought by car charging group, & vw's
e.america began working with them. So, according to
today's EV driver's checkin's, blink still has
woes ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Electrify+America+blink
https://insideevs.com/news/389891/exclusive-interview-electrify-america-problems-solutions/
Below is a captured checkin showing, a free to use
blink public EVSE is trying to bill its customer's for
their use (what part of free is not free?) ...
https://www.plugshare.com/location/162573
Blink
EV drivers ... Charging costs vary on location and membership level -
membership is not required.
https://www.blinknetwork.com/membership.html
Network Support Number: +1 888-998-2546
Get Guest Code http://blinkcode.com/
Free Plugs J-1772
comment: Agent 20201019
We are seeing positive charges for one of the chargers at this location and are
currently working with the host/owner to facilitate the repair of the other
charger. We would like to get the charger(s) fixed as soon as possible. Repair
times for host-owned locations vary as the host location is responsible for the
charger's operation and any required repairs. Sharing your concerns directly to
the location may aid in getting the charger repaired more quickly. If you need
assistance, please do not hesitate to reach out to us 24/7 at 888.998.2546 or
at supp...@blinknetwork.com.
IMO, blink is still too messed up to be considered ...
To select an public EVSE and supportable hardware is
a decision not unlike deciding which EV to buy.
Cal's nonprofit should be thinking about how much
the EVSE will be used and by whom?
Will its use generate enough income to cover the
EVSE network fees (break-even).
Initally, once an EVSE is installed and working,
it takes time for EV drivers to know its available.
some EVSE hardware and networks offer the host:
-to set it as free, no network fees
-available to putit on a network at a later date
-or put it on a network initially.
Btw, there were several charging sites shown that
were free, either offering a nema outlet (no EVSE),
or an EVSE set to free. Some hosts find the
electricity cost is so low, they do not bother
with network fees ...
https://store.clippercreek.com/40-amp-dual-charging-station-14-50
Those with networks, are asking $1/hr to $3/hr
(some confuse users w/ per minute charges).
Since, plugging in, running in to do shopping
and then grab some food takes ~2hrs that is what
shoud be a minimum time allowed to plug in.
I found several DC-50+kW EVSE available closer
to Cleveland. So, I'll assume Cal's will be a
level-2 (L2) EVSE station,and he'll want both
ports to be able to supply 6kW.
I hope this has been of help.
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[EVDL] "BLINK" network
Hi Cal, If someone from Puget Sound Solar can pipe up, they can corroborate this for me, but I believe hearing that they (PSS) had been very busy repairing and eventually replacing a lot of the early Blink EVSE in the Puget Sound area. I know from personal experience, the Blink units on Whidbey Island seldom are working, and have always impossible to read displays. I have heard good reports from users of the Juice boxes and have used SemaConnect units with success. t On 11/16/2020 1:08 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: We're looking to install a two-station charger at a non-profit org, and Blink has some pretty good pricing. But there is little on their network in our area, and news reports are, well, mixed. Would it be advisable to go forward with Blink? Our likely alternatives are SemaConnect or perhaps JuiceBar. -- Kind regards, Tim Economu Offgrid Systems LLC 7664 Hellman Road Clinton, Wa 98236 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Blink network still good
I've been using ChargePoint for my Chevy Volt for the past 4 years at the Kent Central Parking garage in Ohio without any issues. You have to pay $5 to get the activation card for your key-ring, but it's definitely more convenient than using the app on my phone. I did have one event around March 30 this year when flames shot out behind the charge plug on my Volt (or as Bob Rice would say, "A short circus"). The Chevy dealer had my car for almost 2 months and I had to go back and forth with GM about who was going to pay for the replacement. The charge plug was replaced about 2 years ago for a recall because cracks on the plastic around the connector pins on the charge port would get water in the crack and freeze. I believe they screwed something up on the recall installation and I ended up having a short circuit as a result.GM ultimately paid for the repair. I informed ChargePoint about event and they never responded. I've been using the same charger since May without any issues. On Monday, November 16, 2020, 02:12:53 PM EST, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote: Hi Cal, First off, I'm biased - I work for ChargePoint. So what I can say is, that before my current position, I worked for Qualcomm in San Diego. There were a TON of Blink chargers, and they were very rarely working. We used to joke about them "being on the blink, again". I'd dig around some more and see what you can find. Cheers, Peter On 11/16/20 9:38 AM, Cal Frye via EV wrote: > Hey, folks, > Been a while since I had a couple moments to check in. Please forgive > me if this has been answered recently--my search turned up nothing > since 2017. > > We're looking to install a two-station charger at a non-profit org, > and Blink has some pretty good pricing. But there is little on their > network in our area, and news reports are, well, mixed. Would it be > advisable to go forward with Blink? Our likely alternatives are > SemaConnect or perhaps JuiceBar. > > Many thanks! > > Best regards, > -- Cal Frye, > /Be an Internet Sceptic/ Stop. Think. Connect. > www.stopthinkconnect.org - Be at least as safe on the > Internet as you are crossing the street! > > "A closed mind is like a closed book, just a block of wood. --Chinese > proverb. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201116/54530f8e/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201116/2a674618/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Blink network still good
Hi Cal, First off, I'm biased - I work for ChargePoint. So what I can say is, that before my current position, I worked for Qualcomm in San Diego. There were a TON of Blink chargers, and they were very rarely working. We used to joke about them "being on the blink, again". I'd dig around some more and see what you can find. Cheers, Peter On 11/16/20 9:38 AM, Cal Frye via EV wrote: Hey, folks, Been a while since I had a couple moments to check in. Please forgive me if this has been answered recently--my search turned up nothing since 2017. We're looking to install a two-station charger at a non-profit org, and Blink has some pretty good pricing. But there is little on their network in our area, and news reports are, well, mixed. Would it be advisable to go forward with Blink? Our likely alternatives are SemaConnect or perhaps JuiceBar. Many thanks! Best regards, -- Cal Frye, /Be an Internet Sceptic/ Stop. Think. Connect. www.stopthinkconnect.org - Be at least as safe on the Internet as you are crossing the street! "A closed mind is like a closed book, just a block of wood. --Chinese proverb. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201116/54530f8e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Blink network still good
Hey, folks, Been a while since I had a couple moments to check in. Please forgive me if this has been answered recently--my search turned up nothing since 2017. We're looking to install a two-station charger at a non-profit org, and Blink has some pretty good pricing. But there is little on their network in our area, and news reports are, well, mixed. Would it be advisable to go forward with Blink? Our likely alternatives are SemaConnect or perhaps JuiceBar. Many thanks! Best regards, -- Cal Frye, /Be an Internet Sceptic/ Stop. Think. Connect. www.stopthinkconnect.org - Be at least as safe on the Internet as you are crossing the street! "A closed mind is like a closed book, just a block of wood. --Chinese proverb. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20201116/54530f8e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] TMC's Toyoda swipes@ Tesla> (we make real food)
Thank you for this. Lots of competition in this area is great for everyone. A battle to produce the best zero emission and low GHG cars - I would have laughed at the absurdity of this 30-40 years as we prodded to get these on the market. And it’s still early. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Does it matter, right now, who beats who ? The market is so barely tapped, > that there's room for all players, and for a long time to come. If Toyota can > make a cheaper car than Tesla, it probably won't hurt Tesla's market, it will > just mean a new segment of buyers will come. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "EVDL Administrator" > Sent: 15-Nov-20 10:56:30 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] TMC's Toyoda swipes@ Tesla> (we make real food) > >>> On 15 Nov 2020 at 18:33, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >>> >>> Toyota's boss has taken a swipe at Tesla, predicting Elon Musk's >>> electric car company will lose out to established motor manufacturers >>> as they catch up in battery vehicles >> >> When you say "electric car" to someone, is it Toyota that the other guy >> thinks of? >> >> In the US, Tesla owns that space in auto buyers' minds, just as Saturn owned >> the "small car" slot in 1990. I think that's less true worldwide, but >> they're working on it. >> >> In any case, if an established automaker does beat out Tesla for EVs in the >> long run, chances are it won't be Toyota. They dropped that ball about 8 >> years ago and haven't found it again yet. EV time is running out for >> Toyota, especially in Europe and Asia. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> People don't sleep enough, and they all seem to be hunting >> something that can't be caught. You think you're the dominant >> species just because you go to the bathroom in a bowl instead >> of a box. But who's cleaning up after whom? >> >> -- Souseme, "Felines of New York" >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
