Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: large drone ?
But now, we are talking about wings, not rotors. I have seen some images of prototypes that utilize wing-type mechanisms, but most of the drones I have seen still utilize rotors. Can we change the way a rotor creates lift to reduce the downwash? No sarcasm, this is an honest question. George Mullineaux 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C. -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Ken McGraw via EV Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 00:52 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Ken McGraw Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: large drone ? I would suggest you learn how a bee “ flys”KLM Sent from my iPad > On Apr 10, 2021, at 12:02 AM, George Mullineaux via EV > wrote: > > And everyone seems to forget the downwash of the blades. These drones will > be unmanned helicopters capable of lifting hundreds of pounds of payload. The > lift required will cause substantial downwash that can be damaging and > dangerous. My co-worker and I, both with military experience, have mused over > the idea of "flying cars" landing on a street and blowing trash and debris > all over other vehicles and people. The walking/driving robot would be much > less bothersome for home deliveries. The drones could be readily used in an > airport or warehouse scenario. Rather than one or the other, we should be > considering both in concert. > > George Mullineaux > 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey > Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV > Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 17:34 > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Peri Hartman > Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] large drone ? > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender's actual email > address and know the content is safe. > > Now, Lee is really making sense. > > The drone issue is highly controversial. I know the FCC is working on > rules but that's only the start. There are issues with > - noise > - safety > - privacy > - effectiveness. > > The first three are obvious. Lee touches on the fourth. There are problems > with accessing covered porches, avoiding eaves, bushes, wires, and other > aerial obstructions. > > On the other hand, a robot device could navigate anywhere a human does. > It could also be loading the next stop's package(s) while the truck is > traveling. Couple that with autonomous vehicles (in some future > century > :) and the whole process becomes much more efficient than today. > > Peri > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e > vdl.org%2Fhelp%2Findex.html%23usubdata=04%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux > %40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7C927f0f55a8444f96332e08d8fbdc54bf%7C976178c > c71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637536271049277474%7CUnknown%7CTWF > pbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M > n0%3D%7C1000sdata=evOsBWYCoSpXGuJKlkDHVcLTgXReWJNXTcRREQ0ked8%3D& > amp;reserved=0 > ARCHIVE: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e > vdl.org%2Farchive%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecor > rugated.com%7C927f0f55a8444f96332e08d8fbdc54bf%7C976178cc71b24588b8703 > 37d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637536271049277474%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWI > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000 > mp;sdata=Q4a1CaV3WdoVAuZcI9bDjt%2BC2LG9Dxnc65b48Ia2oi8%3Dreserved > =0 LIST INFO: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .evdl.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fev-evdl.orgdata=04%7C01%7Cgeorgemullin > eaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7C927f0f55a8444f96332e08d8fbdc54bf%7C976 > 178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637536271049277474%7CUnknown%7 > CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV > CI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=jftpg95DWizQOYg9daYfOkABIyAiKvtA0IunvEXIyQU > %3Dreserved=0 ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evdl.org%2Fhelp%2Findex.html%23usubdata=04%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7C927f0f55a8444f96332e08d8fbdc54bf%7C976178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637536271049277474%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=evOsBWYCoSpXGuJKlkDHVcLTgXReWJNXTcRREQ0ked8%3Dreserved=0 ARCHIVE:
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: large drone ?
I would suggest you learn how a bee “ flys”KLM Sent from my iPad > On Apr 10, 2021, at 12:02 AM, George Mullineaux via EV > wrote: > > And everyone seems to forget the downwash of the blades. These drones will > be unmanned helicopters capable of lifting hundreds of pounds of payload. The > lift required will cause substantial downwash that can be damaging and > dangerous. My co-worker and I, both with military experience, have mused over > the idea of "flying cars" landing on a street and blowing trash and debris > all over other vehicles and people. The walking/driving robot would be much > less bothersome for home deliveries. The drones could be readily used in an > airport or warehouse scenario. Rather than one or the other, we should be > considering both in concert. > > George Mullineaux > 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey > Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV > Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 17:34 > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Peri Hartman > Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] large drone ? > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender's actual email > address and know the content is safe. > > Now, Lee is really making sense. > > The drone issue is highly controversial. I know the FCC is working on rules > but that's only the start. There are issues with > - noise > - safety > - privacy > - effectiveness. > > The first three are obvious. Lee touches on the fourth. There are problems > with accessing covered porches, avoiding eaves, bushes, wires, and other > aerial obstructions. > > On the other hand, a robot device could navigate anywhere a human does. > It could also be loading the next stop's package(s) while the truck is > traveling. Couple that with autonomous vehicles (in some future century > :) and the whole process becomes much more efficient than today. > > Peri > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: large drone ?
And everyone seems to forget the downwash of the blades. These drones will be unmanned helicopters capable of lifting hundreds of pounds of payload. The lift required will cause substantial downwash that can be damaging and dangerous. My co-worker and I, both with military experience, have mused over the idea of "flying cars" landing on a street and blowing trash and debris all over other vehicles and people. The walking/driving robot would be much less bothersome for home deliveries. The drones could be readily used in an airport or warehouse scenario. Rather than one or the other, we should be considering both in concert. George Mullineaux 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C. -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 17:34 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] large drone ? CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender's actual email address and know the content is safe. Now, Lee is really making sense. The drone issue is highly controversial. I know the FCC is working on rules but that's only the start. There are issues with - noise - safety - privacy - effectiveness. The first three are obvious. Lee touches on the fourth. There are problems with accessing covered porches, avoiding eaves, bushes, wires, and other aerial obstructions. On the other hand, a robot device could navigate anywhere a human does. It could also be loading the next stop's package(s) while the truck is traveling. Couple that with autonomous vehicles (in some future century :) and the whole process becomes much more efficient than today. Peri ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] large drone ?
Drone deliveries might have made sense 10 year ago when Amazon announced they were working on it. Back then folks maybe got packages from Amazon once a month, or heavy purchasers once every week or two. These days a lot of folks get Amazon deliveries every day. Drones may have made sense back when they were delivering one package a day to a given neighborhood. But now when you have a truck load of deliveries for every street, probably doesn't make as much sense. Delivering prescriptions by drone, that sort of still makes sense. However, it takes so long to get things approved by the federal governmet that, by the time they finally get these approved (15-20 years from now?), they will probably no longer make sense. The bureaucracy in the USA is killing inovation. We invent stuff here that we aren't allowed to use for years, or sometimes decades, after it's widely available in the rest of the world. My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key April 9, 2021 1:45 AM, "Bill Dube via EV" wrote: > In my opinion, the "delivery drones" have the wrong paradigm. The delivery > drone really doesn't > need to travel long distances or carry more than one package. > > The real issue is the final 50-100 feet of delivery. The UPS driver has to > park the truck, get the > package out of the back of the truck, and carry it to the front door, then > walk back to the truck, > start it and go to the next address. The "drone" should do only this > "walking" portion of the > mission instead of the driver. The truck just travels by the house, and the > drone flies out of the > top of the truck with the package, and delivers it to the front door, then > returns to the still > moving truck. > > The truck may not need to even stop, but only slow down, or not. The drone > might actually be > tethered for large/heavy packages and very short distances. > > The drone does what it does best; short hops. It returns to the truck quickly > for the next package > and a recharge. > > The driver can ascertain if there is any problem, and intervene quickly to > correct it. The driver > can opt to hand deliver a package that the drone may not be able to deliver > effectively. Perhaps > dense trees, power lines, winds, or other issues. > > Bill D. > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] large drone ?
Now, Lee is really making sense. The drone issue is highly controversial. I know the FCC is working on rules but that's only the start. There are issues with - noise - safety - privacy - effectiveness. The first three are obvious. Lee touches on the fourth. There are problems with accessing covered porches, avoiding eaves, bushes, wires, and other aerial obstructions. On the other hand, a robot device could navigate anywhere a human does. It could also be loading the next stop's package(s) while the truck is traveling. Couple that with autonomous vehicles (in some future century :) and the whole process becomes much more efficient than today. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Bill Dube via EV" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 09-Apr-21 8:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] large drone ? Bill Dube via EV wrote: In my opinion, the "delivery drones" have the wrong paradigm. The delivery drone really doesn't need to travel long distances or carry more than one package. The real issue is the final 50-100 feet of delivery. Very true! Moreover, the delivery drone doesn't even have to fly. It could equally well be a robot. Something "ground based" will also have an easier time dealing with heavier packages, putting a package inside a door, ringing doorbells, etc. It could be an EV, too. :-) Lee -- A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] large drone ?
Bill Dube via EV wrote: In my opinion, the "delivery drones" have the wrong paradigm. The delivery drone really doesn't need to travel long distances or carry more than one package. The real issue is the final 50-100 feet of delivery. Very true! Moreover, the delivery drone doesn't even have to fly. It could equally well be a robot. Something "ground based" will also have an easier time dealing with heavier packages, putting a package inside a door, ringing doorbells, etc. It could be an EV, too. :-) Lee -- A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] large drone ?
In my opinion, the "delivery drones" have the wrong paradigm. The delivery drone really doesn't need to travel long distances or carry more than one package. The real issue is the final 50-100 feet of delivery. The UPS driver has to park the truck, get the package out of the back of the truck, and carry it to the front door, then walk back to the truck, start it and go to the next address. The "drone" should do only this "walking" portion of the mission instead of the driver. The truck just travels by the house, and the drone flies out of the top of the truck with the package, and delivers it to the front door, then returns to the still moving truck. The truck may not need to even stop, but only slow down, or not. The drone might actually be tethered for large/heavy packages and very short distances. The drone does what it does best; short hops. It returns to the truck quickly for the next package and a recharge. The driver can ascertain if there is any problem, and intervene quickly to correct it. The driver can opt to hand deliver a package that the drone may not be able to deliver effectively. Perhaps dense trees, power lines, winds, or other issues. Bill D. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] (Fwd) EV completion help needed
Previously: > Is there someone in this group that can help me hook up my BMS system and > finalize configuring the Hyper 9 motor. Here is BMS I'm trying to use. If > you have one you prefer that will work better, I'm open to suggestions. > https://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=491=204050 > 46a614a57f88e9c923d5dc921f > Please email me your background of working on such projects and hourly wage > you would charge. Location info from John: I'm in Stanton, Orange County, California. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
