Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
Well I am sorry he got annoyed and left but I still disagree. All we are seeing is the adoption curve. Any new technology takes time to be mass accepted. Before the lithium battery electric vehicles were a novelty. Now they are here to stay. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 19 May 2015 at 22:52, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Hi Arak and all, Well you did say that since EV's didn't fit 30% of the population needs it wasn't good on an EV list kind of should expect blowback. Well said Jerry, but Arak isn't listening. Thus challenged, he got indignant and unsubscribed. :-( Let us not forget the immortal Fidonet Principles: Thou shalt not be too annoying. Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed. I'm sympathetic with some of his points, though. Most of us here don't think EVs have to manage all the missions and trips that ICEVs can, but we're not normal vehicle buyers. The average person is not going to pay an ICEV price for a car that does less and covers fewer of his transporation needs than an ICEV does. That's just normal, rational consumer behavior. To really take off, EVs that look and cost like ICEVs have to work like ICEVs. EVs that don't, don't. Hint, hint. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) No way in heck I could get approval for a EV that could work for me. I got a 2014 PriusC at $216/mo, trade-in 2007 Prius. Am I EV? Not so much, but I do get 50-60mpg often. You do the math on all costs involved. But I still couldn't get a loan approved over $25k(-6k trade-in) or so. So for me it wasn't an issue of adoption of the idea. I would love a full on EV, if it suited the use cycle I need. It was budgetary and situational. I belong to the 99%. A good portion of us are in my same boat. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:39:33 -0500 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org It's the same old argument only its not valid. All we are witnessing now is the adoption curve. All new technology takes time to catch on. Everyone I have let drive my car said, oh, this is just like a car. 1 out of ten go out and buy one after driving one. In my experience Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Not stupid at all. You just resent the facts presented in the case. If you want EV's to succeed, you need to face what potential customers think. Solve their issues, and whalla, Success! Stupid or not, those are your customers. The article just simply laid out their thinking. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:31:52 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org How trite!... Also, completely wrong. The current battery is what makes electric cars viable... http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=3710doc_id=277584 Here is my response to this stupid article: The basis of your uninformed claim Yes, Electric Cars Still Need an Innovative Battery is your century and 3 generation old legacy of gas-tank/gas-station narrow minded thinking. Authors who write about EV's with that legacy are blind to the value of EV's. Yes, EV's do not meet ALL of the versatility of the gas car, but they DO meet (and far exceed by a factor of three or more) the value of local travel and commuting which is over 80% of our national vehicle transportation (and emissions)! Why are you so dead set against the 80% solution (which every EV owner will tell you gives them 100% satisfaction and in fact saves them 3:to:1 on operating costs. And costs LESS than the average Gas car? You are quoting 2008 technology, and market, and thinking. Sure in 2010, the first EV's cost more than comparable gas cars. But by 2013 with 15 EV's on the market and the $5k price drop by Nissan and GM, the average cost* of an EV broke even with the average costs of all gas cars sold in America ($31k). By 2015, the average price* of all EV's ($29k) is now $3k LESS than the average gas car and if you ignore the Luxury Tesla, then the average EV cost* ($26k) is now $5k less than the average gas car? And by the end of 2015, there are 40 EV's on the market further bringing down that average cost (*after incentives). So where on earth can you make your outlandish (outdated legacy-thinking) claim about batteries when people who buy EV's represent the HIGHEST satisfied car customers and their cars fully meet their needs? What is missing is awareness and education . of which your article is completely misguided and fails. Please see http://aprs.org/EV-misinformation.html Sorry for the tone. But it is gas driving authors with articles like yours that are holding back EV sales, not the battery. The battery HAS SUCCEEDED in bringing us the ideal local-travel and commuter car. Let those that can use it buy it and get out of the way. Sorry for the tone. But rants feel good sometimes.. Bob, WB4APR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5806538e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
The BMW would work From: Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) No way in heck I could get approval for a EV that could work for me. I got a 2014 PriusC at $216/mo, trade-in 2007 Prius. Am I EV? Not so much, but I do get 50-60mpg often. You do the math on all costs involved. But I still couldn't get a loan approved over $25k(-6k trade-in) or so. So for me it wasn't an issue of adoption of the idea. I would love a full on EV, if it suited the use cycle I need. It was budgetary and situational. I belong to the 99%. A good portion of us are in my same boat. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:39:33 -0500 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org It's the same old argument only its not valid. All we are witnessing now is the adoption curve. All new technology takes time to catch on. Everyone I have let drive my car said, oh, this is just like a car. 1 out of ten go out and buy one after driving one. In my experience Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Not stupid at all. You just resent the facts presented in the case. If you want EV's to succeed, you need to face what potential customers think. Solve their issues, and whalla, Success! Stupid or not, those are your customers. The article just simply laid out their thinking. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:31:52 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org How trite!... Also, completely wrong. The current battery is what makes electric cars viable... http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=3710doc_id=277584 Here is my response to this stupid article: The basis of your uninformed claim Yes, Electric Cars Still Need an Innovative Battery is your century and 3 generation old legacy of gas-tank/gas-station narrow minded thinking. Authors who write about EV's with that legacy are blind to the value of EV's. Yes, EV's do not meet ALL of the versatility of the gas car, but they DO meet (and far exceed by a factor of three or more) the value of local travel and commuting which is over 80% of our national vehicle transportation (and emissions)! Why are you so dead set against the 80% solution (which every EV owner will tell you gives them 100% satisfaction and in fact saves them 3:to:1 on operating costs. And costs LESS than the average Gas car? You are quoting 2008 technology, and market, and thinking. Sure in 2010, the first EV's cost more than comparable gas cars. But by 2013 with 15 EV's on the market and the $5k price drop by Nissan and GM, the average cost* of an EV broke even with the average costs of all gas cars sold in America ($31k). By 2015, the average price* of all EV's ($29k) is now $3k LESS than the average gas car and if you ignore the Luxury Tesla, then the average EV cost* ($26k) is now $5k less than the average gas car? And by the end of 2015, there are 40 EV's on the market further bringing down that average cost (*after incentives). So where on earth can you make your outlandish (outdated legacy-thinking) claim about batteries when people who buy EV's represent the HIGHEST satisfied car customers and their cars fully meet their needs? What is missing is awareness and education . of which your article is completely misguided and fails. Please see http://aprs.org/EV-misinformation.html Sorry for the tone. But it is gas driving authors with articles like yours that are holding back EV sales, not the battery. The battery HAS SUCCEEDED in bringing us the ideal local-travel and commuter car. Let those that can use it buy it and get out of the way. Sorry for the tone. But rants feel good sometimes.. Bob, WB4APR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
Hi Arak and All, Well you did say that since EV's didn't fit 30% of the population needs it wasn't good on an EV list kind of should expect blowback. EV's to sell millions only needs 10% of the market range isn't the problem. The problem is lack of choices, lack of salespeople to sell what there is, advertising by those selling them. And their lack of RE plug, mounting points so any EV can have unlimited range. Or for Alum/Zinc/air RE giving 1,000 mile range. These RE's are proven, viable solution big auto won't use is why EV's are moving slow. But you have other solutions like a used Volt or something you could do easily, get a Karman Ghia and convert to a Volt or other 15kw+ pack should get an easy 120 mile range for around $10k. On lead they have used just 100wthr/mile. Or make a BrubakerBox type Van on a VW chassis.On living near work you take 400+ hrs or 10 work weeks just going to, coming from work plus transport costs so he had a valid point even if you can't do anything about it. Jerry Dycus From: Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I live because I must. This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse requirements and limitations. If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't fly either. Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need. Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas prevails. Point done. I leave the floor. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5d81fab1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/57f10915/attachment-0001.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
Part of the problem is that for a lot of the population there aren't 15 different EV's available... there are two. The Nissan Leaf and and Tesla S. And maybe the Mitsubishi -- not sure if they are still offering it here. I see the Leafs everywhere around here, and usually see a Tesla at least a few times a week -- so sales of those are doing pretty well here. Since we aren't in a compliance state, all of the other dealerships can't get their manufacturers EV's to sell though. I would prefer the utility of a Kia Soul or even a NV200 van over the Leaf, but can't get those here (I've asked.). On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Stephen via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: EVs aren't the answer for everyone... Different horses for different courses... Regards, Stephen On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: First off, there are hundreds of options in personal transportation. Not one vehicle fits all needs so person must choose. This doesn't change just because you're driving and electric vehicle it doesn't suit all needs but neither does a truck or station wagon or Corvette you get the picture. As for the BMW it has extended range have another 70 or 80 miles on gasoline. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I live because I must. This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse requirements and limitations. If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't fly either. Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need. Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas prevails. Point done. I leave the floor. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5d81fab1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/120e6c20/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/f6b986ee/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
EVs aren't the answer for everyone... Different horses for different courses... Regards, Stephen On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: First off, there are hundreds of options in personal transportation. Not one vehicle fits all needs so person must choose. This doesn't change just because you're driving and electric vehicle it doesn't suit all needs but neither does a truck or station wagon or Corvette you get the picture. As for the BMW it has extended range have another 70 or 80 miles on gasoline. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I live because I must. This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse requirements and limitations. If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't fly either. Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need. Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas prevails. Point done. I leave the floor. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5d81fab1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/120e6c20/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
First off, there are hundreds of options in personal transportation. Not one vehicle fits all needs so person must choose. This doesn't change just because you're driving and electric vehicle it doesn't suit all needs but neither does a truck or station wagon or Corvette you get the picture. As for the BMW it has extended range have another 70 or 80 miles on gasoline. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I live because I must. This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse requirements and limitations. If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't fly either. Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need. Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas prevails. Point done. I leave the floor. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5d81fab1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I live because I must. This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse requirements and limitations. If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't fly either. Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need. Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas prevails. Point done. I leave the floor. Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. From: ev@lists.evdl.org I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity. --Rick On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote: I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5d81fab1/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
