I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone. I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol, 5min ok, 10min not so much) No way in heck I could get approval for a EV that could work for me. I got a 2014 PriusC at $216/mo, trade-in 2007 Prius. Am I EV? Not so much, but I do get 50-60mpg often. You do the math on all costs involved. But I still couldn't get a loan approved over $25k(-6k trade-in) or so. So for me it wasn't an issue of adoption of the idea. I would love a full on EV, if it suited the use cycle I need. It was budgetary and situational. I belong to the 99%. A good portion of us are in my same boat.
Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) > Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:39:33 -0500 > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? > It's the battery. > From: ev@lists.evdl.org > > It's the same old argument only its not valid. All we are witnessing now is > the adoption curve. All new technology takes time to catch on. > > Everyone I have let drive my car said, "oh, this is just like a car". > > 1 out of ten go out and buy one after driving one..... In my experience > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 19, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Arak Leatham via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > > Not stupid at all. You just resent the facts presented in the case. If you > > want EV's to succeed, you need to face what potential customers think. > > Solve their issues, and whalla, Success! Stupid or not, those are your > > customers. The article just simply laid out their thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG ) > > > >> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:31:52 -0400 > >> To: ev@lists.evdl.org > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? > >> It's the battery. > >> From: ev@lists.evdl.org > >> > >>> How trite!... Also, completely wrong. > >>> The current battery is what makes electric cars viable... > >> http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=3710&doc_id=277584 > >> > >> Here is my response to this stupid article: > >> > >> The basis of your uninformed claim "Yes, Electric Cars Still Need an > >> Innovative Battery" is your century and 3 generation old legacy of > >> gas-tank/gas-station narrow minded thinking. > >> > >> Authors who write about EV's with that legacy are blind to the value of > >> EV's. Yes, EV's do not meet ALL of the versatility of the gas car, but > >> they DO meet (and far exceed by a factor of three or more) the value of > >> local travel and commuting which is over 80% of our national vehicle > >> transportation (and emissions)! > >> > >> Why are you so dead set against the 80% solution (which every EV owner > >> will tell you gives them 100% satisfaction and in fact saves them 3:to:1 > >> on operating costs. And costs LESS than the average Gas car? > >> > >> You are quoting 2008 technology, and market, and thinking. Sure in 2010, > >> the first EV's cost more than comparable gas cars. But by 2013 with 15 > >> EV's on the market and the $5k price drop by Nissan and GM, the average > >> cost* of an EV broke even with the average costs of all gas cars sold in > >> America ($31k). By 2015, the average price* of all EV's ($29k) is now > >> $3k LESS than the average gas car and if you ignore the Luxury Tesla, then > >> the average EV cost* ($26k) is now $5k less than the average gas car? > >> > >> And by the end of 2015, there are 40 EV's on the market further bringing > >> down that average cost (*after incentives). > >> > >> So where on earth can you make your outlandish (outdated legacy-thinking) > >> claim about batteries when people who buy EV's represent the HIGHEST > >> satisfied car customers and their cars fully meet their needs? > >> > >> What is missing is awareness and education . of which your article is > >> completely misguided and fails. > >> > >> Please see http://aprs.org/EV-misinformation.html > >> > >> Sorry for the tone. But it is gas driving authors with articles like > >> yours that are holding back EV sales, not the battery. The battery HAS > >> SUCCEEDED in bringing us the ideal local-travel and commuter car. Let > >> those that can use it buy it and get out of the way. > >> > >> Sorry for the tone. But rants feel good sometimes.. > >> > >> Bob, WB4APR > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150519/5806538e/attachment.htm> > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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