Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[WILLIAM DENNIS Owner via EV]

Here's some text from the NHTSA website.  Don't know if anyone has ever done 
this, but importing an EV from China for its electrical parts might be 
possible, with some arduous work:


A disassembled vehicle that is shipped without an engine and transmission is 
treated for importation purposes not as a motor vehicle, but instead as an 
assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. Such an assemblage can lawfully be 
imported into the U.S., provided any equipment included in the assemblage that 
is subject to FMVSS, but was not originally manufactured to comply with that 
FMVSS or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, is removed from the 
assemblage prior to entry into the U.S. Equipment items that are subject to the 
FMVSS include tires, rims, brake hoses, brake fluid, seat belt assemblies, 
glazing materials, and lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.


Bill
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On Fri, 26 Apr, 2024 at 10:38 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
 

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Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know.

There may be other loopholes as well.

I bought my ComutaVan as scrap from a junkyard. I got it inspected and 
re-titled it as an "assembled electric vehicle". It was fully roadworthy; not 
an NEV. The only issue the inspector had was the regulation that it "must have 
an exhaust system". I satisfied him by bolting a (useless) tailpipe onto it.

Another way is to import it as scrap or parts, and assemble it yourself. 
Several companies have done this. Zap, Wemo, and Zenn seem to have gone this 
route. There is a company near me in Minnesota that brought in some 
disassembled Russian cars, re-assembled, and sold them. Another is currently 
bringing in Chinese EVs the same way (though I think they are selling them as 
NEVs).Then some are simply driven in from Mexico or Canada, and then 
re-registered in the US (perhaps by careless DMV clerks.There may also be a 
loophole if you are moving into the US and want to bring your car. Didn't 
Mercedes have a program where they let you buy one in Europe and bring it with 
you back to the US?
Lee
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Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[Lee Hart via EV]

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know.

There may be other loopholes as well.

I bought my ComutaVan as scrap from a junkyard. I got it inspected and 
re-titled it as an "assembled electric vehicle". It was fully roadworthy; not 
an NEV. The only issue the inspector had was the regulation that it "must have 
an exhaust system". I satisfied him by bolting a (useless) tailpipe onto it.

Another way is to import it as scrap or parts, and assemble it yourself. 
Several companies have done this. Zap, Wemo, and Zenn seem to have gone this 
route. There is a company near me in Minnesota that brought in some 
disassembled Russian cars, re-assembled, and sold them. Another is currently 
bringing in Chinese EVs the same way (though I think they are selling them as 
NEVs).Then some are simply driven in from Mexico or Canada, and then 
re-registered in the US (perhaps by careless DMV clerks.There may also be a 
loophole if you are moving into the US and want to bring your car. Didn't 
Mercedes have a program where they let you buy one in Europe and bring it with 
you back to the US?
Lee
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Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I'm familiar with the 25 year rule. But, years ago, there was a lengthly 
checklist of things to meet or modify and you would be allowed to bring 
a single unit of any car into the states. Was that old rule eliminated 
when the 25 year rule became law ?


Peri

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-- Original Message --
From: "Lawrence Winiarski via EV" 
To: "EVDL" 
Cc: "Lawrence Winiarski" 
Sent: 25-Apr-24 23:05:58
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]


There was a kind of a Canadian loophole for this as Canada had the same thing 
but it was 15 years instead of 25.So if you could get it into Canada at 15 
years old, thenif people didn't look too closely, you could re-import it into 
the US as a Canadian vehicle.B.C used to put on their own VIN over the 
manufacturers VIN so you could use this.

Of course it all depended on not asking too many questions or volunteering too 
much information.

The whole "US requirements" is more of a personal fiefdom thing than actual 
safety requirements.You could literally import a car over 25 years old without safety 
belts, but not be allowedto import a car from France with airbags that was 24 years old.  
   I think the auto manufacturers actually like controlling the market this way anyway 
instead of having a global standard.


   On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 03:13:30 PM PDT, Kevin Horton via EV 
 wrote:

 In general terms, unless the vehicle has documentation that it fully complies 
with all US requirements, it is only possible to legally import it and get it 
on the road in the USA if it is at least 25 years old.

https://cfrclassic.com/international-car-shipping/car-imports-your-guide-to-the-25-year-rule/
Car Imports: Your Guide to the 25-Year Rule
cfrclassic.com


Kevin Horton




 On Apr 25, 2024, at 13:21, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:

 If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know. That is, 
without extrodinary costs, just relatively simple changes like speedo and 
mirrors. So many more choices if one can import. Yeah, there's parts, but I 
might be willing to risk that. I think the know-how to make repairs might be a 
bigger problem.

 Peri

 << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>


 -- Original Message --
 From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
 To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
 Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
 Sent: 25-Apr-24 09:33:56
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.


 On 25 Apr 2024 at 8:22, Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote:


 Where can I buy a Zoe in the US - or import?  That sounds like a great EV!


 Renault hasn't had US dealers since 1983, unless you count the Renault-
 licensed AMC Alliance and Encore, which AMC dealers sold until '87.  So Zoes
 have never been offered in the US, and never will be, unfortunately.

 If you were really determined, it might be possible to direct-import one.
 Gettting repair parts would be interesting.

 Or you could move to the EU and have a much wider choice of EVs, including
 affordable small ones.

 The Citroen EC3 is already on sale at around 23k euros (about $25k), or
 about $20k after the French eco subsidy.  The subsidy differs in other EU
 nations.

https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/citroen/press/citroen-reveals-the-all-
 new-e-c3-the-first-european-affordable-electric-car

 or https://v.gd/YyanQF

 More EVs in the same price range are on the way from other EU manufacturers.

 No doubt from China too.  However the French subsidy doesn't apply to
 Chinese EVs, because it's linked to the vehicle's production carbon
 emissions.

 David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

 To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my
 offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

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Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

There was a kind of a Canadian loophole for this as Canada had the same thing 
but it was 15 years instead of 25.    So if you could get it into Canada at 15 
years old, thenif people didn't look too closely, you could re-import it into 
the US as a Canadian vehicle.    B.C used to put on their own VIN over the 
manufacturers VIN so you could use this.

Of course it all depended on not asking too many questions or volunteering too 
much information. 

The whole "US requirements" is more of a personal fiefdom thing than actual 
safety requirements.    You could literally import a car over 25 years old 
without safety belts, but not be allowedto import a car from France with 
airbags that was 24 years old. I think the auto manufacturers actually like 
controlling the market this way anyway instead of having a global standard. 


   On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 03:13:30 PM PDT, Kevin Horton via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 In general terms, unless the vehicle has documentation that it fully complies 
with all US requirements, it is only possible to legally import it and get it 
on the road in the USA if it is at least 25 years old.

https://cfrclassic.com/international-car-shipping/car-imports-your-guide-to-the-25-year-rule/
Car Imports: Your Guide to the 25-Year Rule
cfrclassic.com


Kevin Horton



> On Apr 25, 2024, at 13:21, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know. That is, 
> without extrodinary costs, just relatively simple changes like speedo and 
> mirrors. So many more choices if one can import. Yeah, there's parts, but I 
> might be willing to risk that. I think the know-how to make repairs might be 
> a bigger problem.
> 
> Peri
> 
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
> Sent: 25-Apr-24 09:33:56
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.
> 
>> On 25 Apr 2024 at 8:22, Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote:
>> 
>>> Where can I buy a Zoe in the US - or import?  That sounds like a great EV!
>> 
>> Renault hasn't had US dealers since 1983, unless you count the Renault-
>> licensed AMC Alliance and Encore, which AMC dealers sold until '87.  So Zoes
>> have never been offered in the US, and never will be, unfortunately.
>> 
>> If you were really determined, it might be possible to direct-import one.
>> Gettting repair parts would be interesting.
>> 
>> Or you could move to the EU and have a much wider choice of EVs, including
>> affordable small ones.
>> 
>> The Citroen EC3 is already on sale at around 23k euros (about $25k), or
>> about $20k after the French eco subsidy.  The subsidy differs in other EU
>> nations.
>> 
>> https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/citroen/press/citroen-reveals-the-all-
>> new-e-c3-the-first-european-affordable-electric-car
>> 
>> or https://v.gd/YyanQF
>> 
>> More EVs in the same price range are on the way from other EU manufacturers.
>> 
>> No doubt from China too.  However the French subsidy doesn't apply to
>> Chinese EVs, because it's linked to the vehicle's production carbon
>> emissions.
>> 
>> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
>> 
>> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my
>> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt
>> 
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>> 
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>>    a precise answer to the wrong one.
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[Kevin Horton via EV]

In general terms, unless the vehicle has documentation that it fully complies 
with all US requirements, it is only possible to legally import it and get it 
on the road in the USA if it is at least 25 years old.

https://cfrclassic.com/international-car-shipping/car-imports-your-guide-to-the-25-year-rule/
Car Imports: Your Guide to the 25-Year Rule
cfrclassic.com


Kevin Horton



> On Apr 25, 2024, at 13:21, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know. That is, 
> without extrodinary costs, just relatively simple changes like speedo and 
> mirrors. So many more choices if one can import. Yeah, there's parts, but I 
> might be willing to risk that. I think the know-how to make repairs might be 
> a bigger problem.
> 
> Peri
> 
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
> Sent: 25-Apr-24 09:33:56
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.
> 
>> On 25 Apr 2024 at 8:22, Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote:
>> 
>>> Where can I buy a Zoe in the US - or import?  That sounds like a great EV!
>> 
>> Renault hasn't had US dealers since 1983, unless you count the Renault-
>> licensed AMC Alliance and Encore, which AMC dealers sold until '87.  So Zoes
>> have never been offered in the US, and never will be, unfortunately.
>> 
>> If you were really determined, it might be possible to direct-import one.
>> Gettting repair parts would be interesting.
>> 
>> Or you could move to the EU and have a much wider choice of EVs, including
>> affordable small ones.
>> 
>> The Citroen EC3 is already on sale at around 23k euros (about $25k), or
>> about $20k after the French eco subsidy.  The subsidy differs in other EU
>> nations.
>> 
>> https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/citroen/press/citroen-reveals-the-all-
>> new-e-c3-the-first-european-affordable-electric-car
>> 
>> or https://v.gd/YyanQF
>> 
>> More EVs in the same price range are on the way from other EU manufacturers.
>> 
>> No doubt from China too.  However the French subsidy doesn't apply to
>> Chinese EVs, because it's linked to the vehicle's production carbon
>> emissions.
>> 
>> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
>> 
>> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my
>> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt
>> 
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>> 
>> An approximate answer to the right question is worth far more than
>> a precise answer to the wrong one.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Import EV [Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.]

[Peri Hartman via EV]

If anyone figures out how to import an EV, please let me know. That is, 
without extrodinary costs, just relatively simple changes like speedo 
and mirrors. So many more choices if one can import. Yeah, there's 
parts, but I might be willing to risk that. I think the know-how to make 
repairs might be a bigger problem.


Peri

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-- Original Message --
From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
Sent: 25-Apr-24 09:33:56
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.


On 25 Apr 2024 at 8:22, Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote:


 Where can I buy a Zoe in the US - or import?  That sounds like a great EV!


Renault hasn't had US dealers since 1983, unless you count the Renault-
licensed AMC Alliance and Encore, which AMC dealers sold until '87.  So Zoes
have never been offered in the US, and never will be, unfortunately.

If you were really determined, it might be possible to direct-import one.
Gettting repair parts would be interesting.

Or you could move to the EU and have a much wider choice of EVs, including
affordable small ones.

The Citroen EC3 is already on sale at around 23k euros (about $25k), or
about $20k after the French eco subsidy.  The subsidy differs in other EU
nations.

https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/citroen/press/citroen-reveals-the-all-
new-e-c3-the-first-european-affordable-electric-car

or https://v.gd/YyanQF

More EVs in the same price range are on the way from other EU manufacturers.

No doubt from China too.  However the French subsidy doesn't apply to
Chinese EVs, because it's linked to the vehicle's production carbon
emissions.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my
offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

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