Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-05-04 Thread Hoegberg via EV 



> From: ev...@evdl.org
> To: hoegb...@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:04:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his 
> destination hotel ...
>
> On 28 Apr 2016 at 22:34, Hoegberg via EV wrote:
>
>> the main fuses is normally 16 or 20 Amp,
>>  for a house with electric heating at about (about 9kW) I think it would be
>> normal with 20,
>
> From this, it is easy to see how wasteful we are here in the USA. The main
> circuit breaker in my old house is 100 amps. New houses have 200 amp main
> breakers. Very big houses for rich people have 400 amp breakers!
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator


yes, hehe, crazycurrents! 

Due to the crazylow voltages mainly, and a lot of headroom on the main fuses?

So what is the normal house consumption/year ?
 (without the EV-charging )

for older(1700-1900 almost and non-insulated houses) I guess it is normally 
about 15-25 000 kwh/year

New houses can be almost energy neutral,  :-)
But the rules still allows a lot net consumption

I think the modern building rules allows a private house or an apartment 
building to consume maximum 50-45 kwh/m2 / year. (South Sweden, electric 
heating)


// John
  
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Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 28 Apr 2016 at 16:04, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> That would mean about a 60kWh battery. To charge that in 8 hours
> requires 7.5kW.  That would require a 70A circuit at 110 volts. 

Factoring in a charging efficiency of 85%, it'd be more like 8.8kW.  That 
would be 74 amps at 120v.  I've never met such a 120v receptacle, but I've 
seen plenty of 240v 50a receptacles.  They're usually intended for ranges or 
welders or RVs.  Derate such a recept for the NEC's 80% sustained load rule 
and you get 9.6kW, so you're good.  

I would think most motels would have enough main panel capacity for at least 
a few such bring-your-own-evse receptacles.  Whether there's a good business 
case for it is another question.  I can also see many of them tripping over 
their lawyers and liability insurance agents.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread Hoegberg via EV 



> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:46:21 -0700
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his 
> destination hotel ...
> From: ev@lists.evdl.org
>
> Standard wall plug in Netherlands and Germany are fused with 16A (230V)
> while in UK I believe it is 13A.
> It is relatively easy to get a 25A 3-phase outlet (400V) for things like 
> power tools or an electric stove cooktop. I was even allowed to install the 
> house wiring and outlet for it, after which the utility company came to 
> switch out the single phase meter for a 3-phase one, no other cost than an 
> increase in monthly pay for the 3-phase connection instead of single phase.
> But that was many moons ago.

wow, extra fee to get 3phase ,
 but that was in the Netherlands and Germany, right?

Here (Sweden) I assume they will probably charge us a lot extra IF we 
wanted to load down the grid out of balance with only 1 phase and large main 
fuse :-)
but who would want to do that? anything over 10A should be 3phase, in my 
opinion. hehe.

In Sweden it is 6,10,16, 20, 32 that is the most common plug current 

and the main fuses is normally 16 or 20 Amp,
 for a house with electric heating at about (about 9kW) I think it would be 
normal with 20,
 I have 20A mains but would probably do well on 16 also if I dont run
 the heater and "boiler" at the same time as the microwave, cookingplates and 
things like that.

(It is also possible to install relays that cut the power to for example the 
hot water heater for the short time as that the micro or stove is at full power)
  


> 3phase FTW!   ;-)
>
>
> // John
>

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Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Standard wall plug in Netherlands and Germany are fused with 16A (230V)
while in UK I believe it is 13A.
It is relatively easy to get a 25A 3-phase outlet (400V) for things like power 
tools or an electric stove cooktop. I was even allowed to install the house 
wiring and outlet for it, after which the utility company came to switch out 
the single phase meter for a 3-phase one, no other cost than an increase in 
monthly pay for the 3-phase connection instead of single phase.
But that was many moons ago.

BTW, it strongly depends what type hotel and location, whether guests are 
driving up or are business men in their rental cars that landed that evening at 
the nearest airport and picked up a rental to get to their hotel that is 
typically within a few miles from where the meeting will be the next day, to 
avoid the risk of ending up in rushhour and getting delayed and tired before 
the business meeting even starts. Been there, done that.
However if you have a Motel 6 for example - there is a reason they are always 
located right off the exit of a Freeway!

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> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:04:40 +
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his 
> destination hotel ...
> From: ev@lists.evdl.org
>
> Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long
> term. I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes,
> that's a very logical place to charge. But here are my thoughts.
>
> 1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving
> an EV.
>
>
> 3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances.
> Assume even 200 mile range on a charge. That would mean about a 60kWh
> battery. To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW. That would require
> a 70A circuit at 110 volts.

or.. about 10.4 Amps here in EU? + losses. 
(at powerfactor 1.0) 

3phase FTW!   ;-)


// John



  
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Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread Hoegberg via EV 



> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:04:40 +
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his 
> destination hotel ...
> From: ev@lists.evdl.org
>
> Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long
> term. I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes,
> that's a very logical place to charge. But here are my thoughts.
>
> 1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving
> an EV.
>
>
> 3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances.
> Assume even 200 mile range on a charge. That would mean about a 60kWh
> battery. To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW. That would require
> a 70A circuit at 110 volts.

or.. about 10.4 Amps here in EU? + losses. 
(at powerfactor 1.0) 

3phase FTW!   ;-)


// John



  
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Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
That is exactly why it is a good idea to charge money (per hour) for
being connected to a charging station - or simply to park your EV at the
charging station. The hotel guest may get a lower rate than outsiders
visiting the hotel's charging station (the hotel guest may be given a
discount code that he enters before starting the charging or he pays for
the RFID card that will tell the station that a guest is using it and
gives a lower hourly rate, but every scarce resource can be quite
effectively managed by making it worthwhile to move on as soon as you
are not using it effectively, for example a high hourly price for L3
charging, a much lower hourly price for L2 and free L1 charging for
Volts and other low-capacity PIH vehicles that can effectively fill a
tank overnight on L1 of for opportunity charging for those who do not
need the range but enjoy the benefit, such as a Tesla arriving with 200
miles range left and only 120 to go, but can still add a couple miles
and not worry about range loss if the car is self-heating the pack.

This way, the hotel can also make some money off the convenience they
provide just like they do on hotel WiFi where you pay per night or even
by the hour to access their installed infrastructure.

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via EV
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:05 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his
destination hotel ...

Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long 
term.  I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes, 
that's a very logical place to charge.  But here are my thoughts.

1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving 
an EV.

2. If they driving an EV, it would be a Tesla, and Tesla is funding its 
own charge points and deciding where to put them.

3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances.  
Assume even 200 mile range on a charge.  That would mean about a 60kWh 
battery.  To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW.  That would require 
a 70A circuit at 110 volts.

4. Level 2 charging could work but then the hotel management needs to 
foot a higher installation cost and decide how many stalls to put in and

how to handle contention.  "I got here first, so I get to plug in."  
What does the second customer do?  Stay an extra night?

5. As battery capacity increases, say to 100kWh, only Level 3 will be 
sufficient.  At that point, it's probably a better overall 
infrastructure strategy to place charge points along freeways and 
highways where anyone can stop and charge, just as people do with gas 
stations.  I can't see why a hotel operator would want to put in a Level

3 charger and then share it with anyone who comes along.  Not a very 
good business investment.

Just my thoughts.
Peri

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Sent: 28-Apr-16 7:43:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his 
destination hotel ...

>  Thanks Bruce,
>
>I kept my question general on purpose as I'm trying to find a general 
>solution and pointing out a general problem. I also do know not exactly

>where I'll be stopping tonight - though, probably Syracuse NY.
>
>Certainly if I was stuck I would ask for more specific help. Your idea 
>of googling  "plugshare 'town' hotel j1772" is good - I had not tried 
>that.
>
>I was mostly lamenting that the hotel industry seems very behind the 
>times on catering to the EV crowd. I think it's to their benefit to 
>update by at least adding a reservation filter for what, if any, EV 
>charging they offer.
>
>Lastly, I am a newbie EV owner (but long time lurker here) and I am 
>perhaps approaching this from the wrong angle; i.e. assuming EV 
>charging is more mainstream and formalized (real chargers and EV 
>parking)  rather than ad hoc (find an outlet and asking to plug in). I 
>suppose in reality we are in the middle as I do see and find charging 
>stations more and more, but some areas are not quite caught up.
>
>-SteveS
>
>
>On 04/28/16, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>[ref
>http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Char
gers-tp4681733.html
>]
>
>I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this

>one
>earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl.
>
>First

Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV 
Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long 
term.  I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes, 
that's a very logical place to charge.  But here are my thoughts.


1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving 
an EV.


2. If they driving an EV, it would be a Tesla, and Tesla is funding its 
own charge points and deciding where to put them.


3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances.  
Assume even 200 mile range on a charge.  That would mean about a 60kWh 
battery.  To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW.  That would require 
a 70A circuit at 110 volts.


4. Level 2 charging could work but then the hotel management needs to 
foot a higher installation cost and decide how many stalls to put in and 
how to handle contention.  "I got here first, so I get to plug in."  
What does the second customer do?  Stay an extra night?


5. As battery capacity increases, say to 100kWh, only Level 3 will be 
sufficient.  At that point, it's probably a better overall 
infrastructure strategy to place charge points along freeways and 
highways where anyone can stop and charge, just as people do with gas 
stations.  I can't see why a hotel operator would want to put in a Level 
3 charger and then share it with anyone who comes along.  Not a very 
good business investment.


Just my thoughts.
Peri

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destination hotel ...



 Thanks Bruce,

I kept my question general on purpose as I'm trying to find a general 
solution and pointing out a general problem. I also do know not exactly 
where I'll be stopping tonight - though, probably Syracuse NY.


Certainly if I was stuck I would ask for more specific help. Your idea 
of googling  "plugshare 'town' hotel j1772" is good - I had not tried 
that.


I was mostly lamenting that the hotel industry seems very behind the 
times on catering to the EV crowd. I think it's to their benefit to 
update by at least adding a reservation filter for what, if any, EV 
charging they offer.


Lastly, I am a newbie EV owner (but long time lurker here) and I am 
perhaps approaching this from the wrong angle; i.e. assuming EV 
charging is more mainstream and formalized (real chargers and EV 
parking)  rather than ad hoc (find an outlet and asking to plug in). I 
suppose in reality we are in the middle as I do see and find charging 
stations more and more, but some areas are not quite caught up.


-SteveS


On 04/28/16, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Chargers-tp4681733.html
]

I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this 
one

earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl.

First SteveS it is so wonderful for so many members to jump in trying 
to
help you, but you did not even give the basics of what your needs are 
and

the location(s) you will need them. You do not have to give us all your
personal information, just what type of coupler/connector (L1, L2 
j1772,

Tesla, or are you outside the U.S. and are seeking type 1 or 2, what?).
*Your latest post sez you want to charge your Volt pih. So, either a L2 
or

L1 will do.

Gives us either an area code or zip code to know where you want to 
plug-in.

And give your preference: you need a high-end hotel (maybe for clients,
etc.), or you are flexible and at this point anything will do (as long 
as it

does not have bed-bugs).


-Cor had the right idea, but Harsha's trying different-wording to get 
your
needs expressed will be necessary (some people do not listen or ar ethe 
type
that needs to hear three different ways to grasp what you are saying). 
I
usually listen for their confusion. After the second one, I would have 
asked

to talk to an assistant manager, or manager.

It really depends on the lodging business. When I have dealt with the 
lower
cost Motel6 locations, those that were willing, would let me run a cord 
out
my window to my EV. Some wanted some $ compensation, a couple did not 
(they
were just confused with what I was doing). Though running a cord out 
your
window to your EV can also bring unwanted visibility (the drunken 
trucker

neighbors were yakking really loud about "What the Heck is that!?", "An
Electric Car!?", etc. I had to spend time keeping an eye on my EV to 
ensure

it was not messed with and was still on a charge.).

A different time when I was hanging out with the GM EV1 Club, and 
staying at
one of the places their members were: Fairfield Inn in Vacaville-CA for 
a

long convoy rally to Sacramento to impress CARB that EVs were a viable
transportation option, I did not have to worry about drunken trucker
neighbors (this place was too high end & co$tly for their liking).

(Along the same thoughts as Bill Dube had said) Before

Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread via EV 
 Thanks Bruce,

I kept my question general on purpose as I'm trying to find a general solution 
and pointing out a general problem. I also do know not exactly where I'll be 
stopping tonight - though, probably Syracuse NY.

Certainly if I was stuck I would ask for more specific help. Your idea of 
googling  "plugshare 'town' hotel j1772" is good - I had not tried that.  

I was mostly lamenting that the hotel industry seems very behind the times on 
catering to the EV crowd. I think it's to their benefit to update by at least 
adding a reservation filter for what, if any, EV charging they offer.

Lastly, I am a newbie EV owner (but long time lurker here) and I am perhaps 
approaching this from the wrong angle; i.e. assuming EV charging is more 
mainstream and formalized (real chargers and EV parking)  rather than ad hoc 
(find an outlet and asking to plug in). I suppose in reality we are in the 
middle as I do see and find charging stations more and more, but some areas are 
not quite caught up. 
 
-SteveS


On 04/28/16, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Chargers-tp4681733.html
]

I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this one
earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl. 

First SteveS it is so wonderful for so many members to jump in trying to
help you, but you did not even give the basics of what your needs are and
the location(s) you will need them. You do not have to give us all your
personal information, just what type of coupler/connector (L1, L2 j1772,
Tesla, or are you outside the U.S. and are seeking type 1 or 2, what?). 
*Your latest post sez you want to charge your Volt pih. So, either a L2 or
L1 will do.

Gives us either an area code or zip code to know where you want to plug-in.
And give your preference: you need a high-end hotel (maybe for clients,
etc.), or you are flexible and at this point anything will do (as long as it
does not have bed-bugs).


-Cor had the right idea, but Harsha's trying different-wording to get your
needs expressed will be necessary (some people do not listen or ar ethe type
that needs to hear three different ways to grasp what you are saying). I
usually listen for their confusion. After the second one, I would have asked
to talk to an assistant manager, or manager.

It really depends on the lodging business. When I have dealt with the lower
cost Motel6 locations, those that were willing, would let me run a cord out
my window to my EV. Some wanted some $ compensation, a couple did not (they
were just confused with what I was doing). Though running a cord out your
window to your EV can also bring unwanted visibility (the drunken trucker
neighbors were yakking really loud about "What the Heck is that!?", "An
Electric Car!?", etc. I had to spend time keeping an eye on my EV to ensure
it was not messed with and was still on a charge.).

A different time when I was hanging out with the GM EV1 Club, and staying at
one of the places their members were: Fairfield Inn in Vacaville-CA for a
long convoy rally to Sacramento to impress CARB that EVs were a viable
transportation option, I did not have to worry about drunken trucker
neighbors (this place was too high end & co$tly for their liking). 

(Along the same thoughts as Bill Dube had said) Before I checked in, I drove
around their buildings and saw they had L1 outlets. When I had checked in, I
talked to the manager and got permission to plugin to one. I chose a parking
space near one, where people would likely not be walking near by, and ran my
extension cord across their lawn to the L1 outlet that was along the
building's wall (it must have been there for some maintenance use).

I have experienced how exasperating it can be when the people you are
talking to just do not get what you are talking about. In an effort to help
keep plugshare.com listings accurate, I had approached a high-end hotel in
Palo Alto that was listed on plugshare as charging a Tesla (likely a
roadster as this was years ago). I parked and walked into talk to them to
gather information.

The person at the desk was courtesy but clueless. I asked to talk to an
assistant manager. I waited off to the side for 20 minutes to not be in the
front desk's way. Finally, after explaining again what I was after, to try
to know what type of charging they had, and possibly see (so I could take a
picture to upload), the assistant manager said I would have to wait until I
could talk to their (very busy) manager. Another 20 minutes, and I explained
again (I have done this type of thing so often for the EV-cause).

The manager just looking at me knew I was not his level of clientele (I did
not look rich) yet he begrudgingly gave me his time (I could see that in his
face). After explaining once again to he I got a quick and direct answer.
They had let one Tesla driver that was staying at the hotel plug into a L1
outlet that happened to be in their parking area.

Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread John Lindsay via EV 
Exactly! 

A sausage and ketchup or as we say a snag and sauce.

And these lads are wearing thongs and shorts:

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/ef5b048f7a5ba2843772fb854d89dd16 


The thongs (footwear) are not considered acceptable dress in airline club 
lounges.

Back on topic, Plugshare allows for feedback to be left about sites so if you 
discover a site is no longer a friendly charging site just put a note in so the 
next would be user can see that it’s no longer useful.

Cheers,

jsl

> On 28 Apr 2016, at 7:00 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> BTW this might be what John Lindsay was 'snag' ing on (an Aussie repast)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/felix42/2113180643
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[EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

2016-04-28 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Chargers-tp4681733.html
]

I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this one
earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl. 

First SteveS it is so wonderful for so many members to jump in trying to
help you, but you did not even give the basics of what your needs are and
the location(s) you will need them. You do not have to give us all your
personal information, just what type of coupler/connector (L1, L2 j1772,
Tesla, or are you outside the U.S. and are seeking type 1 or 2, what?). 
*Your latest post sez you want to charge your Volt pih. So, either a L2 or
L1 will do.

Gives us either an area code or zip code to know where you want to plug-in.
And give your preference: you need a high-end hotel (maybe for clients,
etc.), or you are flexible and at this point anything will do (as long as it
does not have bed-bugs).


-Cor had the right idea, but Harsha's trying different-wording to get your
needs expressed will be necessary (some people do not listen or ar ethe type
that needs to hear three different ways to grasp what you are saying). I
usually listen for their confusion. After the second one, I would have asked
to talk to an assistant manager, or manager.

It really depends on the lodging business. When I have dealt with the lower
cost Motel6 locations, those that were willing, would let me run a cord out
my window to my EV. Some wanted some $ compensation, a couple did not (they
were just confused with what I was doing). Though running a cord out your
window to your EV can also bring unwanted visibility (the drunken trucker
neighbors were yakking really loud about "What the Heck is that!?", "An
Electric Car!?", etc. I had to spend time keeping an eye on my EV to ensure
it was not messed with and was still on a charge.).

A different time when I was hanging out with the GM EV1 Club, and staying at
one of the places their members were: Fairfield Inn in Vacaville-CA for a
long convoy rally to Sacramento to impress CARB that EVs were a viable
transportation option, I did not have to worry about drunken trucker
neighbors (this place was too high end & co$tly for their liking). 

(Along the same thoughts as Bill Dube had said) Before I checked in, I drove
around their buildings and saw they had L1 outlets. When I had checked in, I
talked to the manager and got permission to plugin to one. I chose a parking
space near one, where people would likely not be walking near by, and ran my
extension cord across their lawn to the L1 outlet that was along the
building's wall (it must have been there for some maintenance use).

I have experienced how exasperating it can be when the people you are
talking to just do not get what you are talking about. In an effort to help
keep plugshare.com listings accurate, I had approached a high-end hotel in
Palo Alto that was listed on plugshare as charging a Tesla (likely a
roadster as this was years ago). I parked and walked into talk to them to
gather information.

The person at the desk was courtesy but clueless. I asked to talk to an
assistant manager. I waited off to the side for 20 minutes to not be in the
front desk's way. Finally, after explaining again what I was after, to try
to know what type of charging they had, and possibly see (so I could take a
picture to upload), the assistant manager said I would have to wait until I
could talk to their (very busy) manager. Another 20 minutes, and I explained
again (I have done this type of thing so often for the EV-cause).

The manager just looking at me knew I was not his level of clientele (I did
not look rich) yet he begrudgingly gave me his time (I could see that in his
face). After explaining once again to he I got a quick and direct answer.
They had let one Tesla driver that was staying at the hotel plug into a L1
outlet that happened to be in their parking area. He made it clear that they
had no formal (j1772) EVSE, that I would not be allowed to see where the
outlet was, and he wanted that listing to not state they had charging. It
took several attempts to him to understand I did not represent plugshare,
that someone had put that information up their and that someone was not me
(he likely did not truly grasp the whole Internet concept, and likely
thought email was a bother, etc.).

So, yea, dealing with people, businesses, can be frustrating. Another point
of frustration is businesses that do not list having EVSE on their web sites
(few do, or keep the info up to date).

But that is where plugshare comes in handy. For instance, lets assume SteveS
is going to Atlanta, GA and is looking for a hotel. I could use a search
engine with keywords  plugshare atlanta, ga hotel j1772
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plugshare+atlanta%2C+ga+hotel+j1772

Trying to do this type of search from within plugshare does not work (at the
last Silicon Valley EAA Rally in Sept at De Anza College, I asked a
plugshare