Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Nonsense, the Leaf modules are internally parallelled, so every Leaf bus
bar and interconnecting wire alread carries the full ~250 Amps peak current.

Continuous power at highway speed is closer to about 20kW, so just over 50
Amps.

Internal resistance of the entire pack is about 0.1 Ohms.
This includes the 96 series cell pairs, the bus bars inside the modules
that connect the 4 cells together in 2s2p configuration, the 54 bus bars
that connect the 48 modules, the fused service disconnect and from the
contactors to the front plug, plus the 3 lengths of high voltage wire.
Cor.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 8:35 PM Haudy Kazemi via EV  wrote:

> I wouldn't recommend using the Nissan Leaf busbars in pack locations that
> exceed 114 amps. The bars should be fine within the series strings, which
> is what I meant in my prior reply. The ends of each of the 5 parallel sets
> should be connected some other way.
>
> I have heard of copper pipe being crushed flat, then drilled, to create
> suitable custom high amp busbars.
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 21:35 Mr. Sharkey via EV  wrote:
>
> >  > stack several of them for the 5p17s pack
> >
> > While it looks like you have done the calculations on voltage drop
> > and heat production, and the values are acceptable, I'd question the
> > wisdom of trying to build a 5p pack using the Leaf busbars, mostly
> > because layering up multiple short busbars to parallel the modules
> > will result in a large number of junctions between the busbars,
> > resulting in even more resistance and a lot of clutter on the terminals.
> >
> > When I built up the 2p5s pack for my Electrak this spring, I went to
> > fleabay and bought some appropriately-sized copper stock, ran it
> > through the drill press and made custom-fit busbars that could span
> > four modules (paralleling two each and making the needed series
> > connection between the paralleled modules).
> >
> > The only purpose for the stock Leaf busbars was to tie the middle
> > terminals of the paralleled modules together. In my case, that was a
> > good application, but if you are tying five center terminals
> > together, I'd even make custom bars for that too, although they won't
> > need to be very big, as in a perfect world, there isn't going to be
> > very much current flowing in that part of the circuit.
> >
> > Photos of the Et conversion here: http://www.evalbum.com/79
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Re: [EVDL] 2012 Nissan Leaf available in Boston -- update to my June post

[Cor van de Water via EV]

What is the warranty situation?
I am in California and the mandatory drivetrain warranty requires the mfg
to fix the car if it does not drive before warranty runs out, i believe
either 80k mi or 8 years.
Cor.


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:52 PM EVDL Administrator via EV 
wrote:

> On 1 Aug 2020 at 17:25, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
>
> > even a DIY mechanic is looking at 3,000+2,500 + labor. and has to
> > weigh that cost against $5,500 for a working 2013 leaf which would
> > probably have similar range.
>
> From Beth's previous post on this car, we know that the car won't power
> up.
> The dealer says the battery has at least one failed cell.  We don't know
> how
> accurate that evaluation is.
>
> Edmund's estimates the private sale value of a 2012 Leaf SV with 60k miles
> in average condition as $4,509.  An SL would be worth $263 more.
>
> Assuming Beth's car's rust isn't structural and that the battery failure
> is
> the only mechanical problem, taking Jay's $2,500 number for a used
> battery,
> and allowing $500 for repair labor, we get a value of about $1,500.
>
> Seems awfully low.
>
> I don't know how much the recent repairs would add to that.  They're
> normal
> maintenance on a 60k car, not improvements.  Stilll, you'd think they'd be
> worth something, if only the tires.  Maybe a couple hundred?
>
> So depending on model (SV or SL), and how much the buyer values the recent
> repairs, I get an approximate value range of $1,500 to $2,000.  Still
> seems
> on the low side.
>
> But again, I'm not a pro.  And one non-running, won't-power-up Leaf did go
> for $2650 on Ebay.  So maybe that's the benchmark.
>
> And that's a possible plan - put it on Ebay at $3k, with best-offer
> ticked,
> and see what you get.  A 12-photo listing there will cost $25.
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Re: [EVDL] 2012 Nissan Leaf available in Boston -- update to my June post

[Jay Summet via EV]

Just from a parts value it's probably worth $2000-$3000, but you'd have 
to find the right buyer.  I parted out the salvage EV (with damage to 
front & back ends) I bought to harvest my battery pack out of, and got 
around that much overall, after 8 months of labor selling parts on ebay 
/ craigslist.  [Definitely not worth a junkyards time to put all that 
effort into it...]


Jay

On 8/1/20 8:50 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

On 1 Aug 2020 at 17:25, Jay Summet via EV wrote:


even a DIY mechanic is looking at 3,000+2,500 + labor. and has to
weigh that cost against $5,500 for a working 2013 leaf which would
probably have similar range.


 From Beth's previous post on this car, we know that the car won't power up.
The dealer says the battery has at least one failed cell.  We don't know how
accurate that evaluation is.

Edmund's estimates the private sale value of a 2012 Leaf SV with 60k miles
in average condition as $4,509.  An SL would be worth $263 more.

Assuming Beth's car's rust isn't structural and that the battery failure is
the only mechanical problem, taking Jay's $2,500 number for a used battery,
and allowing $500 for repair labor, we get a value of about $1,500.

Seems awfully low.

I don't know how much the recent repairs would add to that.  They're normal
maintenance on a 60k car, not improvements.  Stilll, you'd think they'd be
worth something, if only the tires.  Maybe a couple hundred?

So depending on model (SV or SL), and how much the buyer values the recent
repairs, I get an approximate value range of $1,500 to $2,000.  Still seems
on the low side.

But again, I'm not a pro.  And one non-running, won't-power-up Leaf did go
for $2650 on Ebay.  So maybe that's the benchmark.

And that's a possible plan - put it on Ebay at $3k, with best-offer ticked,
and see what you get.  A 12-photo listing there will cost $25.

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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Jay Summet via EV]

On 8/1/20 10:34 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:



The only purpose for the stock Leaf busbars was to tie the middle 
terminals of the paralleled modules together. In my case, that was a 
good application, but if you are tying five center terminals together, 
I'd even make custom bars for that too, although they won't need to be 
very big, as in a perfect world, there isn't going to be very much 
current flowing in that part of the circuit.


I considered this when making my busbars, but decided to size the center 
terminal bus bars as large as all the others, just in case a module 
developed an open fault in one half and the other half had to exit out 
the sense terminal. (possibly doesn't matter as internal connections 
inside the module may be smaller as well)   It also made things 
easier to just make everything out of the same bar stock.


Bussbar construction starts at around the 3 minute mark at the video here:
https://www.summet.com/blog/2015/10/31/how-to-build-a-16-volt-battery-module-from-six-nissan-leaf-cells/

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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Jay Summet via EV]

The leaf pack is fused with a 200 (or is it 225?) amp mid-pack fuse, so 
I'd say they are rated at around 200 amps + safety factor...


I used some (totally overkill) 1" wide by 1/4" thick copper bar stock 
when making my interconnects.


I was sizing for a 500 amp max draw using 3 parallel leaf modules.


Bussbar construction starts at around the 3 minute mark at the video here:
https://www.summet.com/blog/2015/10/31/how-to-build-a-16-volt-battery-module-from-six-nissan-leaf-cells/


Jay

On 8/1/20 8:45 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

I'm trying to figure out what the constant and 30-second Amp ratings are for 
some Leaf Busbars.
The ones I have measure 0.78" wide by 0.08" thick.
That calculates out to 40.25 mm2 (yeah, changing units)
1 awg wire is 42 mm2.
BUT the busbar isn't insulated, and has a much larger surface area, so won't 
heat up as much.
1 awg wire is rated at 0.13 ohms/1000 ft.

It's about 1.25" between modules in a Leaf pack.
That comes out to 0.1354 ohms.
at 200A, there should be a voltage drop of 0.0027V, or 0.542 watts.

What I'm trying to figure out is if I need to stack several of them for the 
5p17s pack we are probably going to do for a friends truck.

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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Jay Summet via EV]

On 8/2/20 12:46 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

This is for a Chevy S10. (converted some years ago using Lead-acid, we are 
updating it)
I THINK we can fit 85 Modules in the battery boxes, which should significantly 
improve range over the old Golf Cart batteries.
This truck has a Z1K controller, and 8" motor (hmm, might be 9" - need to check 
that.)


Is that an 8' bed and including battery boxes under the hood?

My GC6 battery boxes were just a little too short to put the modules 
upright, so I had to lay them down on their sides, and got 48 modules in 
only the under the 6' bed boxes with a small amount of extra space.


If your battery boxes are deeper you can keep them upright (highly 
recommended for access to the terminals!), but 85 is a lot of modules!


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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> I have heard of copper pipe being crushed flat, then drilled, to
> create suitable custom high amp busbars

Beware! Copper water pipe is not pure copper, but is composed of 
alloy, you won't be getting the conductivity of 99% copper. Also, 
crushing and drilling pipe is time consuming and messy, the drilled 
holes can't be properly deburred, and the possibility of 
corrosion/tarnish in the sandwiched interior surfaces is real.


>> The only purpose for the stock Leaf busbars was to tie the middle
>> terminals of the paralleled modules together.

> Why would you bother doing that?

These are used modules with a somewhat variable capacity remaining. I 
was able to test that capacity and pair weaker modules with stronger 
ones, creating a more robust pack assembly. Also, paralleling at the 
cell level means half as many BMS channels. You see this as a bug, I 
see it as a feature. A failing pair of cells in one module will be 
quite apparent in the performance of the tractor, which triggers 
diagnostic actions on the part of the owner/driver (me).


Maybe tying the center terminals together with a fuse is a more 
cautious approach. Using thin-ish wire would be a similar 
current-limiting technique.


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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Haudy Kazemi via EV]

I thought the Leaf modules were each 4s, similar to how a 7.2v Prius module
is 6s. I stand corrected. They are 2s2p.

They can be modded to 4s according to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAznO_p_rEY

So, yes that does mean 228 amps at an 80 kW full throttle at 3.65 volts per
cell with 96 pairs in series.


On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 02:13 Cor van de Water 
wrote:

> Nonsense, the Leaf modules are internally parallelled, so every Leaf bus
> bar and interconnecting wire alread carries the full ~250 Amps peak current.
>
> Continuous power at highway speed is closer to about 20kW, so just over 50
> Amps.
>
> Internal resistance of the entire pack is about 0.1 Ohms.
> This includes the 96 series cell pairs, the bus bars inside the modules
> that connect the 4 cells together in 2s2p configuration, the 54 bus bars
> that connect the 48 modules, the fused service disconnect and from the
> contactors to the front plug, plus the 3 lengths of high voltage wire.
> Cor.
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 8:35 PM Haudy Kazemi via EV 
> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't recommend using the Nissan Leaf busbars in pack locations that
>> exceed 114 amps. The bars should be fine within the series strings, which
>> is what I meant in my prior reply. The ends of each of the 5 parallel sets
>> should be connected some other way.
>>
>> I have heard of copper pipe being crushed flat, then drilled, to create
>> suitable custom high amp busbars.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 21:35 Mr. Sharkey via EV  wrote:
>>
>> >  > stack several of them for the 5p17s pack
>> >
>> > While it looks like you have done the calculations on voltage drop
>> > and heat production, and the values are acceptable, I'd question the
>> > wisdom of trying to build a 5p pack using the Leaf busbars, mostly
>> > because layering up multiple short busbars to parallel the modules
>> > will result in a large number of junctions between the busbars,
>> > resulting in even more resistance and a lot of clutter on the terminals.
>> >
>> > When I built up the 2p5s pack for my Electrak this spring, I went to
>> > fleabay and bought some appropriately-sized copper stock, ran it
>> > through the drill press and made custom-fit busbars that could span
>> > four modules (paralleling two each and making the needed series
>> > connection between the paralleled modules).
>> >
>> > The only purpose for the stock Leaf busbars was to tie the middle
>> > terminals of the paralleled modules together. In my case, that was a
>> > good application, but if you are tying five center terminals
>> > together, I'd even make custom bars for that too, although they won't
>> > need to be very big, as in a perfect world, there isn't going to be
>> > very much current flowing in that part of the circuit.
>> >
>> > Photos of the Et conversion here: http://www.evalbum.com/79
>> >
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[EVDL] evdl sysmgr sez: I want 2005 back ... zoe as nano e-van

[evln via EV]

His reply was not about EVs but whingeing(complaining) about how 
life/use-of-the-internet has changed since 2005.

Some might think his post was about my use of that link over spending 
time providing a link that did not hit you in the face with a nag screen to
click 'agree' to read the page ...

Any EVangel considering doing what do to constantly search the EV 
newswires for weekly posting to the evdl, will have to endure these nag 
screens: less so in N.America, and much more so outside NA, especially
.uk and .eu sites. 

Harvesting personal data is nothing new. It goes back to the 1990s, when
the internet was not as widely used. Microsoft, aol, netscape, any many
others, were harvesting without telling you.

I'm assuming, .uk & .eu passed laws to tell you what they are doing and
force you to click agree to pay-the-piper so you can read the page. 
Folks, this is the search-effort I endure all the time.

BTW, when I choose the one of many links to the same story, I usually
choose the one that has the most information (meat) and images 
readers want to read/see. 

As always, if you do not want my posts, please know it is very simple 
to block them (on your side). I am banking that the evdl archives will
be of invaluable help to the public in the future (there is only about 1/3
of my free EV efforts in the archive, the 1st 2/3 since 1990 were 
thrown-away/purged ...  :sob: )

IMO, I wouldn't want to go back to 2005. It wasn't until 2010/11 that
automaker production EVs were offered for sale to the public. 

We have many freedoms here in N.America: the right to be a whingeing
old curmudgeon remembering & wanting his good old days of paper 
media, rotary dial telephones, 8track,cassette & betamax tapes, 
when there was no cell phones, atms, and single-sided 8" floppies 
were all-the-rage.

No Virginia, anyone wanting to live before today's internet, covid 
lockdowns, etc., should change their name to Sherman and seek out
Mr. Peabody, so they can ride the way-back machine to a time of
ignorant (bullwinkle-moose) bliss.

Disclosure: I don't sell Verizon, but recently I gave up my at&t 
(android 5.2 dual-core APU) phone that I was teathing off of for 
my internet connection, for the sweet yahoo/verizon $40/mo deal 
requring I also buy a $50 supported (5g capabile though currently 
running on 4g, andriod 9, quard-core APU) phone. 
Its faster, cheaper per mo., w/ (so-called) unlimited data. at&t 
treated me well for many years of searching the EV newswires, 
but their data plans just did not keep up with today's web page 
data demands (I would run up against at&t's 8gb data limit way 
before the end of the month because today's web pages have so 
many ads, and auto-stream videos, etc. that eat data voraciously).
Now, I search &search, play EV video streams without worrying.


Speaking of backward thinking, GM is thinking of spinning off 
their EV line, see

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/08/01/gm-electric-vehicles-mary-barra/5549426002/
GM's Barra indicates consideration of electric vehicle spin-off
2020/08/01  General Motors should create a new electric vehicle company. 
That's one idea that came from GM's call with analysts this week after the 
automaker released its ...


IMO,it was dumb when GM assigned Saturn as EV1's brand, which 
eventually went no-where after the EV1s were crushed.
Also, haven't we learned anything that making EVs 
separate-but-not-equal, does not work?




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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-2 compact affordable EV under development

[evln via EV]

https://www.motoring.com.au/telsa-model-2-compact-car-coming-125376/
Telsa Model 2 compact car coming
July 28, 2020 ... Tesla is on a crusade to reduce the price of its EVs and
company CEO Elon Musk has confirmed an affordable, global, compact model
electric is coming. Although the Tesla Model 2 name has not been set in
stone, Musk revealed that a compact car/SUV and a ‘higher capacity’ EV are
under development ...
https://motoring.pxcrush.net/motoring/general/editorial/tesla-model-2.jpg


+ (canadanickel.com has Musk’s Sustainable Nickel)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canadian-miner-answers-elon-musk-11849.html
Canada Miner Answers Elon Musk’s Plea for Sustainable Nickel
July 27, 2020 ... Tesla boss pledged a “giant” contract to miners that
produce the critical battery metal in an “environmentally sensitive” manner
...




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[EVDL] EVLN: Lovable Honda-E EV Is a Hoot

[evln via EV]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/a33403395/honda-e-review-hoot-to-drive/
The Honda E Is a Lovable Hoot to Drive
Jul 23, 2020  Honda's adorable rear-drive electric hatchback is maximum
cuteness on wheels. The all-electric Honda E falls in to that category. ...
To get in the basic car you'll need to shell out the British equivalent of
just under $34,000 ...
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/305410-2020-honda-e-1595517527.jpg
...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2020/07/26/honda-electric-car-is-range-and-price-challenged-but-technology-quality-are-plusses/#475eee76621a


+ (Entry-Level VW ID.1 In 2025 Replacing e-Up! EV)
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/07/entry-level-vw-id-1-due-in-2025-will-replace-the-e-up/
Entry-Level VW ID.1 Due In 2025, Will Replace The e-Up!
July 23, 2020  The Volkswagen ID.3 promises to usher in a new era of
mainstream electric vehicles, ... of derivatives including an ID.1 Crozz
crossover and an e-Roomzz van ... The Volkswagen ID.3 promises to usher in a
new era of mainstream electric vehicles, but it will eventually be followed
by a more affordable hatchback. Car Magazine says the company is working on
an electric city car known as the ID.1 and codenamed the “e-Zzity.”
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200804

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-2-compact-affordable-EV-under-development-tp4698400.html
EVLN: Tesla-2 compact affordable EV under development
Telsa Model 2 compact car coming
July 28, 2020 ... Tesla is on a crusade to reduce the price of its EVs and
company CEO Elon Musk has confirmed an affordable, global, compact model
electric is coming. Although the Tesla Model 2 name has not been set in
stone, Musk revealed that a compact car/SUV and a ‘higher capacity’ EV are
under development ...
https://motoring.pxcrush.net/motoring/general/editorial/tesla-model-2.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Lovable-Honda-E-EV-Is-a-Hoot-tp4698401.html
EVLN: Lovable Honda-E EV Is a Hoot
The Honda E Is a Lovable Hoot to Drive
Jul 23, 2020  Honda's adorable rear-drive electric hatchback is maximum
cuteness on wheels. The all-electric Honda E falls in to that category. ...
To get in the basic car you'll need to shell out the British equivalent of
just under $34,000 ...
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/305410-2020-honda-e-1595517527.jpg


+
canadanickel.com has Musk’s Sustainable Nickel

Entry-Level VW ID.1 In 2025 Replacing e-Up! EV

30yrold e-bike .il rider killed in ice crash


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Autopilot-EV-avoids-accident-then-falls-into-another-tp4698310.html
Autopilot EV avoids accident then falls into another
Autopilot Tesla helped to avoid the accident, but immediately fell into
another: video  
July 21, 2020 ... On a highway in the U.S. accident involving Dodge Durango
SUV and the Tesla Model 3. Electric car with autopilot system was able to
avoid a collision with the trailer, but this time it rammed an American SUV
... (video  flash)


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Zoe-EV-converted-for-use-as-a-micro-e-van-r-245mi-tp4698384p4698399.html
 ... I want 2005 back ... %need to change w/ the times%




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[EVDL] EVLN: 100k Kona EV Sale$> sleek sporty vibe outline r:250mi

[evln via EV]

https://thenewswheel.com/hyundai-kona-electric-tops-100k-sales/
Hyundai Kona Electric Tops 10 Sales
July 24, 2020 ... automaker hopes to sell 560,000 electric vehicles by 2025
as part of its long-term push ... It can travel more than 250 miles on a
single charge ... gives off sporty vibes with a sleek outline, 17-inch alloy
wheels, and vivid color options like Ceramic Blue and Pulse Red ...
https://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Hyundai-Kona-Electric-02-1000x667.jpg


+ (20 purchase orders for Workhorse C-1000 delivery-EVs)
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/07/20200724-workhorse.html
Workhorse Group receives purchase order for 20 C-1000 electric delivery
vehicles
24 July 2020 ... Workhorse Group Inc. has received an initial purchase order
for 20 of its all-electric C-1000 delivery vehicles from Cincinnati-based,
newly-launched trucking company, eTrucks ... order for 20 of its
all-electric C-1000 delivery vehicles from Cincinnati-based, ... reduced
operating costs that come from a quiet-riding electric vehicle option ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: unpluggedperformance.com Pikes-Peak tricked EV

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https://electrek.co/2020/07/28/tesla-model-3-race-car-breaks-track-record-sets-pikes-peak/
Tesla Model 3 race car breaks track record, sets eyes on Pikes Peak
Jul. 28th 2020 ... Unplugged Performance built an electric race car using a
Tesla Model 3 Performance in just a week and the race car has already broken
a track record and now they set their eyes on the Pikes Peak hill climb ...
Unplugged’s goal is to deliver a vehicle that can beat a 991 GT3 RS for half
the price and with the performance that the Ascension package is getting now
for just $35,000 over the price of the Model 3, it looks like it’s actually
happening ...
https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/BW3_6162_11_Jul2520_CaliPhoto.jpg


+ (Jamie Foxx's first experience driving a Tesla, v)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/watch-jamie-foxx-go-zero-to-60-while-test-driving-a-tesla-holler-at-me-elon/ar-BB17fKiv
Watch Jamie Foxx go zero to 60 while test-driving a Tesla: 'Holler at me,
Elon'
July 27, 2020 ... Actor and comedian Jamie Foxx took a Tesla Model 3 for a
test-drive in a video recently posted to the star's YouTube channel. "This
is my Tesla commercial," Foxx jokes ... "I felt macho. I felt in control.
And at the same time, I felt sleek," Foxx's first experience driving a Tesla
...




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200805

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-100k-Kona-EV-Sale-sleek-sporty-vibe-outline-r-250mi-tp4698403.html
EVLN: 100k Kona EV Sale$> sleek sporty vibe outline r:250mi
Hyundai Kona Electric Tops 10 Sales
July 24, 2020 ... automaker hopes to sell 560,000 electric vehicles by 2025
as part of its long-term push ... It can travel more than 250 miles on a
single charge ... gives off sporty vibes with a sleek outline, 17-inch alloy
wheels, and vivid color options like Ceramic Blue and Pulse Red ...
https://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Hyundai-Kona-Electric-02-1000x667.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-unpluggedperformance-com-Pikes-Peak-tricked-EV-tp4698404.html
EVLN: unpluggedperformance.com Pikes-Peak tricked EV
Tesla Model 3 race car breaks track record, sets eyes on Pikes Peak
Jul. 28th 2020 ... Unplugged Performance built an electric race car using a
Tesla Model 3 Performance in just a week and the race car has already broken
a track record and now they set their eyes on the Pikes Peak hill climb ...
Unplugged’s goal is to deliver a vehicle that can beat a 991 GT3 RS for half
the price and with the performance that the Ascension package is getting now
for just $35,000 over the price of the Model 3, it looks like it’s actually
happening ...
https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/BW3_6162_11_Jul2520_CaliPhoto.jpg


+
20 purchase orders for Workhorse C-1000 delivery-EVs

Jamie Foxx's first experience driving a Tesla (v)

Hurricane Hanna hits South-TX> no-power4 EVSE,flooding


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/e-boat-in-floating-cinemas-9-9-Houston-9-23-Austin-TX-tp4698318.html
e-boat-in floating-cinemas 9/9 @Houston & 9/23 @Austin-TX
'Floating Cinema' is Headed to Houston and Austin
Houston's Floating cinema launches Sept. 9 and will last a week
July 27, 2020 ... socially-distant electric boats gather for a screening ...
Austin's boat-in (a drive-in without a parking lot) theater will offer a
different kind of movie experience for a week ... starting Sept. 23. At each
site, 12 to 24 mini boats holding up to eight people will be spread out with
social distancing in mind. A mix of Golden oldies and new releases will be
shown as moviegoers enjoy free popcorn. Movie snacks and drinks will be for
sale before boats set sail ...
https://cdn0.wideopencountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/6a89df04-26a1-4ac1-8467-e74d9c7e650a-large16x9_floatingcinema-793x521.jpeg




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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-3 retains 5x better resale value over all other EVs

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https://insideevs.com/features/435693/tesla-model-3-exceptional-resale-value-among-cars/
Tesla Model 3 Three-Year Depreciation Is 10%: EV Industry Average Is 52%
JUL 24, 2020 ...  the Tesla Model 3 can retain its resale value over five
times better than all other electric cars and about four times better than
all cars in general. Interestingly, the Model S and Model X, while not as
impressive as the Model 3, hold their value well to ... than all other
electric cars and about four times better than all cars in general ...
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom/tesla-model-3-depreciation.JPG


+ (Deployable mobile Tesla pop-up .eu trailer stores)
https://electrek.co/2020/07/22/tesla-brings-back-pop-up-store-trailer/
Tesla brings back pop-up store concept inside a trailer
2020/07/22 ... Tesla brought back its deployable mobile pop-up store concept
as it is expanding into central Europe, a new market for the automaker.
Before Tesla started to expand its retail presence with brick and mortar
stores, the automaker came up with a strategy to deploy mobile “pop-up”
stores ...
https://youtu.be/51yl25SBWdU




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[EVDL] EVLN: GM Ultium Compared To Tesla Batteries

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https://www.hotcars.com/gm-ultium-compares-tesla-battery/
How The GM Ultium Compares To A Tesla Battery
2020-07-24  The Ultium battery is based on new technology and a "flexible,
modular platform" seeking to provide many advantages in the realm of EV
technology ... The Ultium battery is based on new technology and a
"flexible, modular platform" seeking to provide many advantages in the realm
of EV technology. The company has been engineering novel EV features with LG
Chem ... 
This platform is set to make an appearance in ... Chevrolet Bolt EV,
electric Hummer, and Cadillac Lyriq SUV ...
https://static3.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/GM-Ultium.jpg
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=GM+Ultium


+ (.uk Oxis Li-S cell powered 2seat-aircraft plans)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/07/21/plans-take-shape-for-lithium-sulfur-battery-powered-two-seater-plane/
Plans take shape for lithium-sulfur-battery powered two-seater plane
July 21, 2020 ... British Li-S cell manufacturer Oxis Energy today revealed
it is working with U.S. planemaker Texas Aircraft Manufacturing on a pilot
training and private transport aircraft. The trainer appears likely to be at
least three years away from development, given the commissioning timeline
previously announced for Oxis’ Brazilian cell factory ...
https://16iwyl195vvfgoqu3136p2ly-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/MBB-OXIS-and-Codemge-plant-1200x750.png




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200806

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-3-retains-5x-better-resale-value-over-all-other-EVs-tp4698406.html
EVLN: Tesla-3 retains 5x better resale value over all other EVs
Tesla Model 3 Three-Year Depreciation Is 10%: EV Industry Average Is 52%
JUL 24, 2020 ...  the Tesla Model 3 can retain its resale value over five
times better than all other electric cars and about four times better than
all cars in general. Interestingly, the Model S and Model X, while not as
impressive as the Model 3, hold their value well to ... than all other
electric cars and about four times better than all cars in general ...
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom/tesla-model-3-depreciation.JPG


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-GM-Ultium-Compared-To-Tesla-Batteries-tp4698407.html
EVLN: GM Ultium Compared To Tesla Batteries
How The GM Ultium Compares To A Tesla Battery
2020-07-24  The Ultium battery is based on new technology and a "flexible,
modular platform" seeking to provide many advantages in the realm of EV
technology ... The Ultium battery is based on new technology and a
"flexible, modular platform" seeking to provide many advantages in the realm
of EV technology. The company has been engineering novel EV features with LG
Chem ... 
This platform is set to make an appearance in ... Chevrolet Bolt EV,
electric Hummer, and Cadillac Lyriq SUV ...
https://static3.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/GM-Ultium.jpg


+
Deployable mobile Tesla pop-up .eu trailer stores

.uk Oxis Li-S cell powered 2seat-aircraft plans

evercharge-pr> Charging 100's of EVs @condos


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Smoothing-Out-the-dreaded-Duck-Curve-EV-charging-strategies-tp4698343.html
Smoothing Out the dreaded Duck-Curve> EV charging strategies
Smoothing Out the “Duck Curve” – Influx of Electric Vehicles Accelerates
Need for Grid Planning
JULY 29, 2020 ... Planning for EVs can help cities avoid large investments
in grid infrastructure down the road ... For grid reliability, PNNL study
shows advance planning and smart EV charging strategies could help cities
and utilities smooth out the duck curve and avoid costly new infrastructure.
https://scitechdaily.com/images/Planning-for-EVs-777x393.jpg




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van r:245mi

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> I would run up against at&t's 8gb data limit way
> before the end of the month because today's web pages have so
> many ads, and auto-stream videos, etc. that eat data voraciously

I think this part of your post verifies David's concerns about Yahell 
very nicely. That's ~exactly~ his point, some of us draw a line at 
how much invasion of privacy we are willing to bear.


You want frustration? Try using the internet on dialup service, as I 
am frequently forced to do when the crappy satellite ISP is down. I 
have great appreciation for web pages and sites that are written with 
sparse code and load fast without gobbling up bandwidth - whether 
it's served up by satellite "broadband" or reliable dialup backup systems.


Bruce, nobody is denigrating you on your posts on behalf of the EVLN, 
you work hard at what you do, and I doubt that anyone here expects 
you to sanitize links you post other than to ensure that they are 
what you expect them to be.


For myself, I'm appreciative that David provided a more direct and 
less invasive link to the originating news organization's story.


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[EVDL] EVLN: Renault Gives Free Zoe EVs to SW .fr Town Residents

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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/renault-gives-free-zoe-ev-to-each-resident-in-this-town-146489.html
Renault Gives Free Zoe EV to Each Resident in This Town
25 Jul 2020 ... this “commune” in the Occitanie region of southwestern
France (close to the border with Spain) is also among the least-populated
little towns in France, with Wikipedia listing just 25 inhabitants at the
start of 2017. We did not imagine Renault would choose a town with thousands
of inhabitants ...
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/renault-gives-free-zoe-ev-to-each-resident-in-this-town-146489.html#agal_34


+ (Musk gives free power liftgate to wheelchair-bound customer)
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-elon-musk-free-power-liftgate-upgrade-disabled-model-3-owner/
Tesla’s Elon Musk gives free power liftgate upgrade for wheelchair-bound
Model 3 customer
July 25, 2020 ... Gigafactory Shanghai had started producing the MIC Model 3
at the time, and it was available for a reasonable price. The Tesla
enthusiast did not hesitate this time around. He pulled the trigger on a
Long Range RWD variant of the locally made sedan. His vehicle will have
basic Autopilot, which should help make driving easier. However, he opted to
not order the Full Self Driving suite, at least for now, or at least until a
good payment scheme is available ...
https://twitter.com/teslacn/status/1286962829090623488




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[EVDL] EVLN: 1st .de ID.3 EV buyers= young techie-males &VW 1st-timers

[evln via EV]

https://www.ft.com/content/d9476dbe-a9bc-4b9c-ba5d-921a2fc9632f
VW’s electric ID.3 model draws flood of orders from new customers
Jul 26, 2020 ... Demand for flagship EV from younger drivers boosts
carmaker’s effort to take on Tesla ... 85 per cent of the 37,000 people who
have paid to reserve an ID.3 had not bought VWs before. In contrast, 85 per
cent of sales of the German carmaker’s popular Golf hatchback are to repeat
customers The ID.3 is igniting with a population that is about 10 years
younger than the average profile [of our customers], which is around 58 in
Europe,” ...
https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2Fcb004aff-f4fc-4047-9e16-8941fd8eabaa.jpg
...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/VW-selling-ID-3-EV-on-July-20th-targeting-eu-market-tp4698174.html
 
VW selling ID.3 EV on July 20th> targeting .eu market 
]


https://electrek.co/2020/07/27/first-german-buyers-of-id-3-ev-are-young-techie-males-and-first-time-vw-owners/
First German buyers of ID.3 EV are young ‘techie’ males and first time VW
owners
Jul. 27th 2020 ...The orders came more than a year after Volkswagen started
taking deposits for its first purpose-built electric car ... revealed mostly
young “techie” men ... has received 37,000 pre-orders. About 85% of those
deposit-holders have not bought a VW before the ID.3 ... different buyer
than the loyal repeat buyers of the VW Golf hatchback. (About 85% of Golf
buyers previously purchased a Golf.) ...
https://i2.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/vw-id3-highway-2000.jpg


+  (2 Osoyoos Indian Band &FortisBC L2 EVSE)
http://www.netnewsledger.com/2020/07/29/osoyoos-indian-band-opens-two-fast-charge-ev-stations/
Osoyoos Indian Band Opens Two Fast Charge EV Stations
July 29, 2020 ... OSOYOOS INDIAN BAND LAND – Green Economy – The Osoyoos
Indian Band and FortisBC have now officially opened the first publicly
available DC fast-charging electric vehicle (EV) stations in a First Nation
community in B.C., allowing for emission-free travel through B.C.’s southern
interior routes ...
http://www.netnewsledger.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/BC-Osoyoos-Indian-Band-696x465.jpg
...
https://globalnews.ca/news/7237366/osoyoos-indian-band-electric-vehicle-charging-stations/




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200807

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EVLN: Renault Gives Free Zoe EVs to SW .fr Town Residents
Renault Gives Free Zoe EV to Each Resident in This Town
25 Jul 2020 ... this “commune” in the Occitanie region of southwestern
France (close to the border with Spain) is also among the least-populated
little towns in France, with Wikipedia listing just 25 inhabitants at the
start of 2017. We did not imagine Renault would choose a town with thousands
of inhabitants ...
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/renault-gives-free-zoe-ev-to-each-resident-in-this-town-146489.html#agal_34


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1st-de-ID-3-EV-buyers-young-techie-males-VW-1st-timers-tp4698411.html
EVLN: 1st .de ID.3 EV buyers= young techie-males &VW 1st-timers
VW’s electric ID.3 model draws flood of orders from new customers
Jul 26, 2020 ... Demand for flagship EV from younger drivers boosts
carmaker’s effort to take on Tesla ... 85 per cent of the 37,000 people who
have paid to reserve an ID.3 had not bought VWs before. In contrast, 85 per
cent of sales of the German carmaker’s popular Golf hatchback are to repeat
customers The ID.3 is igniting with a population that is about 10 years
younger than the average profile [of our customers], which is around 58 in
Europe,” ...
https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2Fcb004aff-f4fc-4047-9e16-8941fd8eabaa.jpg


+
Musk gives free power liftgate to wheelchair-bound customer

2 Osoyoos Indian Band &FortisBC L2 EVSE

Oxford .uk refuse e-truck 3day trial


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2021-KIA-Soul-EV-cancelled-from-us-sale-tp4698330.html
2021 KIA Soul EV cancelled from .us sale$
There’s terrible news if you were waiting for the 2021 Kia Soul EV
Jul 29, 2020 ... the Kia Soul EV apparently no longer coming to America.
Announced in late 2018 alongside the third-generation Soul update, the 2020
Soul EV had already missed its original launch date for the US market ...
the 2020 update, Kia was promising considerably more range: 243 miles,
according to the EPA, from the 64 kWh battery. Now it looks like we won’t be
testing that claim out on US roads ...
https://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-kia-soul-ev-1-1280x720.jpg




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Re: [EVDL] Leaf Busbar Ampacity

[Lee Hart via EV]

Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

Beware! Copper water pipe is not pure copper, but is composed of alloy,
you won't be getting the conductivity of 99% copper. Also, crushing and
drilling pipe is time consuming and messy, the drilled holes can't be
properly deburred, and the possibility of corrosion/tarnish in the
sandwiched interior surfaces is real.


Good points. Also, copper work-hardens easily, which makes it stiffer 
but a worse conductor. Coppper water pipe is hardened. As I recall, 
rigid copper water pipe is about 30% less conductive than soft copper 
sheet or wire with the same cross-section.



The only purpose for the stock Leaf busbars was to tie the middle
terminals of the paralleled modules together.



Why would you bother doing that?



These are used modules with a somewhat variable capacity remaining. I
was able to test that capacity and pair weaker modules with stronger
ones, creating a more robust pack assembly. Also, paralleling at the
cell level means half as many BMS channels. You see this as a bug, I see
it as a feature.


I think this is exactly why it is done. Saves money on the BMS, and lets 
the manufacturer use mismatched cells to produce a matched pair.



Maybe tying the center terminals together with a fuse is a more cautious
approach. Using thin-ish wire would be a similar current-limiting
technique.


This has been done. It does reduce the risk of a meltdown or fire in 
case one of the paralleled cells fails shorted. But the BMS needs to 
*know* that it has happened, to prevent overloaded the remaining cell 
and causing further damage.


Lee Hart

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van r:245mi

[Lee Hart via EV]

Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

I would run up against at&t's 8gb data limit way
before the end of the month because today's web pages have so
many ads, and auto-stream videos, etc. that eat data voraciously



I think this part of your post verifies David's concerns about Yahell
very nicely. That's ~exactly~ his point, some of us draw a line at how
much invasion of privacy we are willing to bear.

You want frustration? Try using the internet on dialup service, as I am
frequently forced to do when the crappy satellite ISP is down.


Amen to that. I live in the middle of Minnesota. My internet choices are 
slow, and slower; and it's only gotten worse since the pandemic. Slowest 
(dial up) is no longer even a viable option for email, since so many 
people send emails bloated with HTML, photos, etc.


Some web pages are now so big that they essentially paralyze my 
computer. There *is* no text; it's all images; so nothing appears until 
the entire page loads and finally renders. I give up after 5+minutes and 
move on.



I have great appreciation for web pages and sites that are written with
sparse code and load fast without gobbling up bandwidth


Same here. That's why my "old school" EV web pages are all small and 
load fast 



Bruce, nobody is denigrating you on your posts on behalf of the EVLN,
you work hard at what you do, and I doubt that anyone here expects you
to sanitize links you post other than to ensure that they are what you
expect them to be.


Agreed. Bruce does a great job culling out the BS, and only reporting on 
the 1% of links with more promising content that we might like to check 
out. (The other 99% is *really* bad!)


But it is helpful when he or David can also provide less-invasive links.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van r:245mi

[Peri Hartman via EV]

For browsing, you might try Brave, which has a built-in ad blocker. I 
found my computer overheating with the CPU fan on full bore while trying 
to download and handle too many video ads. Once I started using Brave, 
the problem went away.


Peri

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Cc: "Lee Hart" 
Sent: 02-Aug-20 3:04:59 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van 
r:245mi



Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

I would run up against at&t's 8gb data limit way
before the end of the month because today's web pages have so
many ads, and auto-stream videos, etc. that eat data voraciously



I think this part of your post verifies David's concerns about Yahell
very nicely. That's ~exactly~ his point, some of us draw a line at how
much invasion of privacy we are willing to bear.

You want frustration? Try using the internet on dialup service, as I am
frequently forced to do when the crappy satellite ISP is down.


Amen to that. I live in the middle of Minnesota. My internet choices are slow, 
and slower; and it's only gotten worse since the pandemic. Slowest (dial up) is 
no longer even a viable option for email, since so many people send emails 
bloated with HTML, photos, etc.

Some web pages are now so big that they essentially paralyze my computer. There 
*is* no text; it's all images; so nothing appears until the entire page loads 
and finally renders. I give up after 5+minutes and move on.


I have great appreciation for web pages and sites that are written with
sparse code and load fast without gobbling up bandwidth


Same here. That's why my "old school" EV web pages are all small and load fast 



Bruce, nobody is denigrating you on your posts on behalf of the EVLN,
you work hard at what you do, and I doubt that anyone here expects you
to sanitize links you post other than to ensure that they are what you
expect them to be.


Agreed. Bruce does a great job culling out the BS, and only reporting on the 1% 
of links with more promising content that we might like to check out. (The 
other 99% is *really* bad!)

But it is helpful when he or David can also provide less-invasive links.

Lee Hart

-- A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is
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-- Antoine de Saint Exupery
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla .de making better li-ion cells> 9/22 battery day

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/teslas-battery-production-in-germany-will-bring-completely-new-batteries-report/ar-BB17fFFe
Tesla's Battery Production In Germany Will Bring 'Completely New Batteries':
Report
July 27, 2020 ... Tesla battery production will be located near the new
Gigafactory being constructed in Berlin, Germany ... a translated quote from
Jörg Steinbach, Minister of Economics, that the batteries built in Germany
will be better than the companies batteries we know of today. More
information ... during the company's battery investor day ... Sept. 22 2020
...
...
https://electrek.co/2020/07/27/tesla-build-new-batteries-gigafactory-berlin-german-official/
...
https://fossbytes.com/teslas-electric-car-battery-energy-density-to-increase-by-20-in-5-years/


+ (Standard Oil chemist invented Supercapacitors)
https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/15512/supercapacitor-past-present-and-future
Supercapacitor: Past, present and future
31 July 2020 ... operational voltage, with the potential for extraordinary
energy storage and fast charging in both organic and aqueous electrolytes,
is between 1 to 3 V ... it stores electrical charge in the electric double
layer at an interface of a surface-electrolyte ... Rightmire, a chemist at
the Standard Oil Company of Ohio ... invented the standard EC design used
today ... The coupling of current energy-storage technologies with a
double-layered charging interface is considered the most favorable future of
supercapacitors ...
Standalone supercapacitor batteries are at its final stages. A successful
prototype of a supercapacitor battery ...
https://electronics360.globalspec.com/images/assets/512/15512/collection_of_supercapacitors.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: (Spied)> Tesla-3 Tagging-Along w/ Kia EV Under-Test

[evln via EV]

https://www.motor1.com/news/436073/kia-electric-vehicle-spy-shots/
Kia EV Spied Testing With Tesla Model 3 Tagging Along
JUL 27, 2020  ... at Kia's upcoming electric vehicle. This time it's testing
with a Tesla Model 3, which offers a hint at the benchmarks that the company
is setting for the new EV ... In front, the nose arches downward, and there
are oval headlights. The A-pillars have a steep rake and lead to a fairly
flat roof ... there's an angled rear window but a fairly flat bumper below
it. The taillights are barely visible underneath the camo ...
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/mp6A4/s1/kia-ev-spy-shots-lead.jpg


+ (GM Optiq Trademark For Cadillac EV)
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/07/gm-trademarks-optiq-for-future-cadillac-electric-model/
GM Trademarks ‘Optiq’ For Future Cadillac Electric Model
JUL 27, 2020 ... The Cadillac Optiq name takes after the brand's latest EV
nomenclature, which moves away from the CT# and XT# nomenclature currently
used for cars and ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200808

[evln via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-de-making-better-li-ion-cells-9-22-battery-day-tp4698416.html
EVLN: Tesla .de making better li-ion cells> 9/22 battery day
Tesla's Battery Production In Germany Will Bring 'Completely New Batteries':
Report
July 27, 2020 ... Tesla battery production will be located near the new
Gigafactory being constructed in Berlin, Germany ... a translated quote from
Jörg Steinbach, Minister of Economics, that the batteries built in Germany
will be better than the companies batteries we know of today. More
information ... during the company's battery investor day ... Sept. 22 2020
...


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Spied-Tesla-3-Tagging-Along-w-Kia-EV-Under-Test-tp4698417.html
EVLN: (Spied)> Tesla-3 Tagging-Along w/ Kia EV Under-Test
Kia EV Spied Testing With Tesla Model 3 Tagging Along
JUL 27, 2020  ... at Kia's upcoming electric vehicle. This time it's testing
with a Tesla Model 3, which offers a hint at the benchmarks that the company
is setting for the new EV ... In front, the nose arches downward, and there
are oval headlights. The A-pillars have a steep rake and lead to a fairly
flat roof ... there's an angled rear window but a fairly flat bumper below
it. The taillights are barely visible underneath the camo ...
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/mp6A4/s1/kia-ev-spy-shots-lead.jpg


+
Standard Oil chemist invented Supercapacitors

GM Optiq Trademark For Cadillac EV

Training Ford Dealerships about Mach-E EVs


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Kandi-13k-K23-22-5k-K27-cn-EVs-4sale-in-Garland-TX-tp4698363.html
Kandi $13k K27 &$22.5k K23 .cn EVs 4sale in Garland-TX
Kandi Brings the ‘Most Affordable’ Electric Cars in the U.S. to Dallas-Fort
Worth
JUL 30, 2020 ... A virtual event will kick off the launch of two models—the
K23 and K27. The price tag for its new compact EV starts at about $13,000
after incentives, Garland-based Kandi America ... Launching first in
Dallas-Fort Worth, Kandi is bringing the EVs it calls “the most affordable”
... The Chinese electric vehicle maker acquired Garland-based SC Autosports
in 2018 to distribute its EVs in the U.S. ... place a $100 deposit down for
one of the new cars ... available ... by year end ...
https://s24806.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/kandi-scautosports-008-1536x1024.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: EVs can drive through a Monsoon's pool of water> no malfunctions

[evln via EV]

https://www.cardekho.com/india-car-news/do-electric-cars-and-monsoons-go-together-myths-busted-25872.htm
Do Electric Cars And Monsoons Go Together? Myths Busted!
Jul 29, 2020 ... Tata Motors clears the air ... driving an electric car into
a pool of water doesn't cause any malfunction and doesn't conduct
electricity into the water around the vehicle. All systems inside the
battery pack have multiple layers of protective cutoffs which activate at
the first sign of water ingress. The main battery pack also has the ability
to isolate itself electrically from the rest of the car ...
https://stimg2.cardekho.com/images/carNewsEditorImages/816x544/20200728_172159/25872/tata0.jpg


+ (Car-park w/ folding PV roof for recharging EVs)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/07/22/a-car-park-pv-folding-roof-to-recharge-electric-vehicles/
A car park PV folding roof to recharge electric vehicles
July 22, 2020  The first Horizon folding rooftop has been installed above a
parking lot in Switzerland, where it will generate power for on-site
consumption, including EV charging.
The first Horizon folding rooftop has been installed above a parking lot in
Switzerland, where it will ...
https://16iwyl195vvfgoqu3136p2ly-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sak-solarfaltdach_Schweiz_2020-e1595414193351.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: Sony's Vision-S EV Testing on Public Roads

[evln via EV]

https://phonemantra.com/sony-will-develop-another-electric-car-stuffed-with-optical-sensors/
Sony will develop another electric car stuffed with optical ...
2020-07-28 ... Sony is not going to compete with automakers ... with the
help of such demonstration samples, it seeks to attract the attention of
these same manufacturers to its products – optical sensors. According to
Techno Systems Research, Sony holds only 8.6% of the automotive image sensor
market, although it is the largest supplier of these products in the
smartphone market. Similar projects are designed to change the balance of
power – after the Vision-S, a second prototype will be created, which will
receive even more Sony sensors ...
https://phonemantra.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sony_01.jpg


https://www.pcmag.com/news/sony-to-test-vision-s-electric-car-on-public-roads
Sony's Vision-S Electric Car Will Be Tested on Public Roads
July 30, 2020  It looks far too good to remain just a concept car, and
public road testing suggests it may not for much longer.
VISION-S | Arrived in Tokyo for development
https://youtu.be/qiw0sCNP8ck
... (dated)
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Sony-Vision-S-showcase-EV-r-ts-250kph-0-100kph-4-8s-v-tp4696109.html
EVLN: Sony Vision-S showcase-EV r:? ts:250kph 0-100kph:4.8s (v)


+ (KSTAR smart PV &Energy Storage System solution for EVSE)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/press-releases/kstar-provides-pv-and-energy-storage-system-in-ev-charging-station/
KSTAR provides PV and Energy Storage System in EV Charging Station
July 22, 2020 ... KSTAR provides the smart solution of PV and Energy Storage
System in EV Charging Station in a simple and elegant way. KSTAR combines
its own product system and takes the charging system design of new-energy
electric vehicles as the core, integrating solar energy and energy storage
system to provide green power ...




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla .de making better li-ion cells> 9/22 battery day

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Oh ! We have a date for Battery Day, now ! I'm excited, though I will 
put on my hype-shield glasses :)

Peri

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-- Original Message --
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Sent: 02-Aug-20 4:22:03 PM
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla .de making better li-ion cells> 9/22 battery 
day





https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/teslas-battery-production-in-germany-will-bring-completely-new-batteries-report/ar-BB17fFFe
Tesla's Battery Production In Germany Will Bring 'Completely New Batteries':
Report
July 27, 2020 ... Tesla battery production will be located near the new
Gigafactory being constructed in Berlin, Germany ... a translated quote from
Jörg Steinbach, Minister of Economics, that the batteries built in Germany
will be better than the companies batteries we know of today. More
information ... during the company's battery investor day ... Sept. 22 2020
...
...
https://electrek.co/2020/07/27/tesla-build-new-batteries-gigafactory-berlin-german-official/
...
https://fossbytes.com/teslas-electric-car-battery-energy-density-to-increase-by-20-in-5-years/


+ (Standard Oil chemist invented Supercapacitors)
https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/15512/supercapacitor-past-present-and-future
Supercapacitor: Past, present and future
31 July 2020 ... operational voltage, with the potential for extraordinary
energy storage and fast charging in both organic and aqueous electrolytes,
is between 1 to 3 V ... it stores electrical charge in the electric double
layer at an interface of a surface-electrolyte ... Rightmire, a chemist at
the Standard Oil Company of Ohio ... invented the standard EC design used
today ... The coupling of current energy-storage technologies with a
double-layered charging interface is considered the most favorable future of
supercapacitors ...
Standalone supercapacitor batteries are at its final stages. A successful
prototype of a supercapacitor battery ...
https://electronics360.globalspec.com/images/assets/512/15512/collection_of_supercapacitors.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200809

[evln via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EVs-can-drive-through-a-Monsoon-s-pool-of-water-no-malfunctions-tp4698419.html
EVLN: EVs can drive through a Monsoon's pool of water> no malfunctions
Do Electric Cars And Monsoons Go Together? Myths Busted!
Jul 29, 2020 ... Tata Motors clears the air ... driving an electric car into
a pool of water doesn't cause any malfunction and doesn't conduct
electricity into the water around the vehicle. All systems inside the
battery pack have multiple layers of protective cutoffs which activate at
the first sign of water ingress. The main battery pack also has the ability
to isolate itself electrically from the rest of the car ...
https://stimg2.cardekho.com/images/carNewsEditorImages/816x544/20200728_172159/25872/tata0.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-de-making-better-li-ion-cells-9-22-battery-day-tp4698416.html
EVLN: Sony's Vision-S EV Testing on Public Roads
Sony will develop another electric car stuffed with optical ...
2020-07-28 ... Sony is not going to compete with automakers ... with the
help of such demonstration samples, it seeks to attract the attention of
these same manufacturers to its products – optical sensors. According to
Techno Systems Research, Sony holds only 8.6% of the automotive image sensor
market, although it is the largest supplier of these products in the
smartphone market. Similar projects are designed to change the balance of
power – after the Vision-S, a second prototype will be created, which will
receive even more Sony sensors ...
https://phonemantra.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sony_01.jpg


+
Car-park w/ folding PV roof for recharging EVs

KSTAR smart PV &Energy Storage System solution for EVSE

GMC Hummer EV as a Military Vehicle


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Win-a-26k-Leaf-EV-8-21-23-starhomeshow-kiwi-in-Christchurch-NZ-tp4698353.html
Win a $26k Leaf EV 8/21-23 @ starhomeshow.kiwi in Christchurch-NZ
Win an electric car at the Home and Leisure Show
30 July 2020 ... an array of major prizes have been sourced to give away to
several lucky Cantabrians who attend ... A major drawcard is an electric car
giveaway from HVS Motors worth $26,000, with more prizes to be announced
closer to the time. 

Look out for your free tickets featured in upcoming newspapers, if you cut
them out and take them along, you can gain free entry for yourself, friends
and family.

Mark your calendars, The Star Home and Leisure Show will be held from August
21-23 over Friday, Saturday and Sunday ...
https://www.odt.co.nz/sites/default/files/story/2020/07/show_car_.png




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200809

[Peter VanDerWal via EV]

WellI think that depends on the EV.  I drove my converted pickup through a 
large puddle about 15 years back and shorted out the GE motor controller.

However, most of the commerical EVs sold in the USA seem to have very good 
protection on the high voltage wiring.

August 2, 2020 4:57 PM, "evln via EV"  wrote:

> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EVs-can-drive-through-a-Monsoon-s-
> ool-of-water-no-malfunctions-tp4698419.html
> EVLN: EVs can drive through a Monsoon's pool of water> no malfunctions
> Do Electric Cars And Monsoons Go Together? Myths Busted!
> Jul 29, 2020 ... Tata Motors clears the air ... driving an electric car into
> a pool of water doesn't cause any malfunction and doesn't conduct
> electricity into the water around the vehicle. All systems inside the
> battery pack have multiple layers of protective cutoffs which activate at
> the first sign of water ingress. The main battery pack also has the ability
> to isolate itself electrically from the rest of the car ...
> https://stimg2.cardekho.com/images/carNewsEditorImages/816x544/20200728_172159/25872/tata0.jpg
> 
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-de-making-better-li-ion-cell
> -9-22-battery-day-tp4698416.html
> EVLN: Sony's Vision-S EV Testing on Public Roads
> Sony will develop another electric car stuffed with optical ...
> 2020-07-28 ... Sony is not going to compete with automakers ... with the
> help of such demonstration samples, it seeks to attract the attention of
> these same manufacturers to its products – optical sensors. According to
> Techno Systems Research, Sony holds only 8.6% of the automotive image sensor
> market, although it is the largest supplier of these products in the
> smartphone market. Similar projects are designed to change the balance of
> power – after the Vision-S, a second prototype will be created, which will
> receive even more Sony sensors ...
> https://phonemantra.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sony_01.jpg
> 
> +
> Car-park w/ folding PV roof for recharging EVs
> 
> KSTAR smart PV &Energy Storage System solution for EVSE
> 
> GMC Hummer EV as a Military Vehicle
> 
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Win-a-26k-Leaf-EV-8-21-23-starhomeshow-
> iwi-in-Christchurch-NZ-tp4698353.html
> Win a $26k Leaf EV 8/21-23 @ starhomeshow.kiwi in Christchurch-NZ
> Win an electric car at the Home and Leisure Show
> 30 July 2020 ... an array of major prizes have been sourced to give away to
> several lucky Cantabrians who attend ... A major drawcard is an electric car
> giveaway from HVS Motors worth $26,000, with more prizes to be announced
> closer to the time. 
> 
> Look out for your free tickets featured in upcoming newspapers, if you cut
> them out and take them along, you can gain free entry for yourself, friends
> and family.
> 
> Mark your calendars, The Star Home and Leisure Show will be held from August
> 21-23 over Friday, Saturday and Sunday ...
> https://www.odt.co.nz/sites/default/files/story/2020/07/show_car_.png
> 
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
> http://www.evdl.org/archive
> https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html
> 
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