Re: NYTimes.com: We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

[Samiya Illias]

…
30:30 So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] 
the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should 
there be in the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of 
the people do not know. 
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The Same Religion (الدِّينِ) 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-same-religion.html 


> On 24-Aug-2022, at 10:28 PM, smitra  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing! My comment on this article:
> 
> https://nyti.ms/3dQoxqU#permid=120043436
> 
> "It is inevitable that AI systems will end up becoming good enough to run the 
> economy, repair and reproduce themselves. Biology shows us that this does not 
> require highly intelligent systems. As things stand now,  even insects 
> outperform our best AI systems, but then we may not even need insect-level 
> intelligence to fully automatize our economy.
> 
> This development is then driven by economic growth, it's not something that's 
> easy to regulate. Companies will use whatever technology is available to 
> reduce costs and to get to higher profits. The current climate crisis shows 
> just how hard it is to regulate the rather simple process of our use of 
> energy to reduce CO2 emissions.
> 
> When in the future the economy is run by autonomous machines that maintain 
> and copy each other while producing all the stuff we consume, there will 
> exists a new machine biology besides the original biology. It's then 
> inevitable that the machine biology will not be fully compatible with the 
> original biology. Toxic compounds are likely to be produced.
> 
> The problem we'll then face is that we'll have even less power to mitigate 
> such problems than we have now when dealing with our CO2 emissions. It's then 
> likely that the new machine biology will destroy most of the original biology.
> 
> All intelligent life in the universe likely ends in this way. The takeover by 
> machines with insect-level intelligence or less, then explains why the galaxy 
> hasn't already been colonized (the so-called  Fermi Paradox)."
> 
> Saibal
> 
>> On 24-08-2022 14:39, John Clark wrote:
>> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a
>> subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a
>> subscription.
>> We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting
>> We’re in a golden age of progress in artificial intelligence. It’s
>> time to start taking its potential and risks seriously.
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/technology/ai-technology-progress.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DFDmweiPgYCIiG_EPKarskbtp2wzmQRNlGNLggVblq1OhQJUF2UE-ovp6A0twjEhkClLiSDCkwzo6fGvcx6yPrZW20b710ybPitBzZdWLoUKLA1XV2IRI1qJpmaV372SYKlazAReYl3cJsnqt0XuAMTjgFbCCLv_TjGk8-bI3ANkeAn1FwD-JJWjjTnsqe4qYAdWhRClHHRXB44wUs-Y8WeYNXbOukcUlWKIepiq4RC2doMI6iG5YwIoDUnL9gurLMwgeevnYkS2GsPvx_F8Tqd-ALMQ=em-share
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Re: Defund The FBI

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I never liked Orange Man's hire and fire mentality. That doesn't mean stick 
with a problem child, but it does mean place some genuine effort with whom you 
chose as one's advisor. For me this was always troubling, whether the employee 
was Omarosa or Bolton. 


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Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 11:10 am
Subject: Re: Defund The FBI

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:55 PM  wrote:


> The Justice Dept and the FBI are exclusive clients of the DNC. 

The current head of the FBI is Christopher Wray and he was appointed by a 
fellow by the name of Donald J Trump. And a typical FBI agent is white, male, 
middle-aged, and has a military background, not exactly a breeding ground for 
radical liberal Democrats. Believe it or not I remember that a long time ago in 
a galaxy far far away Republicans actually thought the police were the good 
guys.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

The original analogy by the philosopher (forget the name) was Jupiter, just to 
be picky. The point is today, we could, if we were rich as Musk, could physical 
place a Tea Pot into orbit of whichever Gas Giant you'd like. My experience is 
that many scientists hold everyone else as chumps, including their peers, and 
devalue collective intelligence of the human species. Understandable, yet this 
also is faulty. 


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Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:


>  I don't worship science as a faith. 

Neither do scientists.  
> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!

The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus 
hasn't been refuted either!  
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

If what I read of some news articles about old Adolf was that he literally went 
from performing felatio in Vienna parks at night to customers, to supplement 
his income as a starving artist, to commanding the German nation. Thus, yeah, 
one could see where somebody like that could develop delusions of grandeur. For 
his national brethren, its a bit different. All those peeps who dropped 
Christianity didn't get wiser, that got more crazy and mystical. Without Jesus 
to pick up the check for their lives, they went nuts. 


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Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
> criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
> matters and not personality. 


The two things cannot be separated so neatly. Adolf Hitler was a megalomaniac 
and a moral imbecile, if he had been just a man with only average moral 
sensibilities he never would've ordered the Nuremberg laws or anything like 
them.
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Re: Radical Physicalism

[Telmo Menezes]

They missed it by 8 days.

Telmo

Am Mi, 24. Aug 2022, um 20:34, schrieb Brent Meeker:
> Is it 1 April somewhere?
> 
> Brent
> 
> 
> On 8/24/2022 8:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> Second-order phase transitions is all you need, la la la la la
>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.13246
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Re: Radical Physicalism

[Brent Meeker]

Is it 1 April somewhere?

Brent

On 8/24/2022 8:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Second-order phase transitions is all you need, la la la la la
https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.13246
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Re: NYTimes.com: We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

[Brent Meeker]

The funny thing is that it's not really that AI is reaching high levels 
of intelligence; it's that humans aren't nearly as smart as they think 
they are.  I just read about the Rosenhan Experiment, which I had not 
heard of before although I was good friends with a psychologist at the 
local state mental asylum at the time. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment   People are easily 
misled into seeing what they want to see or what they fear seeing.  I 
think it's probably easier for an AI to write good propaganda than to 
write good poetry.


Brent

On 8/24/2022 5:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a 
subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription.


We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

We’re in a golden age of progress in artificial intelligence. It’s 
time to start taking its potential and risks seriously.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/technology/ai-technology-progress.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DFDmweiPgYCIiG_EPKarskbtp2wzmQRNlGNLggVblq1OhQJUF2UE-ovp6A0twjEhkClLiSDCkwzo6fGvcx6yPrZW20b710ybPitBzZdWLoUKLA1XV2IRI1qJpmaV372SYKlazAReYl3cJsnqt0XuAMTjgFbCCLv_TjGk8-bI3ANkeAn1FwD-JJWjjTnsqe4qYAdWhRClHHRXB44wUs-Y8WeYNXbOukcUlWKIepiq4RC2doMI6iG5YwIoDUnL9gurLMwgeevnYkS2GsPvx_F8Tqd-ALMQ=em-share 


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Re: NYTimes.com: We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

[smitra]

Thanks for sharing! My comment on this article:

https://nyti.ms/3dQoxqU#permid=120043436

"It is inevitable that AI systems will end up becoming good enough to 
run the economy, repair and reproduce themselves. Biology shows us that 
this does not require highly intelligent systems. As things stand now,  
even insects outperform our best AI systems, but then we may not even 
need insect-level intelligence to fully automatize our economy.


This development is then driven by economic growth, it's not something 
that's easy to regulate. Companies will use whatever technology is 
available to reduce costs and to get to higher profits. The current 
climate crisis shows just how hard it is to regulate the rather simple 
process of our use of energy to reduce CO2 emissions.


When in the future the economy is run by autonomous machines that 
maintain and copy each other while producing all the stuff we consume, 
there will exists a new machine biology besides the original biology. 
It's then inevitable that the machine biology will not be fully 
compatible with the original biology. Toxic compounds are likely to be 
produced.


The problem we'll then face is that we'll have even less power to 
mitigate such problems than we have now when dealing with our CO2 
emissions. It's then likely that the new machine biology will destroy 
most of the original biology.


All intelligent life in the universe likely ends in this way. The 
takeover by machines with insect-level intelligence or less, then 
explains why the galaxy hasn't already been colonized (the so-called  
Fermi Paradox)."


Saibal

On 24-08-2022 14:39, John Clark wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a
subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a
subscription.

We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

We’re in a golden age of progress in artificial intelligence. It’s
time to start taking its potential and risks seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/technology/ai-technology-progress.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DFDmweiPgYCIiG_EPKarskbtp2wzmQRNlGNLggVblq1OhQJUF2UE-ovp6A0twjEhkClLiSDCkwzo6fGvcx6yPrZW20b710ybPitBzZdWLoUKLA1XV2IRI1qJpmaV372SYKlazAReYl3cJsnqt0XuAMTjgFbCCLv_TjGk8-bI3ANkeAn1FwD-JJWjjTnsqe4qYAdWhRClHHRXB44wUs-Y8WeYNXbOukcUlWKIepiq4RC2doMI6iG5YwIoDUnL9gurLMwgeevnYkS2GsPvx_F8Tqd-ALMQ=em-share


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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
Mundane Paganism: Pan-Gaian-ism, earth centered devotion, natural mindedness, 
natural inclinations, either self-refining or the self-coarsening, 
self-awakening or demoniacal awakening.
Novo Zoe: Transcendent Transformation, New Creation, Alien Regeneration, 
Awakening Consciousness ["Two Great Awakenings"], Adonai YHWH Elohim 
exclusively and Solo Scriptura, Solus Spiritus.
[Philip Benjamin]
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 4:23 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:54 PM Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

> Stalin (Marxism), Hitler (Socialism), Mussolini (Fascism), Mao etc. (all in 
> effect are fascists) never dealt with climate change. They were all PAGANS

For Darwin sake! Pagan pagan pagan, is that really the only word you have to 
describe somebody you don't like? Your vocabulary is double plus ungood, it 
needs to become more better.
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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

[Philip Benjamin]

Empirical data are reliable, not simulations and GIGO models Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dirk Van Niekerk
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:46 AM
To: Everything List 
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

I did not post any simulations or models, just empirical, observational data.

Dirk
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
[Philip P. Benjamin]
 CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded history.
The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and all 
successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can
highjack  them.
Philip P. Benjamin
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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

[Dirk Van Niekerk]

I did not post any simulations or models, just empirical, observational 
data.  

Dirk

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:

> [Philip P. Benjamin]
>
>  CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded 
> history. 
>
> The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
> cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and 
> all successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can 
>
> highjack  them.
>
> *Philip P. Benjamin *
>
> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dirk Van Niekerk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* Everything List 
> *Subject:* Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
>
> [Philip P. Benjamin] 
> No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
> Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger 
> than petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years). 
> Philip P. Benjamin 
>
> For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been 
> higher than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  
> And all of this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why 
> do you think that is?
>
>  
>
> Dirk .
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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip P. Benjamin]
 CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded history.
The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and all 
successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can
highjack  them.
Philip P. Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dirk Van Niekerk
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 4:40 PM
To: Everything List 
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2


On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
[Philip P. Benjamin]
No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. Thousands 
of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger than petroleum 
burning (50 past + 100 future years).
Philip P. Benjamin
For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been higher 
than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  And all of 
this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why do you think 
that is?

Dirk .

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Radical Physicalism

[Telmo Menezes]

Second-order phase transitions is all you need, la la la la la
https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.13246

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Re: Defund The FBI

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:55 PM  wrote:

*> The Justice Dept and the FBI are exclusive clients of the DNC. *


The current head of the FBI is Christopher Wray and he was appointed by a
fellow by the name of Donald J Trump. And a typical FBI agent is white,
male, middle-aged, and has a military background, not exactly a breeding
ground for radical liberal Democrats. Believe it or not I remember that a
long time ago in a galaxy far far away Republicans actually thought the
police were the good guys.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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NYTimes.com: We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

[John Clark]

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber,
you can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

We’re in a golden age of progress in artificial intelligence. It’s time to
start taking its potential and risks seriously.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:

>  *I don't worship science as a faith. *
>

Neither do scientists.


> *> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!*
>

The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus
hasn't been refuted either!

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether
> criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy
> matters and not personality. *
>

The two things cannot be separated so neatly. Adolf Hitler was a
megalomaniac and a moral imbecile, if he had been just a man with only
average moral sensibilities he never would've ordered the Nuremberg laws or
anything like them.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[Samiya Illias]

> On 23-Aug-2022, at 6:17 PM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
> areas. 
> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph 
> of the Muslim State. 
> Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  
> 
> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
> greater good. 
> 
> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as 
> the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 
> 
> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
> shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 
> 
> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
> even married to a person from the other sect. 
> 
> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and 
> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

https://www.amazon.com/Heirs-Prophet-Muhammad-Barnaby-Rogerson/dp/0316727296 

> 
>> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if 
>> back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to 
>> know in the Quran.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

My view, not that my view counts for much, is that once a person hits 16, 
whoever they bed down with is on them. That somebody took advantage of their 
youth stretches credulity if that person is not physically or mentally 
disabled. 15 I could see yeah for immaturity, but  at the point of obtaining a 
drivers license or firearms, for me, the protection stops. Also, in the US, The 
Church has cash and this is an easy target for pissed off choir boys and their 
money enchanted attorneys. 
This often sells to a jury (US) but if the youths are of normal circumstances, 
it is their choice. The same (according to me) is to be extended to incident in 
public schools. Pregnancies notwithstanding. It's my view and I'm sticking with 
it. We have to grow up sometime.

-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 4:10 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

> I assure you I have not invented satanism. Oh, if you meant plural
> "you", and me being a member of some group, I do not think I am a
> member of such a group. Groups with which I identify the most are:

I meant "you" the Christians, but I shouldn't have phrased it like that, 
granted.

> - harcerze = Polish scouts. I was very briefly a member. They were
>  always a bit suspicious. But also a bit too good for this. And trust
>  me, if we ever invented satanism, we would have badges for it.
>
> - programmers - I consider myself one, but a really lousy one. Hard to
>  tell, perhaps we did it. But there would have been constant
>  disagreement about which programming platform to use for promotion
>  and miscreant behaviour. Anyway, traces of this should be on github.
>
> - engineers - ok, I have a degree but trust me, you will not want to
>  drive over my bridge and I will never stand under any built by
>  myself. But overally, we engineers are the most probably culprit. A
>  capable engineer, two hundred years ago, would stand up an
>  industrial complex from the grounds up. Some of us are good
>  planners. I tell you what, if you ever acquire evidence it was
>  engineers' plot, than man, you better stop fighting and join us.
>
> - thinkers - well, I am kind of on/off member. Thinkers like theory a
>  lot but we are total and absolute loosers in this world. If you find
>  evidence it was thinkers who did satanism, you will give us a great
>  honor by considering us fight-worthy. They will make a movie about
>  us, thousand against one you, us loosing patheticaly, most of times
>  by very funny accidents with self made weapons.
>
> - antropologists - well, we antopologists are even bigger loosers. And
>  I am just an amateur (never did anything to pursue degree), so an
>  even lousier one. If you find us to be guilty, you can just let us
>  go. We will keep talking about Satan, about connection between
>  country shape on a map and form of Satan venerated in that country,
>  taking notes of each other's talk. Really, if you decide to fight
>  antropologists, people will laugh at you and make jokes of you.

Believe it or not I am also a lousy programmer and had formal education as an 
engineer (even though I have a hard time seeing myself as one) who has done 
some research with anthropologists:

https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01429067/file/eScholarship%20UC%20item%205p57j1jm.pdf

I always thought that scouts were the best part of Catholicism and I almost 
joined at some point.

>> Satanism is the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic
>> projection of christian crimes. Fucking children? Priests are the
>> ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Just in Europe, by the
>> way, no USA needed for this one:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe
>> 
>> And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and
>> conspiring to hide evidence.
>
> Ok, here the jokes end. It is a tragedy that children were being
> abused and it is huge shame for Church. You are very much right. It
> would be a better world, if the people involved could be subject of
> legal proceedings, rather than hiding and hushhushing.
>
> Still, if you are trying to make a case that rapings had anything to
> do with religious duties, I do not think so. They happened while
> priests were performing religious duties, but crimes were not
> integral (required) part of those duties. And I do not think it is
> possible to defend a thesis, that some kind of God veneration was
> linked to child abuse.

Child abuse committed by Catholic priests is so incredibly common that there 
must be something about being a Catholic priest that either attracts people 
prone to these behaviors and/or triggers such behaviors. I suspect that there 
are three things that play a huge role:

(1) The vow of celibacy
(2) The association of normal sexual desires with guilt from a young age
(3) The exclusion of women from priesthood

All of these are catholic 

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Meaning the recent generation of Sein Fein were not Church goers like in 1916 
where it was "Prof v Croppy" as they called it. These were more focused on the 
socialist path, and world revolution, versus say the prod Red hand flying 
commandos. Was more ethnic war then a religious war amongst Christians. 
Meanwhile since the Easter Treaty there's been mostly peace and road bombs and 
kneecappings have all but vanished. With Islam? i read about blasts going on in 
Afghanistan and Pakistan in mosques as a sem-regular thing. The Umah (Islamic 
community) could learn from the West in this thing. 
Peace Out


-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

#yiv7056940519 p.yiv7056940519MsoNormal, #yiv7056940519 
p.yiv7056940519MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}Before prescribing it is good to 
understand, and your understanding of these events (including the IRA comment 
before) seems really shallow to me.

Telmo

Am Mi, 24. Aug 2022, um 07:20, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:


Not all religions are papal in nature organizationally. This is why there was a 
Reformation. Was it any better? Somewhat. The thing now is to decide not simply 
how vile religious are, even in the face of the 20th century murders by the 
irreligious taking the lead, but how to problem solve.  

If problem solving a problem works, then it can become national and 
international policy and policy, not personality is everything. 
 
 
-Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

 Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 11:35 pm
 Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]
 
 
Isn't religion all about policy...God commands...the Pope interprets.
 
 Brent
 
 
On 8/23/2022 8:30 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
matters and not personality. 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
 Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]
 
 


On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
 >> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 >>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
 >>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
 >>> Jewish wikipedia says:
 >>>
 >>> start quote
 >>>
 >>>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
 >>>
 >>>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
 >>>      ]
 >>>
 >>>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
 >>>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
 >>>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
 >>>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
 > [...]
 >> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
 >>
 >> Brent
 > I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?
 
 Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law. 


Brent
 
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