Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 20 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA. My post was not about the UDA; your comments are appreciated but they miss the mark widely. You post was not on UDA, but I guess you made a remark incompatible with CTM (comp), and I guess my comment was based on the UDA. You might be able to make a more specific comment, as I am not sure I can see where and how I miss the mark. Bruno -Gabe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:58, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: I think the argument usually goes like this: Suppose there's an infinite ensemble of the computations that include a mental state that remembers having been you as you are now. There are a lot of details needed to support such a mental state. Let's say it takes a minimum of N bits. Longer programs in the universal dovetailing may contain smaller subroutines, so we might expect that a given N-bit subroutine is twice as dense as a given (N+1)-bit subroutine. In consequence, we would expect our subsequent mental states to find themselves well explained by the simplest compatible program, and [insert handwaving here] the Big Bang with subsequent inflation is that simplest compatible scenario. That type of explanation does not met the FPI problem, where by the invariance of the first person experience for delays in the UD* inherit, notably below its substitution level, infinitely many experiences brought by very large, even aberrant, computational histories. Qm solves this through phase randomization, and computer science justifies the existence of a quantization in arithmetic which might provide a similar solution. You can also translate the above from terms of computations to terms of mathematical structures or if you prefer a different ToE ontology. Only for the notion of computation, do we have a Church's thesis. Then if the brain works like a machine, the TOE can use any Turing universal system. I use Robinson Arithmetic for the ontology, and Peano Arithmetic for the observer. You can probably also translate into physicalist terms given the right kind of infinitely varied physical multiverse. Any ontology that you can wrangle into being isomorphic to computation should do, I suppose. It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA. It is not a matter of choice, just of taking seriously the idea that the brain is not a analogous machine using actual infinities. I just show a problem, and show how we can solve it thanks to computer science and mathematical logic. In any case: yeah, it's a wonderful post-hoc rationalization, not science. It is a theorem: if comp is correct then the mind-body problem is reduced into the problem of justifying the physical and the sensible from arithmetic and arithmetical self-reference, and this in some precise ways. Nobody's deriving real testable predictions from it yet. If we're lucky it's proto-science and maybe someday we can make it science. I am sorry that you are judging without having read the work. On the contrary the propositional logic of the observable have already been derived, and compared to quantum logic. It is an open problem if we can derive the full universal quantum machinery, that would explain why below our substitution level, or at least why at some level, things looks like a quantum topology. Please follow the thread where I explain how to derive physics from the machine's interview, but you might study the UDA to understand the obligation to proceed in that way, to avoid person elimination. It is hard science, and very modest science, Gabe, so be cautious being negative on it, unless you find a flaw, of course. It shows that comp is a big problem, but then shows that computer science provides a sort of solution, whose shape is closer to a Platonic view of reality, than an aristotelian one. It is modest, yet radical, but the subject itself, the mind-body problem, is radical by itself, especially for the fundamentalist aristotelians. You must understand the problem, and the UDA exposes the main problem.. You might read the argument and the solution (path toward an infinite domain of investigations) here: http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html The math part assumes some familiarity with logic, and incompleteness. Boolos 79 and Boolos 93 are very good book, but you need to study Mendelson, or some other good introduction to logic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Very nice Richard. Not easy read though, but you preach a choir. I believe that string theory is testable. Like comp. Yet, even if string theory is confirmed, we would still have to derived it from comp, if it is the real theory, and not a local panorama. Bruno On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: Here is a prediction of the ratio of tensor to scalar of gravitational waves. They just got the ratio a bit low at 0.07 whereas the measured ratio is 0.2. http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.0706 Gravity Waves and Linear Inflation from Axion Monodromy Liam McAllister, Eva Silverstein, Alexander Westphal (Submitted on 5 Aug 2008 (v1), last revised 5 Aug 2008 (this version, v2)) Wrapped branes in string compactifications introduce a monodromy that extends the field range of individual closed-string axions to beyond the Planck scale. Furthermore, approximate shift symmetries of the system naturally control corrections to the axion potential. This suggests a general mechanism for chaotic inflation driven by monodromy-extended closed-string axions. We systematically analyze this possibility and show that the mechanism is compatible with moduli stabilization and can be realized in many types of compactifications, including warped Calabi-Yau manifolds and more general Ricci-curved spaces. In this broad class of models, the potential is linear in the canonical inflaton field, predicting a tensor to scalar ratio r=0.07 accessible to upcoming cosmic microwave background (CMB) observations. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. What restricts, possibly the inflation is the non triviality of the logic of relative self-referential universal numbers. Basically, the intensional variant ([]p p, []p Dt, []p Dt p, with Gödel's arithmetical beweisbar predicate, and p for the sigma_1 arithmetical sentences (which I recall are the sentences of the type ExP(x), with P a decidable predicate. Being able to prove all true sigma_1 sentences is computably equivalent with being Turing universal). Comp would have preferred, so to speak, a confirmation of brane collisions, or supersymmetries, but to be be 100% serious, at least one second, all this is still way above what comp can decide: open problems. Gathering information on a possible local physical beginning might gives us clues on the first person plural sharable substitution level, or of the depth (in Bennett sense of intrinsically long computation) of our cosmologies and cosmogonies. Beginning or beginnings? Now classical computationalism and mathematical logic, and number theory, can be many years late compared to physics, that's sure, but it might be a bit slightly in advance in theology. Certainly in machine theology. In the platonist sense of theology where God = Truth at some G* level (the machine should not say that God = Truth, for example: but we can see it for simple machine we can trust, and study their theology). Advantage of comp: it does not eliminate the first-person, the knower, the soul. On the contrary it attaches one to any universal number, with varying induction powers, and it provides a role in the emergence of laws and illusions. But the UDA shows that the quantization H - e^iH has to come from that first person (plural) view, notably from p - []p, with [] being the intensional variants of the beweisbar [], and much work remain to be done. Comp is not a solution, comp is a problem. I give the beginning of the solution to illustrate the problem. Oops, I am 110% serious here, sorry! Bruno On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:14:00 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimj...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:06, meekerdb wrote: On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. The concordance model of cosmogony (including gravity waves influencing the CMB) doesn't imply a finite past - only a finite past for this universe. Nice. (Not entirely sure what you mean precisely by this universe, though). Bruno Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 3/20/2014 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:06, meekerdb wrote: On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. The concordance model of cosmogony (including gravity waves influencing the CMB) doesn't imply a finite past - only a finite past for this universe. Nice. (Not entirely sure what you mean precisely by this universe, though). The one whose history includes the big bang and the CMB we observe. The observation of strong B-mode polarization at long wavelengths is consistent with predictions of the eternal inflation model and inconsistent with several others, such as the ekpyrotic and M-brane collision models. Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled on his blog. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA. My post was not about the UDA; your comments are appreciated but they miss the mark widely. -Gabe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled out on his blog. http://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/bicep2-some-winners-and-losers.html Very interesting! (IF) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
An article on the secrecy involved. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/03/secret-bicep-inflation/ On 21 March 2014 11:58, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled out on his blog. http://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/bicep2-some-winners-and-losers.html Very interesting! (IF) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Yay! More gravity waves! [?] http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/01/wired-space-photo-of-the-day-2014#slide-id-513201:full On 21 March 2014 15:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: An article on the secrecy involved. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/03/secret-bicep-inflation/ On 21 March 2014 11:58, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled out on his blog. http://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/bicep2-some-winners-and-losers.html Very interesting! (IF) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 360.gif
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. What restricts, possibly the inflation is the non triviality of the logic of relative self-referential universal numbers. Basically, the intensional variant ([]p p, []p Dt, []p Dt p, with Gödel's arithmetical beweisbar predicate, and p for the sigma_1 arithmetical sentences (which I recall are the sentences of the type ExP(x), with P a decidable predicate. Being able to prove all true sigma_1 sentences is computably equivalent with being Turing universal). Comp would have preferred, so to speak, a confirmation of brane collisions, or supersymmetries, but to be be 100% serious, at least one second, all this is still way above what comp can decide: open problems. Gathering information on a possible local physical beginning might gives us clues on the first person plural sharable substitution level, or of the depth (in Bennett sense of intrinsically long computation) of our cosmologies and cosmogonies. Beginning or beginnings? Now classical computationalism and mathematical logic, and number theory, can be many years late compared to physics, that's sure, but it might be a bit slightly in advance in theology. Certainly in machine theology. In the platonist sense of theology where God = Truth at some G* level (the machine should not say that God = Truth, for example: but we can see it for simple machine we can trust, and study their theology). Advantage of comp: it does not eliminate the first-person, the knower, the soul. On the contrary it attaches one to any universal number, with varying induction powers, and it provides a role in the emergence of laws and illusions. But the UDA shows that the quantization H - e^iH has to come from that first person (plural) view, notably from p - []p, with [] being the intensional variants of the beweisbar [], and much work remain to be done. Comp is not a solution, comp is a problem. I give the beginning of the solution to illustrate the problem. Oops, I am 110% serious here, sorry! Bruno On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:14:00 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimj...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
I think the argument usually goes like this: Suppose there's an infinite ensemble of the computations that include a mental state that remembers having been you as you are now. There are a lot of details needed to support such a mental state. Let's say it takes a minimum of N bits. Longer programs in the universal dovetailing may contain smaller subroutines, so we might expect that a given N-bit subroutine is twice as dense as a given (N+1)-bit subroutine. In consequence, we would expect our subsequent mental states to find themselves well explained by the simplest compatible program, and [insert handwaving here] the Big Bang with subsequent inflation is that simplest compatible scenario. You can also translate the above from terms of computations to terms of mathematical structures or if you prefer a different ToE ontology. You can probably also translate into physicalist terms given the right kind of infinitely varied physical multiverse. Any ontology that you can wrangle into being isomorphic to computation should do, I suppose. In any case: yeah, it's a wonderful post-hoc rationalization, not science. Nobody's deriving real testable predictions from it yet. If we're lucky it's proto-science and maybe someday we can make it science. -Gabe On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:32:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Here is a prediction of the ratio of tensor to scalar of gravitational waves. They just got the ratio a bit low at 0.07 whereas the measured ratio is 0.2. http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.0706 Gravity Waves and Linear Inflation from Axion Monodromy Liam McAllisterhttp://arxiv.org/find/hep-th/1/au:+McAllister_L/0/1/0/all/0/1 , Eva Silversteinhttp://arxiv.org/find/hep-th/1/au:+Silverstein_E/0/1/0/all/0/1 , Alexander Westphalhttp://arxiv.org/find/hep-th/1/au:+Westphal_A/0/1/0/all/0/1 (Submitted on 5 Aug 2008 (v1 http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.0706v1), last revised 5 Aug 2008 (this version, v2)) Wrapped branes in string compactifications introduce a monodromy that extends the field range of individual closed-string axions to beyond the Planck scale. Furthermore, approximate shift symmetries of the system naturally control corrections to the axion potential. This suggests a general mechanism for chaotic inflation driven by monodromy-extended closed-string axions. We systematically analyze this possibility and show that the mechanism is compatible with moduli stabilization and can be realized in many types of compactifications, including warped Calabi-Yau manifolds and more general Ricci-curved spaces. In this broad class of models, the potential is linear in the canonical inflaton field, predicting a tensor to scalar ratio r=0.07 accessible to upcoming cosmic microwave background (CMB) observations. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. What restricts, possibly the inflation is the non triviality of the logic of relative self-referential universal numbers. Basically, the intensional variant ([]p p, []p Dt, []p Dt p, with Gödel's arithmetical *beweisbar* predicate, and p for the sigma_1 arithmetical sentences (which I recall are the sentences of the type ExP(x), with P a decidable predicate. Being able to prove all true sigma_1 sentences is computably equivalent with being Turing universal). Comp would have preferred, so to speak, a confirmation of brane collisions, or supersymmetries, but to be be 100% serious, at least one second, all this is still way above what comp can decide: open problems. Gathering information on a possible local physical beginning might gives us clues on the first person plural sharable substitution level, or of the depth (in Bennett sense of intrinsically long computation) of our cosmologies and cosmogonies. Beginning or beginnings? Now classical computationalism and mathematical logic, and number theory, can be many years late compared to physics, that's sure, but it might be a bit slightly in advance in *theology*. Certainly in machine *theology*. In the platonist sense of theology where God = Truth at some G* level (the machine should not say that God = Truth, for example: but we can see it for simple machine we can trust, and study their theology). Advantage of comp: it does not eliminate the first-person, the knower, the soul. On the contrary it attaches one to any universal number, with varying induction powers, and it provides a role in the emergence of laws and illusions. But the UDA shows that the quantization H - e^iH has to come from that first person (plural) view, notably from p - []p, with [] being the intensional variants of the beweisbar [], and much work remain to be done. Comp is not a solution, comp is a problem. I give the beginning of the solution to illustrate the problem. Oops, I am 110% serious here, sorry! Bruno On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:14:00 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb- b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimj...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken 100% seriously. At first, we might say that any evidence that something is finite hereby already look like a refutation of comp, and this basically at the start, by taking seriously the FPI on *all* true sigma_1 sentences (which I recall somehow emulate the universal dovetailing). So, the apparent existence of a finite past might be a trouble for the computationalist hypothesis, below the substitution level, a first person plural reality should look like a superposition of more and more ever possible states, up to the still possible inflation of white rabbits. The concordance model of cosmogony (including gravity waves influencing the CMB) doesn't imply a finite past - only a finite past for this universe. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR You might also like to see Chris de Morsella's post. I'm not sure how to link to it but the title is First direct evidence of cosmic inflation Here is the link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140317125850.htm On 18 March 2014 12:21, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is very cool. Gravitational waves and inflation in one feel swoop. (Well, a 3-year fell swoop.) On 18 March 2014 12:20, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05 On 18 March 2014 11:24, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:21:20 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K Oh, thanks for saying thatI thought they meant gravity waves. Which - I thought - was a major prediction of Inflation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome? On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:14:00 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimj...@ozemail.com.au javascript: Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K On 18 Mar 2014, at 8:14 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:21:20 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: OK - so I should have written “Gravitational Wave” (Gravity waves are something else.) K Oh, thanks for saying thatI thought they meant gravity waves. Which - I thought - was a major prediction of Inflation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Only if you're being very nitpicky... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave I would say in the context of astrophysics or cosmology, everyone should know what your mean if you say gravity wave (i.e. you mean a gravitational wave). And it's shorter to type. On 18 March 2014 10:21, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K On 18 Mar 2014, at 8:14 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05 On 18 March 2014 11:24, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:21:20 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K Oh, thanks for saying thatI thought they meant gravity waves. Which - I thought - was a major prediction of Inflation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
This is very cool. Gravitational waves and inflation in one feel swoop. (Well, a 3-year fell swoop.) On 18 March 2014 12:20, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05 On 18 March 2014 11:24, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:21:20 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K Oh, thanks for saying thatI thought they meant gravity waves. Which - I thought - was a major prediction of Inflation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
You might also like to see Chris de Morsella's post. I'm not sure how to link to it but the title is First direct evidence of cosmic inflation On 18 March 2014 12:21, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is very cool. Gravitational waves and inflation in one feel swoop. (Well, a 3-year fell swoop.) On 18 March 2014 12:20, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05 On 18 March 2014 11:24, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014 9:21:20 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K Oh, thanks for saying thatI thought they meant gravity waves. Which - I thought - was a major prediction of Inflation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Scientific American said Gravity Waves in the page title so I wouldn't worry too much! On 18 March 2014 10:21, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K On 18 Mar 2014, at 8:14 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
Mind you BICEP2 is a rubbish acronym. On 18 March 2014 13:12, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Scientific American said Gravity Waves in the page title so I wouldn't worry too much! On 18 March 2014 10:21, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K On 18 Mar 2014, at 8:14 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered
What's wrong with SPOTS detector (Swirly Pattern On The Sky) ? :-) On 18 March 2014 14:11, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Mind you BICEP2 is a rubbish acronym. On 18 March 2014 13:12, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Scientific American said Gravity Waves in the page title so I wouldn't worry too much! On 18 March 2014 10:21, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: OK - so I should have written Gravitational Wave (Gravity waves are something else.) K On 18 Mar 2014, at 8:14 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Inflation appears now to be evidenced http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/?utm_source=hootsuiteutm_campaign=hootsuite Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Mobile: 0450 963 719 Landline: 02 9389 4239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let your schooling get in the way of your education - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
