Re: Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

2013-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 28 Nov 2013, at 12:12, Roger Clough wrote:


Perception and consciousness according to  Leibniz-

The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to  
the overall or Cosmic Mind


The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it  
forces us to

think that there is a fleshly homunculus

Leibniz has a more complicated understanding of particular minds and  
how they relate to Cosmic Mind.


In Leibniz's metaphysics, there is only one mind (the Perceiver or  
Cosmic Mind or God) that
perceives and acts, doing this through the Surpreme (most dominant)  
monad.

It perceives the whole universe with perfect clarity.








That's consistent with comp.

(careful by Gödel, we know that consistency is cheap. "proving the  
false in PA" is consistent in PA. So there is a gap between  
consistency and truth).


let us try: God = arithmetical-truth Then it can act, in some sense,  
through the universal machines. It cannot perceives the whole universe  
with perfect clarity, but can perceive arbitrarily large parts of it.




Only it can perceive and act, because its monads (which includes our  
minds) have no windows.


That's weird. In my image, all monads (programs, machines, relative  
numbers) *are* sort of window.





The monads (our minds) perceive only indirectly, as the Supreme  
Monad is the only
--what we would call-- "conscious" mind. We only think and perceive  
indirectly,

as the Supreme Monad continually and instantly updates its universe of
monads. Thus there is no problem communing with God (the Cosmic Mind)
as we do so continually and necessarily, although only aqccording to  
our own abilities

and perspective.


OK. There are many techniques, and being alive is not a bad beginning.





That we ourselves, not God, appear to be the perceiver is thus only  
apparent.


Unless we are God. OK? (just amnesic, incognito, sleepy, etc.)






Also, because Cosmic Mind sees the entire universe as viewed by a  
kaleidoscope of
individual monads, the perceptions it returns to us contains not  
only what
we see (the universe from our own individual perspectives) but what  
the
perceptions of all of the other monads. Thus each monad knows  
everything
in the universe, but only from its own perspective, and monads being  
monads,

not perfectly clear but distorted.


OK. That makes sense with computationalism,  God = Arithmetical-Truth,  
monads are the body/machines/local-representations/relative-numbers/ 
programs. The supreme monad = the universal number (or language, that  
Leibniz missed, but was very close). Then, with the Theaetetus' knower  
(Bp & p), what you say can make sense.


Keep in mind, Roger,  that with mechanism (thought = computations),  
even weak-materialism (the idea that that matter exists in some  
primitive way, or the idea that we have to assume matter) is  
inconsistent (with the usual Occam, without which "science" has  
basically no meaning to me).


God created the natural numbers, all the rest is a self-organizing  
multi-user video-dream, with many participants, not all being  
machines. There is a nice mathematics making this comparable with  
physics, so we can test that theology.


At first sight, it is completely crazy, but the question is:  is it as  
much crazy as the quantum reality?


Bruno






http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

2013-11-28 Thread Roger Clough
Perception and consciousness according to  Leibniz-

The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall 
or Cosmic Mind 

The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to 
think that there is a fleshly homunculus 

Leibniz has a more complicated understanding of particular minds and how they 
relate to Cosmic Mind. 

In Leibniz's metaphysics, there is only one mind (the Perceiver or Cosmic Mind 
or God) that 
perceives and acts, doing this through the Surpreme (most dominant) monad. 
It perceives the whole universe with perfect clarity. 

Only it can perceive and act, because its monads (which includes our minds) 
have no windows. 
The monads (our minds) perceive only indirectly, as the Supreme Monad is the 
only 
--what we would call-- "conscious" mind. We only think and perceive indirectly, 
as the Supreme Monad continually and instantly updates its universe of 
monads. Thus there is no problem communing with God (the Cosmic Mind) 
as we do so continually and necessarily, although only aqccording to our own 
abilities 
and perspective. 

That we ourselves, not God, appear to be the perceiver is thus only apparent. 

Also, because Cosmic Mind sees the entire universe as viewed by a kaleidoscope 
of 
individual monads, the perceptions it returns to us contains not only what 
we see (the universe from our own individual perspectives) but what the 
perceptions of all of the other monads. Thus each monad knows everything 
in the universe, but only from its own perspective, and monads being monads, 
not perfectly clear but distorted. 


Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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