Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 09:47 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: 2. Automatically assign an account to a mailing list. Since 3.12.x - Edit-Preferences-Composer Preferences-Send Account tab, the same can be done in Folder Properties (to assign a send account for certain folder). Thank you :), I will set it up this week. On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 09:54 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 08:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 1. The issue mentioned by this thread, the never ending requests to type the passwords. Do you have reasons to think this is related to POP support rather than a more general problem? The cause is an issue by the ISP servers, but the way Evolution's POP/SMTP implementation acts when the ISP's servers fail isn't good. Most, if not all other MUAs assume that the password is ok and don't ask for the password. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 12:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Do you have reasons to think this is related to POP support rather than a more general problem? The cause is an issue by the ISP servers, but the way Evolution's POP/SMTP implementation acts when the ISP's servers fail isn't good. But is this specific to POP? I.e. in the case of IMAP servers the policy is different? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 17:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I prefer to use Evolution with it's integrated POP/SMPT support and I hope the Evolution developers some day will seriously care about POP/SMPT and remove all the annoyances. Hi, it would be good to know what those are for you. I use POP3+SMTP here and I do not have any issues with my server. I even do not recall if I ever had any issue with it, or when the last time. I mean, some issues can be hard to reproduce, they can be related to certain server/connection/... and so on. If you've bug links in GNOME's bugzilla for the issues, then even better. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 08:05 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 17:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I prefer to use Evolution with it's integrated POP/SMPT support and I hope the Evolution developers some day will seriously care about POP/SMPT and remove all the annoyances. Hi, it would be good to know what those are for you. I use POP3+SMTP here and I do not have any issues with my server. I even do not recall if I ever had any issue with it, or when the last time. I mean, some issues can be hard to reproduce, they can be related to certain server/connection/... and so on. If you've bug links in GNOME's bugzilla for the issues, then even better. 1. The issue mentioned by this thread, the never ending requests to type the passwords. 2. Automatically assign an account to a mailing list. And a few others. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Although I am newbie in Linux, and only started a test account on my Evolution aapplication, I feel that I have to enter an Evolution password everyday (on top of the account login of my Linux system) or maybe even whenever I open the application during one Linux session. I still have to investigate a bit more. This I feel is a bit much concerning security. For me it would be fine, if my login PW for a Linux session would automatically be used by Evolution as authentication. A choice of the current procedure and the simplified procedure as described in the paragraph above would enable 2 security levels and every user could choose the one matching the personal or company requirements. As I am not an expert of neither Linux nor Evolution and the login password for the Linux session could be used to login into Evolution, I appreciate hints on how to do this. R On 2014-06-02 15:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 1. The issue mentioned by this thread, the never ending requests to type the passwords. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:04 +0900, rost52 wrote: I feel that I have to enter an Evolution password everyday (on top of the account login of my Linux system) or maybe even whenever I open the application during one Linux session. I still have to investigate a bit more. That likely is another thing. I suspect you need to type a password to launch the GNOME keyring. The issue I mentioned happens, if the server of your ISP is fishy and Evolution receives an error similar to wrong password or something doesn't work. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 08:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 1. The issue mentioned by this thread, the never ending requests to type the passwords. Hi, well, these errors usually happen when there is an issue in communication between evolution-source-registry process and the keyring, at least to me. There usually helps to kill all evolution processes (ps ax | grep evolution), with the calendar factory as the last, if you run gnome-shell. Of course, this issue is not always caused by that, it can be that the server returned something odd which the related evolution code evaluated as a wrong password. Run evolution from a console as: $ CAMEL_DEBUG=pop3 evolution which will show you what the POP3 account is doing (choosing Send/Receive-your POP3 account will limit the output for that particular account, in case you have multiple POP3 accounts configured). Another way to debug password issues is to run evolution-source-registry process from a terminal. It's quite chatty there. The trick with killing the previous instance with calendar factory as the last applies here as well, only run the source registry before you kill the calendar factory. 2. Automatically assign an account to a mailing list. Since 3.12.x - Edit-Preferences-Composer Preferences-Send Account tab, the same can be done in Folder Properties (to assign a send account for certain folder). Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Please don't top post on this list. On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:04 +0900, rost52 wrote: Although I am newbie in Linux, and only started a test account on my Evolution aapplication, I feel that I have to enter an Evolution password everyday (on top of the account login of my Linux system) or maybe even whenever I open the application during one Linux session. I still have to investigate a bit more. That's nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution stores its passwords in a keyring application (usually gnome-keyring) - that keyring needs to be unlocked before Evolution can get access to the passwords. It can be configured to be automatically unlocked when you login, or it can be configured to ask for an unlock password the first time an application needs access. Many things other than Evolution use the password keyring - web browsers, chat applications, other email apps and so on - so its configuration is NOT part of Evolution configuration. If Evolution can't get access to the passwords stored in the keyring, then it will ask for each password it needs once per session. This I feel is a bit much concerning security. For me it would be fine, if my login PW for a Linux session would automatically be used by Evolution as authentication. A choice of the current procedure and the simplified procedure as described in the paragraph above would enable 2 security levels and every user could choose the one matching the personal or company requirements. As I am not an expert of neither Linux nor Evolution and the login password for the Linux session could be used to login into Evolution, I appreciate hints on how to do this. All of these things are possible. The exact configuration depends on which keyring you are using on which distro. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 08:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 1. The issue mentioned by this thread, the never ending requests to type the passwords. Do you have reasons to think this is related to POP support rather than a more general problem? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:04 +0900, rost52 wrote: A choice of the current procedure and the simplified procedure as described in the paragraph above would enable 2 security levels and every user could choose the one matching the personal or company requirements. As I am not an expert of neither Linux nor Evolution and the login password for the Linux session could be used to login into Evolution, I appreciate hints on how to do this. [Please don't top-post here] This is the way Evo is supposed to work. If it isn't working for you then something is wrong either with Evo or with some other part of your system such as the Gnome keyring. However you don't say which version of Evo you have (see Help-About). In this case it might also be relevant to give information on your Gnome setup. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Pete, thanks for the detail explanation. I learned a lesson and will have a look into the keyring application. Also thanks to the others who pointed to the keyring function and the relationship to Evolution. Sorry for my misinterpretation of the password matter in the mails ROSt On 2014-06-02 17:29, Pete Biggs wrote: Please don't top post on this list. On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:04 +0900, rost52 wrote: Although I am newbie in Linux, and only started a test account on my Evolution aapplication, I feel that I have to enter an Evolution password everyday (on top of the account login of my Linux system) or maybe even whenever I open the application during one Linux session. I still have to investigate a bit more. That's nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution stores its passwords in a keyring application (usually gnome-keyring) - that keyring needs to be unlocked before Evolution can get access to the passwords. It can be configured to be automatically unlocked when you login, or it can be configured to ask for an unlock password the first time an application needs access. Many things other than Evolution use the password keyring - web browsers, chat applications, other email apps and so on - so its configuration is NOT part of Evolution configuration. If Evolution can't get access to the passwords stored in the keyring, then it will ask for each password it needs once per session. This I feel is a bit much concerning security. For me it would be fine, if my login PW for a Linux session would automatically be used by Evolution as authentication. A choice of the current procedure and the simplified procedure as described in the paragraph above would enable 2 security levels and every user could choose the one matching the personal or company requirements. As I am not an expert of neither Linux nor Evolution and the login password for the Linux session could be used to login into Evolution, I appreciate hints on how to do this. All of these things are possible. The exact configuration depends on which keyring you are using on which distro. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 23:18 -0400, Robert Seward wrote: I believe the best advice you have received on this list was from ref...@gmx.net to install: - getmail and/or offlineimap Assumed the OP wants to use IMAP. I prefer to use Evolution with it's integrated POP/SMPT support and I hope the Evolution developers some day will seriously care about POP/SMPT and remove all the annoyances. In worst cases I use an editor and sent mails with msmtp. It's possible to use msmtp with Evolution instead of Evolution's thingy, but I don't do that. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /usr/bin/sendmail lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Mar 18 05:22 /usr/bin/sendmail - msmtp [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtprc # Set default values for all following accounts. defaults tls_trust_file /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt logfile ~/.msmtp.log # Alice account spinymouse host out.alice-dsl.net from ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net user ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net auth plain tls on tls_starttls on password [snip] # Set a default account account default : spinymouse Writing a mails with an editor does look like this: To: evolution-list@gnome.org From: ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net Subject:Re: [Evolution] Many mails never reach the recipients - Evolution 3.10.4 In-Reply-To: 1392956909.682.141.camel@archlinux Currently I write mails with an editor and send mails, e.g. this one by $ cat .msmtp.mail/evolution.reply.1.mail | msmtp -a default evolution-list@gnome.org [snip] If I reply to a mailing list mail I received using Evolution, I take a look at the mail's header to copy the In-Reply-To line, but for other mails the header only needs To, From and Subject. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 23:18 -0400, Robert Seward wrote: By the way I have seen this ask for a password until infinity from Evolution on many occasions. Usually I see this on my Google mail servers, but it goes away after an hour or so. A known case of rate-limiting on the server side; that can probably be eliminated [almost entirely] by reducing your polling frequency or getting a paid account or changing to a better provider [fastmail.fm]. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:45 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Thank you, Pete Biggs. I appreciate your direction to the gizmo. Unfortunately I see it's for versions 13, and I'm running version 14.04 So it's thanks but no thanks until they update it. Jimmy Please don't top post here. Unity-tweak-tool is in the repositories for Ubuntu 14.04 (also for 14.10). Works fine and highly recommended. Install it with synaptic (which gives *much more* info than the silly software centre. I forget if synaptic comes pre-installed. If not, open a terminal and say sudo apt-get install synaptic, run synaptic from the dash and you're all set. Here's what dpkg says about u-t-t on my 14.10 system: pongo@epicurus:~$ sudo dpkg-query -s unity-tweak-tool Package: unity-tweak-tool Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: gnome Installed-Size: 2550 Maintainer: Barneedhar Vigneshwar barneed...@ubuntu.com Architecture: all Version: 0.0.6ubuntu2 Depends: python3:any (= 3.3.2-2~), python3, gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, unity (= 6.8), python3-xdg, python3-cairo, dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend Description: configuration tool for the Unity desktop environment Unity Tweak Tool is a settings manager for the Unity desktop. It provides users with a fast, simple and easy-to-use interface with which to access many useful and little known features and settings of the desktop environment that one may want to configure. Homepage: https://github.com/freyja-dev/unity-tweak-tool Have you tried Thunderbird with Ubuntu? That's what they now recommend using as an MUA and it is surely already installed. You could at least find out if your problems are related to evolution or your ISP or whatever else. -- N. B. Day 39.4042 North, 119.7377 East and 1389 meters up, Temp: 17.2 C Fri, 30 May 2014 09:53:54 -0700 Epicurus up 17 min, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.13, 0.26 Linux 3.15.0-4-generic, evolution 3.10.4 Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch), gnome-session 3.9.90, unity 7.2.0 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On 05/30/2014 12:01 PM, N B Day wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:45 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Thank you, Pete Biggs. I appreciate your direction to the gizmo. Unfortunately I see it's for versions 13, and I'm running version 14.04 So it's thanks but no thanks until they update it. Jimmy Please don't top post here. Unity-tweak-tool is in the repositories for Ubuntu 14.04 (also for 14.10). Works fine and highly recommended. Install it with synaptic (which gives *much more* info than the silly software centre. I forget if synaptic comes pre-installed. If not, open a terminal and say sudo apt-get install synaptic, run synaptic from the dash and you're all set. Here's what dpkg says about u-t-t on my 14.10 system: pongo@epicurus:~$ sudo dpkg-query -s unity-tweak-tool Package: unity-tweak-tool Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: gnome Installed-Size: 2550 Maintainer: Barneedhar Vigneshwar barneed...@ubuntu.com Architecture: all Version: 0.0.6ubuntu2 Depends: python3:any (= 3.3.2-2~), python3, gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, unity (= 6.8), python3-xdg, python3-cairo, dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend Description: configuration tool for the Unity desktop environment Unity Tweak Tool is a settings manager for the Unity desktop. It provides users with a fast, simple and easy-to-use interface with which to access many useful and little known features and settings of the desktop environment that one may want to configure. Homepage: https://github.com/freyja-dev/unity-tweak-tool Have you tried Thunderbird with Ubuntu? That's what they now recommend using as an MUA and it is surely already installed. You could at least find out if your problems are related to evolution or your ISP or whatever else. OK, folks. I got it. No more top posting. I see why you like it that way and will not do it any more. Jimmy ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On 05/30/2014 04:34 PM, Jimmy Montague wrote: OK, folks. I got it. No more top posting. I see why you like it that way and will not do it any more. But what you just did there isn't right either. Quote only what is needed for your response to make sense. It should have looked like this: On 05/30/2014 12:01 PM, N B Day wrote: Please don't top post here. OK, folks. I got it. No more top posting. I see why you like it that way and will not do it any more. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
I got rid of my old Ubuntu box. I dug into my closet -- excuse me, my computer lab -- and came out with a little Gateway Windoze 8 machine that I bought new and never used because I found that Windoze 8 gives me herpes. Anyway, I tore the thing apart, formatted the hard drive, reset the bios, put it all back together and loaded in Mageia Linux 4. I used the Gnome interface, as was suggested here yesterday. Certain I was now chopping tall cotton, I booted Evolution and set up an email account. That's when I found out that the problem was worse than before. Evolution can lose passwords faster than I can type them in. I fought with it for about two hours. Then I got pissed off, deleted Evolution and Mageia 4, reinstalled Ubuntu Linux and Thunderbird, and the problem went away (I thought). That was 8 hours ago. I just now booted the machine and tried to check my email, but Thunderbird had lost -- not just the password, but the account itself. I had to create another one just like the other one so I could come over here and cry on you guys again. Have I maybe got a virus of some kind on my home network? I don't think so because my landlady has a Windoze 7 machine in her bedroom, on this same network, and she doesn't have any problems. My own Windoze 7 machine -- right here beside me -- doesn't have any problem. Has anybody ever seen a mess like this in the history of the world? If you have, please let me know. FWIW, I'm typing this message now on my Gateway/Ubuntu/Thunderbird machine after I recreated the account that it lost during my 8-hour absence from the keyboard. Thanks for any advice, observations, etc. I've never had anything like this happen to me before -- and I been a Windoze guy since 1989, when I was a DOS/Windoze guy, and had my share of problems with Microsoft over the years. Now maybe some are going to think or say that I'm full of POOPOO and these things aren't really happening. I'm only here because I'm a Windoze troll raising hell with the Linux people. But it ain't so. I'm here because I'm REALLY STUMPED. Jimmy On 05/28/2014 05:34 PM, Zan Lynx wrote: On 05/28/2014 06:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 13:07 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: Now, I do not expect that Evolution solves this particular problem. The asking for a password again and again issue is only caused by Evolution, other MUAs don't ask again and again. Sure, a server might claim, the password or something else fails, so the issue isn't caused by Evolution, anyway, other MUAs care that the user has got much comfort. This PITA is a PITA caused by Evolution! It's possible to handle this issue much smarter, as quasi all other MUAs I know do. Yes. I suspect Evolution is doing something like: - Socket connect success - Start authentication - Authentication fails for any reason including a network error - Report authentication error - Oh no, password must be wrong! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Is gnome-keyring-daemon running? [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ps aux | grep gnome-keyring | grep -v grep rocketm+ 739 0.0 0.1 431284 4768 ?SLl May28 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --foreground --components=secrets When the Evolution window pops up asking you for the password, take care that you check the box Add this password to your keyring, to remember the password you typed. PS: Too funny, I was asked for the password when I wanted to send this email. I canceled sending the email. To be able to send it after that, I needed to run killall evolution , since evolution --force-shutdown didn't exit evolution. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 04:42 -0500, somebody off-list wrote about troubleshooting with nearly 50 pounds of schematics, an oscilloscope and a multimeter for some gear in the past :). On 05/29/2014 04:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: To be able to send it after that, I needed to run killall evolution , since evolution --force-shutdown didn't exit evolution. At least here I made a typo. I didn't run evolution --force-shutdown I typed and run evolution force-shutdown. Modern soft- and hardware is more complicated than oldish soft- and hardware, but the quality not always is better, however, users sometimes made and still make mistakes too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Why do you write Evolution is dying? I opened it today for the first time and was incredibly happy with what I see. It is a great replacement for Outlook when you go Linux. I am renagading from MS Windows due to the end of the XP support. All, I saw so far in Linux looks great. Evolution as a replacement for Outlook was a successfully reached milestone. Synching with snycEolution is the last milestone to move fully over to LInux. Thus I am very interested in your argument why Evolution is dying. Regards 51ROSt On 2014-05-29 19:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 04:42 -0500, somebody off-list wrote about troubleshooting with nearly 50 pounds of schematics, an oscilloscope and a multimeter for some gear in the past :). On 05/29/2014 04:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: To be able to send it after that, I needed to run killall evolution , since evolution --force-shutdown didn't exit evolution. At least here I made a typo. I didn't run evolution --force-shutdown I typed and run evolution force-shutdown. Modern soft- and hardware is more complicated than oldish soft- and hardware, but the quality not always is better, however, users sometimes made and still make mistakes too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 10:12 +0900, rost52 wrote: Why do you write Evolution is dying? It is an odd choice of a Subject and does not very well describe the problem being discussed - but that is in a long Internet tradition of vague and inflammatory e-mail subject lines. Evolution, or some component it uses in the GNOME stack, clearly *does* have some issues reacting elegantly with flaky servers and/or flaky networks. Personally I've only encountered it when my network or server was broken [as a sys-admin I'm usually the one who broke it]. It would be good if Evolution was a bit more graceful in how it dealt with these issues - and that poorish handling seems to be exacerbated by something certain LINUX distributions do to the software. I opened it today for the first time and was incredibly happy with what I see. It is a great replacement for Outlook when you go Linux. Agree, 110%. I am renagading from MS Windows due to the end of the XP support. All, I saw so far in Linux looks great. Evolution as a replacement for Outlook was a successfully reached milestone. Agree. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 03:21 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Certain I was now chopping tall cotton, I booted Evolution and set up an email account. That's when I found out that the problem was worse than before. Evolution can lose passwords faster than I can type them in. The only way we can help with that is if you engage in some actual debugging - which is a *very* different practice than trial-and-error. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging Trial-and-error is a *bad* way to solve problems. Slow down and gather data. You also have yet to say the version of Evolution (see Help-About) [do *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* say the version of your *distribution*, that is *not* an answer to the question], what type of mail account, or using what provider. If the problem is this persistent it should be rather obvious what the problem is. I just don't see this password-fail issue, so I can't offer any specific up-front suggestions. Have I maybe got a virus of some kind on my home network? No. Viruses that actually do anything like this exist only in people's imagination; stop thinking a-virus-did-it. It is far far far more likely that your install is broken in some way, the network is just broken in some way, or your ISP is broken, or the mail server you are using is broken. There are many ways for any of these things to be broken and exhibit aberrant behavior [and possibly they only *test* them when a web browser and outlook, and then call it a day - building any aberrations inherent in those application into the network, then by their definition every else is broken.] Has anybody ever seen a mess like this in the history of the world? If you have, please let me know. FWIW, I'm typing this message now on my Gateway/Ubuntu/Thunderbird machine after I recreated the account that it lost during my 8-hour absence from the keyboard. Thanks for any advice, observations, etc. I've never had anything like this happen to me before I've never had this happen to me in 20+ years of using LINUX as my primary platform [although, to be fair neither Evolution or Thunderbird existed then]. I cannot even recall ever loosing data due to Evolution... and that is since the 1.4.x days. Now maybe some are going to think or say that I'm full of POOPOO and these things aren't really happening. I'm only here because I'm a Windoze troll raising hell with the Linux people. But it ain't so. I'm here because I'm REALLY STUMPED. I have very little experience with Thunderbird - but I'd consider a disappearing account to be a major issue. Maybe it never got saved in the first place. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On 2014-05-29 19:49, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 10:12 +0900, rost52 wrote: Why do you write Evolution is dying? It is an odd choice of a Subject and does not very well describe the problem being discussed - but that is in a long Internet tradition of vague and inflammatory e-mail subject lines. Evolution, or some component it uses in the GNOME stack, clearly *does* have some issues reacting elegantly with flaky servers and/or flaky networks. Personally I've only encountered it when my network or server was broken [as a sys-admin I'm usually the one who broke it]. It would be good if Evolution was a bit more graceful in how it dealt with these issues - and that poorish handling seems to be exacerbated by something certain LINUX distributions do to the software. Thanks for clarification!!! As for SW, do you know any kind of office related without a bug??? I don'! I opened it today for the first time and was incredibly happy with what I see. It is a great replacement for Outlook when you go Linux. Agree, 110%. This makes me even feeling better because you have experience and am a newbie. I am renagading from MS Windows due to the end of the XP support. All, I saw so far in Linux looks great. Evolution as a replacement for Outlook was a successfully reached milestone. Agree. dito ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Actually, Adam, I've got Evolution open in front of me now and there IS no HelpAbout that I can locate. Got a hint? If you do, lay it on me. Of course, I'm back on a Ubuntu system because Evolution didn't work on Mageia 4, either. Component substitution is a legitimate, time-tested way to isolate hardware problems. Bench technicians all do it occasionally. Call it quick and dirty if you like, but it works. The fact is: if you can swap a component without changing symptoms, then you swapped the wrong component. If you swap every component on the motherboard without producing a change in symptoms, then your problem is either a) bad powersupply or b) bad motherboard or c) bad OS or d) bad software. On my old machine I swapped out everything, including the hdd, the power supply, and the motherboard and the OS-es. Of course the components you use to test the machine must all be known good, but I have no dearth of parts around here. And of course you have to disconnect from the network (if one is present) to check a machine in that way. In this case, I swapped out everything including 3 OS-es (Ubuntu, Mageia, and Open Suse) I know my Internet access (HughesNet satellite broadband) is OK insofar as Web browsers in every OS I've tried work fine. Alternative mail clients work fine (You were right about T-bird. I must have forgotten to save. But you must understand that I'm going crazy trying to work this out.) Windoze 7 works fine on all accounts with two different mailers. I have your personal assurance that there's no virus at work here at my home. So what's left? The mail server itself, I suppose. How do I test that? I dunno. I have several accounts, widely scattered. I use servers @ yahoo, @ googlemail, @ hotmail, @ outlook, @ hughesnet, and finally at my own Web space (which I rent from BlueHost, @ deksolomon.net. T-bird works on every server EXCEPT @ deksolomon.net -- and that's the one server I really want Evolution to work with. FWIW: Evolution doesn't work @ hughesnet, either. I haven't tried it on the others. FWIW: My Windoze 7 box uses a wonderful little mail client I stumbled across a few weeks ago. It's called PostBox. It's very small, it's very fast, and it's VERY smart. It's better than T-bird in several different ways. It looks like it was inspired by Outlook Express -- but with many more capabilities and without the MS bugs. It's not free, though. I had to pay $9.95 for it, so my banker will probably never forgive me. But if they ever port PostBox for Linux, I'll be first in line with another $9.95. But after wracking my brains for 4 long days here at home, I'm tired of it all. I don't blame you if you're sorry you ever heard of me. So let's all of us find something else to do -- unless you think you can help? Jimmy On 05/29/2014 06:02 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 03:21 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Certain I was now chopping tall cotton, I booted Evolution and set up an email account. That's when I found out that the problem was worse than before. Evolution can lose passwords faster than I can type them in. The only way we can help with that is if you engage in some actual debugging - which is a *very* different practice than trial-and-error. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging Trial-and-error is a *bad* way to solve problems. Slow down and gather data. You also have yet to say the version of Evolution (see Help-About) [do *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* say the version of your *distribution*, that is *not* an answer to the question], what type of mail account, or using what provider. If the problem is this persistent it should be rather obvious what the problem is. I just don't see this password-fail issue, so I can't offer any specific up-front suggestions. Have I maybe got a virus of some kind on my home network? No. Viruses that actually do anything like this exist only in people's imagination; stop thinking a-virus-did-it. It is far far far more likely that your install is broken in some way, the network is just broken in some way, or your ISP is broken, or the mail server you are using is broken. There are many ways for any of these things to be broken and exhibit aberrant behavior [and possibly they only *test* them when a web browser and outlook, and then call it a day - building any aberrations inherent in those application into the network, then by their definition every else is broken.] Has anybody ever seen a mess like this in the history of the world? If you have, please let me know. FWIW, I'm typing this message now on my Gateway/Ubuntu/Thunderbird machine after I recreated the account that it lost during my 8-hour absence from the keyboard. Thanks for any advice, observations, etc. I've never had anything like this happen to me before I've never had this happen to me in 20+ years of using LINUX as my primary platform [although, to be fair neither Evolution or Thunderbird existed then]. I
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 12:32 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: I've got Evolution open in front of me now and there IS no HelpAbout that I can locate. Got a hint? If you do, lay it on me. Of course, I'm back on a Ubuntu system Version info could be helpful. Either Ubuntu replaced the string by something else, or the main application menu is hidden. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:30 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 12:32 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: I've got Evolution open in front of me now and there IS no HelpAbout that I can locate. Got a hint? If you do, lay it on me. Of course, I'm back on a Ubuntu system Version info could be helpful. Either Ubuntu replaced the string by something else, or the main application menu is hidden. Probably the later, Ubuntu likes to hack Gtk to force weird behavior. Perhaps maybe the Help/About is available in the App menu in the GNOME top-bar when Evolution is selected. Beats me, I don't now [this is just another thing Ubuntu breaks]. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 16:10 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:30 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 12:32 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: I've got Evolution open in front of me now and there IS no HelpAbout that I can locate. Got a hint? If you do, lay it on me. Of course, I'm back on a Ubuntu system Version info could be helpful. Either Ubuntu replaced the string by something else, or the main application menu is hidden. Probably the later, Ubuntu likes to hack Gtk to force weird behavior. Perhaps maybe the Help/About is available in the App menu in the GNOME top-bar when Evolution is selected. Exactly. In the Mac-like global menu, which IMHO is a terrible design error but easily rectified with the unity-tweak-tool to give normal application menus (in versions 14.04 and later). The OP should indeed look in the top bar. Beats me, I don't now [this is just another thing Ubuntu breaks]. Copying Apple *always* breaks stuff. Convergence is interesting though. Eagerly awaiting an Ubuntu tablet here so I can get a *real* MUA on an easy-to-carry platform with an interface I already know and (more or less) love. -- N. B. Day 39.4046 North, 119.7370 West and 1343 meters up, Temp: 21.1 C Thu, 29 May 2014 14:10:01 -0700 Epicurus up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.15, 0.23 Linux 3.15.0-4-generic, evolution 3.10.4 Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch), gnome-session 3.9.90, unity 7.2.0 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Now you've made my ears stick up! What's this about a 'unity-tweak-tool'? On 05/29/2014 04:11 PM, N B Day wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 16:10 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:30 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 12:32 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: I've got Evolution open in front of me now and there IS no HelpAbout that I can locate. Got a hint? If you do, lay it on me. Of course, I'm back on a Ubuntu system Version info could be helpful. Either Ubuntu replaced the string by something else, or the main application menu is hidden. Probably the later, Ubuntu likes to hack Gtk to force weird behavior. Perhaps maybe the Help/About is available in the App menu in the GNOME top-bar when Evolution is selected. Exactly. In the Mac-like global menu, which IMHO is a terrible design error but easily rectified with the unity-tweak-tool to give normal application menus (in versions 14.04 and later). The OP should indeed look in the top bar. Beats me, I don't now [this is just another thing Ubuntu breaks]. Copying Apple *always* breaks stuff. Convergence is interesting though. Eagerly awaiting an Ubuntu tablet here so I can get a *real* MUA on an easy-to-carry platform with an interface I already know and (more or less) love. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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Now you've made my ears stick up! What's this about a 'unity-tweak-tool'? http://bit.ly/RHQPE0 P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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Thank you, Pete Biggs. I appreciate your direction to the gizmo. Unfortunately I see it's for versions 13, and I'm running version 14.04 So it's thanks but no thanks until they update it. Jimmy On 05/29/2014 07:31 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: Now you've made my ears stick up! What's this about a 'unity-tweak-tool'? http://bit.ly/RHQPE0 P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Hi Jimmy, Please see my comments inline per mail group netiquette. On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 20:45 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Thank you, Pete Biggs. I appreciate your direction to the gizmo. Unfortunately I see it's for versions 13, and I'm running version 14.04 So it's thanks but no thanks until they update it. I believe the best advice you have received on this list was from ref...@gmx.net to install: - getmail and/or offlineimap I have used fetchmail in the past with Evolution. This is easier than it sounds. You create a config file for fetchmail, getmail or offlinemap with one or more accounts you wish to fetch from. These programs pull the mail down to a local mail spool file. In most cases Evolution will find this local mail file easily and you should have access to your mail. You may need to write a simple script to put in your local cron settings. This will fetch the mail on a periodic basis. Or you can do as I did and run it when you want to check your e-mail. All this may sound harder than it is. Feel free to contact me, if you would like to give this a quick shot. You can probably find more directed advise on an Ubuntu mailing list. By the way I have seen this ask for a password until infinity from Evolution on many occasions. Usually I see this on my Google mail servers, but it goes away after an hour or so. Best of luck. Rob - Jimmy On 05/29/2014 07:31 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: Now you've made my ears stick up! What's this about a 'unity-tweak-tool'? http://bit.ly/RHQPE0 P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Rob Seward Bluestone Consulting Group, LLC web: http://www.bluestone-consulting.com/ e-mail: rsew...@bluestone-consulting.com office: 734.726.0313 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Thanks Bart, Von: Bart montana_evolution_u...@hardinmt.us I've been on this list for several years now. The observation I've made is that running evolution on ubuntu is problematic. I seems like that's the distro that has the greatest of quirks. Now, I can't believe that everyone using ubuntu is somehow less intelligent or computer savy than the rest of us, but Ubuntu users are often people who transfer from Windows and have little or no problem solving skills as far as Linux is concerned. Not more stupid, but less savvy, yes. And telling them to change distro instead of helping them to figure things out is just about the best way of spreading the problem - clueless users - and does nothing for improving the OP's problem solving skills. Using evolution on Fedora seems to be fine. Using evolution on openSUSE seems to be fine. Using evolution on Arch seems to be fine although Arch is not for the novice. You want to use Debian, use Debian, not a fork that includes spyware (see Richard Stallman on ubuntu) You might not like Ubuntu, but the problem asked assistance for was a specific problem which might or might not have anything to do with the distro or indeed the computer. The user now thinks it was a hardware problem. If that is correct, telling him to shift distro was a totally unwarranted piece of of advice. And if it was not correct, then, until proven otherwise (logs!) it is still more likely a networking fault than anything else. What's not good is top posting and using HTML on a tech list! Evolution list is a user list, not a developers's list. I was posting from my phone which does not do easily bottom posting. I am sorry if I upset your sensitivities. Peter ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 03:21 +0100, ref...@gmx.net wrote: These kind of response is pretty crap. Q. I use program A on distro B and have problem X. A. Throw your setup into the bin, everyone knows that distro B is useless. The answer is not only unhelpful as it does not suggest any alternatives nor gives actual reason or evidence to support such drastic action, but it is also manifestly wrong in this particular situation. Evidence? I've been on this list for a decade. The issues with Ubuntu for the last couple of years are pretty clear. What is technically broken there? How should I know?! I don't use it. I use openSUSE all day every day - I do not see these issues. OP, I have a problem like yours dt a very flaky mail server (Microsoft provided) which occasionally and without good reason locks me out with an erroneous message that my password is wrong. Evo will then start asking for passwords. Which seems entirely reasonable - if the server said the password is wrong. I'm curious if this is for IMAP/IMAPX/POP3? Does it matter if you change the check-for-new mail interval? Perhaps there is actually a rate-limit issue. I found the solution to be to cut Evo out of the mail collecting business. I use getmail and offlineimap instead for the mail collection and use Evo simply as a GUI for mail writing, reading and administering. Both mentioned programme will simply error out when the remote mail server flakes, Of course, offlineimap has no means of prompting you for a password; this is apples oranges. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Von: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org An: evolution-list@gnome.org Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 03:21 +0100, ref...@gmx.net wrote: These kind of response is pretty crap. Q. I use program A on distro B and have problem X. A. Throw your setup into the bin, everyone knows that distro B is useless. The answer is not only unhelpful as it does not suggest any alternatives nor gives actual reason or evidence to support such drastic action, but it is also manifestly wrong in this particular situation. Evidence? I've been on this list for a decade. The issues with Ubuntu for the last couple of years are pretty clear. What is technically broken there? How should I know?! I don't use it. I use openSUSE all day every day - I do not see these issues. Then the appropriate response is either to say nothing or ask for the things you do known, which are distro independent. OP, I have a problem like yours dt a very flaky mail server (Microsoft provided) which occasionally and without good reason locks me out with an erroneous message that my password is wrong. Evo will then start asking for passwords. Which seems entirely reasonable - if the server said the password is wrong. Yes, it is reasonable from Evo, but once you do know that it is not reasonable in this particular situation - flaky, stupid mail server - then a different solution needs to be found. It woudl be unreasonable to expect Evo to fix this. situation I'm curious if this is for IMAP/IMAPX/POP3? Does it matter if you change the check-for-new mail interval? Perhaps there is actually a rate-limit issue. I found the solution to be to cut Evo out of the mail collecting business. I use getmail and offlineimap instead for the mail collection and use Evo simply as a GUI for mail writing, reading and administering. Both mentioned programme will simply error out when the remote mail server flakes, Of course, offlineimap has no means of prompting you for a password; this is apples oranges. Exactly. They do not ask, they record an error if you log them and the next time the sever has unflaked itself they will work just fine again. Which is what you want, if you know you have not changed your password. Now, I do not expect that Evolution solves this particular problem. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 11:23 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: You might not like Ubuntu, but the problem asked assistance for was a specific problem which might or might not have anything to do with the distro or indeed the computer. The user now thinks it was a hardware problem. If that is correct, Tomorrow I'm gonna shop for a kit and build a new machine. That should fix the problem. It is not a correct diagnosis. Password prompting from Evolution due to a HDD controller issue? I only believe that only if there were also many other issues at the same time; the password prompt issue is well known, gets mentioned here almost regularly, and is at least related to several bug reports. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 um 12:41 Uhr Von: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org The user now thinks it was a hardware problem. If that is correct, Tomorrow I'm gonna shop for a kit and build a new machine. That should fix the problem. It is not a correct diagnosis. I would agree. Just as disruptive (but more expensive) as wiping the OS and installing something else. I would run an imap or pop session with extensive logging and see what is actually happening Preferentially from commandline. Peter ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 13:07 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: Now, I do not expect that Evolution solves this particular problem. The asking for a password again and again issue is only caused by Evolution, other MUAs don't ask again and again. Sure, a server might claim, the password or something else fails, so the issue isn't caused by Evolution, anyway, other MUAs care that the user has got much comfort. This PITA is a PITA caused by Evolution! It's possible to handle this issue much smarter, as quasi all other MUAs I know do. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 14:02 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 um 12:41 Uhr Von: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org The user now thinks it was a hardware problem. If that is correct, Tomorrow I'm gonna shop for a kit and build a new machine. That should fix the problem. It is not a correct diagnosis. I would agree. Just as disruptive (but more expensive) as wiping the OS and installing something else. Even more so - that solution costs $$$. I would run an imap or pop session with extensive logging and see what is actually happening Ditto https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging Preferentially from commandline. But if it really is the mail server saying wrong password there is no solution - other than to reduce your polling interval [nobody ever seems willing to try this] or get the server fixed [outside the scope of the end-user]. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 um 13:16 Uhr Von: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com An: evolution-list@gnome.org Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 13:07 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: Now, I do not expect that Evolution solves this particular problem. The asking for a password again and again issue is only caused by Evolution, other MUAs don't ask again and again. Sure, a server might claim, the password or something else fails, so the issue isn't caused by Evolution, anyway, other MUAs care that the user has got much comfort. This PITA is a PITA caused by Evolution! It's possible to handle this issue much smarter, as quasi all other MUAs I know do. Well, you got a point. I probably agree on reconsideration. Peter ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On 05/28/2014 06:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 13:07 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: Now, I do not expect that Evolution solves this particular problem. The asking for a password again and again issue is only caused by Evolution, other MUAs don't ask again and again. Sure, a server might claim, the password or something else fails, so the issue isn't caused by Evolution, anyway, other MUAs care that the user has got much comfort. This PITA is a PITA caused by Evolution! It's possible to handle this issue much smarter, as quasi all other MUAs I know do. Yes. I suspect Evolution is doing something like: - Socket connect success - Start authentication - Authentication fails for any reason including a network error - Report authentication error - Oh no, password must be wrong! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution is dying
Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Thanks for any help you can give. Jimmy ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 14:47 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Short answer or long? Short answer: Use a stable distribution. GNOME is broken on Ubuntu, they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly. Long answer: you are probably having under-the-covers NetworkManager and GNOME key-ring issues. See the short answer. But check your diagnostic longs and see if there are any related errors. It might be that will tell you something useful. I use Evolution 7 days a week all day - I do not see these kinds of issues. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
I'm a newbie. I wouldn't know a diagnostic log from a rubber stamp, so I can't go there. But from what you wrote, I infer that a distro such as Mageia would be receptive to Evolution. Mageia offers a choice of interfaces. I can go with K or with Gnome. If I go with Gnome, then Evo ought to work just fine -- true or false? And by the bye -- how can I find the EVO diagnostic log? What's it called and where does it hide? Yer doin' great. Thanks! On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 16:06 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 14:47 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Short answer or long? Short answer: Use a stable distribution. GNOME is broken on Ubuntu, they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly. Long answer: you are probably having under-the-covers NetworkManager and GNOME key-ring issues. See the short answer. But check your diagnostic longs and see if there are any related errors. It might be that will tell you something useful. I use Evolution 7 days a week all day - I do not see these kinds of issues. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 14:47 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. The list is distro-neutral so that's not a problem as such. Do remember to cite your Evo version when asking questions (Help-About). poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 15:34 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: I'm a newbie. On this mailing list top posting is frowned on ... I wouldn't know a diagnostic log from a rubber stamp, so I can't go there. But from what you wrote, I infer that a distro such as Mageia would be receptive to Evolution. Mageia offers a choice of interfaces. I can go with K or with Gnome. If I go with Gnome, then Evo ought to work just fine -- true or false? It shouldn't matter what desktop you use - Evolution works fine with both Gnome and KDE. Evolution is a Gnome application in that it uses Gnome libraries, but that doesn't mean it breaks on KDE (or XFCE or whatever), just that it doesn't integrate as fully as native KDE applications do. As for which distro to use - everyone will have their opinions. Personally I use Fedora - sometimes things break, but they are rare these days and Evolution works fine on it. Others will come along and tell you what a crap distro Fedora is or you don't want to go anywhere near a RedHat product - but that Arch or Mint or Debian or Gentoo or whatever is the only sensible way. And by the bye -- how can I find the EVO diagnostic log? What's it called and where does it hide? You have to turn debugging on for Evolution. Have a look at https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 16:06 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 14:47 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Short answer or long? Short answer: Use a stable distribution. GNOME is broken on Ubuntu, they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly. I got a little curious when I read this. I am using Ubuntu GNOME and do not have any problems with GNOME other than that the latest GNOME updates (of GNOME) take a little while to be made available. I have had more trouble with GNOME on Arch, but I assume that's not what you mean when you use the term stable distribution either? Are you talking Debian stable, or would Fedora qualify in this regard? Long answer: you are probably having under-the-covers NetworkManager and GNOME key-ring issues. See the short answer. But check your diagnostic longs and see if there are any related errors. It might be that will tell you something useful. I use Evolution 7 days a week all day - I do not see these kinds of issues. -- //Christian ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
These kind of response is pretty crap. Q. I use program A on distro B and have problem X. A. Throw your setup into the bin, everyone knows that distro B is useless. The answer is not only unhelpful as it does not suggest any alternatives nor gives actual reason or evidence to support such drastic action, but it is also manifestly wrong in this particular situation. OP, I have a problem like yours dt a very flaky mail server (Microsoft provided) which occasionally and without good reason locks me out with an erroneous message that my password is wrong. Evo will then start asking for passwords. I found the solution to be to cut Evo out of the mail collecting business. I use getmail and offlineimap instead for the mail collection and use Evo simply as a GUI for mail writing, reading and administering. Both mentioned programme will simply error out when the remote mail server flakes, but not go into a tail spin re wrong passwords like Evo. To check if your problem is similar to mine you would indeed need some log reading.or you could simply try it out. Less disruptive than changing a distro for spurious reasons Peter - Reply message - From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: [Evolution] Evolution is dying Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 21:06 On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 14:47 -0500, Jimmy Montague wrote: Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Short answer or long? Short answer: Use a stable distribution. GNOME is broken on Ubuntu, they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly. Long answer: you are probably having under-the-covers NetworkManager and GNOME key-ring issues. See the short answer. But check your diagnostic longs and see if there are any related errors. It might be that will tell you something useful. I use Evolution 7 days a week all day - I do not see these kinds of issues. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 03:21 +0100, ref...@gmx.net wrote: These kind of response is pretty crap. Q. I use program A on distro B and have problem X. A. Throw your setup into the bin, everyone knows that distro B is useless. The answer is not only unhelpful as it does not suggest any alternatives nor gives actual reason or evidence to support such drastic action, but it is also manifestly wrong in this particular situation. OP, I have a problem like yours dt a very flaky mail server (Microsoft provided) which occasionally and without good reason locks me out with an erroneous message that my password is wrong. Evo will then start asking for passwords. I found the solution to be to cut Evo out of the mail collecting business. I use getmail and offlineimap instead for the mail collection and use Evo simply as a GUI for mail writing, reading and administering. Both mentioned programme will simply error out when the remote mail server flakes, but not go into a tail spin re wrong passwords like Evo. To check if your problem is similar to mine you would indeed need some log reading.or you could simply try it out. Less disruptive than changing a distro for spurious reasons Peter snip With apologies to the regulars on this list... I've been on this list for several years now. The observation I've made is that running evolution on ubuntu is problematic. I seems like that's the distro that has the greatest of quirks. Now, I can't believe that everyone using ubuntu is somehow less intelligent or computer savy than the rest of us, but Using evolution on Fedora seems to be fine. Using evolution on openSUSE seems to be fine. Using evolution on Arch seems to be fine although Arch is not for the novice. You want to use Debian, use Debian, not a fork that includes spyware (see Richard Stallman on ubuntu) So, I'm sorry, I don't think his response was pretty crap (your words). What's not good is top posting and using HTML on a tech list! Bart ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution is dying
Hi Gang! Thanks for stepping up to the plate. Good news is I fixed the problem. I used my old Marine Corps troubleshoot training. I systematically swapped out components one at a time. By and bye I arrived at the conclusion that the hdd controller on my mobo is trash. I believe I can fix the whole problem with a new mobo, but I expect my the contents of my hdd is now dog food. Oh well. It's a new installation on an old machine. There wasn't yet much on the hdd, so no harm done. I'm writing to you now on my (AHEM!) Windoze 7 box. Tomorrow I'm gonna shop for a kit and build a new machine. That should fix the problem. Thanx again for your help. The bad news is I'll probably be back. Jimmy Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:06 PM Short answer or long? Short answer: Use a stable distribution. GNOME is broken on Ubuntu, they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly. Long answer: you are probably having under-the-covers NetworkManager and GNOME key-ring issues. See the short answer. But check your diagnostic longs and see if there are any related errors. It might be that will tell you something useful. I use Evolution 7 days a week all day - I do not see these kinds of issues. Jimmy Montague mailto:rhetoric...@hughes.net Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:47 PM Hi all. Maybe I'm in the wrong place because my machine runs Ubuntu. But I did install evolution as my default mailer, and I gotta say I fell in love with it right away. Now, a week later, I booted evolution this morning and found that it doesn't remember any of my email passwords. I remembered them fine just yesterday but not this morning. I had to enter a dozen passwords into evolution one at a time, as it demanded them from me. I didn't mind that so much but, when it checked my mail again, an hour later, it wanted all the passwords AGAIN. I can't live like that. What can I do to fix it? Thanks for any help you can give. Jimmy ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
