Re: [Evolution] How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

[Pete Biggs]

Please don't reply to me, please reply only to the list.

On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 11:37 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 19:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Evolution (or the others) don't actually do it themselves. They
> > > > use
> > > > xdg-open which opens whatever in the users preferred
> > > > application.
> > > > So
> > > > something like 
> > > > 
> > > >   xdg-open http://www.gnome.org
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the explanation. That works from my command line, but
> > > doesn't work in kalarm.
> > > 
> > If it works from the command line, then it really should work
> > anywhere.
> > Is the command in kalarm executed as your own username?
> 
> According to "ps -ef | grep xdg" it is. There are several "xdg"
> programs running:
> 
> /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal
> /usr/libexec/xdg-document-portal
> /usr/libexec/xdg-permission-store
> /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
> /usr/bin/xdg-dbus-proxy
> 
> There are also instances of the last one being run by /usr/bin/bwrap
> 
> The parent process of the instance of firefox started by kalarm is
> systemd.
> 

OK, but I asked if the process that is started by kalarm is owned by
you.  

But if kalarm uses the systemd timers, then it won't be executed as
part of your desktop environment so it probably can't know that you
already have an instance of firefox running. 

P.

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Re: [Evolution] How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

[Pete Biggs]

> > > 
> > 
> > Evolution (or the others) don't actually do it themselves. They use
> > xdg-open which opens whatever in the users preferred application.
> > So
> > something like 
> > 
> >   xdg-open http://www.gnome.org
> > 
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the explanation. That works from my command line, but
> doesn't work in kalarm.
> 
If it works from the command line, then it really should work anywhere.
Is the command in kalarm executed as your own username?

P.

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Re: [Evolution] How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 12:57 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 18:42 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?
> > 
> > I can't do it from the command line. Online discussion says to use
> > the "--new-tab" command-line option, but firefox always puts up a
> > window saying it's already running, and inviting me to create a new
> > profile.
> > 
> > I have other applications for which Id like to open a new tab (or
> > new
> > window), not start another instance of firefox, such as kalarm.
> > 
> > Dolphin can do it too. Nautilus can do it.
> > 
> > How does Evolution (or dolphin or nautilus) do it?
> > 
> 
> Evolution (or the others) don't actually do it themselves. They use
> xdg-open which opens whatever in the users preferred application. So
> something like 
> 
>   xdg-open http://www.gnome.org
> 
> will open the wewbsite in your preferred browser using the configured
> mechanism (new window, new tab, etc.).  This applies to not just URLs -
> it works for files - give it a .docx file, it will open LibreOffice,
> give it an image, it will open gimp etc. etc.

Thanks for the explanation. That works from my command line, but
doesn't work in kalarm.


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Re: [Evolution] How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

[Pete Biggs]

On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 18:42 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?
> 
> I can't do it from the command line. Online discussion says to use
> the "--new-tab" command-line option, but firefox always puts up a
> window saying it's already running, and inviting me to create a new
> profile.
> 
> I have other applications for which Id like to open a new tab (or new
> window), not start another instance of firefox, such as kalarm.
> 
> Dolphin can do it too. Nautilus can do it.
> 
> How does Evolution (or dolphin or nautilus) do it?
> 

Evolution (or the others) don't actually do it themselves. They use
xdg-open which opens whatever in the users preferred application. So
something like 

  xdg-open http://www.gnome.org

will open the wewbsite in your preferred browser using the configured
mechanism (new window, new tab, etc.).  This applies to not just URLs -
it works for files - give it a .docx file, it will open LibreOffice,
give it an image, it will open gimp etc. etc.

P.
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[Evolution] How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

[Van Snyder]

How does Evolution open a URL in a new tab in firefox?

I can't do it from the command line. Online discussion says to use the
"--new-tab" command-line option, but firefox always puts up a window
saying it's already running, and inviting me to create a new profile.

I have other applications for which Id like to open a new tab (or new
window), not start another instance of firefox, such as kalarm.

Dolphin can do it too. Nautilus can do it.

How does Evolution (or dolphin or nautilus) do it?

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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> > by Evolution. IOW this might be a missing feature for Evolution.
> > Actually I didn't check if such a feature does already exist for
> > Evolution, too. I just haven't seen one.
> Hm, if xdg runs the same script for all apps that want to open the
> default browser, it would be possible to get the window that is
> focused when clicking the link, to buffer that window information and
> after running the browser and losing focus, to immediately set focus
> back to the buffered window. So I was mistaken, xdg is good enough
> and should be usable to launch a script using wmctrl and maybe
> xdotool.

Yep, you can do anything you like - a process can easily determine its
parent.  You can do something as complicated as you like; you could
write a python shim that determined what to do with the link-open based
on a configuration file, recorded every link in a database, etc...

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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:26:16 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
>On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 06:18 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> > It only works, if Firefox is already running.
>> > To workaround window issues scripts using the command wmctrl and
>> > the command xdotool are usually helpful. However, in this case a
>> > mailer providing an option to chose the external browser or script
>> > would be helpful. I don't know if Evolution has got such an option
>> > or if it does
>> > run the default browser.  
>> 
>> Evolution relies on XDG; you can set the browser to any command you'd
>> like.
>>   
>
>This is a big problem, since all apps that rely on xdg would use the
>chosen default browser by this command. For a mailer like e.g. Claws,
>that allows to chose the browser or script by the Claws presets, it
>would be very easy to run a script that does use any browser, even the
>xdg browser and to give the Claws window focus by wmctrl. You don't
>want to run the same script giving focus to Claws, when opening a link
>by Evolution. IOW this might be a missing feature for Evolution.
>Actually I didn't check if such a feature does already exist for
>Evolution, too. I just haven't seen one.

Hm, if xdg runs the same script for all apps that want to open the
default browser, it would be possible to get the window that is focused
when clicking the link, to buffer that window information and after
running the browser and losing focus, to immediately set focus back to
the buffered window. So I was mistaken, xdg is good enough and should
be usable to launch a script using wmctrl and maybe xdotool.
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 06:18 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > It only works, if Firefox is already running.
> > To workaround window issues scripts using the command wmctrl and the
> > command xdotool are usually helpful. However, in this case a mailer
> > providing an option to chose the external browser or script would be
> > helpful. I don't know if Evolution has got such an option or if it
> > does
> > run the default browser.
> 
> Evolution relies on XDG; you can set the browser to any command you'd
> like.
> 

This is a big problem, since all apps that rely on xdg would use the
chosen default browser by this command. For a mailer like e.g. Claws,
that allows to chose the browser or script by the Claws presets, it
would be very easy to run a script that does use any browser, even the
xdg browser and to give the Claws window focus by wmctrl. You don't want
to run the same script giving focus to Claws, when opening a link by
Evolution. IOW this might be a missing feature for Evolution. Actually I
didn't check if such a feature does already exist for Evolution, too. I
just haven't seen one.
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> It only works, if Firefox is already running.
> To workaround window issues scripts using the command wmctrl and the
> command xdotool are usually helpful. However, in this case a mailer
> providing an option to chose the external browser or script would be
> helpful. I don't know if Evolution has got such an option or if it does
> run the default browser.

Evolution relies on XDG; you can set the browser to any command you'd
like.

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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2021-12-14 at 12:27 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 5:36 AM, theapple...@differentmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > Open config window in Firefox: about:config 
> > there find: browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground
> > and change to True
> > 
> > Thanks for the suggestion, Dan. Unfortunately it didn't work for me.
> > When I click on a link in Evolution the focus still immediately
> > shifts to Firefox, even if Firefox is in a different workspace.

It only works, if Firefox is already running.

To workaround window issues scripts using the command wmctrl and the
command xdotool are usually helpful. However, in this case a mailer
providing an option to chose the external browser or script would be
helpful. I don't know if Evolution has got such an option or if it does
run the default browser.
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background?

[Tim Folger via evolution-list]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:16 AM, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 23:28 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list wrote:
> > But when I click a link in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to the
> > browser instead of remaining with Evolution.
> 
> Hi,
> I'm also not happy with that behavior, though I've been told, long time
> ago, that it had been requested by the designers or someone, thus the
> browsers follow it (or it's something lower in the stack, it can be a
> desktop environment behavior).
> 
> What Thunderbird does differently I do not know, though when I click on
> a link in the Thunderbird 91.3.0, it passes the link to the opened
> Firefox and focuses the Firefox window, thus I cannot confirm your
> observation with the Thunderbird.
> Bye,
> Milan

Thanks, Milan. And thanks for your work on Evolution. It's a great email 
client, by far the best of the many that I have tried. 
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[Tim Folger via evolution-list]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 5:36 AM, theapple...@differentmail.com wrote:
> > When I click a link in an email message I'd like Web (my default
> > browser) or Firefox to start loading the link in the background while
> > the Evolution window remains in focus on the screen. 
> 
> For Firefox, this helped me:
> Open config window in Firefox: about:config 
> there find: browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground
> and change to True
> 
> No idea about a "Web" solution.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dan
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, Dan. Unfortunately it didn't work for me. When I 
> click on a link in Evolution the focus still immediately shifts to Firefox, 
> even if Firefox is in a different workspace.
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background?

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On 12/14/21 9:31 AM, larry wrote:

On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 23:28 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list wrote:

When I click a link in an email message I'd like Web (my default
browser) or Firefox to start loading the link in the background while
the Evolution window remains in focus on the screen. This is the
default behavior in Thunderbird, for example. But when I click a link
in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to the browser instead of
remaining with Evolution. Is there any way to keep Evolution in focus
when clicking on links within emails? Thanks in advance for any
advice.

I'm running Ubuntu MATE 3.36.5-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu MATE. I run Evolution
and Firefox in separate workspaces. When I click on a link in
Evolution, focus remains on Evolution, and I click on the workspace
that's running Firefox to get to the page.
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately it didn't work for me. Even 
if I have Evolution and Web in separate workspaces when I click on a 
link in Evolution the focus shifts to Web in the other workspace.






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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background?

[larry]

On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 23:28 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list wrote:
> When I click a link in an email message I'd like Web (my default
> browser) or Firefox to start loading the link in the background while
> the Evolution window remains in focus on the screen. This is the
> default behavior in Thunderbird, for example. But when I click a link
> in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to the browser instead of
> remaining with Evolution. Is there any way to keep Evolution in focus
> when clicking on links within emails? Thanks in advance for any
> advice.

I'm running Ubuntu MATE 3.36.5-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu MATE. I run Evolution
and Firefox in separate workspaces. When I click on a link in
Evolution, focus remains on Evolution, and I click on the workspace
that's running Firefox to get to the page.

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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background? (Firefox)

[theapple...@differentmail.com]

> When I click a link in an email message I'd like Web (my default
> browser) or Firefox to start loading the link in the background while
> the Evolution window remains in focus on the screen. 

For Firefox, this helped me:
Open config window in Firefox: about:config 
there find: browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground
and change to True

No idea about a "Web" solution.

Cheers

Dan



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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2021-12-14 at 09:16 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 23:28 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > But when I click a link in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to
> > the
> > browser instead of remaining with Evolution.
> 
> Hi,
> I'm also not happy with that behavior, though I've been told, long
> time
> ago, that it had been requested by the designers or someone, thus the
> browsers follow it (or it's something lower in the stack, it can be a
> desktop environment behavior).
> 
> What Thunderbird does differently I do not know, though when I click
> on
> a link in the Thunderbird 91.3.0, it passes the link to the opened
> Firefox and focuses the Firefox window, thus I cannot confirm your
> observation with the Thunderbird.

That's not what happens here. If I click on a link, the page opens in a
new browser tab and Evolution doesn't lose focus. I'm running
KDE/Plasma (under Fedora), so this may be a Gnome issue.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Open links in the background?

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 23:28 -0700, Tim Folger via evolution-list wrote:
> But when I click a link in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to the
> browser instead of remaining with Evolution.

Hi,
I'm also not happy with that behavior, though I've been told, long time
ago, that it had been requested by the designers or someone, thus the
browsers follow it (or it's something lower in the stack, it can be a
desktop environment behavior).

What Thunderbird does differently I do not know, though when I click on
a link in the Thunderbird 91.3.0, it passes the link to the opened
Firefox and focuses the Firefox window, thus I cannot confirm your
observation with the Thunderbird.
Bye,
Milan

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[Evolution] Open links in the background?

[Tim Folger via evolution-list]

When I click a link in an email message I'd like Web (my default browser) or 
Firefox to start loading the link in the background while the Evolution window 
remains in focus on the screen. This is the default behavior in Thunderbird, 
for example. But when I click a link in Evolution the desktop focus shifts to 
the browser instead of remaining with Evolution. Is there any way to keep 
Evolution in focus when clicking on links within emails? Thanks in advance for 
any advice.
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Re: [Evolution] open-map service

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 22:40 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> Thanks for your help. I have done as you request.

Hi,
thanks. For the record, it's filled as:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/issues/746
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] open-map service

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 12:59 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 18:03 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > The action called for looks like an "open-map:" service, similar
> > to"http:"; if so it's no wonder that browsers don't understand.
> > Cananyone clarify the situation? Is there any way to make evolution
> > callon a different service?
> 
>   Hi,it's not meant to pass this URI to the browser, it's meant
> to processit first. What web page is opened depends on Edit-
> >Preferences->Contacts->Open maps with...
> Hrm, I see it stopped working for some reason.
> Would you mind to file a bug at [1], if not there already, please?
> I'dlike not to forget of this.Thanks and bye, Milan
> [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/issues/new

Thanks for your help.  I have done as you request.

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Re: [Evolution] open-map service

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 18:03 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> The action called for looks like an "open-map:" service, similar to
> "http:"; if so it's no wonder that browsers don't understand. Can
> anyone clarify the situation? Is there any way to make evolution call
> on a different service?

Hi,
it's not meant to pass this URI to the browser, it's meant to process
it first. What web page is opened depends on Edit->Preferences
->Contacts->Open maps with...

Hrm, I see it stopped working for some reason.

Would you mind to file a bug at [1], if not there already, please? I'd
like not to forget of this.
Thanks and bye,
Milan

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/issues/new

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[Evolution] open-map service

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

When I click on an item in the address function and then on the "open-
map" line in the text that then appears at the bottom of the screen, I
get this message when using either Firefox and Chrome:


Could not open the link

The specified location is not supported.


This behavior may be related to the content of the "open-map" line
clicked on, which can be got by right clicking it and is something
like:
open-map:1516%20University%20Ave%2C%20Berkeley%2C%20CA

The action called for looks like an "open-map:" service, similar to
"http:"; if so it's no wonder that browsers don't understand.  Can
anyone clarify the situation?  Is there any way to make evolution call
on a different service?


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Hi all,

one last time. I did not believe it, but I tried now several times and 
it was only confirmed. Once the password is saved in keyrings, evolution 
works smart.


Thank you for all the work you put into this. I look at this thread now 
from my side as closed.


Have a blessed 2018


On 03/01/18 14:02, Milan Crha wrote:

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

so an equivalent to

   evolution --force-shutdown

while sidestepping usage of "evolution" would be

Hi,
depending where you distribution installs it:

$ /usr/libexec/evolution/killev

which is what the 'evolution --force-shutdown` more or less does.

But I do not think it's a good idea to make things overcomplicated when
you've tools which are provided by the application, thus which are
supposed to do things right (and if they do not, then it's a bug and
should be fixed).

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

No output by running "pgrep -a evolution" means that everything is
terminated, IOW "evolution --force-shutdown" did shutdown everything.

That's not accurate. Consider a situation when the GNOME managed to
restart the background processes between the two commands.

Nonetheless, we are far from the original issue. Let's stop discussing
details which are not needed to be learned by the regular users.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

But the prompt doesn't show. It does not come up.

Okay, thanks for trying it. This might require deep debugging, possibly
with changes in the code, which is not easily doable. I'm afraid your
only option at the moment is to store the password in the keyring, as a
workaround, to avoid the password prompt lack.
if I open any file with 'send-to' evolution starts wonderful. But I will 
try the keyring version, let's see what that does.

Thank you
Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 16:00 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> No, I don't store any password.

Hi,
I see. That's the main difference with my setup. I store all passwords.
They are in keyring these days, which means the passwords are stored
encrypted and unreadable for others, unless someone uses your computer
when you are logged in (the keyring usually unlocks after login). You
can use different password for the keyring and for the login, which
will ask you to unlock the keyring first.

> But the prompt doesn't show. It does not come up.

Okay, thanks for trying it. This might require deep debugging, possibly
with changes in the code, which is not easily doable. I'm afraid your
only option at the moment is to store the password in the keyring, as a
workaround, to avoid the password prompt lack.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

keyring" is not checked, right? You probably do not store the password
for some reason, which is fine.

No, I don't store any password.


It looked like the password/credential prompt had been shown before the
Evolution window, thus I guess it can, in some cases, be hidden under
the Evolution window. Using Alt+Tab to switch between windows may help
eventually. I mean, I believe the password prompt is there, it's only
hidden somewhere for some reason.
I tried the buttons you told me, once my daughter told me where they 
are. :-)

But the prompt doesn't show. It does not come up.


I've not been able to reproduce it, though.
Bye,
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:38:56 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
>[schorsch@localhost ~]$ evolution
>Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
>[schorsch@localhost ~]$ evolution --force-shutdown
>Could not find Evolution's process ID
>[schorsch@localhost ~]$ pgrep -a evolution
>10079 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory

"evolution --force-shutdown" didn't work or still tries to "force"
termination of all processes.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ strings /usr/lib/evolution/killev | grep kill
kill
No response from Evolution -- killing the process
/usr/bin/pkill -f -x -TERM evolution 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -TERM evolution-alarm-notify 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -TERM evolution-source-registry 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -TERM evolution-addressbook-factory 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -TERM evolution-calendar-factory 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill
killev

I suspect that "TERM" is shortened for "SIGTERM". I might be mistaken.
OTOH it anyway is the default. However, if so, I would sidestep
"evolution --force-shutdown" to send a SIGKILL (-9), by simply
replacing "-TERM" with "-9".

/usr/bin/pkill -f -x -9 evolution 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -9 evolution-alarm-notify 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -9 evolution-source-registry 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -9 evolution-addressbook-factory 2> /dev/null
/usr/bin/pkill -f -9 evolution-calendar-factory 2> /dev/null

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 14:38 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I started evolution by 'send-to' without sending the email., but I do
> get the question for the password.

Hi,
thanks for the detailed description of the situation. It helps. I
suppose, when you are offered with the password prompt, the checkbox
below Username and Password fields named "Add this password to your
keyring" is not checked, right? You probably do not store the password
for some reason, which is fine.

I tried to reproduce it here, which means I deleted all my passwords in
seahorse (that's an application name). Then I run evolution and I've
been asked for the password. While the password prompt had been there I
see in the status bar of evolution something like "Scanning folders
in ...", an ongoing operation, which will be there as long as the
operation is running.

It looked like the password/credential prompt had been shown before the
Evolution window, thus I guess it can, in some cases, be hidden under
the Evolution window. Using Alt+Tab to switch between windows may help
eventually. I mean, I believe the password prompt is there, it's only
hidden somewhere for some reason.

I've not been able to reproduce it, though.
Bye,
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Have a look:

[schorsch@localhost ~]$ *evolution*
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
[schorsch@localhost ~]$ *evolution --force-shutdown*
Could not find Evolution's process ID
[schorsch@localhost ~]$ *pgrep -a evolution*
10079 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory
10085 /usr/libexec/evolution-source-registry
10093 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory-subprocess --factory local 
--bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.Calendarx10079x2 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/Calendar/10079/2
10105 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory-subprocess --factory 
contacts --bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.Calendarx10079x3 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/Calendar/10079/3

10115 /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory
10146 /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory-subprocess --factory 
local --bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.AddressBookx10115x2 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/AddressBook/10115/2



On 03/01/18 13:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

evolution --force-shutdown

some background
I started evolution by 'send-to' without sending the email., but I do 
get the question for the password. and then evolution runs. Than I quit. 
And then opened the terminal and put in the commands you told me.
Doing the same after shutting down the whole PC and restarting 
everything. I first started evolution. the password prompt doesn't show 
up and I have to correct myself. I see the tree and can scroll the 
folders, where I put my emails, but I cannot open any email.

To end evolution I have to 'force quit'
Then I put the same commands in the terminal and get the following: 
log.txt is empty =0

[schorsch@localhost ~]$ evolution --force-shutdown
Could not find Evolution's process ID
[schorsch@localhost ~]$ pgrep -a evolution
2896 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory
2902 /usr/libexec/evolution-source-registry
2910 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory-subprocess --factory local 
--bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.Calendarx2896x2 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/Calendar/2896/2
2922 /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory-subprocess --factory 
contacts --bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.Calendarx2896x3 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/Calendar/2896/3

2933 /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory
2963 /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory-subprocess --factory 
local --bus-name 
org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Subprocess.Backend.AddressBookx2933x2 
--own-path 
/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/Subprocess/Backend/AddressBook/2933/2


Can you read that?
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> so an equivalent to
> 
>   evolution --force-shutdown
> 
> while sidestepping usage of "evolution" would be

Hi,
depending where you distribution installs it:

   $ /usr/libexec/evolution/killev

which is what the 'evolution --force-shutdown` more or less does.

But I do not think it's a good idea to make things overcomplicated when
you've tools which are provided by the application, thus which are
supposed to do things right (and if they do not, then it's a bug and
should be fixed).

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> No output by running "pgrep -a evolution" means that everything is
> terminated, IOW "evolution --force-shutdown" did shutdown everything.

That's not accurate. Consider a situation when the GNOME managed to
restart the background processes between the two commands.

Nonetheless, we are far from the original issue. Let's stop discussing
details which are not needed to be learned by the regular users.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:11 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> > well, the --force-shutdown kills the background processes in the
> > correct order, which is important at least in GNOME, where
> > gnome-shell's calendar-server process (which provides events in the
> > clock popup) restarts evolution-calendar-factory process when it
> > disappears, which can have consequences when it's not stopped as the
> > last process.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> so an equivalent to
> 
>   evolution --force-shutdown
> 
> while sidestepping usage of "evolution" would be
> 
>   pkill -9 evolution && killall -9 evolution-calendar-factory
>  ^^
>  I wonder if "-9" anyway would require
>  "&& sleep 5 &&" or a loop, so probably
>  "evolution --force-shutdown" is the easiest way, as
>  long as launching "evolution --force-shutdown"
>  shouldn't cause an issue itself.

I've never had a problem with 'evolution --force-shutdown'. AFAIK it
just calls /usr/libexec/evolution/killev.

> Perhaps verifying that everything is killed by running
> 
>   pgrep -a evolution
> 
> is a good idea?

I use 'pgrep -f ...' as it also lists processes which have changed the
first word in their command line (firefox does this for example).

poc
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

My apologies, for the OP this perhaps was a confusing conversation.

Gottfried simply run

  evolution --force-shutdown
  evolution &>log.txt

or perhaps

  evolution --force-shutdown
  pgrep -a evolution
  evolution &>log.txt

No output by running "pgrep -a evolution" means that everything is
terminated, IOW "evolution --force-shutdown" did shutdown everything.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 12:11 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> well, the --force-shutdown kills the background processes in the
> correct order, which is important at least in GNOME, where
> gnome-shell's calendar-server process (which provides events in the
> clock popup) restarts evolution-calendar-factory process when it
> disappears, which can have consequences when it's not stopped as the
> last process.

Thank you,

so an equivalent to

  evolution --force-shutdown

while sidestepping usage of "evolution" would be

  pkill -9 evolution && killall -9 evolution-calendar-factory
 ^^
 I wonder if "-9" anyway would require
 "&& sleep 5 &&" or a loop, so probably
 "evolution --force-shutdown" is the easiest way, as
 long as launching "evolution --force-shutdown"
 shouldn't cause an issue itself.

Perhaps verifying that everything is killed by running

  pgrep -a evolution

is a good idea?

And after that starting evolution with redirecting all output to a log
file. Since the login shell most likely is bash

evolution &>/tmp/evolution.log)

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2018-01-03 at 11:48 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I prefer pkill -9 over --force-shutdown to completely sidestep
> evolution.

Hi,
well, the --force-shutdown kills the background processes in the
correct order, which is important at least in GNOME, where
gnome-shell's calendar-server process (which provides events in the
clock popup) restarts evolution-calendar-factory process when it
disappears, which can have consequences when it's not stopped as the
last process. I do not want to go too much into detail here.

Otherwise yes, there are usually multiple ways how to achieve the same
goal.

Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:48:55 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:13:45 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:  
>>   $ evolution &>log.txt
>>   $ evolution --force-shutdown
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm in favour of
>
>pkill -9 evolution && evolution > /tmp/evolution.log 2>&1
>  
>&> vs 2>&1 for portability reasons, just in case the OP should use
>a shell not providing &>, even while the OP most likely does use bash.
>
>I prefer pkill -9 over --force-shutdown to completely sidestep
>evolution.
>
>However, the OP already was asked to do this, see
>https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-December/msg00167.html .  

PS: Does "evolution --force-shutdown" terminate relevant processes that
don't include "evolution", too? Are there any other relevant processes
at all?

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:13:45 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
>   $ evolution &>log.txt
>   $ evolution --force-shutdown

Hi,

I'm in favour of

pkill -9 evolution && evolution > /tmp/evolution.log 2>&1

&> vs 2>&1 for portability reasons, just in case the OP should use a
shell not providing &>, even while the OP most likely does use bash.

I prefer pkill -9 over --force-shutdown to completely sidestep
evolution.

However, the OP already was asked to do this, see
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-December/msg00167.html .

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2018-01-02 at 21:30 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> > I'm unsure of one thing: does Evolution freeze in this state and it
> > doesn't repaint,
> 
> ...which lead to full function until I closed it  again. Then it was
> not opening anymore.

Hi,
I'm sorry, I'm still confused. "Then it was not opening anymore" means
"Evolution doesn't start", or anything else? There is a big difference
between: a) no evolution; b) evolution window stuck, not responding;
c) might probably do something in the background, with no visual
effect, but still can read locally stored messages and otherwise
interact with the application.

> Password seems not the problem, as I can open evolution through the 
> 'send to' command in the file directory. I just click on any file 
> anywhere with the right mouseclick, choose 'send-to' and open
> evolution perfect. But that doesn't make sense to me either.

Password for message send is saved separately from the one for message
receive. I would verify that the saved password (in `seahorse`, aka
"Passwords & keys" application) is the correct one. That would be for a
workaround to not shown password prompt. By the way, when you run
evolution from a terminal like this:

   $ evolution &>log.txt

and you reproduce the issue and then close evolution gracefully, will
the new log.txt file contain anything? Beware of private information,
though there might be only a minimum of it, if anything.

The not-shown-credentials-prompt sounds known to me, but I cannot
recall any detail right now. Maybe update evolution and evolution-data-
server to 3.26.3, which you might have already available in the
repository, then restart the machine, thus the updated binaries for
background processes are restarted.

I'd also try one possibly completely unrelated thing, run:
   $ evolution --force-shutdown
which will also restart background processes. There could be some issue
with libsecret which happens from time to time, but it doesn't
propagate into the UI. Restatrt of background processes this way helped
usually. As I said, this might be unrelated and a complete nonsense for
the issue you face.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[andré via evolution-list]

Le 2018-01-02 à 14:30, Gottfried a écrit :



[...]


You can also tweak some GNOME behaviour with a gnome-tweak-tool (where
the most irritating for me is when a modal window movement moves also
its parent, which I turn off).
what in the world is tweaking? What does that do? gives it a protokoll? 
or is that a way to repair? Sorry, I am not much of a linux-user, I am 
just upset with Windoof.


gnome-tweak-tool lets you easily change a lot of default settings, 
including the theme.
(You don't want to touch the theme, since a bad setting can cause new 
problems.  The theme sets the icons used in windows, the headings & 
borders of windows, text foreground & background, etc.
A bad theme setting can set the text the same colour as the background, 
making text invisible, for example.)


There are a lot of other default settings that can be changed without 
much risk.

It is not meant to repair anything.
You could run it to see what options it gives.  Just be careful to not 
change anything at first, until you know what it does.


Probably most users came to Linux to escape MSW.  I like X-windows better ;)


Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

I'm unsure of one thing: does Evolution freeze in this state and it
doesn't repaint,
The tree of saved messages is still mobile, and I can look into the 
folders, look up certain emails. I did a back-up and I can read an older 
back-up into evolution, which lead to full function until I closed it 
again. Then it was not opening anymore. The window for putting in the 
password for the evolution user does not come up.



You mentioned that you use GNOME. As it looks like you've most of its
settings in defaults, you probably run the Wayland session, not X.org.
This can be changed during the login, when you click the gear wheel
icon after you select the user to log in (and before you enter the
password for the user).

So I should try and change to the X.org? it doesn't change anything.

I do not know whether your Evolution window is
maximized or not,
Mostly not. Especially not when I start it, later on maybe, when I need 
to overview the emails.

You can run Evolution from a terminal in offline mode:

$ evolution --offline

which will avoid the password prompt for the mail account, because it
will not try to connect to the server. Then, when you've the Evolution
window moved appropriately, switch it to online with File->Work Online
menu option and then click File->Send/Receive-> to make it
connect and refresh it. It can also happen that the credentials prompt
is on a different desktop (there was a bug about it int he past,
related to KDE).
It doesn't do anything when I go through the menu. There is a button 
left in the lower corner looks like an electrical plug. If I click on 
it, it says that it reconnects my account, but that is so to speak the 
last breath. After that nothing else happens.

You can verify your password in Seahorse (it's Passwords & Keys
application), where you can see which are stored and what they are.
Password seems not the problem, as I can open evolution through the 
'send to' command in the file directory. I just click on any file 
anywhere with the right mouseclick, choose 'send-to' and open evolution 
perfect. But that doesn't make sense to me either.


You can also tweak some GNOME behaviour with a gnome-tweak-tool (where
the most irritating for me is when a modal window movement moves also
its parent, which I turn off).
what in the world is tweaking? What does that do? gives it a protokoll? 
or is that a way to repair? Sorry, I am not much of a linux-user, I am 
just upset with Windoof.

Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

On Tue, 2018-01-02 at 19:30 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I really have no clue, what exactly you mean with theme.

If you don't know, then it is not the cause here. :)

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

the underlying issue lies outside of Evolution.

Probably in the desktop theme that you are using.
I changed my background picture to one of the fedora backgrounds and 
matched it with the lockscreen. They were different before. I use 
English (UK) as language, but have a German keyboard, because I have one.
Is that meant with theme as well? Should I switch to one language, 
running the computer and keyboard? I really have no clue, what exactly 
you mean with theme.


Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Milan Crha]

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 15:50 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I attached the list in txt format. Is that OK?

Hi,
this one is fine for a brief look on what evolution does. It shows that
Thread 12 is truly waiting for credentials and Thread 1 is redrawing a
tree view. I guess, from the past experience, that the tree view being
redrew is the folder tree on the left, due to the spinner beside the
account name, which indicates that the account is connecting.

I'm unsure of one thing: does Evolution freeze in this state and it
doesn't repaint, like you cannot scroll up/down in the folder tree with
a mouse wheel when the cursor is above it and the spinner (which I hope
you see) doesn't spin; or the evolution is alive UI-wise, but it
doesn't want to connect the account and keeps the spinner spinning?
There is a difference between the two states. When the evolution is
stuck and doesn't repaint, then you might face an issue with a deadlock
of some type (kind of unlikely in this case, but I didn't see all of
the cases for sure) or the credentials prompt dialog is behind the main
Evolution window for some reason. This could happened for New Mail
windows in the past, thus why not also for the credentials prompt.

You mentioned that you use GNOME. As it looks like you've most of its
settings in defaults, you probably run the Wayland session, not X.org.
This can be changed during the login, when you click the gear wheel
icon after you select the user to log in (and before you enter the
password for the user). I do not know whether your Evolution window is
maximized or not, but I'd unmaximize it and make it as small as
possible (thus any window below it could be easily seen, thus also move
it to some corner, to occupy as small part of the center of the screen
as possible). You can run Evolution from a terminal in offline mode:

   $ evolution --offline

which will avoid the password prompt for the mail account, because it
will not try to connect to the server. Then, when you've the Evolution
window moved appropriately, switch it to online with File->Work Online
menu option and then click File->Send/Receive-> to make it
connect and refresh it. It can also happen that the credentials prompt
is on a different desktop (there was a bug about it int he past,
related to KDE).

These are just some wild guesses.

You can verify your password in Seahorse (it's Passwords & Keys
application), where you can see which are stored and what they are.

You can also tweak some GNOME behaviour with a gnome-tweak-tool (where
the most irritating for me is when a modal window movement moves also
its parent, which I turn off).
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

On Tue, 2018-01-02 at 10:45 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Happy New Year everyone!
> 
> finally we got done with 2017 and it's a new year. May it be blessed
> for 
> all of you. Thank you for your work. It's invaluable.
> 
> Referring to my problem:
> 
> I clicked once again the wrong button and clicked "send to' in my
> files 
> instead of 'copy to' but the outcome is that evolution opened
> without 
> any problem. Since I have it now, there are several emails I have to 
> answer and work for other people, so I dare not close it in order to 
> test, if it 'repaired itself' somehow. But would this information
> give 
> you a clue as to where the problem lies?

No. In my interpretation, your attachment in
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-December/msg00198.html
implies that the underlying issue lies outside of Evolution. 
Probably in the desktop theme that you are using.

If you run latest Fedora and if you use the default desktop theme and
if you can still reproduce the issue, I'd suggest installing debuginfo
packages for evolution, evolution-data-server, glib2, gtk3, then get a
better stacktrace, and then file a ticket in the bug tracker.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Happy New Year everyone!

finally we got done with 2017 and it's a new year. May it be blessed for 
all of you. Thank you for your work. It's invaluable.


Referring to my problem:

I clicked once again the wrong button and clicked "send to' in my files 
instead of 'copy to' but the outcome is that evolution opened without 
any problem. Since I have it now, there are several emails I have to 
answer and work for other people, so I dare not close it in order to 
test, if it 'repaired itself' somehow. But would this information give 
you a clue as to where the problem lies?


I just hope so.

Have a blessed day

Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 16:57 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> > A theme is essentially a group of visual settings that affect what your
> > desktop and windows look like, including icons, colour schemes, fonts,
> > background, etc.
> 
> Yepp, in this case, I changed the background actually every now and 
> then. I find a nice picture taken by my wife as photography or in the 
> internet, wherever, and take it and then change it later again. so I 
> hardly use the backgrounds offered by the distributions. Since I am 
> publishing books, I also have a lot of fonts that I use for the books.
> Did not think, this would influence evolution. Does it?

Very unlikely. Changing individual graphics elements shouldn't affect
anything (though fonts can have odd side-effects).

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

A theme is essentially a group of visual settings that affect what your
desktop and windows look like, including icons, colour schemes, fonts,
background, etc.
Yepp, in this case, I changed the background actually every now and 
then. I find a nice picture taken by my wife as photography or in the 
internet, wherever, and take it and then change it later again. so I 
hardly use the backgrounds offered by the distributions. Since I am 
publishing books, I also have a lot of fonts that I use for the books.

Did not think, this would influence evolution. Does it?
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 15:54 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> > Yes, from the previous email: "Have you changed the theme at all?"
> > 
> > andre
> 
> ??? what do you mean with theme? I used to work with pop but with fedora 
> I changed to IMAP. Otherwise it's the same emails, and I used the same 
> back-ups. Fedora is of course different, you don't mean that. And I 
> always used Gnome. You don't mean that either. Just help me, what is 
> "theme"?

A theme is essentially a group of visual settings that affect what your
desktop and windows look like, including icons, colour schemes, fonts,
background, etc. It has nothing to do with email as such, but since
Evolution is a Gnome app it will use the current Gnome theme by
default. I use KDE myself so I can't advise you on switching themes on
Gnome. I'm sure others can help with this.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Yes, from the previous email: "Have you changed the theme at all?"

andre
??? what do you mean with theme? I used to work with pop but with fedora 
I changed to IMAP. Otherwise it's the same emails, and I used the same 
back-ups. Fedora is of course different, you don't mean that. And I 
always used Gnome. You don't mean that either. Just help me, what is 
"theme"?

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

That list is the list of threads currently being run by Evolution along
with a backtrace of the calls in each thread.  One of the 45 threads is
stuck but without seeing them all it is impossible to tell which is
causing the issue. The list is long because Evolution is complex. If
the file is a reasonable size (under about 100k) then attach it to an
email to this list; if it's big, then load it in to pastebin - it would
be helpful if it didn't have things like "---Type  to continue,
or q  to quit---" in the middle of it.

P.


I attached the list in txt format. Is that OK? Or should I copy the list 
into the email? The list is long but just 20kb.
after the first section I accidentally quit but started again and had 
the same list given again and then had it run to the end. I didn't see 
any personal data on it.

Hope I can work with my email soon again :-)
Gottfried
Thread 45 (Thread 0x7fff289d4700 (LWP 12627)):
#0  0x7fffeb4d3b29 in syscall () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e9166a in g_cond_wait_until () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e20381 in g_async_queue_pop_intern_unlocked ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x75e2093c in g_async_queue_timeout_pop ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x75e73f6e in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x75e734c6 in g_thread_proxy () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#6  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#7  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 44 (Thread 0x7fff0effd700 (LWP 12611)):
#0  0x7fffeb4cd30b in poll () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e4bed9 in g_main_context_iterate.isra ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e4c272 in g_main_loop_run () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x7fffeda181f0 in WTF::RunLoop::run() ()
at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#4  0x7fffeda170b2 in WTF::Function::CallableWrapper::call() () at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#5  0x7fffed9eff0b in 
WTF::Thread::entryPoint(WTF::Thread::NewThreadContext*) () at 
/lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#6  0x7fffeda162a9 in WTF::wtfThreadEntryPoint(void*) ()
at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#7  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#8  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 43 (Thread 0x7fff0700 (LWP 12609)):
#0  0x7fffeb4cd30b in poll () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e4bed9 in g_main_context_iterate.isra ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e4c272 in g_main_loop_run () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x7fffeda181f0 in WTF::RunLoop::run() ()
at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#4  0x7fffeda170b2 in WTF::Function::CallableWrapper::call() () at 
/lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#5  0x7fffed9eff0b in 
WTF::Thread::entryPoint(WTF::Thread::NewThreadContext*) () at 
/lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#6  0x7fffeda162a9 in WTF::wtfThreadEntryPoint(void*) ()
at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#7  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#8  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 25 (Thread 0x7fff4c96d700 (LWP 12572)):
#0  0x7fffeb4cd30b in poll () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e4bed9 in g_main_context_iterate.isra ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e4c272 in g_main_loop_run () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x757227d3 in cal_client_dbus_thread () at /lib64/libecal-1.2.so.19
#4  0x75e734c6 in g_thread_proxy () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#6  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 24 (Thread 0x7fff4d16e700 (LWP 12571)):
#0  0x74e5ac4b in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 ()
at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x7fff574673cb in util_queue_thread_func ()
at /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
#2  0x7fff574672e7 in impl_thrd_routine ()
at /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
#3  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#4  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 23 (Thread 0x7fff4d96f700 (LWP 12570)):
#0  0x74e5ac4b in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 ()
at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x7fff574673cb in util_queue_thread_func ()
at /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
#2  0x7fff574672e7 in impl_thrd_routine ()
at /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
#3  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#4  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 22 (Thread 0x7fff4e170700 (LWP 12569)):
#0  0x74e5ac4b in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 ()
at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x7fff574673cb in 

Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 13:55 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> So I set up my laptop completely with fedora 27 and the only change in 
> evolution was the update, which didn't change anything that I could
> see.

Yes, from the previous email: "Have you changed the theme at all?"

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

for the emails I use IMAP

The system is set up on Gnome

I used to work on Linux Mint, but evolution was then only with version 
3.22 available and I felt the performance was deteriorating. So I 
set up my laptop completely with fedora 27 and the only change in 
evolution was the update, which didn't change anything that I could see.


When I had evolution run on linux mint, and I did not start evolution 
right from the beginning, when I started the computer, it would react 
the same way. Once it reacted that way, I had to restart the whole 
computer in order to get evolution started again. In fedora I had no 
problem the first two or three weeks. Of course I always started 
evolution first before any other app. One day I didn't and somehow, it 
doesn't find back to simply generate the email list.


Does that help? any more questions? I would be happy to answer, 
sometimes I do not understand your language, but I am on the way getting 
there. :-)


Gottfried


On 30/12/17 12:13, Pete Biggs wrote:

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 09:18 +0200, Gottfried wrote:

Somehow it counts down from 45 to 1 and then last one mentions some loop:

The loop it mentions in this - Thread #1 - is fundamental to how GUI
apps work. The program enters a loop which allows other threads or
applications to get some time to process things such as key presses or
mouse clicks.

But having said that I see that that particular thread is processing a
css request:


Thread 1 (Thread 0x77f8af80 (LWP 12519)):
#0  0x739e7330 in gtk_css_static_style_get_default ()
  at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0

Some questions for you - and please could you try and answer them.

What desktop do use? Gnome? KDE? or something else?

Have you changed the theme at all?

P.
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

On Sat, 2017-12-30 at 09:18 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Somehow it counts down from 45 to 1 and then last one mentions some loop:

The loop it mentions in this - Thread #1 - is fundamental to how GUI
apps work. The program enters a loop which allows other threads or
applications to get some time to process things such as key presses or
mouse clicks.

But having said that I see that that particular thread is processing a
css request:

> Thread 1 (Thread 0x77f8af80 (LWP 12519)):
> #0  0x739e7330 in gtk_css_static_style_get_default ()
>  at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0

Some questions for you - and please could you try and answer them.

What desktop do use? Gnome? KDE? or something else?

Have you changed the theme at all?

P.
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> and I can now quit or go on like this. what exactly of these lists would 
> you need?
> 
> 
That list is the list of threads currently being run by Evolution along
with a backtrace of the calls in each thread.  One of the 45 threads is
stuck but without seeing them all it is impossible to tell which is
causing the issue. The list is long because Evolution is complex. If
the file is a reasonable size (under about 100k) then attach it to an
email to this list; if it's big, then load it in to pastebin - it would
be helpful if it didn't have things like "---Type  to continue,
or q  to quit---" in the middle of it.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Somehow it counts down from 45 to 1 and then last one mentions some loop:
Thread 1 (Thread 0x77f8af80 (LWP 12519)):
#0  0x739e7330 in gtk_css_static_style_get_default ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#1  0x739d3592 in gtk_css_node_init () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#2  0x714e2ef0 in g_type_create_instance ()
at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#3  0x714c3db8 in g_object_new_internal ()
---Type  to continue, or q  to quit---
at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#4  0x714c in g_object_new_with_properties ()
at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#5  0x714c5fd1 in g_object_new () at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#6  0x739ee69a in gtk_css_transient_node_new () at 
/lib64/libgtk-3.so.0

#7  0x73b3540e in gtk_style_context_save_named ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#8  0x73baf841 in validate_row () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#9  0x73bb781a in do_validate_rows () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#10 0x73bb7ed1 in gtk_tree_view_get_preferred_width ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#11 0x73b269cc in gtk_widget_query_size_for_orientation ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#12 0x73b270bc in gtk_widget_compute_size_for_orientation ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#13 0x73b27231 in gtk_widget_get_preferred_width_for_height ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#14 0x73b2751d in _gtk_widget_get_preferred_size_and_baseline ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#15 0x73bb1aba in do_presize_handler () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#16 0x73bb1fa9 in presize_handler_callback () at 
/lib64/libgtk-3.so.0

#17 0x73bd1e42 in gtk_widget_on_frame_clock_update ()
at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
---Type  to continue, or q  to quit---
#18 0x714be73d in g_closure_invoke () at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#19 0x714d14de in signal_emit_unlocked_R ()
at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#20 0x714d9d05 in g_signal_emit_valist () at 
/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0

#21 0x714da66f in g_signal_emit () at /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#22 0x7359b723 in gdk_frame_clock_paint_idle () at 
/lib64/libgdk-3.so.0

#23 0x735869d0 in gdk_threads_dispatch () at /lib64/libgdk-3.so.0
#24 0x75e4c61d in g_timeout_dispatch () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#25 0x75e4bbb7 in g_main_context_dispatch () at 
/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0

#26 0x75e4bf60 in g_main_context_iterate.isra ()
at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#27 0x75e4c272 in g_main_loop_run () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#28 0x73a83ca5 in gtk_main () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
#29 0x8494 in main ()

Greetings
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

here is what I get now:

Thread 45 (Thread 0x7fff289d4700 (LWP 12627)):
#0  0x7fffeb4d3b29 in syscall () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e9166a in g_cond_wait_until () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e20381 in g_async_queue_pop_intern_unlocked ()
    at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x75e2093c in g_async_queue_timeout_pop ()
    at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x75e73f6e in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy ()
    at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x75e734c6 in g_thread_proxy () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#6  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#7  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 44 (Thread 0x7fff0effd700 (LWP 12611)):
#0  0x7fffeb4cd30b in poll () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x75e4bed9 in g_main_context_iterate.isra ()
    at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x75e4c272 in g_main_loop_run () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x7fffeda181f0 in WTF::RunLoop::run() ()
    at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#4  0x7fffeda170b2 in WTF::Function()>::CallableWrapper::call() () at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#5  0x7fffed9eff0b in 
WTF::Thread::entryPoint(WTF::Thread::NewThreadContext*) () at 
/lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18

#6  0x7fffeda162a9 in WTF::wtfThreadEntryPoint(void*) ()
    at /lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0.so.18
#7  0x74e54619 in start_thread () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#8  0x7fffeb4d98bf in clone () at /lib64/libc.so.6

and I can now quit or go on like this. what exactly of these lists would 
you need?



On 30/12/17 03:19, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 17:34 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote:

I believe they missed the step that after Evolution hangs you have to
type Ctrl-C in the GDB terminal to interrupt the debugger and get
back
to the GDB prompt. THEN you can type "thread apply all bt full"

Yes! Zan is correct. I am sorry for that!
No problem, as a German I never make mistakes, you know? But I can 
forgive. :-))


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 17:34 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote:
> I believe they missed the step that after Evolution hangs you have to
> type Ctrl-C in the GDB terminal to interrupt the debugger and get
> back
> to the GDB prompt. THEN you can type "thread apply all bt full"
> 
> At least I think that is what is happening.

Yes! Zan is correct. I am sorry for that!

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Zan Lynx]

On 12/29/2017 05:18 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> 
> 
>> It sounds like Evolution "hangs" (does not respond to anything in
>> the user interface anymore) but does not "crash" (the application
>> window vanishes unexpectedly).
>> 
>> Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal
>> window. Then enter the command "gdb evolution". At the next prompt,
>> enter the command "run". Then make Evolution hang. Then enter the
>> command "thread apply all bt full".
> I did just that. it shows a list of threads. It seams to take for
> ever. If I type your command 'thread apply all bt full' in between,
> nothing happens any more. At least it looks like. Could it be that it
> just takes a lot of time? as I said, my PC is not fast. to me it
> still looks like gdb is hanging just like evolution

I believe they missed the step that after Evolution hangs you have to
type Ctrl-C in the GDB terminal to interrupt the debugger and get back
to the GDB prompt. THEN you can type "thread apply all bt full"

At least I think that is what is happening.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

It sounds like Evolution "hangs" (does not respond to anything in the
user interface anymore) but does not "crash" (the application window
vanishes unexpectedly).

Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal window.
Then enter the command "gdb evolution". At the next prompt, enter the
command "run". Then make Evolution hang. Then enter the command "thread
apply all bt full".
I did just that. it shows a list of threads. It seams to take for ever. 
If I type your command 'thread apply all bt full' in between, nothing 
happens any more. At least it looks like. Could it be that it just takes 
a lot of time? as I said, my PC is not fast. to me it still looks like 
gdb is hanging just like evolution

Gottfried

Then post the *complete* output of *all* those steps somewhere.



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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Yes sorry, I wrote from my cellphone one of the emails, won't do that again.


On 30/12/17 00:22, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:



Please do NOT post on the list from multiple email accounts. This makes
it impossible to keep track of conversations.

I fact I've just noticed you used the same account, but with a changed
user name. This is still confusing so I suggest you unify the
configuration in your various devices (assuming that's the root of the
difference).





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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:27:07 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>You were asked explicitly to use the gdb debugger with instructions on
>what commands to give in order to generate a stack trace, which might
>give a clue to what's going on.

In a nutshell:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:54:03 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
>Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal window.
>Then enter the command "gdb evolution". At the next prompt, enter the
>command "run". Then make Evolution hang. Then enter the command "thread
>apply all bt full". 
>Then post the *complete* output of *all* those steps somewhere.

E.g. https://pastebin.com/ , it's not much liked, but it more or less
does the job. Post a link to the https://pastebin.com/ post to this
mailing list.

Take care:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:28:25 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
>If you want to post any debugging output here (or elsewhere) make sure
>that any private information (such as email addresses or passwords) is
>removed first

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> in Fedora there is a program called Nemiver. I used the function "attach 
> to running program" while Evolution is still running or hanging.

You were asked explicitly to use the gdb debugger with instructions on
what commands to give in order to generate a stack trace, which might
give a clue to what's going on. A dump of machine-code instructions
from the middle of a running program is completely useless.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:57:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
>> Nemiver  
>
>The output of Nemiver you posted seemingly is Assembler code, so
>perhaps what you used was a disassembler feature. However, I don't
>know Nemiver, nor do I program anymore. But actually I programmed
>Assembler in the 80s. I seriously doubt that it's much useful output.

OT:

Usually I used processors without the mov command, instead they loaded
from a register and stored to a register :D. However, while I'm aware
that mov exists and what it does, I don't know a few of the other
"cryptic" commands of your output. OTOH many commands are not cryptic
to me. As a pointer I searched
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings for those
commands that are cryptic to me.

I suspect that this particular debugger you used, allows to show what
the C/C++ code actually does in Assembler, which could be useful for a
coder, but in this context it IMO doesn't provide anything useful.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 22:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 20:23 +0200, jeff...@g123.de wrote:
> > OK, got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs 
> > time with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked.
> > Setup of evolution on that user takes a bit more time, but it is going. In 
> > fedora there is a debugger, I'll try that and see what it comes up with.
> > Thank you all for your engagement and paatience with me.
> > Gottfried
> 
> Please do NOT post on the list from multiple email accounts. This makes
> it impossible to keep track of conversations.

I fact I've just noticed you used the same account, but with a changed
user name. This is still confusing so I suggest you unify the
configuration in your various devices (assuming that's the root of the
difference).

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 20:23 +0200, jeff...@g123.de wrote:
> OK, got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs time 
> with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked.
> Setup of evolution on that user takes a bit more time, but it is going. In 
> fedora there is a debugger, I'll try that and see what it comes up with.
> Thank you all for your engagement and paatience with me.
> Gottfried

Please do NOT post on the list from multiple email accounts. This makes
it impossible to keep track of conversations.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Nemiver

The output of Nemiver you posted seemingly is Assembler code, so perhaps
what you used was a disassembler feature. However, I don't know Nemiver,
nor do I program anymore. But actually I programmed Assembler in the
80s. I seriously doubt that it's much useful output.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

In your case use the already mentioned gdb. In some other cases strace
could be very helpful. This are at least the only two programs I ever
needed to use for bug reports. I heard that valgrind is used a lot, too,
but a developer never asked me to run it.

Here's a not that good overview, however, ignoring the Arch related
pacman hint, it at least gives terms you could use to google:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Step-by-step_debugging_guide

Actually you don't need to google, since all instructions how to use gdb
already were given ;).

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Hi All,

in Fedora there is a program called Nemiver. I used the function "attach 
to running program" while Evolution is still running or hanging. I got 
the following. Does that show anything? To me Chinese would be just as 
clear. :-) THe program shows the header: (path='/usr/bin/evolution', 
pid=2688)


0x7f9bff7b41fa  <_hb_ot_shape+5578>:  add    $0x14,%r15
0x7f9bff7b41fe  <_hb_ot_shape+5582>:  mov 0xb0(%rbp),%rsi
0x7f9bff7b4205  <_hb_ot_shape+5589>:  mov    %rbp,%rdi
0x7f9bff7b4208  <_hb_ot_shape+5592>:  add    $0x14,%r14
0x7f9bff7b420c  <_hb_ot_shape+5596>:  mov 0x98(%rax),%rcx
0x7f9bff7b4213  <_hb_ot_shape+5603>:  callq *0x178(%rax)
0x7f9bff7b4219  <_hb_ot_shape+5609>:  mov %eax,-0x14(%r14)
0x7f9bff7b421d  <_hb_ot_shape+5613>:  cmp    %r15,%rbx
0x7f9bff7b4220  <_hb_ot_shape+5616>:  jne 0x7f9bff7b41f0 
<_hb_ot_shape+5568>

0x7f9bff7b4222  <_hb_ot_shape+5618>:  mov    $0x6,%esi
0x7f9bff7b4227  <_hb_ot_shape+5623>:  mov    %rbp,%rdi
0x7f9bff7b422a  <_hb_ot_shape+5626>:  mov 0x10(%rsp),%rbx
0x7f9bff7b422f  <_hb_ot_shape+5631>:  callq 0x7f9bff7815c0 
<_ZN9hb_font_t8has_funcEj>

0x7f9bff7b4234  <_hb_ot_shape+5636>:  test   %al,%al
0x7f9bff7b4236  <_hb_ot_shape+5638>:  je 0x7f9bff7b35f0 
<_hb_ot_shape+2496>

0x7f9bff7b423c  <_hb_ot_shape+5644>:  mov 0x20(%rsp),%eax
0x7f9bff7b4240  <_hb_ot_shape+5648>:  mov 0x28(%rsp),%rdi
0x7f9bff7b4245  <_hb_ot_shape+5653>:  add    $0xc,%r13
0x7f9bff7b4249  <_hb_ot_shape+5657>:  mov %rbx,0x28(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b424e  <_hb_ot_shape+5662>:  lea 0x68(%rsp),%r15
0x7f9bff7b4253  <_hb_ot_shape+5667>:  mov    %rbp,%rbx
0x7f9bff7b4256  <_hb_ot_shape+5670>:  mov    %r13,%rbp
0x7f9bff7b4259  <_hb_ot_shape+5673>:  lea (%rax,%rax,4),%rax
0x7f9bff7b425d  <_hb_ot_shape+5677>:  lea (%rdi,%rax,4),%rax
0x7f9bff7b4261  <_hb_ot_shape+5681>:  lea 0x70(%rsp),%rdi
0x7f9bff7b4266  <_hb_ot_shape+5686>:  mov %rax,0x10(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b426b  <_hb_ot_shape+5691>:  lea 0x6c(%rsp),%rax
0x7f9bff7b4270  <_hb_ot_shape+5696>:  mov %rdi,0x20(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b4275  <_hb_ot_shape+5701>:  mov    %rax,%r13
0x7f9bff7b4278  <_hb_ot_shape+5704>:  jmp 0x7f9bff7b42a1 
<_hb_ot_shape+5745>

0x7f9bff7b427a  <_hb_ot_shape+5706>:  nopw 0x0(%rax,%rax,1)
0x7f9bff7b4280  <_hb_ot_shape+5712>:  mov 0x68(%rsp),%edx
0x7f9bff7b4284  <_hb_ot_shape+5716>:  mov 0x6c(%rsp),%eax
0x7f9bff7b4288  <_hb_ot_shape+5720>:  sub %edx,-0x4(%rbp)
0x7f9bff7b428b  <_hb_ot_shape+5723>:  sub %eax,0x0(%rbp)
0x7f9bff7b428e  <_hb_ot_shape+5726>:  add    $0x14,%r12
0x7f9bff7b4292  <_hb_ot_shape+5730>:  add    $0x14,%rbp
0x7f9bff7b4296  <_hb_ot_shape+5734>:  cmp %r12,0x10(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b429b  <_hb_ot_shape+5739>:  je 0x7f9bff7b3900 
<_hb_ot_shape+3280>

0x7f9bff7b42a1  <_hb_ot_shape+5745>:  mov (%r12),%r14d
0x7f9bff7b42a5  <_hb_ot_shape+5749>:  mov 0xa8(%rbx),%rax
0x7f9bff7b42ac  <_hb_ot_shape+5756>:  mov    %r13,%r8
0x7f9bff7b42af  <_hb_ot_shape+5759>:  movl $0x0,0x6c(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b42b7  <_hb_ot_shape+5767>:  movl $0x0,0x68(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b42bf  <_hb_ot_shape+5775>:  mov    %r15,%rcx
0x7f9bff7b42c2  <_hb_ot_shape+5778>:  mov 0xb0(%rbx),%rsi
0x7f9bff7b42c9  <_hb_ot_shape+5785>:  mov    %rbx,%rdi
0x7f9bff7b42cc  <_hb_ot_shape+5788>:  mov 0xa8(%rax),%r9
0x7f9bff7b42d3  <_hb_ot_shape+5795>:  mov    %r14d,%edx
0x7f9bff7b42d6  <_hb_ot_shape+5798>:  callq *0x188(%rax)
0x7f9bff7b42dc  <_hb_ot_shape+5804>:  test   %eax,%eax
0x7f9bff7b42de  <_hb_ot_shape+5806>:  jne 0x7f9bff7b4280 
<_hb_ot_shape+5712>

0x7f9bff7b42e0  <_hb_ot_shape+5808>:  mov 0xa8(%rbx),%rax
0x7f9bff7b42e7  <_hb_ot_shape+5815>:  movl $0x0,0x6c(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b42ef  <_hb_ot_shape+5823>:  mov    %r13,%r8
0x7f9bff7b42f2  <_hb_ot_shape+5826>:  movl $0x0,0x68(%rsp)
0x7f9bff7b42fa  <_hb_ot_shape+5834>:  mov 0xb0(%rbx),%rsi
0x7f9bff7b4301  <_hb_ot_shape+5841>:  mov    %r15,%rcx
0x7f9bff7b4304  <_hb_ot_shape+5844>:  mov    %r14d,%edx
0x7f9bff7b4307  <_hb_ot_shape+5847>:  mov    %rbx,%rdi
0x7f9bff7b430a  <_hb_ot_shape+5850>:  mov 0xb0(%rax),%r9
0x7f9bff7b4311  <_hb_ot_shape+5857>:  callq *0x190(%rax)
0x7f9bff7b4317  <_hb_ot_shape+5863>:  test   %eax,%eax
0x7f9bff7b4319  <_hb_ot_shape+5865>:  je 0x7f9bff7b4280 
<_hb_ot_shape+5712>

0x7f9bff7b431f  <_hb_ot_shape+5871>:  mov 0xa8(%rbx),%rax
0x7f9bff7b4326  <_hb_ot_shape+5878>:  mov    %r14d,%edx
0x7f9bff7b4329  <_hb_ot_shape+5881>:  mov 0xb0(%rbx),%rsi
0x7f9bff7b4330  <_hb_ot_shape+5888>:  mov    %rbx,%rdi
0x7f9bff7b4333  <_hb_ot_shape+5891>:  mov 0x98(%rax),%rcx
0x7f9bff7b433a  <_hb_ot_shape+5898>:  callq *0x178(%rax)
0x7f9bff7b4340  <_hb_ot_shape+5904>:  mov    %eax,%r14d
0x7f9bff7b4343  <_hb_ot_shape+5907>:  pxor   %xmm0,%xmm0
0x7f9bff7b4347  <_hb_ot_shape+5911>:  shr    $0x1f,%r14d
0x7f9bff7b434b  <_hb_ot_shape+5915>:  mov 0x20(%rsp),%rdx
0x7f9bff7b4350  

Re: [Evolution] open

[jeff...@g123.de]

OK,  got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs time with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked.Setup of evolution on that user takes a bit more time, but it is going. In fedora there is a debugger, I'll try that and see what it comes up with.Thank you all for your engagement and paatience with me.GottfriedSent from my Huawei Mobile Original Message Subject: Re: [Evolution] openFrom: Pete Biggs To: evolution-list@gnome.orgCC: > > let me make my problem more precise. Evolution works fine. It is in my > setting that something went wrong and all of a sudden it does not open > any more.> You never said if you use IMAP or POP?But in the back of my mind I seem to remember that there was some ISPsthat had some strange connection throttling restrictions on IMAP.  Onething you could try is to reduce the number of concurrent connectionsthat are used. Go to Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Accounts -> (Selectaccount) -> Edit -> Receiving Options and then reduce "Number ofconcurrent connections to use" to 1.Other places that can cause hangs are: spam filtering; remote addressbook issues; DNS issues. But they should all timeout eventually.As others have said, we need to see debugging output to know exactlywhat the issue is. You can see how to enable debugging for the variousmodules at https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/DebuggingIf you want to post any debugging output here (or elsewhere) make surethat any private information (such as email addresses or passwords) isremoved first - and don't post massive files here, use something likepastebin.P.___evolution-list mailing listevolution-list@gnome.orgTo change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list___
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 12:19 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > > And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD.
> > 
> > Nobody did, right? So why do you shout? 
> 
> Because when ever anyone on any Linux related mailing list mentions
> systemd it invariable descends into rants about it. I was attempting to
> pre-empt that. Sorry if I offended you with my caps-lock key.

One wonders why it happens all the time then. Could it be related to software?
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> let me make my problem more precise. Evolution works fine. It is in my 
> setting that something went wrong and all of a sudden it does not open 
> any more.
> 

You never said if you use IMAP or POP?

But in the back of my mind I seem to remember that there was some ISPs
that had some strange connection throttling restrictions on IMAP.  One
thing you could try is to reduce the number of concurrent connections
that are used. Go to Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Accounts -> (Select
account) -> Edit -> Receiving Options and then reduce "Number of
concurrent connections to use" to 1.

Other places that can cause hangs are: spam filtering; remote address
book issues; DNS issues. But they should all timeout eventually.

As others have said, we need to see debugging output to know exactly
what the issue is. You can see how to enable debugging for the various
modules at

 https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

If you want to post any debugging output here (or elsewhere) make sure
that any private information (such as email addresses or passwords) is
removed first - and don't post massive files here, use something like
pastebin.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 15:32 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I am not interested in configuring evolution with a different email.

No-one has asked you to do that. My recommendation was to create a new
*Linux user* (i.e. a new login on your local machine), then log into
that user account and run Evolution. And report what happens. It should
come up with a configuration screen.  You can also configure some of
your email accounts *under that new login* to see if they work. If the
accounts are IMAP, this will not affect anything. If they are POP then
configure the account(s) to leave mails on the server(s).

poc
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

Hi Gottfried,

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 15:32 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Could it be a problem though, that evolution, thunderbird and clawsmail 
> in one system don't like each other? or may just two of them.

Extremely unlikely, and wild guessing won't help debugging anything.

> The worst side of the problem is that I don't find warnings or comments 
> or anything indicating any error.

As mentioned several times now, we need debug output from you.

It sounds like Evolution "hangs" (does not respond to anything in the
user interface anymore) but does not "crash" (the application window
vanishes unexpectedly).

Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal window.
Then enter the command "gdb evolution". At the next prompt, enter the
command "run". Then make Evolution hang. Then enter the command "thread
apply all bt full". 
Then post the *complete* output of *all* those steps somewhere.

Thanks,
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 17:15 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> > Open a terminal and launch evolution from there.
> > 
> >evolution
> > 
> > For posting purpose (at https://pastebin.com/ or similar) you could
> > redirect all output to a log file.
> > 
> >evolution > /tmp/evolution.0.log 2>&1
> 
> OK, just did that. IF I run evolution from a user, it is just the same, 
> as if I run it from the panel.

Hi,

you run evolution as user in a terminal as long as it failed or just
when it worked? When redirecting the output to a log file you looked at
the log file?

> If I run it as root.

Don't run Evolution with root privileges. For testing purpose you could
add a new user and log in as this user.

> Can it be, that it does not close properly and therefore doesn't open 
> again?
  
  pkill -9 evolution

should kill everything containing evolution in it's name.

P l e a s e   s t o p   r e p l y i n gt o   m y   a d d r e s s e !
R e p l y   t o   t h e   m a i l i n g   l i s t!

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:32:11 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
>Could it be a problem though, that evolution, thunderbird and
>clawsmail in one system don't like each other? or may just two of them.

Hi,

let's ignore the dependency tree and optional dependencies and just
take a look at the direct hard dependencies of a distro, that doesn't
split software from upstream into several packages. Assuming the
packagers of your distro aren't idiots, they compile against the
appropriate dependencies, so regarding the versions of the dependencies
there aren't issues, as long as the official repositories follow a
reasonable policy. I don't use Thunderbird, but Sylpheed, Claws Mail
and Evolution.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q evolution evolution-data-server 
evolution-bogofilter evolution-spamassassin sylpheed claws-mail-git
evolution 3.26.3-1
evolution-data-server 3.26.3-1
evolution-bogofilter 3.26.3-1
evolution-spamassassin 3.26.3-1
sylpheed 3.6.0-3
claws-mail-git 3.16.0.r3.g174c03f19-1
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi evolution evolution-data-server 
evolution-bogofilter evolution-spamassassin sylpheed claws-mail-git | grep 
Depends\ On
Depends On  : gnome-desktop  evolution-data-server  libcanberra  libpst  
libytnef  dconf  gtkspell3  libcryptui  gnome-autoar
Depends On  : gnome-online-accounts  nss  krb5  libgweather  libical  db  
libgdata  libphonenumber
Depends On  : evolution=3.26.3  bogofilter
Depends On  : evolution=3.26.3  spamassassin
Depends On  : compface  gpgme  gtkspell
Depends On  : gtk2  gnutls  startup-notification  enchant  gpgme  libetpan  
compface  libsm  dbus-glib  hicolor-icon-theme  desktop-file-utils
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -qD /mnt/moonstudio/ apt -qq 
list claws-mail-git
claws-mail-git/now 3.16.0-3-g174c03-1 amd64 [installed,local]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/ | grep 
archlinux
lrwxrwxrwx  1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct  6  2015 .bogofilter -> 
/mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.bogofilter
lrwxrwxrwx  1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct  6  2015 .claws-mail -> 
/mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.claws-mail
lrwxrwxrwx  1 rocketmouse users 42 Oct  6  2015 Claws Mail -> 
/mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/Claws Mail
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -qD /mnt/moonstudio/ lsb_release 
-a
LSB Version:
core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
Release:16.04
Codename:   xenial
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:1.4
Distributor ID: Arch
Description:Arch Linux
Release:rolling
Codename:   n/a

I'm using POP accounts. Sylpheed, Claws and Evolution all use their own
directories to store emails, while only Claws and Evolution handle the
same POP servers to send and receive mails + they don't use the same
bogofilter as Sylpheed does and only Claws from Arch and Ubuntu
completely share all folders.

I never experienced that one MUA affected the other MUA, the only
positive impact is, that they share bogofilter, this has got
no negative affect.

I could imagine one issue. I'm doing everything manually, IOW I don't
automatically send queued messages and I don't automatically retrieve
messages, so there can't be any conflict. I guess if different MUAs
should access the same server at the same time, this anyway shouldn't
cause an issue, but you never know.

>The worst side of the problem is that I don't find warnings or
>comments or anything indicating any error. It just starts and hangs
>there.

Open a terminal and launch evolution from there.

  evolution

For posting purpose (at https://pastebin.com/ or similar) you could
redirect all output to a log file.

  evolution > /tmp/evolution.0.log 2>&1

>My backup is about 4.2 GB big (just emails), is that getting to the
>core of the problem?

It shouldn't be the culprit. I could imagine that an advanced search
could become an issue, but it shouldn't affect general duty.

Regards,
Ralf

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4.14.9-1
4.14.6_rt7-1
4.11.12_rt16-1
4.14.8_rt9-2

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Hi all,

let me make my problem more precise. Evolution works fine. It is in my 
setting that something went wrong and all of a sudden it does not open 
any more.


I installed evolution on a different PC. restored an older back-up and 
one or two times it loaded fine and then again, it did not want to open 
again.


I am not interested in configuring evolution with a different email. The 
reason is: I use evolution for my business emails and thunderbird for my 
private emails. I am not mentioning thunderbird as a problem, so no need 
to comment on that further. It is just to give the background that I am 
using different email clients for different reasons. Clawsmail is my 
security email, which is so restricted that it is only used for a 
certain group of people and absolute not public.


Could it be a problem though, that evolution, thunderbird and clawsmail 
in one system don't like each other? or may just two of them.


The worst side of the problem is that I don't find warnings or comments 
or anything indicating any error. It just starts and hangs there. The 
same thing happened on Linux mint, but then I would simply restart the 
whole system and evolution would just start again. Because linux mint, 
(and please this is only to mention the background) uses only an older 
version of evolution, whatever good reason they might have for it, I 
installed fedora in order to be able to use a more update version.


My backup is about 4.2 GB big (just emails), is that getting to the core 
of the problem?


:-)

greetings to you all.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 12:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:02 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.  
> > > > 
> > > > Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.
> > > 
> > > Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt.
> > > 
> > > "Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually
> > > small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the
> > > remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request
> > > for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as
> > > before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of
> > > these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note
> > > that this does not affect any data or configuration stored
> > > in your home directory." -
> > > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html
> > > 
> > > If an Ubuntu user should mess up a config in e.g. /etc, then
> > > uninstalling a package using "purge" and after that installing it again
> > > very well could solve an issue.
> > 
> > How is this relevant to Evolution?
> 
> It's relevant for this thread, since you spread misinformation about
> Linux. Next time users reading this don't try to solve an issue, that
> actually could be solved by purging and after that installing a package.

I wasn't aware I was 'spreading misinformation about Linux'. Apparently
Ubuntu has this feature called 'purge' which I've never heard of. Maybe
it comes from Debian, which I don't use. In any case a special 'purge'
option is not a standard feature of Linux. In the case of rpm-based
distros, including Fedora which I use, this the default behaviour.

I also see from your quote that '... this does not affect any data or
configuration stored in your home directory'. My recommendation to the
OP was to try a new configuration in a separate Linux account, which
*will* effectively eliminate the effects of any per-user configuration.
Since Evolution only stores config information in the user account,
using 'purge' is indeed a waste of time in the case of Evolution.

And I note that my actual statement was 'virtually always a waste of
time', which I maintain is the exact truth. The number of times this is
going to correct a problem, either by explicitly deleting config files
or by using something like 'purge' is a in my experience a tiny
minority of cases. In other words the problem is almost always
somewhere else.

> You could have written that purging Evolution and then installing it
> again, doesn't make much sense, but instead you claimed: "Virtually
> always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows." How is Windows relevant in
> the context of this thread?

Because reinstalling software is a standard recommendation when a
Windows user has a problem. It is definitely not a standard
recommendation in Linux.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> > And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD.
> 
> Nobody did, right? So why do you shout? 

Because when ever anyone on any Linux related mailing list mentions
systemd it invariable descends into rants about it. I was attempting to
pre-empt that. Sorry if I offended you with my caps-lock key.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:47:25 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
>This is getting a bit off topic 

Not my fault, actually I replied to

"On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:38:46 +0200, Gottfried wrote:

You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any
errors are produced there.  

How does that work?"

with this main statement:

"Open a terminal and run

  evolution"

A "FWIW" additional information followed.

>No, Andre is right. There is no ~/.xsession-errors on Fedora 27 (which
>the OP is using)

Andre didn't mention that Fedora doesn't use it. I wasn't aware of it,
since I simply don't use Fedora.

>And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD.

Nobody did, right? So why do you shout? They also ban developers from
other mailing lists for shouting, especially if there is absolutely no
reason to do this.

As an Arch Linux users for many years, I much likely was one of the
first users subscribed to this mailing list using systemd. There's no
relationship between using Wayland or X, the ~/.xsession-errors file
and systemd's journal.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pgrep -a systemd
1 /sbin/init
231 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald
250 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
468 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-logind
566 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hl .xsession-errors 
-rw--- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 5.0K Dec 29 12:52 .xsession-errors

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

This is getting a bit off topic 

> > 
> > No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X.
> > And I'd doubt anyway that this would be any helpful.
> 
> There even necessarily is ~/.xsession-errors when running X, as long as
> the user doesn't redirect the output or the user chose a display manager
> doing this.

No, Andre is right. There is no ~/.xsession-errors on Fedora 27 (which
the OP is using), nor is there in any modern incarnations of
Wayland/Gnome. Fedora hasn't used .xsession-errors for sometime.

The log output of the display server is sent to the systemd journal.
Find out which unit your logs go to by searching for the unit of type
'scope' and then view it with journalctl. 

$ systemctl list-units -t scope
UNIT LOAD   ACTIVE SUB DESCRIPTION   
...
session-2.scope  loaded active running Session 2 of user pete
...

$ journalctl -b -u session-2.scope   

And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD.  It is what it is.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:02 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.  
> > > 
> > > Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.
> > 
> > Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt.
> > 
> > "Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually
> > small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the
> > remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request
> > for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as
> > before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of
> > these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note
> > that this does not affect any data or configuration stored
> > in your home directory." -
> > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html
> > 
> > If an Ubuntu user should mess up a config in e.g. /etc, then
> > uninstalling a package using "purge" and after that installing it again
> > very well could solve an issue.
> 
> How is this relevant to Evolution?

It's relevant for this thread, since you spread misinformation about
Linux. Next time users reading this don't try to solve an issue, that
actually could be solved by purging and after that installing a package.

You could have written that purging Evolution and then installing it
again, doesn't make much sense, but instead you claimed: "Virtually
always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows." How is Windows relevant in
the context of this thread?

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 11:27 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the
> > output
> > of all running GUI apps.
> 
> No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X.
> And I'd doubt anyway that this would be any helpful.

There even necessarily is ~/.xsession-errors when running X, as long as
the user doesn't redirect the output or the user chose a display manager
doing this. That's why I've written "FWIW" and "usually", let alone that
I first explained how to run evolution from command line. However, while
 reading the mixture of output redirected to ~/.xsession-errors often
isn't that clear as running a GUI app from command line, it still could
be very helpful, if a culprit e.g. is easy to "grep" by terms such as
"error", "evolution", "lib", in addition with "| grep -v -i warning" to
eliminate all the waste, that isn't filtered when simply launching an
app from command line. Résumé: Mentioning ~/.xsession-errors makes very
well sense. There is a reason that this file usually is provided by
default installs of user-friendly distros, even if they migrated already
to Wayland while a lot of issues caused by Wayland still aren't solved
yet. AFAIK know for good reason they allow still to chose between a
Wayland and a X user session by the display manager's greater.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the
> output
> of all running GUI apps.

No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X.
And I'd doubt anyway that this would be any helpful.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.  
> > 
> > Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.
> 
> Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt.
> 
> "Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually
> small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the
> remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request
> for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as
> before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of
> these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note
> that this does not affect any data or configuration stored
> in your home directory." -
> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html
> 
> If an Ubuntu user should mess up a config in e.g. /etc, then
> uninstalling a package using "purge" and after that installing it again
> very well could solve an issue.

How is this relevant to Evolution?

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:38:46 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
>> You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
>> are produced there.  
>How does that work?

Open a terminal and run

  evolution

FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the output
of all running GUI apps.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.  
>
>Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.

Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt.

"Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually
small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the
remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request
for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as
before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of
these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note
that this does not affect any data or configuration stored
in your home directory." -
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html

If an Ubuntu user should mess up a config in e.g. /etc, then
uninstalling a package using "purge" and after that installing it again
very well could solve an issue.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
are produced there.
did that and it opens Evloution just until it would ask for the passowrd 
and then get's hanged up. Doesn't do anything anymore.


I did a back-up a few days ago, and with that it runs perfect. You know, 
restore with back-up and so on. Does that solve the problem, or would it 
come up in the next days again?

Well exactly the same problem came up after a restart.


Did you do as Patrick suggested and create a new *Linux* user, login in
as that new user and configure Evolution? Does Evolution work then?
still need to figure out, how that works. But I am on it. If I add the 
backup, it definitely won't.


P.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 20:33 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I am on Fedora as OS and use the 3.26.1 version of Evolution.

Update Fedora, Evolution should be on 3.26.3 on F27. It won't solve
your problem, but you should keep a dynamic OS like Fedora up to date.

(And don't top post on this mailing list - people don't like it)

> 
> I used the back-up on a different PC and it worked out the same way. By 
> my comments you know that I don't know much. I suspect, that I 
> unintentionally saved a wrong password. I never save passwords but then 
> again, I type sometimes faster than I think... Sorry.
> 
> Is there a way I could delete that password? Any backdoor?

If you the menus still work you can do Edit -> Preferences -> Mail
Accounts -> (select account) -> Edit -> Receiving E-mail  and then
click on "Forget password".  Evolution will always remember what ever
password you type in, otherwise you would be typing it every few
minutes.

But I suspect that's not the problem - if it were the wrong password
the login would fail and you would be prompted for the password.

You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
are produced there.

Did you do as Patrick suggested and create a new *Linux* user, login in
as that new user and configure Evolution? Does Evolution work then?

P.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

I am on Fedora as OS and use the 3.26.1 version of Evolution.

I used the back-up on a different PC and it worked out the same way. By 
my comments you know that I don't know much. I suspect, that I 
unintentionally saved a wrong password. I never save passwords but then 
again, I type sometimes faster than I think... Sorry.


Is there a way I could delete that password? Any backdoor?

Gottfried


On 28/12/17 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 16:50 +0200, Gottfried wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version.

Which version exactly?


when I try to
open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets
stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.

Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.

Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.


Even the opening of the back-up file on
another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I
simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does
anybody have a suggestion?

Create a new Linux user and log in. Run Evolution. Configure some mail
account(s) and try them. Let us know what  happens.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 16:50 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version.

Which version exactly?

> when I try to 
> open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets 
> stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.
> 
> Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.

Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.

> Even the opening of the back-up file on 
> another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I 
> simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does 
> anybody have a suggestion?

Create a new Linux user and log in. Run Evolution. Configure some mail
account(s) and try them. Let us know what  happens.

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[Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Hi all,

I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version. when I try to 
open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets 
stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.


Uninstalled it, reinstalled it. Even the opening of the back-up file on 
another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I 
simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does 
anybody have a suggestion?


Gottfried

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[Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

[Emre Erenoglu]

Hi,

I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
13.10)

I know evolution displays the attached mails in a widget box below the mail
itself in the same reading window, but i don't want that since there are
mails with too many attached mails and it becomes a mess to pick  read.
Besides, those mails can also have attached emails inside them, so more
complexity. So i need the attached mails to open in a seperate Evolution
mail reader window.

Is this supported?

PS. these mail attachments seem not to contain any extension

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[Evolution] Open attached mails in seperate window?

[Emre Erenoglu]

Hi,

I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
13.10)

I know evolution displays the attached mails in a widget box below the mail
itself in the same reading window, but i don't want that since there are
mails with too many attached mails and it becomes a mess to pick  read.
Besides, those mails can also have attached emails inside them, so more
complexity.

Is this supported?

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Re: [Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

[Andre Klapper]

On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:46 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
 ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
 13.10)

Did you try changing the default application handler for that MIME type
in the settings of your desktop? Looks like it is set to Kmail
currently.

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Re: [Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

[Emre Erenoglu]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:46 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
  ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
  13.10)

 Did you try changing the default application handler for that MIME type
 in the settings of your desktop? Looks like it is set to Kmail
 currently.


Thanks Andre. I will try this. But how can evolution launch a window for a
mail? When I tried to launch it with a paremeter to a mail file (ending
with .eml), it did not launch.

Of course, my sistem is very fragile due to jhbuild environment, evolution
can't launch alone and needs jhbuild run dbus-launch --exit-with-session
evolution command to launch. So maybe this is also related.

Not sure how I can add this to a MIME type as an open command.

Br,
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Re: [Evolution] Open Web Page on task does nothing

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 11:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 I have a CalDAV to-do list.  The tasks all have a URL property that
 appears in Open Task - Details: Web Page.  And I can click on the
 'go' button next to that field in the dialog and go to the web page.
 But right-clicking on a task in the task list view and selecting Open
 Web Page does nothing as far as I can tell.  Any tips?  The other
 mechanism [using the dialog] is rather more cumbersome.

Hi,
there was a typo in the code, a bug, that prevented it to work. There is
no way to workaround it. I fixed it in:
Created commit a051d7e in evo master (2.91.1+)
Created commit d8a7342 in evo gnome-2-32 (2.32.1+)
Thanks and bye,
Milan

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[Evolution] Open Web Page on task does nothing

[Adam Tauno Williams]

I have a CalDAV to-do list.  The tasks all have a URL property that
appears in Open Task - Details: Web Page.  And I can click on the
'go' button next to that field in the dialog and go to the web page.
But right-clicking on a task in the task list view and selecting Open
Web Page does nothing as far as I can tell.  Any tips?  The other
mechanism [using the dialog] is rather more cumbersome.

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[Evolution] Open .dat files

[Chris Blake]

Greetings community,

I need to open .dat files in Evolution.

I searched the archives for a solution to this and only found this :

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2002-November/thread.html

Reading all the mails that came up about this topic leaves me to believe
that Evolution can not yet open .dat files inline.

I installed ytnef/tneg packages but this will only open the files if I
first save them to my drive and then run ytnef -f filename.dat, which
is not ideal.

Can someone please offer some advice, or a pointer to a good tutorial
that will allow me to set this up.

Thank you for your assistance.


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[Evolution] open a single e-mail from a file

[Brian J. Murrell]

If I had a single e-mail in mbox format in a file, is there any way to
get evolution (2.4.24) to simply open that message in a message reading
window?

I am aware that I can use File-Import to read it into an existing
folder, but that's a bit cumbersome to simply open a message, say, to be
able to reply to it.

Here's the use-case.  Some mailing list archivers, like lurker will
allow you to download a single message as a message/rfc822
Content-Type.

For example if you look at this archive message:
http://teams.debian.net/lurker/message/20090127.204350.b75d5f48.en.html
you can see in the top right corner there is an Attachments: box.  The
first is a Message as e-mail, which if yo click on it, you will get
the full message with a content-type of message/rfc822.

It would be nice to be able to easily get that message in an evolution
reading window, say, to reply to it.

Thots?

b.



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Re: [Evolution] Can Evolution open by default on Calendar instead of Mail?

[timzak]

Matthew Barnes wrote:
 
 On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 09:44 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
  Hi,
 run command:
 
 $ evolution --component=calendar
 
 There's usually a launcher in the system's applications menu, I have it
 filled as Office-Calendar.
 
 Actually that's only on older Fedora/RHEL releases, and I've since done
 away with that.  But you could add a launcher to your panel and change
 its command as Milan suggested (right-click, Properties).  Could even
 change the icon to a calendar if you want.
 
 Matthew Barnes

Thanks, I will try it.  I cannot get calendar reminders to pop up on my
screen (they only show a small notification icon in the notification area)
so I keep missing appointments.  Since no one here or on Ubuntu forums seems
to know how to fix this, my workaround is for Evolution to open on the
Calendar page when I launch it.  This way I can see my upcoming events.  If
you happen to know how to make my reminders pop up a window on my desktop
automatically, I am all ears.

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[Evolution] Can Evolution open by default on Calendar instead of Mail?

[timzak]

Is it possible to have Evolution open the Calendar by default when the
program is first loaded -- instead of opening up on the Mail page?
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