Internal relay test
Does anyone have a utility to test relaying through a isolated relay? I have built an IMSS server, to take over the task of relaying from Exchange for internal use. The server points internal mail to Exchange and external to another IMSS server on the DMZ. Normally I would telnet in and send it from my mail account, but since this server does not have any accounts I am not sure what the best way to do this is? Any ideas? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Internal relay test
It is restricted to certain hosts; I can add any host in there for testing. Nathan -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internal relay test If it were an open relay, it would let you send mail from any From address regardless of whether or not you have a valid account. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Internal relay test Does anyone have a utility to test relaying through a isolated relay? I have built an IMSS server, to take over the task of relaying from Exchange for internal use. The server points internal mail to Exchange and external to another IMSS server on the DMZ. Normally I would telnet in and send it from my mail account, but since this server does not have any accounts I am not sure what the best way to do this is? Any ideas? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Powercontrols
I am running version 2.0. Server is 2000 SP4 and the backup device is an LT02. Typically the catalog process, on backup exec using an LT01 is a couple of minutes for a 100GB. I have been running Powercontrols for 15 hours and it has managed to catalog 122GB. We were hoping this would reduce the amount of time to restore, not increase. It could be a configuration issue with the new LT02 we are using, but I have no idea because Ontrack tell me it depends, and will not give any indication whether the time lag might be with the device or the software. I had to build a new device and use our brand new, not yet tested LT02, as they insisted I install the windows drivers over the veritas drivers. Since the backup server is production, I decided it better to try the new hardware on a new server specifically for the task. Since I have invested all this time to try and save time, I don't want to give up on this but I am hesitant to install windows drivers over the veritas on the production server, what do others think? -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols It depends on db size. It will take quite a while. Are you running 2.0? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Ontracks support is useless for powercontrols. How long does it take the people using Ontrack to catalog the tapes? Nathan -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Have you actually loaded the tape in the drive? It needs to be in the drive instead of an open slot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Powercontrols I need to restore 5 mailboxes over three different periods of time. The Exchange restore server was recently taken away for a different project, so rather than recreating the restore environment I thought it a good time to try Powercontrols. I have used it before and liked it. Ok long introduction over. I have installed Extract Wizard on Backup Exec Server. I have installed Powercontrols on member server. I have placed first tape in Slot 1. Extract Wizard sees the drives but does not see the tape inside. The problem, according to ontrack (powercontrols), is we need the Windows drivers, rather than Veritas Drivers. They are telling me to install the windows drivers, as the product does not use the veritas drivers; I don't need to call Veritas to know this will be bad for our production backups. What do those who use Powercontrol in the same environment do? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Powercontrols
With the help of Compaq we were able to determine that we should be able to write 2:1 compression using the existing hardware at 1GB every 10 seconds. Powercontrols catalogs at 1 GB every 1 hour. What do other people get for a 1GB catalog? -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols It depends on db size. It will take quite a while. Are you running 2.0? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Ontracks support is useless for powercontrols. How long does it take the people using Ontrack to catalog the tapes? Nathan -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Have you actually loaded the tape in the drive? It needs to be in the drive instead of an open slot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Powercontrols I need to restore 5 mailboxes over three different periods of time. The Exchange restore server was recently taken away for a different project, so rather than recreating the restore environment I thought it a good time to try Powercontrols. I have used it before and liked it. Ok long introduction over. I have installed Extract Wizard on Backup Exec Server. I have installed Powercontrols on member server. I have placed first tape in Slot 1. Extract Wizard sees the drives but does not see the tape inside. The problem, according to ontrack (powercontrols), is we need the Windows drivers, rather than Veritas Drivers. They are telling me to install the windows drivers, as the product does not use the veritas drivers; I don't need to call Veritas to know this will be bad for our production backups. What do those who use Powercontrol in the same environment do? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Powercontrols
I need to restore 5 mailboxes over three different periods of time. The Exchange restore server was recently taken away for a different project, so rather than recreating the restore environment I thought it a good time to try Powercontrols. I have used it before and liked it. Ok long introduction over. I have installed Extract Wizard on Backup Exec Server. I have installed Powercontrols on member server. I have placed first tape in Slot 1. Extract Wizard sees the drives but does not see the tape inside. The problem, according to ontrack (powercontrols), is we need the Windows drivers, rather than Veritas Drivers. They are telling me to install the windows drivers, as the product does not use the veritas drivers; I don't need to call Veritas to know this will be bad for our production backups. What do those who use Powercontrol in the same environment do? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Powercontrols
doh -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Have you actually loaded the tape in the drive? It needs to be in the drive instead of an open slot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Powercontrols I need to restore 5 mailboxes over three different periods of time. The Exchange restore server was recently taken away for a different project, so rather than recreating the restore environment I thought it a good time to try Powercontrols. I have used it before and liked it. Ok long introduction over. I have installed Extract Wizard on Backup Exec Server. I have installed Powercontrols on member server. I have placed first tape in Slot 1. Extract Wizard sees the drives but does not see the tape inside. The problem, according to ontrack (powercontrols), is we need the Windows drivers, rather than Veritas Drivers. They are telling me to install the windows drivers, as the product does not use the veritas drivers; I don't need to call Veritas to know this will be bad for our production backups. What do those who use Powercontrol in the same environment do? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Powercontrols
Ontracks support is useless for powercontrols. How long does it take the people using Ontrack to catalog the tapes? Nathan -Original Message- From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Powercontrols Have you actually loaded the tape in the drive? It needs to be in the drive instead of an open slot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Powercontrols I need to restore 5 mailboxes over three different periods of time. The Exchange restore server was recently taken away for a different project, so rather than recreating the restore environment I thought it a good time to try Powercontrols. I have used it before and liked it. Ok long introduction over. I have installed Extract Wizard on Backup Exec Server. I have installed Powercontrols on member server. I have placed first tape in Slot 1. Extract Wizard sees the drives but does not see the tape inside. The problem, according to ontrack (powercontrols), is we need the Windows drivers, rather than Veritas Drivers. They are telling me to install the windows drivers, as the product does not use the veritas drivers; I don't need to call Veritas to know this will be bad for our production backups. What do those who use Powercontrol in the same environment do? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Outsourcing email?
List, What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini? For our environment it is a choice of using Postini internally (via existing Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini. What do people think of sending mail to another service? Personally I have concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs once we are with them, response times for emergency etc. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, You are wasting our time. How ethical is it to waste a bunch of professional's people's time, which have better things to be doing and reading. Reply to those that care. STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Boy, I hate to jump in, but perhaps I can end this... Greg, in the absolute, you are correct. Accepting *anything* of *any* value whatsoever from third parties that stand to gain from your relationship to your client could be considered a breach of ethics - in the absolute. Even if the gift (title, free software, pencils..) does not influence, the perception of the relationship to the third party is still tainted. Note I say could be. The crux is in the context. Does your client expect objectivity on your part? That is the critical difference. If an IT professional bills themselves as providing the very best vendor neutral solution, then accepting vendor gifts (even titles) could be considered a breach of ethics. Disclosure is another big factor. Has the relationship between you and the third party been disclosed to the client? For example, If I hire a lawyer to sue a company, I would every right to expect that the lawyer not be getting any gratuities whatsoever from that company. If the lawyer were receiving anything of value (even titles, which could enhance their status) from the company, that would be a breech of ethics. Furthermore, I'd expect any past relationship with the company be disclosed fully to me. Failure of this, even if the lawyer's performance wasn't actually swayed in the slightest, would still create a perception of impropriety. Now, if I call up the local Trane dealer for a new furnace, I certainly don't expect any objectivity on from him/her. It is not a problem if Trane has bestowed titles, free trips to the Bahamas, fish tacos, or any other gratuity to him/her. In fact, the more the better, since that means they are more than likely competent at what they do. I'd say IT consultants dealing with Exchange are in the second group. Most pitch MS solutions, and make no claims of objectivity. Also, when an IT professional uses something like Microsoft MVP after their name, that serves as a disclosure to the client that there is an existing relationship between the consultant and Microsoft. For sure ethics standards are a slippery beast and make for an ever changing landscape. It would be simpler if the whole world adopted the not even the appearance of impropriety standard, but that just isn't going to happen. Therefore, every profession defines, and continually redefines the line that divides ethical from unethical. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC ETHICS. Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you want to throw at it, this
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, -Original Message- From: ml.exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Greg, please crawl back under your rock and die now. We REALLY REALLY REALLY do not care about your position on this or ANY other issue anymore. You have stated it 50 times now so PLEASE move on! This was amusing at first, but this silly ass thread was finally starting to die and now you go and start it again with this bloody drivel. JUST STOP POSTING IT HERE! That's all any of us want. This is the Exchange Admin List. Not the IT Ethics list. Go back to your rock, create the IT Ethics list, and then post whatever the hell you like THERE! I might even be inclined to subscribe and post my thoughts on the matter. YOUR POST DOES NOT BELONG ON THIS LIST! Miles -- Miles Holt, MCP Network Engineer Summit Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770-303-0426 -- Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering mistakes. Real boats rock. - Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse:Dune -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, for some reason beyond my comprehension people seem to have this odd fascination with my views on ethics in IT. They are so fascinated that every time I post something to this list, they bring it up. In the interests of trying to move past this, you can get your fix of my crazed views on ethics in the form of a free monthly newsletter, The IT Ethics Newsletter. Details can be found at http://www.infonition.com/ethics I have not yet covered the Conflict of Interest topic but I'm sure that it will come up eventually. Until then, here is how I see the two sides. Greg: Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is why companies have limits on the type and dollar amount of gifts that employees can accept from third parties. Because MVP is primarily a title and titles are priceless, there are obvious grounds for a potential conflict of interest. And it does not matter if the conflict of interest is real or perceived. The whole point of ethics and conflict of interest rules is to help keep people from getting into ethical trouble and to remove even the specter or impropriety. The Other Side: The MVP title is not unethical. In fact, it does not matter what you do or who you accept gifts from or what the type or dollar amount of those gifts, it will never, ever constitute a conflict of interest. Furthermore, there is really no such thing as a conflict of interest. This whole conflict of interest nonsense is, in fact, an evil plot propagated by the secretive Illuminati. Obviously, the Illuminati have corrupted Greg's brain and the brains of all of the corporations that have rules against accepting gifts. Don't become another victim! Even if God himself comes down and points out that something is obviously a potential conflict of interest, argue with God because the Illuminati have obviously gotten to him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
This is not the platform for these type of debates. This is a professional forum about Exchange. http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=ethics Many forums will discuss this stuff, go somewhere more appropriate. If this forum were moderated these people would have received warnings by now. Nathan -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You can always delete these emails if you arent interested. -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, You are wasting our time. How ethical is it to waste a bunch of professional's people's time, which have better things to be doing and reading. Reply to those that care. STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Boy, I hate to jump in, but perhaps I can end this... Greg, in the absolute, you are correct. Accepting *anything* of *any* value whatsoever from third parties that stand to gain from your relationship to your client could be considered a breach of ethics - in the absolute. Even if the gift (title, free software, pencils..) does not influence, the perception of the relationship to the third party is still tainted. Note I say could be. The crux is in the context. Does your client expect objectivity on your part? That is the critical difference. If an IT professional bills themselves as providing the very best vendor neutral solution, then accepting vendor gifts (even titles) could be considered a breach of ethics. Disclosure is another big factor. Has the relationship between you and the third party been disclosed to the client? For example, If I hire a lawyer to sue a company, I would every right to expect that the lawyer not be getting any gratuities whatsoever from that company. If the lawyer were receiving anything of value (even titles, which could enhance their status) from the company, that would be a breech of ethics. Furthermore, I'd expect any past relationship with the company be disclosed fully to me. Failure of this, even if the lawyer's performance wasn't actually swayed in the slightest, would still create a perception of impropriety. Now, if I call up the local Trane dealer for a new furnace, I certainly don't expect any objectivity on from him/her. It is not a problem if Trane has bestowed titles, free trips to the Bahamas, fish tacos, or any other gratuity to him/her. In fact, the more the better, since that means they are more than likely competent at what they do. I'd say IT consultants dealing with Exchange are in the second group. Most pitch MS solutions, and make no claims of objectivity. Also, when an IT professional uses something like Microsoft MVP after their name, that serves as a disclosure to the client that there is an existing relationship between the consultant and Microsoft. For sure ethics standards are a slippery beast and make for an ever changing landscape. It would be simpler if the whole world adopted the not even the appearance of impropriety standard, but that just isn't going to happen. Therefore, every profession defines, and continually redefines the line that divides ethical from unethical. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
This forum should be 99% Exchange, when it is more like 30% it becomes pointless for the majority of subscribers. I am a professional who works with Exchange; I use this forum for work. It is the responsibility of those who wish to use the forum for personal purposes to take it off list. It is not like this thread is a few day's old. I've made my point and I am not adding anything more to the list. If you have something to say to challenge my point of view, I would be happy to e-mail you directly. -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Truly. I would much rather read off-topic posts, which this list has a history and culture of tolerating, than have to read the Quit posting off-topic messages messages, which are off-topic themselves! Nathan, why not just Sort by Conversation topic, and then you can ignore it ? Really, probably the only thing that you are doing is causing people to killfile your STOP posts. It's much better to use your own sorting and killfiling abilities, than to make other people stop posting. There, that was a post about Outlook, which isn't Exchange either, but is generally considered on topic for this list. Funny how life's like that sometime, isn't it? Jim -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Who says? Feel free to ask for your money back, otherwise delete anything you don't like or unsub. If you really want this thread to die, stop responding to it. Besides, shouldn't you be preparing for the Rose Bowl? -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This is not the platform for these type of debates. This is a professional forum about Exchange. http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=ethics Many forums will discuss this stuff, go somewhere more appropriate. If this forum were moderated these people would have received warnings by now. Nathan -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You can always delete these emails if you arent interested. -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, You are wasting our time. How ethical is it to waste a bunch of professional's people's time, which have better things to be doing and reading. Reply to those that care. STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, STOP,STOP, -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Boy, I hate to jump in, but perhaps I can end this... Greg, in the absolute, you are correct. Accepting *anything* of *any* value whatsoever from third parties that stand to gain from your relationship to your client could be considered a breach of ethics - in the absolute. Even if the gift (title, free software, pencils..) does not influence, the perception of the relationship to the third party is still tainted. Note I say could be. The crux is in the context. Does your client expect objectivity on your part? That is the critical difference. If an IT professional bills themselves as providing the very best vendor neutral solution, then accepting vendor gifts (even titles) could be considered a breach of ethics. Disclosure is another big factor. Has the relationship between you and the third party been disclosed to the client? For example, If I hire a lawyer to sue a company, I would every right to expect that the lawyer not be getting any gratuities whatsoever from that company. If the lawyer were receiving anything of value (even titles, which could enhance their status) from the company, that would be a breech of ethics. Furthermore, I'd expect any past relationship with the company be disclosed fully to me. Failure of this, even if the lawyer's performance wasn't actually swayed in the slightest, would still create a perception
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
The next person who wants to add something to this thread, please send your message directly to those who have demonstrated they care. It might be a little hard work the first time, but then all you have to do is hit reply to all. This list is not for you personal arguments. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Then tell people to quit bringing it up. Then quit beating this dead horse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
These types of fights happen every few months on this list, and they are always aired in public. The resulting witch hunts can go too far, we should try and stop the insults when personal slurs are made at people's reputations. No individual becomes a winner or loser, just the list as good contributors often leave as a result. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
Sorry Eric, when you have spent over 3 years on this list, different aliases, you will appreciate that some of the new contributors' posts can be a little irritating. Talking of irritating contributors what happened to Richard Tenner? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
Their was also an Adrian something or other who used to post incomplete questions, and was totally oblivious to follow ups asking him to elaborate. Yet he would always post more incomplete questions. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Tener, Avi Smith-Rapaport and Mark Hanji do no longer post here nor have I seen anything from them in the last 6 months. -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Boyd, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Sorry Eric, when you have spent over 3 years on this list, different aliases, you will appreciate that some of the new contributors' posts can be a little irritating. Talking of irritating contributors what happened to Richard Tenner? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter
RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off
Tener was genius! Although I think Martin Blackstone may disagree. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Tener, Avi Smith-Rapaport and Mark Hanji do no longer post here nor have I seen anything from them in the last 6 months. -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Boyd, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off Sorry Eric, when you have spent over 3 years on this list, different aliases, you will appreciate that some of the new contributors' posts can be a little irritating. Talking of irritating contributors what happened to Richard Tenner? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off It was meant to be a joke, a funny, a juxaposition of disprate ideas used to make spontaneous contractions of the lower abdominal muscles. I was suggesting that we (the list) would be glad to offer our support during his transition, for a nominal fee. This is of course absurd because offering our support for free is what we do anyways. You really should get out more often! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off You mean as opposed to PSS? What benefits could you provide that Microsoft can not? Will you offer full support for less than $245, and if all fails send a team of engineers on site? Or are you suggesting this is not a relevant discussion item for this list? -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I'm sure that this discussion list would be glad to provide support for you during you transition, for a nominal fee, of course! ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Migrating Exchange 5.5 with PSS cut off I am a fellow Exchange 5.5 customer who is thinking about migrating to 2000 or 2003 next year. The question is related to Microsoft ceasing support of 5.5 at the end of next year, and how others are managing their migrations because of it. We have a native 2000 AD network with a half dozen or so 5.5 servers. The databases are stored on the SAN, we have 2000 user accounts, OWA and Public folders are fully utilized. The issue is we are time constrained with a more important project that does not end until August next year (I'm sure that sounds familiar to many of you). Currently that project is all encompassing and we do not plan to invest time in the mail migration until the other project is fully completed. Ideally I would have the Exchange migration already completed before the time we are currently planning to start it. My concern is we need a decent cushion of time before 5.5 support ends, incase of interoperability problems, I envisage a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 migration. It may be that in a mixed 5.5 2k/2k3 environment MS would provide support while we fully move to a support Exchange, even after the PSS cut off time. Any thoughts would be appreciated, am I being over concerned, or should I be pushing to make this more important? E-mail is as important a component to our organization as most people, just the other project is moving our main premises to a new location, including datacenter. Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Can anybody help with this ?
Ed truly is psychic. I received his response a good 10 minutes before the question was asked. Genius! -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Can anybody help with this ? Yes, looks like they're down. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RBHATIA Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Can anybody help with this ? My organization is having problems sending email to a user @tampabay.rr.com I tried to do an NSLOOKUP and found a host of different MX records for this domain. However when I try to telnet to them I can't seem to connect. Can anybody try and let me know the results ? The problem is that our emails do reach them but after a long delay. They claim that they haven't had any problems from other people and that the problem only comes from our end. Help would be appreciated ! Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM filtering on a budget
My advice would be to find someone who does know Linux (a student, maybe?) and have them assist you in setting up a Linux/SpamAssassin box. There are many, many guides available on the Internet to do this sort of thing. ___ If you are a pure Microsoft shop I would consider the costs of moving from a standardized environment for just one product. It is not just an issue of today's installation, of course you will need to learn linux/unix spamassassin and sendmail, which is fun, and then learn how to support it. You should also consider how the company will support non standard NOS in the future i.e. when you leave, especially if spamassasin becomes the gateway, therefore becoming a critical system. I learnt UNIX at UC Berkeley, so don't take me as a Microsoft centric person, but I have seen the implications of this move. Network Environments that are mainly Microsoft standard and start adding a couple of free Linux boxes for a saving of a couple of grand tend to end up spending a lot more in the long run. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
