RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Dude, STFU. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now consider you incapable of having any type of intelligent discussion based on the fact that you choose to ignore 2/3rds of what was posted, or should I just assume that you chose not to discuss those points because you couldn't keep your I have my Ethics argument and all this would be moot? Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So you are going to quibble with things that I said? You people are so whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you when I was called a liar or a wife beater or stupid or idiot or that I starve children. All of that is OK in your whacky bizarro world, but explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in email for Christ's sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! How could you SAY such a thing. Never mind the liar, stupid, idiot stuff, THAT, sir, is uncalled for. Bob, you amaze me. You know, I'm just as happy to NOT read this dribble, but when someone points out so wonderfully how ethical they are, and we can all go to=20 www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml to prove it, then someone like me just might go there and read, and low and behold what is it we find? =20 Well, this character Greg, wants us all
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Given our current message volume. I'm sure we all remember these... http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html --steve PS: Dude, STFU. Steve Hanna Network/Systems Administrator Niagara Plumbing Supply Company Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is nothing common about sense. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN MORE SPAM
You don't understand the definition of spam so I suggest that you may also STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Troels Majlandt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SV: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN MORE SPAM AGAIN MORE SPAM -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Greg Deckler Sendt: 22. december 2003 20:57 Til: Exchange Discussions Emne: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics John, you post some intelligent stuff I have to say. Yes, there is an order of magnitude argument to be had in all of this and you argue it well. I base my position on a couple of premises, but the main argument is: Titles are absolutely priceless and have the potential to be much, much more corrupting than any monetary gift. For proof, I will simply point to this entire discussion now 8 years old. At the mere mention that there *might* be a conflict of interest problem with the MVP title, which is what I posted 8 years ago, it has generated thousands upon thousands of hateful emails, dragged on over 8 YEARS and people STILL cannot let it go. That, in and of itself, proves how corrupting an influence it is. People are SO covetous of it that they cannot abide even the mere SUGGESTION that there might be an ethical conflict. Very true. But surely the greater motivational force in these cases would be If they don't go for product X in which I am an expert they will not employ me. rather than If they don't go for product X in which I am an MVP then there will be a slightly smaller online user community for me to help and so my chances of retaining my MVP status will be diminished. There is a much more powerful conflict of interests at work with any paid consultancy than the MVP programme could ever produce. If I had a million dollars (cue Barenakedladies tunes lodged in heads) to spend on upgrading my mail system to Exchange 2003 but was worried it would be a more troublesome process than it appears and so had decided to hire Ed as a consultant to advise me on whether or not to proceed would it be the MVP award, even if it meant a lot to him, or the chance of getting his hands on (part of) the million dollars that I should be concerned might make him recommend the upgrade even if it was not in my interests? The MVP is orders of magnitude smaller than the greats vats of cash sloshing round this industry and is trivial in comparison as are any conflicts of interest it might otherwise be able to produce. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:58 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The second scenario still presents the potential for a conflict of interest. If you are accepting gifts from vendors then you may not be forthcoming with all information about problems or issues with the system that might cause the client to choose NOT to migrate, hold off on migration, etc. Still the potential for conflict of interest. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 People mis-characterize and read things into my posts that are not there. This one I have to do in-line. First of all, I've seen plenty of statements by people who accurately depict reasons that your opinion is bunk. You've either not read or not comprehended them. No one in 8 years has proven the statement flawed or illogical that when you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry that it presents a real or perceived conflict of interest. This has been the point since day one, is the point today and will be the point tomorrow and the next day and the next. I've seen your comments repeatedly over the years, and continue to disagree with them. Its also painfully obvious to a casual observer that you're using incorrect statements in defense of your position. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. While this is technically accurate, in fact it is inaccurate. Both these professions require licenses to practice. Lawyers who decide to cross a relatively arbitrary line involving a conflict of interest can and have been disbarred - in other words, their license to practice law is revoked. Doctors, too, can have their medical license suspended or revoked. In either case, they are not allowed to practice their profession without that license. Ergo, those professions' codes of ethics *are*, if somewhat indirect, law. Yes, I understand and know all that, but that was not the point. Ethics go far, far beyond mere laws. Lawyers can be disbarred for ethics violations but not face any criminal prosecution. Yes, they can also be disbarred AND face criminal prosecution, but the point was made in response to an argument that indicated that ALL ethics must be legislated. Don't take things out of context. Your most asinine statements, however, are your explicit statements that being awarded a vendor sponsored honor automatically removes any and all objectivity for those on whom the honor is bestowed. The fact that you repeatedly use that argument shows me how weak your argument really is, especially since you can't show a single instance of where this actually has happened. I don't say this. I say that it is a real or perceived conflict of interest and hence a violation of basic ethics. I have stated repeatedly that MVP's may well NEVER cause anyone to ACT unethically. And guess what? It is irrelevant, it is still a real or perceived conflict of interest. What part of this are you missing? Because the MVP community is both under NDA's to Microsoft and also has private community newsgroups, you don't see that MVP's as a group are some of the most critical of Microsoft's products and policies. But none of that matters to you, because we're all just in Microsoft's pockets anyways. Its not like 12 of the 24 servers I've deployed this year run non-Microsoft OS's or anything.[1] Again, it does not matter if MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread, results in world peace and gives every starving kid a home. None of that changes that it is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Again, it matters not one bit if MVP's act unethically or not, it is a conflict of interest plain and simple. I would be willing to bet that most if not all of the MVP's do NOT act unethically because of the title. Guess what? Doesn't matter. Still an violation of basic conflict of interest rules. So, I think its fair to say that you've not come even remotely close to proving to anyone where this alleged conflict of interest is, and how it negatively impacts our objectivity. I didn't say that it negatively impacts your objectivity, I said it has the *potential* to impact your objectivity. Why? Because it is a real or perceived conflict of interest. And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? You obviously fail to understand what I am talking about. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] 8 OpenBSD and 4 Linux, with 2 more Linux boxes due early next year _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC ETHICS. Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want to change my mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that. Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind of craziness. Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to me. Look at the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you kidding me? And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical Microsoft barbs. If someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see them. Nobody has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, that I do not see. And all this nonsense about tone and stating things as my opinion is all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read what they want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight talk to one person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, annoying and pointless to another. There are way too many people in this world to try to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact voice that sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my posts, well, there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over every word and sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do not have the time. First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further backs up your opinion. It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that is just my opinion. Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are based upon fact or accepted truth. Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But,
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some ridiculous point. People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what they
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon. http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. =20 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 =20 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? =20 =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20 the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20 decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20 of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. =20 You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20 feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20 change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20 of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. =20 My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = =3D=20 standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes=20 time to make=20 hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20 how should I=20 proceed? Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20 deployment project.=20 =3D20 =20 First thing to be decided:=3D20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? =20 Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help=20 with =3D my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20 expertise somehow? =20 The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20 status is, IMO. =20 =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box=20 tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20 =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will=20 automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20 their own =3D=20 personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed=20 (to use him =3D as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20 made the =3D=20 decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best=20 person I can =3D find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for = their knowledge? =20 =20 =20 =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchanget ext_mode=3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchange text_mode=3D= lang=3D english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Password Mainenance
Ouch., --steve -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Password Mainenance No. We have always manually created the passwords in the past and kept a list. Doesn't make me a hacker of any sort. The company is getting so big, Just looking for a way of automating it yet maintaining a password structure. I am one person managing two departments and too many servers and sorkstations :) John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Password Mainenance What, you mean report what all the new passwords are to you? Are you out of your mind? I sure hope you are kidding. If you seriously want to get a list of ALL passwords, why don't you go out and buy LophtCrack - after all, what you are wanting is something to make you a hacker of the company you work for. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Disappearing email Subject: Password Mainenance Hey all, I am nearing a time when once again, I need to do a password change for my company. Is there any password automation out there, that will allow me to setup a password structure, changes the passwords and give me a report of the new ones? There has to be something out there like that... Thanks John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
Samantha, This list is at sometimes a little rough. If you wish to communicate within this community there are certain expectations # 1, read the FAQ for this list (as you should for any list). There are a bunch of very smart folk on this list that are giving advise for *free*.. If you don't like the advise ask for a refund[1] [1] This was a quote sorry I can't remember who first made the statement. --steve -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thanks Tony for your advice. Why do you care what I ask on this listserv? I thought this list was for questions. Maybe the questions asked by people in this list seem stupid to you, but they are not. Who made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and which ones are not? If you are too good for the questions being asked on this list then don't answer. I don't know if all you do all day is work on an Exchange servers but I wear many hats here in the name of special education children and I don't have time during or after work everyday/and every minute to read books on Exchange server. I have picked up a few good books in the past few weeks and they are helpful and hopefully I won't have to bother this list.I wish for nothing more. But until I become a pro like yourself, I will look to people like yourself who know this stuff backwards and forwards to give some direction. I take great offense to your undeserved comments and wish that you could remember the days when you were learning. I was given this project and am doing the best I can. This list is for getting help, not a social event for buddies. It is a shame that you are not more patient. Thanks and I have appreciated your help in the past. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You really really need to get trained on Exchange or start reading books on it as oppossed to asking this list for every thing you do. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Why is it there though? Will services run without it? Why would M:icrosoft put that there? Thanks Sam -Original Message- From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Are you being funny? There is definitely a M: drive! What is that He's saying IGNORE the M: drive. Don't use it for anything. Don't virus scan it! Don't back it up! -kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps OWA, perhaps not...
NT4.0sp6a + ex 5.5 + owa, this is a small simple exchange deployment with OWA is running so that my warehouse guys can see mail. Yesterday we had a power failure and dispite UPS's my exchange box went down fast (and not quietly). The box came back up but it seems like OWA is now pooched.. I'm not sure if the problem is with IIS or OWA, I would lean more to IIS but I'd like more to go on. I get Event IDs 5 290 1003 1011 (the last two seem more like IIS) I'm also looking at Q184841 XWEB: OWA Component for IIS May Cause Heap Corruption I also can't telnet to :80 on the box anymore. When I try to start the MMC for IIS I get an error cannot connect to mail the data is invalid Thoughts --steve Steve Hanna Network/Systems Administrator Niagara Plumbing Supply Company Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is nothing common about sense. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: E-mail in to China
RightFax has matured somewhat over the years. --steve -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E-mail in to China Trials and Tribulation? Admittedly, this was several years ago, but I tested about four different fax-server products that integrated into exchange, the best (in my opinion) was Faxination... Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E-mail in to China Bertha Venation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Drew Nicholson Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E-mail in to China Faxination. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Aguet, Pierre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E-mail in to China For all our business in China, after loosing hundreds of e-mails without any logical explanation other than Chinese Gvt filters, we made a policy to our sales persons to FAX ALL documents as well as they are sent to .CN recipients. Actually we are looking for a fax server to automate this process. HTH. Rgds Peter -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: E-mail in to China I was wondering if anyone else is having issues sending and receiving emails with China (.cn) addresses. We have had several addresses over the last 4-6 months that we cannot send/receive email with. I watch it leave my server with no issues, we receive no errors, but the recipient never receives it. The same goes when they send to us, no errors, it leaves there server, but never arrives here, again no error on either end. The only way we have found to get around the issue for business to continue is to use a hotmail/yahoo account to correspond with them. Has anyone run into this? Does anyone have a suggestion of where to look next? Thanks, Ryan N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Message rejected
You like pie? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Message rejected m pie... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Message rejected Friggin Lyris. I rarely tell anyone to shut their pie hole (Unless it's Andy David). Instead you shoudl ask him to document his argument in detail so you can consider it. At the moment, his assertion is too vague to consider as valid or not. -Original Message- From: Edwards, Aaron To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 9/25/2002 4:29 AM Subject: ADC vs. Exmerge Hi, We have about a 850 mailboxes and a 10 GB Info Store that is Exchange 5.5 SP4. We have seperate OWA 5.5 and IMS servers. We also run Antigen 6.5. We are planning on moving to Exchange 2000. We have a new server that we are going to migrate to. I have read the faqs and many white papers about migrating. From what I've read, the ADC is the recommended way to go to get your mailboxes, public folders, and settings moved over. However, one of our staff has brought up the argument that, in order to have a clean Exchange 2000 server, it is best to not use the ADC. He says that we should exmerge all our mailboxes, export our public folders to pst's, reset up our settings, and exmerge/import everything into the new server. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Should I just tell him to shut his pie hole? Thanks, Aaron __ __ This message and any attachments have been scanned for viruses during transmission from Washington Trust Bank. __ __ NOTICE: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged material and is intended for use solely by the above-referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distribution, or other use by any other person or entity is strictly prohibited. If you are not the named recipient, or believe you have received this e-mail in error, please reply to the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: test
Rather than continue to send test messages to the list check your list prefs. When was the last time you reviewd your settings. If infact your settings are cowrrect perhaps an unsub / resub would work. --steve -Original Message- From: Weatherly, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: test Test Please reply if this anyone sees this _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Security Breach????
Slow down.,.. don't get all worried about it. Read the implications of the klez family of viruses. explain it to your boss. your new slow down... --steve -Original Message- From: Rama Arumugam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange Security Breach What do you mean don't worry about? By the way we have NetShield and GroupShield both running on our exchange server and we do block most of the extensions (.exe,.vbs, etc.) from coming in. Rama Arumugam Network Administrator Wire DynamiX.com (253) 395-4527 -Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange Security Breach It's Klez. Don't worry about it. -Original Message- From: Rama Arumugam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, September 19, 2002 09:28 AM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Exchange Security Breach Subject: Exchange Security Breach Hello everyone, One of my users (unfortunately it's my Supervisor) got an alert from Group Shield saying that his attachment (.exe) was blocked. But he swears that he didn't send out any emails. Couldn't argue with that. Not only that, we were unable to find anything on his Sent Items folder either. Here is what he received on his inbox from Postmaster -Original Message- From: postmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mailto:[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undeliverable mail--Helvetica The following mail can't be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Helvetica The attachment is the original mail ** ** * I just can't seem to find any information on this on the internet. Helvetica is a font. That's all I've got so for. Could this be a Security breach? Is someone using my exchange server? Has anyone received any messages like this before? Please help. Any input is welcome! Thanks everyone! rama _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
two great sites dnsstuff.com dnsreport.com the below link is the report for the dot com in question (me thinks) http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=amfes.com --steve Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP OK, I've verified DNS works. I've verified via NSLOOKUP that I can find a remote server. I've verified via TELNET that I can access a remote server. SO WHY ISN'T MY INTERNET E-MAIL WORKING?!?!?!? This is really getting frustrating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel L. Miller Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP OK, I found it in the help file. Telnet amfes.com 25 Yes, I get in. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP Can you resolve the Mx record for an external domain from the Exchange server itself? If so, can you then telnet to that Mx record on port 25? -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP Text of the NDR below. I have tried adjusting the time settings. I currently have them set to the minimum so I can get confirmation of the rejection quickly! Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Testing again Sent: 8/18/2002 7:42 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 8/18/2002 7:44 PM Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. Please retry or contact your administrator. amserver.AMFESLAN.local #4.4.7 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP What does the NDR say... Any attempt to send internet e-mail results in failed delivery notifications. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another Outlook/Exchange question
This is probably not the best way to manage your mail. for outlook questions see www.slipstick.com --steve To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Another Outlook/Exchange question Another note: it seems that when sending my e-mail via a networked client (connected to Exchange but sending internet e-mail directly), in plain text mode, some attachments are being added - including an html copy of the message! Anybody know how to stop this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel L. Miller Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Stores Correct -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Fugatt Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Stores Daniel It sounds like you are running Exchange 2000 Standard and not Enterprise. Mark Fugatt -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Stores I've tried creating a new storage group. After creation, it won't allow me to add any mail stores - though it seems public stores are acceptable. What's wrong? What I really want to do is MOVE a store/storage group. My primary storage group currently resides on my system partition and I want to shift it to my data partition. How can I do this? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
When I subbed this list some 2 years ago. I was promptly told to read the FAQ. I did, and thus avoided the brutality you speak of. --steve -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax?
hope your mouth is big enough for your foot. --steve -Original Message- From: Ian Grech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax? the virus really creates a directory from the followinf C:\WINDOWS C:\WINNT Delete it immediatley -Original Message- From: Bob Razler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello: I have received several emails from people saying they are getting a notice that they have a virus (mail from someone who thinks they are infected) telling them to delete jdbgmgr.exe (which has a teddy bear icon). This looks too much like one of those hoaxes where someone tries to get users to delete a needed file. Any experience with this today? Robert J. Razler, Esq. Approvals Manager Heritage Building Group, Inc. Suite A-100 3326 Old York Road Furlong, PA 18925 215.794.0550, ext. 1117 www.heritagebuildinggroup.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Keys available at: http://www.razler.com/PGPKey.htm - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Win2K DNS is PISSING ME OFF Hi all. I have two Win2K AD DNS servers. Recently they have been acting up: all of a sudden one of them stops using root hints and can't resolve a lot of good domain names (request timed-out). I restart the DNS server service and everything is OK again. Then 10-15 minutes later, it starts giving request timed-out. Both DNS servers experience this at different times. Has anyone here seen this? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPOvGqWwjiy2yaukAEQJpOQCeM/695zjSoC5wQTlVSQLM9nyImykAoPdZ nXeOXC2wwqmt73DDSrE4lzgt =2CS5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
inetinfo 99% of the CPU
Is ther something obvious in E2k that causes inetinfo to reach 99% of CPU all the kbs I can find suggest re-service pack The box is win2k sp2 + e2k sp2. I'm trying to answer a question for someone else (I don't have a 2k box yet) I continue to research.. --steve _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Email Accounts
Yes. more answers will require more info. --steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Email Accounts Hi There is a problem where i am at of users can attach and read other users email. They don't have Domain Admin rights(some of them do as far as workgroup managers). Is there a way to fix this. Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Suggestions would help thanks
Troll, link http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q180/0/94.ASP?LN=EN-USSD=t echFR=0qry=LMHOSTSrnk=4src=DHCS_MSPSS_tech_SRCHSPR=W98 I am the LMHOST KING bow down to me !! o yeah microsoft.com have been slow latly when doing searchs -Original Message- From: Murphy, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks Here's an even better site. www.google.com This provides a much better hit ratio then Microsoft's website. I have about a 50% success rate with their knowledge base returning the appropriate information. Good luck. -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks hey, here's a secret site : www.microsoft.com they have a thing called a knowledge base If you search for LMHOSTS you get a peek into over 100 articles with information about LMHOSTS files. Don't tell anybody else about this site, just give them the answers after you have researched it yourself and you look like a genius! Looks like #5 and #7 would be a great place to start. Search Results Your search for lmhosts found 104 matches. 1 through 10 are listed below. 1 Name Resolution Using Lmhosts May Generate System Error 1214 (Q219381) 2 Performance Monitor Logs Lose Data Across Subnets (Q237579) 3 Win95/98/NT Dialup, Authentication, Browsing Using TCPIP, IPX/SPX, or NetBEUI (Q232511) 4 Bringing Up a Windows NT Advanced Server in a TCP/IP WAN (Q102044) 5 The Lmhosts File for TCP/IP in Windows (Q101927) 6 How to Troubleshoot TCP/IP Connectivity with Windows (Q102908) 7 LMHOSTS File Information and Predefined Keywords (Q102725) 8 REG: TCP/IP Transport Entries, Part 2 (Q102974) 9 Embedding Non-printable Characters in LMHOSTS Computer Names (Q104576) 10 Windows NT NBTSTAT -R vs. LAN Manager ADDNAME (Q107060) Tom Gray, Network Engineer All Kinds of Minds The Center for Development and Learning University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATT Net: (919)960- -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks Bob, I use the lmhost file for my clients and it works like a charm. I would like to know if you know where I could find more info about lmhost files. Right now I have the lmhost file set only for 1 server which is the exchange server. Do you know the parameters to enter in the lmhost file to give more access to the entire network. Thanks Rich -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks Richard: This is possible without making any changes, except to the W98 clients themselves. Merely add the Microsoft for Networking Client on each machine, give each an IP Address, tell the the router IP address for Gateway. Then in their Outlook clients, be sure to add a new server, which points to the exchange server in NY. If they have trouble finding the server, drop a LMHOST file on each W98 machine showing the address of the Exchange Server. We were doing this exact same setup (and still are with some remotes) and it works just fine. Bob -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks wise as# -Original Message- From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks What does your network admin think you should do? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Suggestions would help thanks We have our main office in NY and another office in Florida. Florida office needs to access NY Network for email and files. Florida Network: Novell server (not sure what the version) Cisco router, T1 line and 4 workstations with 98 win. NY Network: 2 NT4 SP6 servers 1 Server set up with RAS/VPN 10 ports which is a file server the other server is our exchange 5.5 server. We have a cisco router 1600 with a T1 line. I told my boss to purchase a new server for florida set up with windows 2000 server. Then the can have their own domain and connect via VPN. My boss didnt like that idea because he want to save money and keep the old computer down there running novell. Plus he
RE: Off Topic Kinda
troll.. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html ~steve Does anyone know a good program or books for making good stationery HTML for outlook 2000. I want to make some fancy email BABY!! Rich _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic Display IP from DOS using %???%
pardon, I said pardon. huh what... ipconfig /? for the full story --steve -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Off Topic Display IP from DOS using %???% Well, I know this can be done, but have forgotten! From dos type echo %username% and displays User name (vanhuia) What is it for Ip address? echo %ip%? Thanks Adriaan Van Huissteden Network Administrator Connect Credit Union Phone: (03) 6233 0660 DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please contact the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
/lurk Two halves of coconut banging them together. lurk --steve -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Beat that! -Original Message- From: Smith Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K TS-1000 (2k RAM, membrane keyboard, RF converter for BW TV) Joseph Smith Network Administrator Perlos, Inc. 5201 Alliance Gateway Fort Worth, TX 76178-3729 Work: 817-224-9012 Cell: 817-999-7703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kuminda Chandimith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Well My first was a small computer called Lazar (I am not sure whether it is a major brand At that time) something which had a 64 KB of memory and GWBasic in its ROM. I Was damn Illiterate those days I did not knew how to find the configuration Of that Toy Then not to mention the Commodore ant ARC computer with 256 memory And no hard disk - 51/2 floppies. And that first floppy diskette of mine.. What trouble I went through to own that.. Kuminda Chandimith Sr. Technical Consultant Ducont.com FZ-LLC Tel: + 971-4-3913000 Ext 237 Fax: +971-4-3913001 http://www.ducont.com -Original Message- From: Utegaard, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 October 2001 22:02 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Yes, but I have all my enterprise data stored on cassettes via TRS-80. We have a storage warehouse just for them. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Litton 4k drum memory all program loaded via paper tape. Don't drop the roll. - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K HP 2100 4K words of *core* memory, and a model 33 teletype w/ paper tape for program storage. Have you ever loaded an OS at 110 baud? -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K PDP-11. Ed Crowley Compaq Computer --- Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man I remember the first computer I wrote my first Pascal program on. It was an 8086 PC with no hard disk and 256K of RAM. The code had different procedures for about 10 sorting algorithms and it was intended to be a tool for comparing how different algorithms performed with certain data sets. It had overwhelmed the CPU when I tried to compile it in Turbo pascal. Aah, the good old days... -Original Message- From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K As sarcastic as it is. It is interesting, if one presumes, that the very machines we're mentioning were in fact our first 'computers'. For me, reading your emails is like walking down memory lane...TRS-80's , TI-99a? Or 994a?, TRS-80's with 384K of RAM, etc... Thanks -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Ooh! Ooh! Can I get Colour Display for my TRS-80s? I've got a killer ap that I wrote in basic that draws these neato boxes on the screen and I have been aching to see it in full 8 bit colour! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 10/1/01 8:46 AM Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K You've got COLOR DISPLAY When did THAT come out? -Original Message- From: Rocky Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K You all lose. I've clustered 25 Atari 2600's and can now play Mission Impossible in 8bit color -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Mynhier Sent: October 1, 2001 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Man, you're way too cutting-edge for me. I just use my VIC-20 and post to the local BBSs. And I can just copy my new software onto tapes... far more convenient than disks or CDs. Stephen
RE: today's admin backwards virus
That being the case the receptionist could manage the servers. I myself am waiting for the MS easybake oven. --steve -Original Message- From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: today's admin backwards virus Not a chance I'd ever want my production servers to auto update anything. I strictly want to test each patch before I apply it to any production server. absolutely, but what would be nice is something like 'MS update server', which automatically downloads ALL relevant security patches and hotfixes, scans your network and alerts you to what needs applying. a management console should be available to allow 'drag and drop' deployment of security patches and hotfixes across the network. the system should also be intelligent enough to know the server applications you are running and how this impacts which patches should be run and in what order they should be applied. dan. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Disable ability to reply
Add a line at the beginning of the MSG stating do not reply to this MSG as it was sent from an administrative mail box beyond that delivery restrictions --steve Dear DL Members, I have been asked to figure out how to send an e-mail message out to a System Distribution List, and prevent the recipients from being able to reply to the message they receive. I did not think that this was possible. I used the help in Outlook 2000 and performed a couple of searches in Tech Net on the Web. Our user community has both Outlook 97 and 2000, and we are Exchange 5.5 with SP3. Please help or point in the correct direction. Thanks. Rob Garrish Exchange Administrator Wawa Inc. 610-558-8371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Disable ability to reply
My suggestion, if used, is to be used with the knowledge that there are seldom good technological solutions for behavioral problems --steve -Original Message- From: Garrish, Robert B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Disable ability to reply Dear DL Members, We have presented a couple of alternate options, such as creating a generic mailbox to use to send the message from, so that any reply would not go to a mailbox belonging to a human being. We even mentioned Steve Hanna's idea of stating it at the beginning of the message, and at the end of the message!! We have restrictions set up on the SDLs. The concern is that the person from HR who needs to be the Original Sender does not want to get any replies at all. Thus, we are trying to figure out a way to prevent the recipients from being able to reply to the Original Sender. Thanks for all the replies. Rob Garrish Exchange Administrator Wawa Inc. 610-558-8371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Disable ability to reply Are you wishing to keep them from replying to all, replying to the sender, or both? If you want to keep them from replying to all you can go about it a couple of ways. First, on the Delivery Restrictions tab of the System DL, only allow yourself (and any others necessary) to address mail to it. Second, you can address System DL messages using BCC. Finally - and this is what I would ALSO do (all 3), only send System DL messages from a specific mailbox - as in one designated for System messages, Corporate Communication, etc. Only allow that mailbox to address the System DL. Some of these are business policy issues. I believe just trying to limit replies to specific messages will cause you much more pain than doing it this way. Eric On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:21:33 -0400, Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear DL Members, I have been asked to figure out how to send an e-mail message out to a System Distribution List, and prevent the recipients from being able to reply to the message they receive. I did not think that this was possible. I used the help in Outlook 2000 and performed a couple of searches in Tech Net on the Web. Our user community has both Outlook 97 and 2000, and we are Exchange 5.5 with SP3. Please help or point in the correct direction. Thanks. Rob Garrish Exchange Administrator Wawa Inc. 610-558-8371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: third party client can't send email to external address!?
to continue a thread please summarize the thought again or call p s s I know it sucks but hey WTH --steve I'm kind a desperate. Can somebody help me get this resolved. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: x400 addressing
Ha ha ha . # banner NO! exchange discussions Never a dull moment.. --steve -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: x400 addressing N N O !! NNN O O !! N N N O O !! N N N O O !! N N N O O !! NNN O O N N O !! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Engels PHAT Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: x400 addressing Okay, I understand, but is there a way to let Exchange use the smtp addressing instead of the x400 adresses? greetings -Original Message- From: Chetwood, Rachel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: x400 addressing As I understand it, Exchange uses the X400 addresses for internal addressing, and even if you'd never installed a X400 connector, they would still have X400 addresses. I think this is what Ed was saying. HTH cheers Rachel -- From: Engels PHAT[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 03 September 2001 10:18 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: x400 addressing -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: x400 addressing Just remove them in Site Addressing. However, if you do so, people will stop getting their mail. All Exchange 5.5 recipients that you want to receive mail must have X.400 addresses defined. If you get rid of them, things stop working. This is regardless of the connector you are using to connect sites. I've removed the X400 connectors. In my opinion I should be able to remove the X400 addresses now. In case I never installed an X400 connector things will be working without a problem. How can I reach this Greetings Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Engels PHAT Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: x400 addressing Previously I've connected our Exchange Sites via the X400 connector. Due to some problems I want to get rid of the X400 addresses and therefor I've switched to the IMS. Exchange is still using the X400 addressing to send mail to recipients. See below. How get I prevent Exchange is using _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to set up exchange server
buy a book, come back when your finished reading it. --steve -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: How to set up exchange server Dear All: We have an Exchange server 5.5 as an internal email system. We want to use Seattle Lab mail engine. How to connect Exchange server as internal email to Seattle Lab server as external email system. Many thanks! Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: User Friendly Exchange List
/lurk Long live this nasty a** list. The attitude of this list is one of it's most valued properties. As a new admin (in the exchange realm) this list has forced me to be very, very diligent in my study and in the administration on my company's investment. If this list should become user friendly it will loose the school master appeal. I'm sure that we all have a school master that we would like to go back and thank 10 or 15 years on. just my $.02 --steve lurk -Original Message- From: Josefowski, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: User Friendly Exchange List The list is what it is. It has a reputation, and lives up to it, but if you do need help, it is an invaluable resource. People forget the one thing that could save them before they post to any list: subscribe for a few days to get the feel of it. Think before you post. I listened for a couple of weeks before I was brave enough to post a reply, and was quite honestly tickled when my answer was affirmed by one of the elders. -Original Message- From: Larry A. Duncan MCP, MCT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: User Friendly Exchange List I normally would never do such a thing, but after watching the tone of this group for some time now and seeing compliants on other lists about the abusive nature of it's elders, I've taken it upon myself to create an alternative Exchange mail list that will be user friendly, polite and sensitive to new Admin needs. This is not an attack on you or your methods, just a realization that different people learn different ways and it's time to have an alternative. I wish the Swynk Exchange mail list well, and I hope you'll do the same for us. For those interested in joining this new list, you can feel free to do so at: http://www.topica.com/lists/msexchange. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
