RE: Backing up the M Drive
Yep...that's the one I was talking about. Also there's a site called... http://www.microsoft.com that has some pretty good reads about Exchange. Granted, MS documentation is not as thorough as a Linux man page, but maybe they'll come around in time. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin
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Thanks, yeah I think I already knew about the Microsoft one, im fairly sure that I have even visited once or twice in the past, maybe im getting it mixed up with micr0soft.com? Anyway, are there any others that you know? I prefer the hobbyist sites, they seem to have better read ups than the creators site, because they speak from experience, not how it should work. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 15:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Yep...that's the one I was talking about. Also there's a site called... http://www.microsoft.com that has some pretty good reads about Exchange. Granted, MS documentation is not as thorough as a Linux man page, but maybe they'll come around in time. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland
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LOL... Yah...I'll go through some of my bookmarked pages today and see what I can put together for you. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Thanks, yeah I think I already knew about the Microsoft one, im fairly sure that I have even visited once or twice in the past, maybe im getting it mixed up with micr0soft.com? Anyway, are there any others that you know? I prefer the hobbyist sites, they seem to have better read ups than the creators site, because they speak from experience, not how it should work. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 15:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Yep...that's the one I was talking about. Also there's a site called... http://www.microsoft.com that has some pretty good reads about Exchange. Granted, MS documentation is not as thorough as a Linux man page, but maybe they'll come around in time. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Actually, you are using E2k, so my 5.5 bookmarks are probably not going to do you a lot of good. But I can recommend Jim McBee's - Exchange 2000 24/7 book...very informative. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive LOL... Yah...I'll go through some of my bookmarked pages today and see what I can put together for you. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Thanks, yeah I think I already knew about the Microsoft one, im fairly sure that I have even visited once or twice in the past, maybe im getting it mixed up with micr0soft.com? Anyway, are there any others that you know? I prefer the hobbyist sites, they seem to have better read ups than the creators site, because they speak from experience, not how it should work. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 15:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Yep...that's the one I was talking about. Also there's a site called... http://www.microsoft.com that has some pretty good reads about Exchange. Granted, MS documentation is not as thorough as a Linux man page, but maybe they'll come around in time. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available
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Yah, ill get the boss to buy it me then :) Thanks for the pointers and the help anyway!! -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 15:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Actually, you are using E2k, so my 5.5 bookmarks are probably not going to do you a lot of good. But I can recommend Jim McBee's - Exchange 2000 24/7 book...very informative. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive LOL... Yah...I'll go through some of my bookmarked pages today and see what I can put together for you. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Thanks, yeah I think I already knew about the Microsoft one, im fairly sure that I have even visited once or twice in the past, maybe im getting it mixed up with micr0soft.com? Anyway, are there any others that you know? I prefer the hobbyist sites, they seem to have better read ups than the creators site, because they speak from experience, not how it should work. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2003 15:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Yep...that's the one I was talking about. Also there's a site called... http://www.microsoft.com that has some pretty good reads about Exchange. Granted, MS documentation is not as thorough as a Linux man page, but maybe they'll come around in time. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try
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Just out of curiosity, which FAQ do you refer to, the one in the siggy? Are there any more good websites with good read's for exchange? There was a good website which I found this list on, but I forgotten what website that was :o -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Lol, After my experience with arcserve you'd be better off with a different backup solution! (I switched to backup exec) Todd -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, ive suggested it, however the costs involved are looking rather off putting for my stingy company ;) -Original Message- From: Todd Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Lol, After my experience with arcserve you'd be better off with a different backup solution! (I switched to backup exec) Todd -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
From previous list messages: There is no M: Drive The M: drive is not a physical drive. It's not on a partition exactly. It's a virtual drive created by Exchange. Pretend it doesn't exist. you don't need it. 5.2 Q: Can I back up the M: drive using NT Backup or another backup application? A: You can, but you will be sad. Do NOT back up the M: drive of an Exchange 2000 server. It can result in messages and attachments being inaccessible via the Outlook client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive ? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Well the first part I already knew, as I did state that in my own email, I quote There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. But as for using it as a backup source, its not something ive actually practised, it was an idea that I came up with. Now as ive attempted to do a restore of my public folders, and nothing is being restored, im pretty sure I could have done something with the physical files ive I had backed them up as well, so to be able to restore a little something with what I have available now (arcserve) than be able to restore nothing which is what has happened, I think I will backup the virtual drive in addition to the exchange agent. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive From previous list messages: There is no M: Drive The M: drive is not a physical drive. It's not on a partition exactly. It's a virtual drive created by Exchange. Pretend it doesn't exist. you don't need it. 5.2 Q: Can I back up the M: drive using NT Backup or another backup application? A: You can, but you will be sad. Do NOT back up the M: drive of an Exchange 2000 server. It can result in messages and attachments being inaccessible via the Outlook client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive ? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Oh well, it's your tape, have fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Well the first part I already knew, as I did state that in my own email, I quote There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. But as for using it as a backup source, its not something ive actually practised, it was an idea that I came up with. Now as ive attempted to do a restore of my public folders, and nothing is being restored, im pretty sure I could have done something with the physical files ive I had backed them up as well, so to be able to restore a little something with what I have available now (arcserve) than be able to restore nothing which is what has happened, I think I will backup the virtual drive in addition to the exchange agent. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive From previous list messages: There is no M: Drive The M: drive is not a physical drive. It's not on a partition exactly. It's a virtual drive created by Exchange. Pretend it doesn't exist. you don't need it. 5.2 Q: Can I back up the M: drive using NT Backup or another backup application? A: You can, but you will be sad. Do NOT back up the M: drive of an Exchange 2000 server. It can result in messages and attachments being inaccessible via the Outlook client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive ? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 258243 XADM: How to Back Up and Restore an Exchange 2000 Server Computer by Using the Windows Backup Program Note Microsoft does not recommend or support backing up drive M with file-level backup software. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Well Rachel, Christopher, thanks for the pointers, something for me to bare in mind. I guess I shall try not to use the backups of the M drive to do restores, apart from in cases like this, which I would have been able to restore all the .EML files to my computer and dragged them into the public folder calendar through outlook. Perhaps a dodgy way, but would have worked none the less, as it stands I have angry people on my case :( -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 258243 XADM: How to Back Up and Restore an Exchange 2000 Server Computer by Using the Windows Backup Program Note Microsoft does not recommend or support backing up drive M with file-level backup software. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Only if you enjoy being the center of attention of a mob of angry users bent on causing you pain, lots and lots of pain for destroying their mailboxes. However, if you insist on this masochistic path, jab yourself in the eye with a red-hot fireplace poker and you will experience the same sort of pain, but your mailbox data will remain intact. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Backing up the M Drive Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Okay, well perhaps I am mis-informed then. If I had backed up the M drive to a tape, then I selected to restore the Public Folders\Sellafield Calendar\*.EML to a folder on my PC. Then I recreated the Sellafield Calendar public folder manually, and dragged all the EML files from my PC into the Sellafield Calendar via Outlook. That would destroy all my users mailboxes? Or should I say there is a small risk of this happening? If that is the case, I don't know if it is or isn't, then I shall refrain from using it at all :o -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Only if you enjoy being the center of attention of a mob of angry users bent on causing you pain, lots and lots of pain for destroying their mailboxes. However, if you insist on this masochistic path, jab yourself in the eye with a red-hot fireplace poker and you will experience the same sort of pain, but your mailbox data will remain intact. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Backing up the M Drive Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up the M Drive
You are correct with your scenarios up to a point. You will STILL need the Exchange Agent for either product you wind up using. The Exchange Agent not only allows you to do BLB's (bad bad idea), but also makes the backups Exchange Aware which means that when a backup is successful, your exchange server will then delete the necessary log files. The rest of your setup is of course up to you, and custom for every different admin. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Backing up the M Drive
I put departing faculty accounts as disabled for upwards of 2 months. I also hide their mailbox from the address book for the same amount of time. I do the same for departing students, only I usually give them about 1 month. I supposed I'd probably be best to restrict delivery of new mail to those accounts, but I haven't quite figured that out yet. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Excuse my ignorance in this, but most of the questions have arisen from other discussions in this group, most of the backup software was implemented before I started, I assumed it worked. Until I found out otherwise today, it seemed hunky dory! My original post about the M drive being better than the Arcserve Exchange agent was a rhetorical question, and ideas stemmed from there really :) So here I am now, with different people chipping in different input, asking for best advice, an FAQ for Exchange backups has not been something I have had to consider up to yet, as the old system seemed to be working fine as it was :o I never did like Arcserve, and I was looking into better alternatives, like people have suggested Veritas, but I had no idea it was not working to an extent I have found out today :( -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Neil, Have you even bothered to read the FAQ? All of the questions you are asking about restores/backups/retention are all in there. Jim -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) -Original Message- From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 18:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive The only way you can restore a single mailbox, as you described, is to have Brick Level Backups turned on. Before you say, Great, please consider this. When you run BLB's you do so by opening EVERY SINGLE EMAIL BOX to back them up. Not only is this time consuming, but is a great resource hog as well, and really quite un-necessary. Instead of using BLB's to correct user-errors such as deleting their whole inbox, you should implement Item Retention, and correct user permissions on public folders. Don't allow your users to delete ANY Public Folder, this way, you won't ever have to recreate it when they do this accidentally. To achieve Item Retention, go to www.microsoft.com and do a lookup in the Knowledge Base for ITEM RETENTION. There are more then enough Q Articles there to explain how to set this up. Hth, Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive I was looking into the built in backup and noticed Exchange Options. Though I could not see anyway of selectively restoring only one mailbox via this method, or public folder using this backup? Is there a way of choosing which mailboxes you do and don't want to restore using the built in backup? When I try to expand the Microsoft Exchange tab it asks me which server do I want to query. I give it one, but the box never becomes un-greyed, the exchange server is local to where I am trying to run Microsoft Backup. The option for Microsoft Exchange Server is available and I can choose the server I want, but like I said previously this does not seem to allow for selective restore/backup on a per mailbox scale. -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 17:48 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ouch. Don't. Everything I've read says that this will be the seventh sign that brings about Armageddon. Use NTBackup on your Exchange 2000 Server to backup to a file, then backup that file to tape using Arcserve. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling
RE: Backing up the M Drive
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From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 02/06/2003 18:17
To: Exchange Discussions
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Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive
Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad
idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont
recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then!
I don't use exchange agents myself. The thing to ask yourself is what
_exactly_ is the problem with the current backup scenario. Is it the software - in
which case would new software improve it? Or is it the method (e.g. I would count
doing brick level backups as a faulty method myself) and therefore whatever software
you use to discharge this backup method, you'll still have problems.
So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow
me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention
(I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario
would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full
restore in this case.
The next point I would make is forget about 'files' unless we're referring to
disaster recovery of your information store itself because exchange server is a
database system. I'm not merely trying to argue semantics here, I honestly believe a
lot of stuff becomes clearer when you start thinking about these things in the
correct way.
You set retention on two things - the whole mailbox (which covers your point
below within the retention point you set for the mailbox) and also on items within the
mailbox such as individual mail messages, calendar entries, contacts (Which covers
you for users who ring up and say I just deleted a very important message and then
emptied my recycle bin, can you get it back for me? which is a good thing when its
the CEO).
Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox
from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess
the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby.
I would suggest the mailbox retention for this. Also, if you consider it
important to archive a particular mailbox then you could consider using exmerge to
extract that mailbox into a PST file which you can then burn to CD and archive for as
long as you need it.
I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and
cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk
space in my servers ;)
Spend less money and get a better backup? Its entirely possible with a copy of
the free NTBackup and a long careful read of the disaster recovery whitepapers on
the microsoft website.
Oh. And please stay off the M Drive. It's called M as that is short for
Mangle which is what tends to happen to your exchange system if you play with this
drive. You know how sometimes people get a good idea and it looks really good on paper
and doesn't cause anyone's house to burn down during the beta so they try it out on
one version of a product, and discover problems, and its either gone or well hidden in
the next version?
Hope that helps
Rob Moir, MS MVP
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RE: Backing up the M Drive
Thanks very much for all your help, to everyone that chipped in on this one. Its been a real eye opener about how things aren't really working, when they appear to be, and keeping your eye on something you assume has been taken care of by throwing money at it!! Cheers again, im going to re-think this strategy, do some testing, see if I can get a full working backup/restore solution in a test environment, then put my proposals forward to the powers that be. So you may hear more from me for a few pointers to add into my proposal ;) Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 02/06/2003 18:50 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive -Original Message- From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 02/06/2003 18:17 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Ahh right, so brick level backups albeit by Veritas or Arcserve is a bad idea anyway? Shame we have spent so much on Arcserve already, I wont recommend exchange agents and Veritas Backup then! I don't use exchange agents myself. The thing to ask yourself is what _exactly_ is the problem with the current backup scenario. Is it the software - in which case would new software improve it? Or is it the method (e.g. I would count doing brick level backups as a faulty method myself) and therefore whatever software you use to discharge this backup method, you'll still have problems. So item retention is the way to go then. Let me think, this will allow me to restore files for a duration I set when setting up this retention (I assume?). That will have deleted files covered, the next scenario would be that the server crashes, I will only be wanting to do a full restore in this case. The next point I would make is forget about 'files' unless we're referring to disaster recovery of your information store itself because exchange server is a database system. I'm not merely trying to argue semantics here, I honestly believe a lot of stuff becomes clearer when you start thinking about these things in the correct way. You set retention on two things - the whole mailbox (which covers your point below within the retention point you set for the mailbox) and also on items within the mailbox such as individual mail messages, calendar entries, contacts (Which covers you for users who ring up and say I just deleted a very important message and then emptied my recycle bin, can you get it back for me? which is a good thing when its the CEO). Okay, one last scenario, we have a leaver and we delete there mailbox from the server, then someone says oh can you get it back. I guess the best policy for this is to put leavers on a 5 day standby. I would suggest the mailbox retention for this. Also, if you consider it important to archive a particular mailbox then you could consider using exmerge to extract that mailbox into a PST file which you can then burn to CD and archive for as long as you need it. I think that pretty much covers all events, and could be a better and cheaper alternative. Also a reason for them to give me more hard disk space in my servers ;) Spend less money and get a better backup? Its entirely possible with a copy of the free NTBackup and a long careful read of the disaster recovery whitepapers on the microsoft website. Oh. And please stay off the M Drive. It's called M as that is short for Mangle which is what tends to happen to your exchange system if you play with this drive. You know how sometimes people get a good idea and it looks really good on paper and doesn't cause anyone's house to burn down during the beta so they try it out on one version of a product, and discover problems, and its either gone or well hidden in the next version? Hope that helps Rob Moir, MS MVP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
