RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Why should I blame the AV product. Both problems could have been fixed by the users going to the WINDOWSUPDATE site and pulling down the critical updates. That's not too hard is it? The users just have to open IE, click on Tools - Windows Update, then when the site pops up, down load the critical updates. They don't even have to check the box, just hit the big blue arrow that says DOWNLOAD, then reboot at the end. For all the griping people do at/about Microsoft, they couldn't have made it any easier to keep a workstation up to date on basic security fixes. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Exchange Discussions (E-mail) Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *** This e-mail is not an official statement of the Waikato Regional Council unless otherwise stated. Visit our website http://www.ew.govt.nz *** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/dpFolB/TM -~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 December 2001 14:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why should I blame the AV product. Both problems could have been fixed by the users going to the WINDOWSUPDATE site and pulling down the critical updates. That's not too hard is it? The users just have to open IE, click on Tools - Windows Update, then when the site pops up, down load the critical updates. They don't even have to check the box, just hit the big blue arrow that says DOWNLOAD, then reboot at the end. For all the griping people do at/about Microsoft, they couldn't have made it any easier to keep a workstation up to date on basic security fixes. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Exchange Discussions (E-mail) Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *** This e-mail is not an official statement of the Waikato Regional Council unless otherwise stated. Visit our website http://www.ew.govt.nz *** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/dpFolB/TM -- ---~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
No kidding. The **last** thing I am going to do give users local admin or allow them to update their OS from a vendor over the internet. -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
I wasn't talking about CORPORATE users. I was talking about HOME users. A lot of the sircam/badtrans.B hits are coming from Mindspring.com; bellsouth.net; Earthlink.com; and other home user ISP domains. If you read my original post, you would have seen that I was talking only about HOME users. In a corporate environment, it's the responsibility of the IT department (Help desk, workstation/server services, whoever) to make sure that processes/procedures are in place to keep workstations up to date, not the workers. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 December 2001 14:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why should I blame the AV product. Both problems could have been fixed by the users going to the WINDOWSUPDATE site and pulling down the critical updates. That's not too hard is it? The users just have to open IE, click on Tools - Windows Update, then when the site pops up, down load the critical updates. They don't even have to check the box, just hit the big blue arrow that says DOWNLOAD, then reboot at the end. For all the griping people do at/about Microsoft, they couldn't have made it any easier to keep a workstation up to date on basic security fixes. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Exchange Discussions (E-mail) Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *** This e-mail is not an official statement of the Waikato Regional Council unless otherwise stated. Visit our website http://www.ew.govt.nz *** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/dpFolB/TM -- ---~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Oh.. you mean that overpriced sport where bad-tempered, poorly dressed, overpaid prima donnas, run back and forth across a patio deck punching each other out? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam In case the list is completely peppered with the basketball illiterate... this is a reference to one of the greatest basketball coaches who ever lived and not an insult to the residents of Lawrence (which is quite a lovely little basketball hamlet). Not knowing about Exchange is one thing... but how could anyone on this list possibly not know everything there is to know about Jayhawk basketball? Go read the FAQ for goodness sakes. http://www.kuathletics.com/mensbasketball/history/century_stories_naismith.h tml -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Puh-leeze. It's Lawrence Kansas... Do your users really know how to do anything other than misspell Phog? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Kelly Fallon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam No kidding. The **last** thing I am going to do give users local admin or allow them to update their OS from a vendor over the internet. -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
No... That's what happens after they fail to graduate. At the only level that matters, only the 'adult supervision' tends to act like that. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Oh.. you mean that overpriced sport where bad-tempered, poorly dressed, overpaid prima donnas, run back and forth across a patio deck punching each other out? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam In case the list is completely peppered with the basketball illiterate... this is a reference to one of the greatest basketball coaches who ever lived and not an insult to the residents of Lawrence (which is quite a lovely little basketball hamlet). Not knowing about Exchange is one thing... but how could anyone on this list possibly not know everything there is to know about Jayhawk basketball? Go read the FAQ for goodness sakes. http://www.kuathletics.com/mensbasketball/history/century_stor ies_naismith.h tml -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Puh-leeze. It's Lawrence Kansas... Do your users really know how to do anything other than misspell Phog? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Kelly Fallon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam No kidding. The **last** thing I am going to do give users local admin or allow them to update their OS from a vendor over the internet. -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Because Toto we are not in Kansas any more. Go Cyclones! Jeffrey R. Waters Senior Systems Engineer Information Technology, Hanover County -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam In case the list is completely peppered with the basketball illiterate... this is a reference to one of the greatest basketball coaches who ever lived and not an insult to the residents of Lawrence (which is quite a lovely little basketball hamlet). Not knowing about Exchange is one thing... but how could anyone on this list possibly not know everything there is to know about Jayhawk basketball? Go read the FAQ for goodness sakes. http://www.kuathletics.com/mensbasketball/history/century_stories_naismith.h tml -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Puh-leeze. It's Lawrence Kansas... Do your users really know how to do anything other than misspell Phog? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Kelly Fallon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam No kidding. The **last** thing I am going to do give users local admin or allow them to update their OS from a vendor over the internet. -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
You punched a peeve. After supporting over 100 Windows home users a weekend for the last eight months, I can tell you, they updated from windows update or the 'update alert' and kept up with the updates until the computer started giving Exception OE's out the wazoo. So then they 'rebooted' (user-speak for used the rescue cd) to get their machine to start working again and now refuse to do any updates because they discovered what they think are more problems with Microsofts patches than with getting infected with a virus. When pressed on the issue (I'm a security freak) they all comment that they never keep anything important documents on the computer anymore because the keep having to 'reboot' it. I mention to them that they should be concerned about the rest of the internet because their DSL connections are flooding other users. They couldn't care less, not my problem. So what if I have to rebuild it every 90 days, sure beats crashing every single day because of some 'update'. This isn't just a few users. Nathan Black p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I wasn't talking about CORPORATE users. I was talking about HOME users. A lot of the sircam/badtrans.B hits are coming from Mindspring.com; bellsouth.net; Earthlink.com; and other home user ISP domains. If you read my original post, you would have seen that I was talking only about HOME users. In a corporate environment, it's the responsibility of the IT department (Help desk, workstation/server services, whoever) to make sure that processes/procedures are in place to keep workstations up to date, not the workers. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 December 2001 14:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why should I blame the AV product. Both problems could have been fixed by the users going to the WINDOWSUPDATE site and pulling down the critical updates. That's not too hard is it? The users just have to open IE, click on Tools - Windows Update, then when the site pops up, down load the critical updates. They don't even have to check the box, just hit the big blue arrow that says DOWNLOAD, then reboot at the end. For all the griping people do at/about Microsoft, they couldn't have made it any easier to keep a workstation up to date on basic security fixes. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Exchange Discussions (E-mail) Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Except for that damn pesky gas, the routine maintenance, the huge aftermarket and customization industries and let's not forget the friendly neighborhood mechanic who just took me for a cool grand. To some extent I can identify with both sides of the fence, but the reality is that the clueless are best edjumacated with ThE sTiCk [tm] or the fence post. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Well you have to look at this in the entire perspective. Taking the spin on your analogy. To be honest the car and computer are both useable of the lot, or out of the box more often than not. However most people don't drive the car without. Insurance (incase of accidents)recurring cost here. Checking the Tires from time to time Checking the OIL, and other fluids.. Wipers, Brakes, Tune ups? All on-going maintenance to be safe and have trouble free operations as much as possible. The virus scanner, personal firewall, and such for the computers are basically the same thing in our current world. Don't you think? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
No sir, you REALLY didn't need that catalytic converter in your exhaust system. It just robs you of MPG and makes you use that more expensive unleaded gas. I said that the user didn't need to purchase any thing else to make it useable or safe. And don't we have an aftermarket customization market as well, mouse pads in any shape, color and texture you want; screensaver packages that make toasters fly across the screen, or you can watch Kimba and Pumba tumble across the screen while you work. *Sigh* tongue in cheek mode I wonder if we can get a home computer operator license law passed. After all they register cars, don't they? /tongue in cheek mode John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Except for that damn pesky gas, the routine maintenance, the huge aftermarket and customization industries and let's not forget the friendly neighborhood mechanic who just took me for a cool grand. To some extent I can identify with both sides of the fence, but the reality is that the clueless are best edjumacated with ThE sTiCk [tm] or the fence post. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Again.. I said USEABLE, not Legal (insurance, tags, tax sticker). Having worked in a service station, way back when full service wasn't just for people with handicap plates, you would be surprised at how many almost flat tires came in, cars running without (a lot of) coolant, oil that didn't touch the stick, etc. We train (try to, anyway) people about their cars The Shell Answer Man, driver's education (in and out of high school), and general circulation magazines out the youhoo that tell people about proper car maintenance. When was the last time you saw an article about personal firewalls or computer virus protection in Cosmo magazine? [The last article on virus protection I saw there talked a lot about latex.] John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Well you have to look at this in the entire perspective. Taking the spin on your analogy. To be honest the car and computer are both useable of the lot, or out of the box more often than not. However most people don't drive the car without. Insurance (incase of accidents)recurring cost here. Checking the Tires from time to time Checking the OIL, and other fluids.. Wipers, Brakes, Tune ups? All on-going maintenance to be safe and have trouble free operations as much as possible. The virus scanner, personal firewall, and such for the computers are basically the same thing in our current world. Don't you think? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I had fun explaining to a naive-user in the weekend why antivirus software was essential. If it is that essential, why doesn't it come with Windows XP? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK p.s. I do part time Internet consulting with a U.S. ISP with over 130,000 users, on average I speak to 100 users a weekend with about 80% expressing the above attitude. 95% of WinME users express their frustration. And try explaining why Windows XP that they just bought needs 'security updates' (besides the fact that the Connexant modem that came with the system, will only keep them connected for less than 10 minutes sheesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Why does it have to come from Microsoft? Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product, the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am:Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff:RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
I haven't bought a new pc in a while but didn't most mfg's bundle McAfee or Norton AV with them? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why does it have to come from Microsoft? Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product, the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am:Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff:RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Dell and Gateway both include Norton A/V in their computers, free of charge. I've purchased about a dozen of each in the past two years and they come preloaded. Denis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chinnery Paul Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I haven't bought a new pc in a while but didn't most mfg's bundle McAfee or Norton AV with them? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why does it have to come from Microsoft? Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product, the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am:Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff:RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Flame. -4 Karma. I can't resist the reply to that bit of nonsense. No, if Microsoft made a secure OS it would be the end of the world, because you know H.E.-double-toothpick will be frozen over. (if the truth hurts, stop here) Microsoft is under Anti-trust scrutiny because they made shady deals, goes like this: 1. License us your software NOW 2. Now that you licensed us your software, we aren't going to license it from you anymore but are going to compete with you directly since we previously licensed your code. (see RealAudio) 3. You, stop making your product for Windows, and let us do that, you can keep your program for other platforms. (see QuickTime and Netscape) 4. Ignore this offer of 1 million to your head software engineer's to come work for Microsoft. 5. Also ignore this extra 500,000 if they leave you today. (see Nathan Mhyrvold) 6. Oh, you want to match that offer? then ignore this 3 million dollar counter-offer, all your engineer's belong to us. (no base jokes) 7. You continue to compete with us? Then we buy you, here is 1.5 billion (or 2?), we own you. (oops, FTC won't allow that. see Intuit) You get the idea. Nothing with adding Security has to do with Anti-trust. Then again, the deal they got from the DOJ beats everything they had before. Government should stay out of the free market, but that's another flame altogether. Nathan -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am: Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
-Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 December 2001 15:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Corporate policies may or may not allow all users to access WindowsUpdate, or if they are using WinNT / 2000 / XP they might not have local admin rights. Not quite as simple as your glib assertion would have it. True but then it's simple incompetence on the part of the network admin, A home user has the excuse of ignorance no matter how poor an excuse you or I may think it is, but a corporate network administrator has no excuse at all, preventing this sort of mess is part of what they are paid for. -- Robert Moir, MSMVP IT Systems Engineer, Luton Sixth Form College Microsoft Passport: Like Security, Only Different -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
But, the bad part is that most home users don't update... Maybe not at all. Heck, a lot of small businesses don't update either. And Whatever comes on the PC is probably already 6 months old. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denis Baldwin Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Dell and Gateway both include Norton A/V in their computers, free of charge. I've purchased about a dozen of each in the past two years and they come preloaded. Denis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chinnery Paul Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I haven't bought a new pc in a while but didn't most mfg's bundle McAfee or Norton AV with them? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why does it have to come from Microsoft? Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product, the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am:Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff:RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
hrmm.. the ones I have gotten from GW and Dell have all been full versions, yet, as someone point out earlier, they are about 6 months old and require LiveUpdating immediately. Denis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam you might want to note that these included virus product's are usually a 30day trail type thing..has been my exprience. -Original Message- From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Dell and Gateway both include Norton A/V in their computers, free of charge. I've purchased about a dozen of each in the past two years and they come preloaded. Denis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chinnery Paul Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I haven't bought a new pc in a while but didn't most mfg's bundle McAfee or Norton AV with them? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Why does it have to come from Microsoft? Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product, the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would face another anti trust case ... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am:Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27 An: Exchange Discussions Betreff:RE: Badtrans and SirCam Boy can I identify with that. And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make it usable is included when you take delivery. It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus protection and a set of system utilities if it's just for home/kid/fun use. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -- Harald van Bebber HvB-EDV It-Service GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
I hate when you fail to matriculate. It just leaves one feeling so empty and unfulfilled. -Original Message- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Badtrans and SirCam Hah. Go Terps! Missy Koslosky University of Maryland Sadly, spent more time drinking than in class and failed to matriculate... - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Go Cyclones! Well, duh. That goes without saying. Chris Scharff Iowa State University, Class of '93. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QzLWzD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/dpFolB/TM -~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *** This e-mail is not an official statement of the Waikato Regional Council unless otherwise stated. Visit our website http://www.ew.govt.nz *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
They have a new scan engine available as well -Original Message- From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam Yeah, well Mcafee 4.5.1 (NO SP) would not detect badtrans with compressed files set and scan default files (even tho PIF and SCR in the default file scan) the 4176/4.1.60 combination fixes that. So don't quite blame the user :-) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:46 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions (E-mail); Advanced Mail Admins (E-mail) Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QzLWzD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/dpFolB/TM -~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *** This e-mail is not an official statement of the Waikato Regional Council unless otherwise stated. Visit our website http://www.ew.govt.nz *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
I offer free service for my users home PC's if they want to bring them in. About 1 in 5 has AV software on them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
Famous last words: That won't happen to ME. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I offer free service for my users home PC's if they want to bring them in. About 1 in 5 has AV software on them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
A publically accessible web server I set up this week (Apache, not IIS), is getting hit by Nimda scans 5 times a day. Some folks never learn. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 13:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I offer free service for my users home PC's if they want to bring them in. About 1 in 5 has AV software on them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Badtrans and SirCam
You are 3 of 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam I offer free service for my users home PC's if they want to bring them in. About 1 in 5 has AV software on them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Badtrans and SirCam 399 hits in two days. Most are BadTrans or SirCam. One would think that these home users would have received a clue or two from all the news coverage of each outbreak. Ack... It disgusts me. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
