RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Hutchins, Mike
I would really have to guess this is a misprint based on the other
destructions in the FE/BE topo documentation. Such as, having to add
virtual servers for different SMTP domains, etc. This is our setup, and
it works fine. We have the FE in a child domain, and E2K servers in
every other child domain. Nothing is in the root.

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From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

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Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in
a different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple
of people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and
were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo
and behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled
Exchange Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall
information, I found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I
had missed that entirely in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Mark Harford
There is an updated version as of July 2002.  I don't have the link to hand
but I was able to download it from the MS site as part of a set of E2K
Whitepapers.

-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 December 2002 13:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


I would really have to guess this is a misprint based on the other
destructions in the FE/BE topo documentation. Such as, having to add virtual
servers for different SMTP domains, etc. This is our setup, and it works
fine. We have the FE in a child domain, and E2K servers in every other child
domain. Nothing is in the root.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
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Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in a
different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple of
people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and were in
fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo and
behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled Exchange
Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall information, I
found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that back-end servers must
be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I had missed that entirely
in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Ken Cornetet
1. Maybe my testing hasn't hit all the corner cases.
2. Perhaps it won't work in a future SP or hotfix.
3. When the president of the company or the CEO is trying to use OWA,
and it's broke, I don't want to call PSS and have them say Um, that's
not supported - it won't work.

I am very hesitant to put something in production with the knowledge
that a Microsoft document has said Don't do that. I was hoping that
some of the people who have implemented this have found some other
documentation saying it is a blessed configuration.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in
a different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple
of people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and
were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo
and behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled
Exchange Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall
information, I found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I
had missed that entirely in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Hutchins, Mike
Look for E2KFBTop.doc on MS website. It has destructions for hosting for
multiple domains, wether they be AD domains or SMTP domains makes no
difference, same theory.

It will become clear.

Plus, I have had a PSS call involving OWA in this org and PSS said that
my topology was fine. The call was a DNS related issue. Some nuthugger
put in a host file on a server in Jackson, Mississippi...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


1. Maybe my testing hasn't hit all the corner cases.
2. Perhaps it won't work in a future SP or hotfix.
3. When the president of the company or the CEO is trying to use OWA,
and it's broke, I don't want to call PSS and have them say Um, that's
not supported - it won't work.

I am very hesitant to put something in production with the knowledge
that a Microsoft document has said Don't do that. I was hoping that
some of the people who have implemented this have found some other
documentation saying it is a blessed configuration.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in
a different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple
of people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and
were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo
and behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled
Exchange Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall
information, I found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I
had missed that entirely in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Martin Blackstone
Mmmm destructing domains

-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


Look for E2KFBTop.doc on MS website. It has destructions for hosting for
multiple domains, wether they be AD domains or SMTP domains makes no
difference, same theory.

It will become clear.

Plus, I have had a PSS call involving OWA in this org and PSS said that my
topology was fine. The call was a DNS related issue. Some nuthugger put in a
host file on a server in Jackson, Mississippi...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


1. Maybe my testing hasn't hit all the corner cases.
2. Perhaps it won't work in a future SP or hotfix.
3. When the president of the company or the CEO is trying to use OWA, and
it's broke, I don't want to call PSS and have them say Um, that's not
supported - it won't work.

I am very hesitant to put something in production with the knowledge that a
Microsoft document has said Don't do that. I was hoping that some of the
people who have implemented this have found some other documentation saying
it is a blessed configuration.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in a
different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple of
people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and were in
fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo and
behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled Exchange
Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall information, I
found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that back-end servers must
be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I had missed that entirely
in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Hutchins, Mike
=:-)

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


Mmmm destructing domains

-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


Look for E2KFBTop.doc on MS website. It has destructions for hosting for
multiple domains, wether they be AD domains or SMTP domains makes no
difference, same theory.

It will become clear.

Plus, I have had a PSS call involving OWA in this org and PSS said that
my topology was fine. The call was a DNS related issue. Some nuthugger
put in a host file on a server in Jackson, Mississippi...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


1. Maybe my testing hasn't hit all the corner cases.
2. Perhaps it won't work in a future SP or hotfix.
3. When the president of the company or the CEO is trying to use OWA,
and it's broke, I don't want to call PSS and have them say Um, that's
not supported - it won't work.

I am very hesitant to put something in production with the knowledge
that a Microsoft document has said Don't do that. I was hoping that
some of the people who have implemented this have found some other
documentation saying it is a blessed configuration.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in
a different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple
of people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and
were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo
and behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled
Exchange Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall
information, I found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I
had missed that entirely in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-16 Thread Ed Crowley
There's a word for that attitude:  paranoia.

Of course, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean
everybody's not out to get you.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to
behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different
domains?


1. Maybe my testing hasn't hit all the corner cases.
2. Perhaps it won't work in a future SP or hotfix.
3. When the president of the company or the CEO is
trying to use OWA, and it's broke, I don't want to
call PSS and have them say Um, that's not supported -
it won't work.

I am very hesitant to put something in production with
the knowledge that a Microsoft document has said
Don't do that. I was hoping that some of the people
who have implemented this have found some other
documentation saying it is a blessed configuration.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different
domains?


If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different
domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K
front-end servers in a different domain (but same
forest) than the backend servers. A couple of people
responded that they could indeed be in different
domains and were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it
out in test, and lo and behold it does seem to work
(very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft
document titled Exchange Front-end and Back-end
Topology White Paper for firewall information, I
found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the
front-end servers. I had missed that entirely in
previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is
either wrong, or outdated (superceded by a service
pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any references showing
that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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RE: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?

2002-12-13 Thread Ed Crowley
If it works, why would you call PSS?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
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Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E2K front-end and back-end in different domains?


A while back I queried the group about putting E2K front-end servers in
a different domain (but same forest) than the backend servers. A couple
of people responded that they could indeed be in different domains and
were in fact running that way.

Based on that positive feedback, I decided to try it out in test, and lo
and behold it does seem to work (very limited testing so far...).

Now the weird part: While perusing the Microsoft document titled
Exchange Front-end and Back-end Topology White Paper for firewall
information, I found a blurb on page 16 that specifically states that
back-end servers must be in the same domain as the front-end servers. I
had missed that entirely in previous reads!

This paper is dated July 2000. I'm hoping that this is either wrong, or
outdated (superceded by a service pack perhaps?) Does anyone have any
references showing that this supported?

I really hate to burn a PSS call on this...


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