Re: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet
Friggin delete the SMTP address from the PF and then add it to the new mailbox. - Original Message - From: Nathan Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet We need to maintain the address, so is there a way to transfer the live address to a new account/alias without having to delete the original account? I know this is bordering on a behavioral problem, just I am leaving the company today (I know!) and deleting this account would need to be done out of hours. Nathan -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet That is not supported. Use a mailbox instead and give all the necessary users permissions on it. They can configure their profiles to open it as a second mailbox. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Boyd Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet Is it possible to create an out of office message for a public folder? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet The OOF asst will only fire once per sender every time its activated. An auto reply to the Internet will fire every time regardless, creating the loop you are seeing. Auto Replies Bad BBQ Good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Boyd Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop with automatic replies to the internet I am administrating an Exchange 5.5 environment and have enabled an automatic reply to the internet for a public folder. The public folder is for our customer services who want customers to reply to confirm an e-mail address. Having turned on this rule I am experiencing a mail loop with an aol user who has turned on an out of office assistant. I was of the understanding that this feature should only send one message per 24 hour period to the same address and not create a mail loop. Having tested it on my external mail account with an out of office it does not create a loop. Am I wrong and this feature only applies to Out Of Office to the internet, or is this a glitch that maybe someone has an idea to fix? Thanks, Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop
I have looked at all 3 articles and I think the errors I'm getting are a symptom of a related issue. I have noticed that if the server is restarted, the system attendant service and dependant services do not start. They do work however, if they are started manually. The system attendant service uses the local system account to start. Note that even a new mailbox, not only a moved one, is unable to receive mail on this server. Here are 2 NDR copies: The following recipient(s) could not be reached: A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Contact your administrator. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Any thoughts as to why this is happening? Santosh -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 18:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop Check out Q articles: Q260782 Q309113 Q326018 Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Santosh Naidoo Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 9, 2002 11:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mail Loop Events 1205,1022 etc . SMTP connector on one and Fax gateway on the other. Single Domain Santosh JJ Fast Food Distribution Limited -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 17:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop Are these 8216 events or some other Event ID? What connectros do you have setup? What about trusts between the domains? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Santosh Naidoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail Loop We have recently installed a second Exchange 2000 Server. Any mailbox created or moved to this server does not receive any mail. Sending seems to work fine. The non delivery reports reflect the following message A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Some errors in the event log are as follows: Logon Failure on database First Storage Group\Mailbox Store... Failed to create the mailbox of... If the mailbox is moved back to the original server, everything seems to work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Santosh ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop
Are these 8216 events or some other Event ID? What connectros do you have setup? What about trusts between the domains? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Santosh Naidoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail Loop We have recently installed a second Exchange 2000 Server. Any mailbox created or moved to this server does not receive any mail. Sending seems to work fine. The non delivery reports reflect the following message A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Some errors in the event log are as follows: Logon Failure on database First Storage Group\Mailbox Store... Failed to create the mailbox of... If the mailbox is moved back to the original server, everything seems to work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Santosh ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop
Events 1205,1022 etc . SMTP connector on one and Fax gateway on the other. Single Domain Santosh JJ Fast Food Distribution Limited -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 17:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop Are these 8216 events or some other Event ID? What connectros do you have setup? What about trusts between the domains? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Santosh Naidoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail Loop We have recently installed a second Exchange 2000 Server. Any mailbox created or moved to this server does not receive any mail. Sending seems to work fine. The non delivery reports reflect the following message A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Some errors in the event log are as follows: Logon Failure on database First Storage Group\Mailbox Store... Failed to create the mailbox of... If the mailbox is moved back to the original server, everything seems to work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Santosh ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop
Check out Q articles: Q260782 Q309113 Q326018 Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Santosh Naidoo Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 9, 2002 11:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mail Loop Events 1205,1022 etc . SMTP connector on one and Fax gateway on the other. Single Domain Santosh JJ Fast Food Distribution Limited -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 17:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop Are these 8216 events or some other Event ID? What connectros do you have setup? What about trusts between the domains? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Santosh Naidoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail Loop We have recently installed a second Exchange 2000 Server. Any mailbox created or moved to this server does not receive any mail. Sending seems to work fine. The non delivery reports reflect the following message A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Some errors in the event log are as follows: Logon Failure on database First Storage Group\Mailbox Store... Failed to create the mailbox of... If the mailbox is moved back to the original server, everything seems to work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Santosh ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail loop
You have a smart user. http://www.grinningshark.com -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop I have a user who has got 15 mail delivery receipts for an email which she sent out yesterday. Even though this delivery notification is sent by my exchange server, I am assuming that this is triggered by a mail loop in the recipient side. Am I right or is this being triggered on our side? The recipient claims that he has received the message 15 times as well. I checked the log on my virus wall server, it only sent out the message once. /// Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Original-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disposition: manual-action/MDN-sent-manually; displayed Thanks, Raj ** This e-mail message, including any attachments, contains information that is confidential, may be protected by the attorney/client or other applicable privileges, and may constitute non-public information. This message is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, do not read it; please immediately notify the sender that you have received this message in error and delete this message.Unauthorized use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, reproduction of this message or the information contained in this message or the taking of any action in reliance on it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail loop
That reminds me, I need to reinstall my copy of that here at work.
-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thu 10/10/2002 13:26
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Cc:
Subject: RE: Mail loop
You have a smart user.
http://www.grinningshark.com
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mail loop
I have a user who has got 15 mail delivery receipts for an email which
she sent out yesterday.
Even though this delivery notification is sent by my exchange
server, I
am assuming that this is triggered by a mail loop in the
recipient side.
Am I right or is this being triggered on our side? The
recipient claims
that he has received the message 15 times as well. I checked
the log on
my virus wall server, it only sent out the message once.
///
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Disposition: manual-action/MDN-sent-manually;
displayed
Thanks,
Raj
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RE: Mail loop....
Turned off OOO and reply to internet. Contacted admin at remote site. Between the two the loop went away. Thanks for the help. Kelly -Original Message- From: Saunders, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop Or use turfing to kill the looping message as it comes in. Q245465 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop You can set the Prohibit Send and Receive Limit on the mailbox to a very low number until the loop is quashed. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kelly Leavitt Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop NT 4.0 SP 6a Exchange 5.5, SP 4 I'm getting the following message from an auto reply to an internet address (I know auto reply to Internet = BAD). Anyway, how do I stop it? I've disabled reply to the internet, stopped and started the IMC and we're still getting them. We get them every 5 minutes, with all times except Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 incremented each time. I suspect that there is nothing I can do from this side, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Kelly -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:MAILER-DAEMON@ SMTP1.MX.P ITDC 1.STARGATE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:09:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:failure notice Auto forwarded by a Rule Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Received: from dap-208-40-156-159.nfas.perrysville.sns234.pa.stargate.net (HELO mti.millenniatec.com) (208.40.156.159) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Thread-Index: AcISPJIiJAuNm7sgTheoK2IIKfU7Qg== Received: from MTI ([192.100.0.17]) by mti.millenniatec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Finder re solder and dross content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: normal Priority: normal Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C21225.EB657520 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 18:10:53.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD58C40:01C2123C] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Mail loop....
OOO was disabled when I disabled forward to internet. Any more ideas? I think the problem in on the receiving end. Thanks, Kelly -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop If it's still looping and you've left on OOO, check the OOO rules on the user. Some folks use the rule sets in OOO to auto-reply or auto-forward to the internet. -Original Message- From: Kelly Leavitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop NT 4.0 SP 6a Exchange 5.5, SP 4 I'm getting the following message from an auto reply to an internet address (I know auto reply to Internet = BAD). Anyway, how do I stop it? I've disabled reply to the internet, stopped and started the IMC and we're still getting them. We get them every 5 minutes, with all times except Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 incremented each time. I suspect that there is nothing I can do from this side, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Kelly -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:MAILER-DAEMON@ SMTP1.MX.PITDC 1.STARGATE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:09:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:failure notice Auto forwarded by a Rule Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Received: from dap-208-40-156-159.nfas.perrysville.sns234.pa.stargate.net (HELO mti.millenniatec.com) (208.40.156.159) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Thread-Index: AcISPJIiJAuNm7sgTheoK2IIKfU7Qg== Received: from MTI ([192.100.0.17]) by mti.millenniatec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Finder re solder and dross content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: normal Priority: normal Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C21225.EB657520 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 18:10:53.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD58C40:01C2123C] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail loop....
Check it again. Go to the mailbox and check the OOO rules and normal rules. If nothing is forwarding to the internet, it may be just a matter of time before the last message that was looping dies a horrible death. -Original Message- From: Kelly Leavitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop OOO was disabled when I disabled forward to internet. Any more ideas? I think the problem in on the receiving end. Thanks, Kelly -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop If it's still looping and you've left on OOO, check the OOO rules on the user. Some folks use the rule sets in OOO to auto-reply or auto-forward to the internet. -Original Message- From: Kelly Leavitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop NT 4.0 SP 6a Exchange 5.5, SP 4 I'm getting the following message from an auto reply to an internet address (I know auto reply to Internet = BAD). Anyway, how do I stop it? I've disabled reply to the internet, stopped and started the IMC and we're still getting them. We get them every 5 minutes, with all times except Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 incremented each time. I suspect that there is nothing I can do from this side, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Kelly -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:MAILER-DAEMON@ SMTP1.MX.PITDC 1.STARGATE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:09:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:failure notice Auto forwarded by a Rule Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Received: from dap-208-40-156-159.nfas.perrysville.sns234.pa.stargate.net (HELO mti.millenniatec.com) (208.40.156.159) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Thread-Index: AcISPJIiJAuNm7sgTheoK2IIKfU7Qg== Received: from MTI ([192.100.0.17]) by mti.millenniatec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Finder re solder and dross content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: normal Priority: normal Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C21225.EB657520 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 18:10:53.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD58C40:01C2123C] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail loop....
You can set the Prohibit Send and Receive Limit on the mailbox to a very low number until the loop is quashed. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kelly Leavitt Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop NT 4.0 SP 6a Exchange 5.5, SP 4 I'm getting the following message from an auto reply to an internet address (I know auto reply to Internet = BAD). Anyway, how do I stop it? I've disabled reply to the internet, stopped and started the IMC and we're still getting them. We get them every 5 minutes, with all times except Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 incremented each time. I suspect that there is nothing I can do from this side, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Kelly -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ITDC 1.STARGATE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:09:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Auto forwarded by a Rule Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Received: from dap-208-40-156-159.nfas.perrysville.sns234.pa.stargate.net (HELO mti.millenniatec.com) (208.40.156.159) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Thread-Index: AcISPJIiJAuNm7sgTheoK2IIKfU7Qg== Received: from MTI ([192.100.0.17]) by mti.millenniatec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Finder re solder and dross content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: normal Priority: normal Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C21225.EB657520 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 18:10:53.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD58C40:01C2123C] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail loop....
Or use turfing to kill the looping message as it comes in. Q245465 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail loop You can set the Prohibit Send and Receive Limit on the mailbox to a very low number until the loop is quashed. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kelly Leavitt Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail loop NT 4.0 SP 6a Exchange 5.5, SP 4 I'm getting the following message from an auto reply to an internet address (I know auto reply to Internet = BAD). Anyway, how do I stop it? I've disabled reply to the internet, stopped and started the IMC and we're still getting them. We get them every 5 minutes, with all times except Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 incremented each time. I suspect that there is nothing I can do from this side, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Kelly -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ITDC 1.STARGATE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:09:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Auto forwarded by a Rule Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Received: from dap-208-40-156-159.nfas.perrysville.sns234.pa.stargate.net (HELO mti.millenniatec.com) (208.40.156.159) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 18:09:52 - Thread-Index: AcISPJIiJAuNm7sgTheoK2IIKfU7Qg== Received: from MTI ([192.100.0.17]) by mti.millenniatec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Finder re solder and dross content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: normal Priority: normal Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Finder [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C21225.EB657520 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 18:10:53.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DD58C40:01C2123C] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop at MS?
Actually, I will say that if you call in with a difficult issue, there are times when they get pissy with you because the ticket is open too long (regardless of resolution). I had a ticket open from 10/18 - the issue was absolutely NOT resolved, and by 12/15 the PSS people I was dealing with were wanting to close the ticket at the end of each call. Well, you are still having the problem. but we've done alot (and it might magically go away by tomorrow) so can we close the ticket now? It's been open for two months. We want to close the ticket. When we paid someone from MS to come in and look at it, the PSS manager I had been working with closed the ticket (without actually asking me) and opened a new one because the ticket had been open for so long. (that just added to the mess.) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
Software mirrored drive failures usually result in a blue screen. The fix is to repair the faulty drive. Not a DC or ADS issue, but clearly something that should have been fixed long ago. At $245/pop, its probably a great revenue-generator. -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar
Re: Mail Loop at MS?
Sometimes tickets are closed and reopened under a new number due to how metrics are collected on the back-end. As long as the issue continues to be worked on that process is irrelevant to the customer. It's an end-run on the backside playing the metrics game. - Original Message - From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? Actually, I will say that if you call in with a difficult issue, there are times when they get pissy with you because the ticket is open too long (regardless of resolution). I had a ticket open from 10/18 - the issue was absolutely NOT resolved, and by 12/15 the PSS people I was dealing with were wanting to close the ticket at the end of each call. Well, you are still having the problem. but we've done alot (and it might magically go away by tomorrow) so can we close the ticket now? It's been open for two months. We want to close the ticket. When we paid someone from MS to come in and look at it, the PSS manager I had been working with closed the ticket (without actually asking me) and opened a new one because the ticket had been open for so long. (that just added to the mess.) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more
Re: Mail Loop at MS?
Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop at MS?
You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop at MS?
I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unfortunately sarcasm doesn't translate well in this medium. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Loop at MS?
Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop at MS?
nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Mail Loop at MS?
That's not really true in my experience. If it's a remotely related issue or symptom, PSS has always included it in the same case for me. I've been bounced from group to group, even had cases open for months on which PSS personnel spent dozens - maybe hundreds, who knows - of hours, and never been asked for more than $245. In fact, I've been refunded my $245 quite a few times. -ryan- -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A
Re: Mail Loop at MS?
I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received-From-MTA: dns;inet-vrs-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 -- -- David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
You were expecting them to perform months worth of work for a few hundred dollars? As to the problem, since very few if any others have it, maybe the fault should be looked at as something that you've done. -Original Message- From: David J. Culliton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:38 PM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them
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I could agree as to it being something I had done if they had found something out of the ordinary. Everything they tried turned up normal results. The 5/1 closure was after they took a performance log dump and said it was BE. Veritas of course brought it back to MS. What I respectfully disagree with is the Months Of work for a few hundred statement. I don't consider that time frame to be out of line when you consider that every change required a 3 week period to determine if it was the Fix. In the 28 week period we made 9 changes to the machine. A Dll here, reboot , 3 weeks etc... etc... etc... I won't belabor the point beyond YMMV. I have had them resolve other issues very quickly and with outstanding results through 5.5 and 2000. This issue was not one of them. -Original Message- From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... You were expecting them to perform months worth of work for a few hundred dollars? As to the problem, since very few if any others have it, maybe the fault should be looked at as something that you've done. -Original Message- From: David J. Culliton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:38 PM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before
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That would indeed be a separate case. Also keep in mind that the guy to whom you were routed to work on the first issue probably was not at all qualified to work on the blue-screen; there are four sub-departments in the NT/Win2K support group. Five by now if they followed the plan I read about before leaving. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info. To receive this NDR while attempting to discuss an Exchange problem this does not make one feel warm and fuzzy??? -- -- - This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. Userxxxf(name deleted to protect the engineer)@microsoft.com Reporting-MTA: dns;inet-hub-04.redmond.corp.microsoft.com Received
Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
Seven months on an open case? And you never demanded escalation? Or to talk to a manager? - Original Message - From: David J. Culliton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source
Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
Nope. Installing Windows2000 is one issue, installing Activie Directory is another issue. Handled by two different groups. - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Since PSS has absolutely no input or administrative control over the microsoft.com domain, including the Exchange servers, your lack of warm fuzzies is ill-placed. - Original Message - From: Michel, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Mail Loop at MS? I was attempting to send an email to a PSS engineer when I received the following NDR info
Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
No comment. - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related, they'll not really help you out. ymmv i suppose. jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? Why another 245 quatloos? The case is open until _you_ say it's fixed. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? I had the same thing during a support call earlier today. (getting a 'ghosted' 5.5 server out of my 2000 environment, for all who care) I'm still having the same problem with event id 1706 (see below) which i've found numerous posts in usenet asking about, and no one seems to know anything about it. Missy even replied to one of them with a question, but the original poster never wrote back. MS wouldn't help without another 245 buckeroos, so i'm on my own. any help? (Win2k SP2, E2k SP1) Event Type: Warning Event Source: MSExchangeTransport Event Category: SMTP Protocol Event ID: 1706 Date: 3/11/2002 Time: 2:23:35 PM User: N/A Computer: MAILBOX Description: EXPS is temporarily unable to provide protocol security with MAIL.bergen.cc.nj.us. CSessionContext::OnEXPSInNegotiate called HrServerNegotiateAuth which failed with error code 0x8009030c ( N:\transmt\src\smtpsink\exps\expslib\context.cpp@1414 ). Data: : 0c 03 09 80 ...? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? You've misinterpreted a sarcastic jab at a company that millions enjoy mocking but, in my experience, provides a very reliable and stable product when administered with any amount of intelligence. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent
RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
After the 3rd or 4th tech there was a manager involved (at least he represented himself as such). There were a total of 9 people involved over the period in question. I made an (erroneous in hindsight) assumption that things were being tossed to people who could get a handle on what needed to be done. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 03/11/2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... Seven months on an open case? And you never demanded escalation? Or to talk to a manager? - Original Message - From: David J. Culliton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant
Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but...
Ah... well, just because some tech closed it doesn't mean it's closed forever and ever. Call back and keep demanding to talk to someone higher until someone listens to you and realizes it was never fixed. - Original Message - From: David J. Culliton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... After the 3rd or 4th tech there was a manager involved (at least he represented himself as such). There were a total of 9 people involved over the period in question. I made an (erroneous in hindsight) assumption that things were being tossed to people who could get a handle on what needed to be done. -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 03/11/2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... Seven months on an open case? And you never demanded escalation? Or to talk to a manager? - Original Message - From: David J. Culliton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I can't agree on their excellence. They do have their days. I had PSS working on an exchange/Ad issue which was ad locking up every 3 weeks to the day. They blamed the Backup Exec Remote for having a leak but when it was removed the necessary reboots continued. They had this issue opened from 10/27/2000-5/01/2001 when they closed it - unresolved. When I requested the case be reopened 3 weeks later I was given the runaround. When I requested it 3 weeks after that I was told it could not be reopened as it had been closed for more than 30 days. They required additional payment to reopen it as a new case. Service packs have helped increase the time frame between reboots but I don't have much faith in their people or policies... YMMV -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... They better not.. Or I will drive up there and Burn their campus down. PSS is one of the those things that they do with extreme excellence. This second and soon to be Third generation of Microsoft employee is starting to be way to manager money oriented.. They better not Change PSS. Is this why you and Dean left Daniel? Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... I'll have to agree. Up until fairly recently, whenever I called PSS, I got the help I needed irregardless and the call would stay open until I was happy. The last time I called, I was firmly told that once the problem crossed from an E2K install issue to an AD issue, I'd have to open a new call. At the time, I just assumed it was the tech I was working with. However, after reading this thread, I'm beginning to think MS is changing their PSS strategy a bit... -Original Message- From: Jeremy Pinquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? - getting a bit off topic, but... ..since many of us call pss from time to time - there was this time when i was attempting to add another DC to my network, and while working on the ADS-related issue, the Server blue screened on a boot. I was transferred to a hardware guy, who told me to do what i suspected, (boot w/ a floppy pointing to the mirror) and continued to work on the DS issue. He specifically said he wouldn't help with the blue screen issue unless it was another case. Maybe this guy was lazy, I dunno. By the way, I'm not attacking PSS - I've had a number of terrific experiences with them under stressful situations. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Mail Loop at MS? I just retired from MS after eight years in support. I know what I'm talking about. You called in with a specific issue. As long as you're not presenting a laundry list of issues that case is not closed until that specific issue is resolved. That it may need to go to another group is irrelevant. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Pinquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Mail Loop at MS? nope, i've tried to finagle them before - they're pretty specific about what they'll fix on an issue. Generally if they have to transfer you to another group, unless the problem is directly related
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Sounds like someone is sending you a message that your content filter is blocking. If you look at the message in the admin mail box what does it show? -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Strange thing is that I don't appear to be getting anything to the postmaster distribution list related to this. I am logging smtp events and this is what shows up. Realtime scan found virus: Folder = ANTIGEN_SERVER\Inbox Message = DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book File = ATT05052.TXT Virus = =*.txt State = Removed. --- -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
How can I black list this sender in Exch 5.5. I tried using Message Filtering on the Connections tab but this does not seem to work. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Strange thing is that I don't appear to be getting anything to the postmaster distribution list related to this. I am logging smtp events and this is what shows up. Realtime scan found virus: Folder = ANTIGEN_SERVER\Inbox Message = DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book File = ATT05052.TXT Virus = =*.txt State = Removed. --- -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Turn up logging on your IMS? Can you disable notification to the sender of filtering at least temporarily? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Did you stop and start the IMS? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). How can I black list this sender in Exch 5.5. I tried using Message Filtering on the Connections tab but this does not seem to work. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Strange thing is that I don't appear to be getting anything to the postmaster distribution list related to this. I am logging smtp events and this is what shows up. Realtime scan found virus: Folder = ANTIGEN_SERVER\Inbox Message = DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book File = ATT05052.TXT Virus = =*.txt State = Removed. --- -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. Now that's just silly. Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Yeah. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Did you stop and start the IMS? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). How can I black list this sender in Exch 5.5. I tried using Message Filtering on the Connections tab but this does not seem to work. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Strange thing is that I don't appear to be getting anything to the postmaster distribution list related to this. I am logging smtp events and this is what shows up. Realtime scan found virus: Folder = ANTIGEN_SERVER\Inbox Message = DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book File = ATT05052.TXT Virus = =*.txt State = Removed. --- -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
I'm logging full on SMTP interface events. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Turn up logging on your IMS? Can you disable notification to the sender of filtering at least temporarily? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
It's almost the equivalent of a DOS attack because the sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeps sending this message: DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM NOT SENDING anything to this! Unless there is some type of loop in antigen or a loop at their end. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I'm logging full on SMTP interface events. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Turn up logging on your IMS? Can you disable notification to the sender of filtering at least temporarily? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Do you have it set up so that Antigen is sending a notification to the sender? Turn that option off for a little while. ~ -K.Borndale Network Administrator Sybari Software 631.630.8569 -direct dial 631.439.0689 -fax http://www.sybari.com One man's ceiling is another man's floor |+--- || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || rg | || Sent by: | || bounce-exchange-148870@ls| || .swynk.com | || | || | || 12/10/2001 11:04 AM | || Please respond to| || Exchange Discussions | || | |+--- ---| | | | To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). | ---| It's almost the equivalent of a DOS attack because the sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeps sending this message: DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM NOT SENDING anything to this! Unless there is some type of loop in antigen or a loop at their end. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I'm logging full on SMTP interface events. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Turn up logging on your IMS? Can you disable notification to the sender of filtering at least temporarily? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch
Re: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far).
Sounds like their mailbox is just resending the email you (antigen) are sending to it. You could go into the IMS and reject email coming from the daltile.com domain. Then contact this person: Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact: Blanton, Gary (DR14952) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dal-Tile International 7834 C F Hawn Freeway Dallas, TX 75217 US 214.309.4829 214.309.4361 HTH, Guy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). It's almost the equivalent of a DOS attack because the sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeps sending this message: DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM NOT SENDING anything to this! Unless there is some type of loop in antigen or a loop at their end. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I'm logging full on SMTP interface events. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). Turn up logging on your IMS? Can you disable notification to the sender of filtering at least temporarily? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I filter all files. I have to because my users rename their *.exe files and other stuff (change the extension) to try and bypass my firewall. (Admin Box) All reports go to a Postmaster Distribution List of which I'm a memember. Here's the deal. I have been filtering text file's for some time. This just started this morning and I've already received over 600 messages. Since I sent my first email I have received an additional 56 messages. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). You filter text files? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Loop? 638 messages from Antigen (so far). I am expereincing some time of mail loop and not sure how to get rid of it. I have 638 messages (so far) from Antigen like this: Antigen found ATT04643.TXT matching =*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, DELIVERY FAILURE: User Postmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not listed in public Name Address Book, was sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was discovered in Antigen Profile\Inbox located at /My Exchange Server. I'm getting about 1 every 10 seconds? Thanks. BEM _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
