Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> On my 7.1 deluxe CD1: > libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > gcc-c++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > On CD2: > libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > As far as I know, the images for the GPL install and extended CDs are > the same ones used for all the commercial versions If you wander out RIGHT NOW and buy a copy of LM 7.1 Complete off the shelf you'll get an installation disk, a source disk, and an "Applications" disk that carries a single use license. There isn't and ext CD in the package so it would be hard to be the "same" as the downloadable isos. I'll speak no more on this subject as we've already heard from Mandrakesoft that I don't know what I'm talking about. They're probably right. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> They were, however all released at the same time, and I would suspect > were written from the same ISOs. My Deluxe CDs are indentical to the > ones I wrote from ISO (at least in terms of the packages on them). I > can't say anything about the rest, but that would be the logical > assumption. There is something more fundamental here that people need to come to grips with. Just because Linux distributors put version numbers on their boxes doesn't mean that each shrinkwrap package that says 7.1 on it is going to be the same as any other any more than when you buy W'98. I've bought two versions of LM7.1 Complete and they were different. I knew they were different before I bought them as the second one makes a big deal about the fact that Star Office 5.2 is included. Star Office 5.2 wasn't even available when I bought the first one. I think a better "logical assumption" is that these packages vary. Certainly all evidence from watching people talking in [newbie] about this issue suggests that there is variation. I, and the other guy who opened this thread, aren't talking from "assumption" however. We've got the disks in our hot little mitts and there's no way these disks are the same as the isos as one of the iso disks isn't even in the package. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
Buchan Milne wrote: >On my 7.1 deluxe CD1: >libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm >gcc-c++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm >On CD2: >libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > >As far as I know, the images for the GPL install and extended CDs are >the same ones used for all the commercial versions > I agree, it should be show. Anyway, I don't have my CDs here. I will check them, and make a list. BUT, the Linux Mandrake Essential that I bought, as I say, does *not* include the "Extensions disk" (where I understood is the libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm), but something called "Applications CD". Cheers, J C -- == *J. C. Gonzalez . -- . Grupo Altas Energias Tel.: +34 91 3944491 .Dpto.Fisica Atomica,Molecular y Nuclear Fax : +34 91 3945193 * Fac.CC.Fisicas, UCM ... . . . . .. . Avda.Complutense s/n E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .E-28040 Madrid, Spain WWW: www.gae.ucm.es/~gonzalez == Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
There is Larry Marshall wrote: [snip] > > What I can tell you is that when I did an expert install with the disks I > just bought, there was no libstdc++ and no libstdc++-devel listed in the > Development area of the package listings. > > > Below are the two files you guys have been discussing. These > > are from my 2 CD set I bought from LinuxLand as a pre-order > > when 7.1 was released. The library is on the Installation CD > > and the development package is on the Extension CD. Well, just try this and tell us what you see: 1)Insert your install cd into the CD-ROM drive 2)If not using supermount, mount the cd as /mnt/cdrom 3)type "ls /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/libstd* > Alain...did you know that Linux Mandrake 7.1 has been "released" at least > twice as a shrinkwrapped package? I know this because I've bought both of > them. The later one came with Star Office 5.2 and a few other > things. These items are clearly marked on the box. I bought the second > one as I'd given the first to a friend. As for iso variations there are > many and the highly variable file sizes have been discussed as well. There are 4 different commercial packages of Linux Mandrake 7.1: Macmillans Complete and Deluxe Mandrakes Essential and Power Pack http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fpowerpack.php3 They were, however all released at the same time, and I would suspect were written from the same ISOs. My Deluxe CDs are indentical to the ones I wrote from ISO (at least in terms of the packages on them). I can't say anything about the rest, but that would be the logical assumption. Buchan [snip] > > Larry > > > Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: > Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- |--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone +27824722231 email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za South Africas first satellite:http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za Control Models http://www.control.co.za |Registered Linux User #182071-| Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
On my 7.1 deluxe CD1: libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm gcc-c++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm On CD2: libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm As far as I know, the images for the GPL install and extended CDs are the same ones used for all the commercial versions Buchan Larry Marshall wrote: > > > My two-cd set of 7.1, downloaded and home-burned, contains: > > > > CD1 (MDK 7.1 Install): libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > binarys to be capable of execute things compiled with > > C++. The only thing you need if you're not a developer. > > CD2 (MDK 7.1 Extensions): libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > Headers and generic links (libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.X.Y.Z) > > to develop soft: > > rpm -qilp libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > ... > > /usr/include/g++-3/iostream.h > > ... > > Both usable with the gcc-g++-2.95.2-7.i586.rpm that is in CD1. > > > > Which is the mistake ? > > I guess it's buying the distribution :-) My suspicion is that they've > added them to the isos as they simply aren't to be found on their > shrink-wrapped disks. In the previous discussion I think there were some > guys who'd gotten it via isos and also didn't have the ANSI library but > I'm not certain. > > Cheers --- Larry > > > Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: > Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- |--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone +27824722231 email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za South Africas first satellite:http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za Control Models http://www.control.co.za |Registered Linux User #182071-| Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> Anyway, in the installation process I realized that there > was two additional CDs I didn't have. Well, no problem about > this... for the moment. did you purchase a powerpack or an Essential ? > But I was puzzled when, after choosing "Development" in the > general orientation for my workstation, and selected ALL the > packages (I checked them one by one anyway), I got installed > the g++ compiler, of course, lots of IDE (like KDevelop), > the binaries of STL (libstdc++) versions 2.8.1 and a > previous one (I don't remember the number), but > > THERE WAS NO HEADER FILE CORRESPONDING TO THE STL!!! try compiling with -lstdc++ > My question is: Is this a (stupid/simple) mistake from > Mandrake, or it is done in purpose? none of those. I think gcc usage has changed slightly, the same way we used to include that is really now. HA Quoc Viet Services MandrakeSoft Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> Larrythere is absolutely no difference between the two 7.1 > iso's on the various mirrors, the two 7.1 GPL CD's you can buy > from various vendors and the 7.1 Installation and Extension > CD's you get in the Macmillan Deluxe boxed set. Well Alain...then I must be lying. I do this just to deceive people about something in which I have no vested interest and with people I do not know. The other people who have seen the same thing must be part of this sinister plot. What I can tell you is that when I did an expert install with the disks I just bought, there was no libstdc++ and no libstdc++-devel listed in the Development area of the package listings. > Below are the two files you guys have been discussing. These > are from my 2 CD set I bought from LinuxLand as a pre-order > when 7.1 was released. The library is on the Installation CD > and the development package is on the Extension CD. Alain...did you know that Linux Mandrake 7.1 has been "released" at least twice as a shrinkwrapped package? I know this because I've bought both of them. The later one came with Star Office 5.2 and a few other things. These items are clearly marked on the box. I bought the second one as I'd given the first to a friend. As for iso variations there are many and the highly variable file sizes have been discussed as well. Given that you're soo.knowledgable about all things, I'll not waste any more of my time trying to convince you otherwise. For myself, I realized long ago that there isn't a "single" version of anything in the Linux community. Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
Larry Marshall wrote: > > > My two-cd set of 7.1, downloaded and home-burned, contains: > > > > CD1 (MDK 7.1 Install): libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > binarys to be capable of execute things compiled with > > C++. The only thing you need if you're not a developer. > > CD2 (MDK 7.1 Extensions): libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > Headers and generic links (libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.X.Y.Z) > > to develop soft: > > rpm -qilp libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > > ... > > /usr/include/g++-3/iostream.h > > ... > > Both usable with the gcc-g++-2.95.2-7.i586.rpm that is in CD1. > > > > Which is the mistake ? > > I guess it's buying the distribution :-) My suspicion is that they've > added them to the isos as they simply aren't to be found on their > shrink-wrapped disks. In the previous discussion I think there were some > guys who'd gotten it via isos and also didn't have the ANSI library but > I'm not certain. > [snip] Larrythere is absolutely no difference between the two 7.1 iso's on the various mirrors, the two 7.1 GPL CD's you can buy from various vendors and the 7.1 Installation and Extension CD's you get in the Macmillan Deluxe boxed set. Below are the two files you guys have been discussing. These are from my 2 CD set I bought from LinuxLand as a pre-order when 7.1 was released. The library is on the Installation CD and the development package is on the Extension CD. /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm -- MandrakeSoft Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Altadena, CA USA --Alan Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> My two-cd set of 7.1, downloaded and home-burned, contains: > > CD1 (MDK 7.1 Install): libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > binarys to be capable of execute things compiled with > C++. The only thing you need if you're not a developer. > CD2 (MDK 7.1 Extensions): libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > Headers and generic links (libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.X.Y.Z) > to develop soft: > rpm -qilp libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm > ... > /usr/include/g++-3/iostream.h > ... > Both usable with the gcc-g++-2.95.2-7.i586.rpm that is in CD1. > > Which is the mistake ? I guess it's buying the distribution :-) My suspicion is that they've added them to the isos as they simply aren't to be found on their shrink-wrapped disks. In the previous discussion I think there were some guys who'd gotten it via isos and also didn't have the ANSI library but I'm not certain. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:20:49 Larry Marshall wrote: > > My question is: Is this a (stupid/simple) mistake from > > Mandrake, or it is done in purpose? > > For whatever reason, v7.1 doesn't come with the ANSI library > stuff. You've found the library. Now you need the egsc++ tar that holds > the include files. BTW, all that stuff's included in v7.0 and v7.2. > My two-cd set of 7.1, downloaded and home-burned, contains: CD1 (MDK 7.1 Install): libstdc++-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm binarys to be capable of execute things compiled with C++. The only thing you need if you're not a developer. CD2 (MDK 7.1 Extensions): libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm Headers and generic links (libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.X.Y.Z) to develop soft: rpm -qilp libstdc++-devel-2.95.2-7mdk.i586.rpm ... /usr/include/g++-3/iostream.h ... Both usable with the gcc-g++-2.95.2-7.i586.rpm that is in CD1. Which is the mistake ? -- Juan Antonio Magallon Lacarta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> >For whatever reason, v7.1 doesn't come with the ANSI library > >stuff. You've found the library. Now you need the egsc++ tar that holds > >the include files. > > I found somewhere (I think it was in a previous post) that > one can get either the libstdc++-devel or the egsc++. We've had extensive discussions about this problem so it doesn't surprise me that you've heard what the solutions are. > > BTW, all that stuff's included in v7.0 and v7.2. > > Ups, is there a Linux Mandrake 7.2 already out? The "final" (hopefully some bugs will be squashed) is availble for download. The beta version has been fairly stable since September. > Anyway, then, am I right when saying that this is a mistake > in the 7.1? You're asking for interpretation here. If you check the installation disks you find the compiler package but not the library package. To me that's a mistake. But then I'm one of those people that believes that alot of Windows "features" are mistakes. I find that Star Office's slogan "Do it all in one place" is a mistake. So what do I know about mistakes? Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> >The "final" (hopefully some bugs will be squashed) is availble for > >download. The beta version has been fairly stable since September. > > > > Oh, good to know. I missed it. I'll check it. Thanx. I realized that I was pretty loose with the word "stable" here. By that I mean that nothing was being added. In my view, even the "final" is not stable enough to do real work with it (I should probably duck when saying that). My guess is that this is mostly due to KDE2.0 issues so maybe it'll be find with Gnome Helix. In any case, I hope this clarifies what I meant by "stable." Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 7.1 and libstdc++
> My question is: Is this a (stupid/simple) mistake from > Mandrake, or it is done in purpose? For whatever reason, v7.1 doesn't come with the ANSI library stuff. You've found the library. Now you need the egsc++ tar that holds the include files. BTW, all that stuff's included in v7.0 and v7.2. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
