Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Then again, why run VMWare for Office when it runs under wine ? Larry Marshall wrote: i got the idea but it only anoys me because i am trying to save room on my hard drive and if you use a mock install of booting of the cd into empty space or my ram then the problem is i have to install windows every time i want to use a windows app and with only a 6gb hard drive i would still have the problem of conserving space, if i did a complete install. this is why i would rather have a decent emulator so it can lie its ass off to the ap i am running and i would have the best of both worlds! I'm not completely sold on the idea of emulation vs dual-boot but consider that if you do use the emulation you only need enough disk space to hold the apps you're going to run under Windows and a minimal Windows installation. There's no need to replicate browsers, all the utility programs, graphics/sound apps, dial-up, etc. If you carefully install Windows, removing all that stuff, it'll take up very little space. At the moment I've got Windows, MS Word and Excel loaded into 370meg. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- |--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone +27824722231 email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za South Africas first satellite:http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za Control Models http://www.control.co.za |Registered Linux User #182071-| Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
On Wed, 01 Nov 2000, you wrote: Then again, why run VMWare for Office when it runs under wine ? Larry Marshall wrote: I have had no success in trying to run office 2000 under wine, any tips that may help? I do have Visual Basic operational to about 99% under Wine release 20001002. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services, Payette, Idaho 1-888-642-7101 (toll free) 642-7101 (local) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 988809 Registered Linux User #183936 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Then again, why run VMWare for Office when it runs under wine ? Larry Marshall wrote: I have had no success in trying to run office 2000 under wine, any tips that may help? I do have Visual Basic operational to about 99% under Wine release 20001002. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services, Payette, Idaho 1-888-642-7101 (toll free) 642-7101 (local) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 988809 Registered Linux User #183936 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
So sprach Larry Marshall am Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 09:36:17PM -0500: that if you do use the emulation you only need enough disk space to hold the apps you're going to run under Windows and a minimal Windows Right, and what's more important at least for me, is that you don't need to shutdown Linux when you must use a Windows app. And you're also able to have multiple installations of Windows running at the same time, heck, even Windows NT + Windows 9x + BeOS + ... all at the same time (if you're machine is strong enough, that is. For something like this I'd suggest an Athlon 1.1 GHz with at least a gig of RAM .]) Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Right, and what's more important at least for me, is that you don't need to shutdown Linux... Absolutely. This is the number one reason I'm spending time with it. have multiple installations of Windows running at the same time, heck, even Windows NT + Windows 9x + BeOS + ... all at the same time (if you're machine is strong enough, that is. For something like this I'd suggest an Athlon 1.1 GHz with at least a gig of RAM .]) Yep...I don't think conventional machinery need apply. I haven't tweeked VMware yet but with only 64megs assigned to it on a 500mhz machine, it's pretty clunky in terms of performance. Still might do what I need to run a word processor though :-) Just talking out loud, my big problem right now if figuring out how to get files into/out of it. My understanding was that there's some sort of 'super-Samba' that's supposed to be running to allow dragging files but it sure doesn't work here. I have been able to mount the *.dsk using vmware-mount and it looks like I can copy from it to a Linux directory but I can't go the other way around. I'd sure like to spend one day NOT doing something to make all this stuff run :-) Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Ken Thompson wrote: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, you wrote: VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must Uh huhI'm with you so far. configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. How would you respond to someone who answers "How do you set up VM so it can load the OS?" with "You have to configure it."? Inquiring minds wanna know and I'm at a loss. Cheers --- Larry Uh, Larry, Pretend that there is NO Win 98 on your machine now. Install Win98 IN VM Ware.. Virtual Machine is just that, a make-believe computer.. The software tricks your system into thinking there is another computer in there with it.. Just because it tricks the software (OS) into thinking it's running on real hardware, does not mean it won't allow you to run a pre-isntalled copy. I must admin I haven't the time or the diskspace to play with VMWare on linux, but last time I installed VMWare on NT, I could boot both my existing Linux (Redhat at that stage, I think) and win98. Of course, before running your original OS in VMWare, it's best to configure hardware profiles for the machine so it doesn't get confused. I assume you know that there are the vmware utils (drivers for emulated hardware basically) that you need to install on win98 after you get it running. Buchan -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services, Payette, Idaho 1-888-642-7101 (toll free) 642-7101 (local) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 988809 Registered Linux User #183936 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- |--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone +27824722231 email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za South Africas first satellite:http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za Control Models http://www.control.co.za |Registered Linux User #182071-| Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Larry Marshall wrote: Yep...I don't think conventional machinery need apply. I haven't tweeked VMware yet but with only 64megs assigned to it on a 500mhz machine, it's pretty clunky in terms of performance. Still might do what I need to run a word processor though :-) Just talking out loud, my big problem right now if figuring out how to get files into/out of it. My understanding was that there's some sort of 'super-Samba' that's supposed to be running to allow dragging files but it sure doesn't work here. I have been able to mount the *.dsk using vmware-mount and it looks like I can copy from it to a Linux directory but I can't go the other way around. I'd sure like to spend one day NOT doing something to make all this stuff run :-) Here's a solution: don't use VMWare at all. Just get StarOffice and mount your Windows partition in Linux, then you never even have to bother with the Microsoft products and you don't need to move your files anywhere because, well, they're already there! The pressure on me to run a virtual machine lessens with each passing week. I can do nearly anything I need to in Linux alone. -Stephen- Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Here's a solution: don't use VMWare at all. Great idea. Just get StarOffice and mount your Windows partition in Linux, then you never even have to bother with the Microsoft products and you don't need to move your files Another good one...if my needs were the same as yours. I'd agree that this is a reasonable solution for most people, though I still don't like that silly Star Office desktop. Unfortunately, while Star Office is very good at import/export of Word documents, it's not good enough to suit my needs. First, it doesn't have sufficient font support, though I suppose that can be fixed with some work. But more importantly, I do a lot of work requiring a lot of graphics imbedding and fairly precise page layout. Often these documents are also very large (2-3 megabytes). All of this stretches the limits of Star Office beyond it's ability to do Word import/export. Also, there is no ability whatever to import/export Word Perfect documents. This is another thing I need as I have to provide this format at times. The pressure on me to run a virtual machine lessens with each passing week. I can do nearly anything I need to in Linux alone. Note the personal pronoun "I". I'd be thrilled to be in your position as I'm wasting far too much time fumbling with dual-boot this or that and emulators trying to solve this problem. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:37:04AM -0500, Larry Marshall wrote: Here's a solution: don't use VMWare at all. Great idea. Just get StarOffice and mount your Windows partition in Linux, then you never even have to bother with the Microsoft products and you don't need to move your files Another good one...if my needs were the same as yours. I'd agree that this is a reasonable solution for most people, though I still don't like that silly Star Office desktop. Unfortunately, while Star Office is very good at import/export of Word documents, it's not good enough to suit my needs. First, it doesn't have sufficient font support, though I suppose that can be fixed with some work. But more importantly, I do a lot of work requiring a lot of graphics imbedding and fairly precise page layout. Often these documents are also very large (2-3 megabytes). All of this stretches the limits of Star Office beyond it's ability to do Word import/export. Also, there is no ability whatever to import/export Word Perfect documents. This is another thing I need as I have to provide this format at times. Let me suggest two things. First, Word format is flakey, and varies even from versions of Word with the same version number. If you can get your correspondents to export documents as RTF, you may have better luck. Similarly when they re-import your files they will have better luck if you ship as RTF. However, I have had serious problems with Word re-reading 2-3 MB documents that it had just spat out. Word is buggy. The more sophisticated your document formatting, the worse Word is. I doubt anyone at Microsoft has ever done up an entire book in Word, with ToC, indexes, appendicies, tables of illos, etc. I know I shan't again. Second, I use Applix 4.x quite sucessfully with both RTF and Word formatted documents. I have just ordered the latest version, 5.x. It meets the requirements you set out above. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
First, Word format is flakey, and varies even from versions of Word with Uh huh...sure. the same version number. If you can get your correspondents to export documents as RTF, you may have better luck. Similarly when they re-import your files they will have better luck if you ship as RTF. You don't make a living in a service business do you (grin)? If my customers want itin Word format, I give it to them in Word format. That aside, I fail to see how going Word-RTF addresses any of your ideas that "Word is flakey". However, I have had serious problems with Word re-reading 2-3 MB documents that it had just spat out. Word is buggy. The more sophisticated your document formatting, the worse Word is. Yep..uh huhI do all this several times a day. You wouldn't be referring to Word97 would you? I skipped that abomination completely but I have none of the problems you suggest with Word2000. Second, I use Applix 4.x quite sucessfully with both RTF and Word formatted documents. I have just ordered the latest version, 5.x. It meets the requirements you set out above. I'm not sure how you could possibly know this as my biggest problem with Star Office has to do with very slight positioning problems when importing Word documents. It seems hard for you to suggest that ANY program can do this as you've just chewed on MS to the point of suggesting that even Word can't do it. What I will say is that if Applixware would let me try their software I probably would. I didn't see any evidence of a trial version. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Larry, something that while it might not help a lot, at least will provide a reason for whats happened. Unix/Linux is a different way of thinking to MS. It depends a lot on "knowing" where to go for documentation (i.e., standard places on the system) and be able to go from there. MS does a lot of handholding (which in my opinion is better for the user!, wake up Linuxworld, we need good help docs). Looking from the outside, your problems stem from expecting documentation/help to be presented in the MS way - sorry, but aint gonna happen here! For vmware, the install should have given you a set of (excellent) html docs accessable from the help button on the VM window. "man vmware" gives a good basic intro - a standard unix "thing", dont know something, so type "man keyword" or "man -K search_for_Keyword", and obviously to a unix person, "man man" for help on help. "/usr/doc/vmware" has some basic files including an excellent readme for problems, again a standard place for docs. If all else fails, do a "find / -name vmware\*" as root and check out all the obvious files it returns until you know how its structured. Its all very well for someone to say RTFM, but you do have to know where to find it first! BillK Larry Marshall wrote: Thanks to all who have helped me fumble my way into this. I still found it a struggle to find the documentation on the website. It's unclear to me why they don't just put the help point directly on the documentation. They dump me onto the main page which has absolutely no reference to it. In fact, I can't find a reference to the documentation anywhere but in their site map. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Hi! I was reading this thread and I want to comment what happens to me. I have win98 installed in /dev/hda1 and linux somewhere else (suppose /dev/hda5 or something like that) If I configured vmware to boot from /dev/hda1 it gives an error... but if I configure to boot from /dev/hda., vmware goes to lilo... then I could choose to boot the already running linux (muy loco esto :) ...) o boot win98 from /dev/hda1. What I see is that if you use vmware you must think that is another machine making use of your hard disk. in this case /dev/hda and you can't boot /dev/hda1 without lilo... except that you have the mbr clean... (remember format /MBR from MS-DOS). ALF -- "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." -Morpheus, The Matrix - Lic. Alfredo Carlos López INIFTA - Universidad Nacional De La Plata Calle 64 y Diag. 113, C.C. 16 Suc. 4, La Plata, Bs. As., Argentina e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. +54 221 425-7291/7430 ext. 175 Fax +54 221 425-4642 - Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Larry, something that while it might not help a lot, at least will provide a reason for whats happened. Unix/Linux is a different way of thinking to MS. It depends a lot on "knowing" where to go for Yes...and that's fine. And as long as the Linux world doesn't want to dominate the individual desktop market, there's no reason to change that. But that's NOT what they're saying; in fact they're saying exactly the opposite. If they want to move onto the desktop they're going to have to make it a lot more stable, a lot more predictable and they're going to have to stop breaking installations every time they release a product. Documentation just won't do it. Until there's an adherence to simple things like file location standards and until making the programs bullet-proof rather than glitzy, we're going to have a bunch of stuff hanging on top of a rock-solid Linux that's just going to frustrate people. My "maintenance" time has gone up by a couple orders of magnitude relative to Windows. How many people are going to deal with that when their goal isn't to play with computer but rather get their work done. I know it's not popular to say such things in a Linux conference but please understand, I love Linux. I'm just disappointed that it's no easier to operate this Linux than it was to operate Solaris 5 years ago. In many respects it's harder as we're dealing with a much looser development model. For vmware, the install should have given you a set of (excellent) html docs accessable from the help button on the VM window. "man vmware" This is my fault...or almost.I've got it running, MS Office seems to work, my CAD system won't install and I'm going to have to go back to the docs to figure out how to get access to my documents. gives a good basic intro - a standard unix "thing", dont know something, so type "man keyword" or "man -K search_for_Keyword", and obviously to a unix person, "man man" for help on help. "/usr/doc/vmware" has some grin I've typed man more times than I can reveal Bill. Its all very well for someone to say RTFM, but you do have to know where to find it first! This was my problem with vmware. You're right, though, the manual is nice. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
On Sunday 29 October 2000 19:58, you wrote: grin...inside a box? I can certainly understand that VMware might want to diddle with its own copy of W'98 that's not installed in standard fashion. From Bill's comment it seems I've missed a chunk of documentation. Ok, just to weigh in on this, b/c its monday and I don't want to work just yet ... VMWare can diddle with all sorts of different operating systems, Windoze included. It can read from an existing install or you can install the guest operating system into a special file that VMWare creates. The first step is to install and configure VMWare, which its sounds like you did just fine. The next is to configure the guest operating system. USE THE WIZARD!! Its a little confusing the first time through but a whole lot easier than trying to get it right yourself the first time. I know... There is an option for getting VMWare to look at an existing install of the guest operating system. Just point it at the right partition. If Lilo is installed in the MBR of that disk, you WILL get the lilo boot prompt! VMWare contains its own bios, a Phoenix bios if I am not mistaken, and this is what reads the boot device. To install Windows, either put a boot floppy in the A drive or change the bios settings to boot off of the CD. This will NOT affect the real bios for your box. Then be prepared to run one of the scariest commands on a running box format c:\ :) It took two of us a full minute to actually press the enter key :) We actually flipped back and forth between the install window and a few other windows just to make sure nothing was happening to any of our actual partitions :) Basically, what VMWare does is intercept all hardware level accesses and makes the guest operating system think its in control and really doing things. In reality, you can only give up half of your total memory, and if you have installed the guest operating system under VM, it lives in a special file and touches no other parts of the drives. It also means if you have VMWare running, you need to tell it to let go of the floppy or CD if you want to use them. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
While I'm very aware of what a virtual machine is what has been unclear to me was how to set it up. There's absolutely no reason I can see why VMware couldn't grab the OS from a partition with Windows installed on it. They just prefer to hold it in a file instead. Yep by default the VM uses a virtual disk that is saved as a fileif you want to use existing installations...check the VMware documents for a section entitled "RAW Disk Access" (I think)..admittedly there isn't a lot there...one of the problems with it is you essentially have to set up two hardware profiles with the windows stuff (one for the VM and one for the normal boot). Never tried it myself becasue for me it's sounded like a really bad idea...good luck with it. Andrew Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Thus spake Larry Marshall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [...] This, however, is beyond my comprehension. The only way I could stick W98 into a "boot device" is if that boot device is a CDROM. Since VMware is booted off the hard drive where it's installed itself and configured itself, you have lost me. VMWare provides a *complete* virtual environment, including its own BIOS. So yes, you can configure its boot device to be the CDROM. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
In a message dated 30-Oct-00 14:31:44 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VMWare provides a *complete* virtual environment, including its own BIOS. So yes, you can configure its boot device to be the CDROM. i got the idea but it only anoys me because i am trying to save room on my hard drive and if you use a mock install of booting of the cd into empty space or my ram then the problem is i have to install windows every time i want to use a windows app and with only a 6gb hard drive i would still have the problem of conserving space, if i did a complete install. this is why i would rather have a decent emulator so it can lie its ass off to the ap i am running and i would have the best of both worlds! Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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i got the idea but it only anoys me because i am trying to save room on my hard drive [...] then the problem is i have to install windows every time i want to use a windows app No, you can make vmware use your existing windows install, but you've got to do it right. First boot into windows and create a few new hardware profiles. (Have a few to screw up before you break something.;)) Then set up a virtual machine which uses an existing physical disk (hda1 probably) rather than the virtual disk. When windows boots tell it you in profile xyz and it will reconfigure itself for the video, etc it finds in the vmware environment. This way you can boot into windows native and let it run with your abc video, sound card, other hardware, or start windows in vmware and let it use the vmware xyz hardware. All the same software available in both environments. MB Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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i got the idea but it only anoys me because i am trying to save room on my hard drive and if you use a mock install of booting of the cd into empty space or my ram then the problem is i have to install windows every time i want to use a windows app and with only a 6gb hard drive i would still have the problem of conserving space, if i did a complete install. this is why i would rather have a decent emulator so it can lie its ass off to the ap i am running and i would have the best of both worlds! I'm not completely sold on the idea of emulation vs dual-boot but consider that if you do use the emulation you only need enough disk space to hold the apps you're going to run under Windows and a minimal Windows installation. There's no need to replicate browsers, all the utility programs, graphics/sound apps, dial-up, etc. If you carefully install Windows, removing all that stuff, it'll take up very little space. At the moment I've got Windows, MS Word and Excel loaded into 370meg. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Larry Marshall wrote: Have you installed win98 INSIDE vmware? Sounds like you are trying to use an existing install of win98 which I dont think vmware will do - you need to go the full fdisk/format/install route within the vmware virtual machine - read the docs, they are quite good. Quite figtening the first time you see fdisk run inside a VM, hoping it doesnt escape! BillK Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): In a message dated 29-Oct-00 15:49:22 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. somehow this just confused me even more how about you larry? Think about this: when you install W98 it loads the drivers etc it needs for you particularly hardware. VMWare provides a virtual machine 'inside a box' that has a standard set of virtual hardware (video, network, etc). Even if it could find your existing W98 install, the chances of your install using the same hardware that VMWare provides virutally are very small. You need to install W98 inside VMWare. Use the configuration wizard to configure a VM and then boot the VM with an installation medium (e.g. CD) of W98 in the boot device. I know it works, because I've done it. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Have you installed win98 INSIDE vmware? Sounds like you are trying to use an existing install of win98 which I dont think vmware will do - you No, which seemed odd since they have you set up a virtual disk. need to go the full fdisk/format/install route within the vmware virtual machine - read the docs, they are quite good. Quite figtening the first time you see fdisk run inside a VM, hoping it doesnt escape! This must be the part I'm missing as I don't see any good docs. There's a man page but when I click on the help they take me to tech support on their site. I guess I need to go back there and look a lot more closely as all I found was some trouble-shooting stuff. Thanks Bill Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
VMWare provides a virtual machine 'inside a box' that has a standard set of virtual hardware (video, network, etc). Even if it could find your existing W98 install, the chances of your install using the same hardware that VMWare provides virutally are very small. grin...inside a box? I can certainly understand that VMware might want to diddle with its own copy of W'98 that's not installed in standard fashion. From Bill's comment it seems I've missed a chunk of documentation. You need to install W98 inside VMWare. Use the configuration wizard to configure a VM and then boot the VM with an installation medium (e.g. CD) of W98 in the boot device. This, however, is beyond my comprehension. The only way I could stick W98 into a "boot device" is if that boot device is a CDROM. Since VMware is booted off the hard drive where it's installed itself and configured itself, you have lost me. I know it works, because I've done it. I'm sure it does. This is definitely an "I'm stupid, not you" situation :-) Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
You need to install W98 inside VMWare. Use the configuration wizard to configure a VM and then boot the VM with an installation medium (e.g. CD) of W98 in the boot device. This, however, is beyond my comprehension. The only way I could stick W98 into a "boot device" is if that boot device is a CDROM. Since VMware is booted off the hard drive where it's installed itself and configured itself, you have lost me. umm...the VMware machine is a full Virtual Machine...with it's own bios..when you start the machine you may notice a nice little message saying "Press f2 for setup" thats like a normal setup bios...just change it to boot of the CD and feed your win98 cd into your cd-rom I think your getting confusedVMware reads a config file to make a machine...but after that it acts pretty much exactly like a normal PC (just in a window). The doco on the vmware site is quite good...I think you should really read it Andrew Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
umm...the VMware machine is a full Virtual Machine...with it's own bios..when you start the machine you may notice a nice little message saying "Press f2 for setup" thats like a normal setup bios...just change it to boot of the CD and feed your win98 cd into your cd-rom Just tried this Andrew. Set the CD as the boot location and stuffed the W98 disk in it. still no joy. I think your getting confusedVMware reads a config file to make a A constant state of affairs here :-) machine...but after that it acts pretty much exactly like a normal PC (just in a window). The doco on the vmware site is quite good...I think you should really read it Absolutely. I must have missed it on my first excursion there. Thanks. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. I will RTFM. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, you wrote: VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must Uh huhI'm with you so far. configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. How would you respond to someone who answers "How do you set up VM so it can load the OS?" with "You have to configure it."? Inquiring minds wanna know and I'm at a loss. Cheers --- Larry Uh, Larry, Pretend that there is NO Win 98 on your machine now. Install Win98 IN VM Ware.. Virtual Machine is just that, a make-believe computer.. The software tricks your system into thinking there is another computer in there with it.. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services, Payette, Idaho 1-888-642-7101 (toll free) 642-7101 (local) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 988809 Registered Linux User #183936 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
Pretend that there is NO Win 98 on your machine now. Install Win98 IN VM Ware.. Virtual Machine is just that, a make-believe computer.. The software tricks your system into thinking there is another computer in there with it.. While I'm very aware of what a virtual machine is what has been unclear to me was how to set it up. There's absolutely no reason I can see why VMware couldn't grab the OS from a partition with Windows installed on it. They just prefer to hold it in a file instead. For what it's worth, I seem to have it running, or at least I'm finishing up the W'98 install right now. I hope it works half as good as VMware says it does :-) Thanks to all who have helped me fumble my way into this. I still found it a struggle to find the documentation on the website. It's unclear to me why they don't just put the help point directly on the documentation. They dump me onto the main page which has absolutely no reference to it. In fact, I can't find a reference to the documentation anywhere but in their site map. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 05:01:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 29-Oct-00 15:49:22 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. somehow this just confused me even more how about you larry? you did start virtual machine and install w98 on to it. you're original w98 install is completely separate :-) Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
I've just downloaded/registered VMware under their 30 day trial. I've gone through the configuration and it seemed happy. I set up Windows 98 as the guest OS (I'm doing this on a dual-boot machine where Windows is on /dev/hda1) and this generated a /vmware/win98 directory that holds what appears to be a proper config file. All loads well with one small exception. The boot is initiated, CDROMs/floppy/etc are found and then it says it can't find the operating system. I can't see anything in the system config file (/etc/vmware) or the operating config file (~/vmware/win98) where it's specified where Windows is located so it's unclear to me what I should do to point it in the right direction. I can't even find this being stated as a possible problem on the vmware site so I are confused. Can someone help? Cheers --- Larry VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. -- Regards, Nikolay V. Kursov IT,Co. 380(512)500388 ICQ #57477715 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. somehow this just confused me even more how about you larry? Not sure why as I didn't write what you quoted :-) Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
somehow this just confused me even more how about you larry? Not sure why as I didn't write what you quoted :-) Mike...ignore this. I misread it and thought you were saying I confused you...which is normally the case when I write something :-) I really get a chuckle out of a lot of the software being sold (or free) in the Linux world. They've just not dealt with the marketing pressure of the Mac or Windows world I guess. I also downloaded and installed Win4Lin tonight. They are most courteous in given a 15 day evaluation and their installation seems to go well. They even mediate the installation of the virtual "machine" using your W'98 disk. Then you're dumped back at the Linux prompt. After much searching and many "let's try this" operations, I found that you can actually make something happen by typing "win". This, however, pops up some more menus with absolutely no explanation of what the options are but they are things that must be configured. Making reasonable guesses I proceeded and ultimately I got it to run...or at least now it will give me _No work-you lose due to insufficient memory, insufficient file space or something else_ How the heck do they expect to move Windows user anywhere with this sort of mess? I've come to the conclusion that the notion of typical Windows users moving to Linux is a fantasy, mot because Linux isn't up to the task but rather that the Linux developers/marketers are computer geeks who like to play computers too much and don't like to stabilize and document. This was always the problem I had when I contracted programmers and it appears that things haven't changed much. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
In a message dated 29-Oct-00 15:49:22 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. somehow this just confused me even more how about you larry? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
How would you respond to someone who answers "How do you set up VM so it can load the OS?" with "You have to configure it."? Inquiring minds wanna know and I'm at a loss. Cheers --- Larry Ok. Sorry. To boot installed OS you need select "Existing physical disk" in "Disk Type Setting" configuration menu. Only you need r/w access to /dev/hdx or you have to be root. Then you can try to boot Windows. But it will reconfigure itself for VM "hardware" during two or more rebooting as seems after changing motherboard, video etc in your computer. -- Regards, Nikolay V. Kursov IT,Co. 380(512)500388 ICQ #57477715 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] VMware finding Win98
VMware is virtual machine. It is not same your real computer. You must Uh huhI'm with you so far. configure this virtual machine how you want and install on it Win98 or any other OS. You can start two or more VM with different OS together and they will work as real computers in local network. How would you respond to someone who answers "How do you set up VM so it can load the OS?" with "You have to configure it."? Inquiring minds wanna know and I'm at a loss. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
