[FairfieldLife] Re: Sessenbrenner drug snitch bill

2005-05-22 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 5/21/05 11:09 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  What next, narcs for pre-marital sex? Masterbation? Not going to
  church?  Swearing ? Speaking out against the administration? Not
  watching Monday Night Football? Not driving a SUV? Not liking 
country
  music? 

Well, yee-har, Carrie kicks ass, no?
And Simon sez?

 
 Taking my whole life into account, I'm only guilty of one of those 
things.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego and Theoretical Bullshit

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
Wise Words.

Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  There is a simple piece of advice that a former spiritual
  teacher gave that I still think is pretty wise:  Listen
  to what people *say* about their spiritual practice and
  their motivations, but watch what they *do*.
  
  Applying that same dictum to him, I realized that he, too
  was merely talking the talk and not walking the walk.  Me,
  I'd rather focus on trying to walk the walk.  Everything 
  else is theoretical bullshit.
  
  Unc
 
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fragile Lebanon Peace Disrupted Today...

2005-05-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Nonsense. Christ's message of living fullness of life by tapping 
the 
 inner Kingdom of Heaven, not different in any way from the Vedic 
 message, was rejected by the people -- that's why He left, and not 
 because he was crucified, which He walked away from after dusting 
 Himself off for three days, anyway, according to the story. Christ, 
 on the cross, was not acknowledging God's will for him, but 
merely 
 realizing that He had to leave earth because the consciousness was 
 just too low for people to listen to what He had to say -- as the 
 saying goes, suffering brings receptivity to wisdom, and when the 
 people became more receptive by suffering for a couple thousand 
 years, then God would send another emissary to earth.
 
 



 The Jesus you know and the one I know are two different sorts:
 
 We know Jesus was a tough asshole.
 
snipped laughable Jesus stories

   Forget all that bullshit that you were taught. It's so far from 
the truth.



There's a good reason they call you rude Joe -- your POV about 
Jesus is, like Caliban, based on your brutish nature:

http://www.biography.ms/Caliban_upon_Setebos.html

Da poem:

http://caxton.stockton.edu/Caliban/stories/storyReader$3




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
As MMY has said - We are only able to love ourselves - not others.
Ingegerd


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Drammm on
 
 Of course he loves you and all the hardworking, honest
 people who have contributed to his movement. It's difficult
 to see that now, with the peculiar situation in the
 movement, but it will be shown at some point 
 of life.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As MMY has said - We are only able to love ourselves - not others.
 Ingegerd
 

***

This could be a little misleading to those not familiar with what MMY 
said, which was all love is directed toward the self, meaning the 
cosmic self is the only possible target of love because it is all that 
exists, in a variety of forms. It does not mean that we cannot love 
others, but that there really are no others for one whose awareness is 
expanded: the world is my family -- there is no otherness. 

 





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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Sunday - Seek the Truth

2005-05-22 Thread The Daily Inspiration
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  Am I really thinking for myself or am I unknowingly projecting acquired 
  ideas which may be all wrong?

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  When 
  we begin to question the beliefs that we have blindly accepted and by 
  which we've set our perception, the world as we have known it begins to 
  slide away.
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread vedic8000
The Lebanon project is not a USA Purusha project.
Don't worry about evil Americans being blown up to pieces.
Anyway, bad guys usually survive, as it's being demonstrated in Irak 
and other parts of the world were most victims are innocent civilians.
No huge casualties among Americans and Brits…
Evil rules...in Kal yuga.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 5/21/05 7:59:02 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 And how long  would it take for some Hezzbola  cleric to order the 
bombing of 
 a hotel of evil American Hindu  Yogis making  big JuJu in the land 
of the 
 Prophet?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Those American Photos of Saddam Hussain in Skivies...

2005-05-22 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   Your anti-British comments are not appreciated.
  Fuck off.
  
  The americans took the pictures of Saddam - no ? 
  
  Anyway, it is not Saddam Hussein but an imposer.
  The top folks in 
  Pentagon and the White House are well aware of this.
  
  For more information, please se;
  hhhp://www.shareintl.org
 
 www.shareintl.org, the source of infinite wisdom
 apparently.

Correct! :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Who is the best spin-doctor?

2005-05-22 Thread vedic8000
Purusha and THMD have incredible support of nature to get kicked out 
of a place of conflict and greed. The hostile stance of the Kaplans 
towards the TMO certainly did not create a good and tranquil 
atmosphere for deep meditations.

Anyway the Lebanon project is not for American Purushasso far.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  on 5/21/05 11:14 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   I am not cynical about Vedic knowledge at all, but what are 200
   Purusha, who could not prevent (with their mighty emanations) 
a 
 legal
   battle in Boone that resulted in their getting kicked off 
Heavenly
   Mountain cuz the Ks were disaffected with the movement, 
supposed 
 to
   accomplish in one of the most violent atmospheres on earth?:





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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread claudiouk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 5/21/05 9:52 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  Most of the salebale facilities were probably bought with 
donations
  from Brits for the British TM movement.
 
 Right ho. So do any Brits reading this care to comment on the 
current
 sentiment regarding the movement they have created being liquidated 
and the
 proceeds being sent to India without their consent? I wouldn't find 
this
 slightly disturbing if I were fully convinced the money was 
actually going
 to be used for pundits.

I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no reply..
The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect because 
they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now being 
taken out of the country; they were promised continued checking 
support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus been 
punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory (as 
I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that the 
organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not all funds 
can leave the country so easily?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
Have you consulted a Lawyer about this?
Ingegerd
 
 I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no reply..
 The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect because 
 they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now being 
 taken out of the country; they were promised continued checking 
 support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus been 
 punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory (as 
 I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that the 
 organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not all funds 
 can leave the country so easily?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the best spin-doctor?

2005-05-22 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vedic8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Purusha and THMD have incredible support of nature to get kicked out 
 of a place of conflict and greed. The hostile stance of the Kaplans 
 towards the TMO certainly did not create a good and tranquil 
 atmosphere for deep meditations.

THP and THMD LOVED heavenly mountain -- high quality, spacious,
natural private rooms located in one of the most beautiful spots in
the US with time available for hiking etc.  Very pure atmosphere.  The
common belief of all TBs here in FF who visited the place was that it
was the best place in the movement for deep meditations.  Note they
stayed there yrs after the K's disaffection was made public and spent
mucho $$$ fighting in court to try and stay there after the disaffection.

This is what I find interesting about TB thought processes --
overnight a place can go from being considered the most profound on
earth to the most wicked on earth based on what rationalizes the
belief system best.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Somewhat related to your post Here in Fairfield a local Jyotish gem
dealer said that many came to her before the recert course wanting to sell
their Jyotish rings to get money for the course. Nadine Cohen sold Sidha
Insurance. Others pulled up stakes in various ways. I suspect they all
believed the movement's promise to pay $4000 monthly salaries - $8000 for a
couple. That's pretty good money for a lot of people - very good for many
who have been barely surviving in Fairfield. I the salaries are not paid,
which I strongly suspect will happen, it's going to be a wake up call for
many people. Others will roll with the punch and stick their chin out again.


on 5/22/05 3:11 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems to be big changes in the lifes of all the TM-Teachers and
 other devotees in Great Britain and other countries -. I am sure many
 of them will need help to come through the process not longer being a
 part of the Movement. And some will need financial help and help from
 lawyers. As a common human being I am really worried about what is
 happening with the devotees in GB and other countries.
 Is it something FFL can do to help? Is it possible to start a network
 of counselling groups helping  those hit by the destructing forces in
 the Movement? This is a practical question. I rather support a fund-
 raising to help people struggling with their finances because they
 have given all they have to the Movement than send money to India.
 And do not mention the word Karma to me. Or as you saw you shall
 ripe - etc. 
 In my battle with the Movement it was a great help to read the
 messages in FFL - feeling that I was not alone with the experiences -
 good or bad. It is a lot of recourses and creativity among the
 members of FFL. Is it possible to use this creativity to help those
 hit by the ban?
 Just a question.
 
 Ingegerd





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 3:34 AM, vedic8000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Lebanon project is not a USA Purusha project.
 Don't worry about evil Americans being blown up to pieces.
 Anyway, bad guys usually survive, as it's being demonstrated in Irak
 and other parts of the world were most victims are innocent civilians.
 No huge casualties among Americans and Brits…
 Evil rules...in Kal yuga.

Is it going to be European Purusha. Are there 200 of them? US Purusha has to
leave their current quarters, so we figured it might be them.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 5:39 AM, claudiouk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no reply..
 The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect because
 they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now being
 taken out of the country; they were promised continued checking
 support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus been
 punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory (as
 I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that the
 organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not all funds
 can leave the country so easily?

Maybe some Brits ought to raise a legal challenge to this transfer of funds.
Any lawyers here who could tell us whether it would be possible?





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[FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Project for Invincibility to Lebanon





Dear Friends,

Maharishi has been very concerned about Lebanon since it recently lost the
government it had for 30 years and is presently without any
governmentThe streets of Beirut are full of rioting and unrestBut
Maharishi is about to turn this land of the garden of Eden into a beacon
of light for the whole world..Please read on and if you can help in
anyway, it is urgently needed.

Jai Guru Dev
Graciella

 Original Message  
Subject: Project for Invincibility to Lebanon
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:02:27 +0300
From: Ziad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ziad [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
Beirut, May 20, 2005
Dear friends,

Maharishi has recently expressed his deep concern about Lebanon becoming
a 'football of foreign powers' whose main purpose is to divide and rule.
The only way to save the country from being broken into pieces and
becoming a football to foreign powers, is to quietly create a peaceful
atmosphere and a highly integrated national consciousness that will make
the nation truly invincible. The way to do it is to establish a large
coherence-creating group. 

To help Lebanon rise above all its problems and become truly invincible,
Maharishi proposed to send 500 vedic pundits (peace-creating experts) from
the vedic families of India to Lebanon where they will be performing
powerful vedic technologies of consciousness that include group practice
of transcendental meditation and yogic flying, yagyas, graha shanti, vedic
recitations, and other powerful vedic technologies for creating and
stabilizing a permanent state of peace, prosperity and invincibility in
Lebanon and the Middle-East. Through their daily performances, they will
be radiating a powerful influence of coherence and harmony that will
neutralize the existing stresses and tensions in the collective
consciousness, which are the root cause of disharmony and conflicts
prevailing in the Middle East region. As a result, peace, prosperity and
affluence will be re-established in the area, and Lebanon will restore its
central role and become a lighthouse of peace and enlightenment for the
whole world.This approach to national invincibility and world peace has
been validated by hundreds scientific studies conducted in more than 200
independent universities and research institutes in over 30 countries
during the past 35 years.(See attached file for more details).

Therefore, an appeal is being made to all the peace-loving people to
support this most urgently needed Project to host 500 vedic pundits
(peace-creating experts) in Lebanon and create a powerful influence of
coherence, peace and harmony in the collective consciousness, raising the
nation to the highest level of strength and integration - True sovereignty
in Invincibility.

This group of vedic pundits will create an integrated national
consciousness and enliven the support of the invincible power of Natural
Law for the whole nation. A large group of vedic pundits directly
accessing the Unified Field of Natural Law, the field of pure
consciousness, will create a giant wave of coherence, which will spread
through Lebanon, the region and whole world. The result will be a
problem-free, conflict-free national life and a perpetually peaceful
family of nations.

Every well-wishing individual is warmly invited to participate in the
funding of this project through direct donations to the Middle East
Foundation for the Science of Creative Intelligence, a non-profit
charitable association that will collect the necessary donations and
implement the project in a most efficient and transparent manner.

For more details, and to donate to the Invincible Lebanon Project please
contact:

Middle East Foundation for the Science of Creative Intelligence 

Ziad Dakdouk 
Tel / Fax : +961 1 326110
Mobile : +961 3 364632
e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Address : Dakdouk Blg. 3d floor, Shehadeh St., Ashrafieh, Beirut,
Lebanon

Bank transfer details:

Middle East Foundation for the Science of Creative Intelligence ( MEFSCI )
Account Nr. : 783930 / 462 / 002 / 023 / 01
Swift Code : AUDBLBBX
Banque Audi sal, Mazraa Branch
Beirut  Lebanon


Tax-deduction forbenefactors in US:

Donors who are living or working in the US may benefit from tax-deduction
by making their donations payable to 'Global Country of World Peace' ( a
501(c)(3) charitable tax-exempt organization ).
In US, checks can be sent to the followingaddress :

Global Country of World Peace
1973 Grand Drive
Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa 52556
Telephone 1 641 470 7000

In US, wire transfers can be sent to :

Global Country of World Peace
Account 1140663
Bank: First National Bank, 100 East Burlington Avenue, Fairfield, 
Iowa 52556 USA
ABA: 073901877

For either checks or wires, donors can specify in a comment field Lebanon.
(This will ensurethat their donation will go to support the Invincible
Lebanon Project)



With All Best Wishes,
Jai Guru Dev
Ziad Dakdouk



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fragile Lebanon Peace Disrupted Today...

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





Jesus was an asshole which is why 
Jesus' followers still charge around in a fanatical frenzy telling everyone 
they're going to hell. Because he equivocated constantly and left a mishmash 
philosophy which created polarized whackos, like what MMY is doing. In the long 
run creating a movement based only upon those who are completely 
imbalanced.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  bbrigante 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:36 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fragile 
  Lebanon Peace Disrupted Today...
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  Nonsense. Christ's message of living fullness of 
  life by tapping the  inner Kingdom of Heaven, not different in any 
  way from the Vedic  message, was rejected by the people -- that's why 
  He left, and not  because he was crucified, which He walked away from 
  after dusting  Himself off for three days, anyway, according to the 
  story. Christ,  on the cross, was not acknowledging "God's will for 
  him," but merely  realizing that He had to leave earth because the 
  consciousness was  just too low for people to listen to what He had to 
  say -- as the  saying goes, suffering brings receptivity to wisdom, 
  and when the  people became more receptive by suffering for a couple 
  thousand  years, then God would send another emissary to 
  earth.   The Jesus you know and the 
  one I know are two different sorts:  We know Jesus was a tough 
  asshole. snipped laughable "Jesus" 
  stories Forget all that bullshit that you were 
  taught. It's so far from the truth.There's a 
  good reason they call you "rude Joe" -- your POV about Jesus is, like 
  Caliban, based on your brutish nature:http://www.biography.ms/Caliban_upon_Setebos.htmlDa 
  poem:http://caxton.stockton.edu/Caliban/stories/storyReader$3To 
  subscribe, send a message 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





The real irony is that in moving 
all his holdings to India MMY shows us what he really thinks of his people which 
is that they believe anything and work for cheap. That's the truth, nothing 
more. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  claudiouk 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:39 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - 
  Britain for sale
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 
  5/21/05 9:52 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:Most of the salebale facilities were 
  probably bought with donations  from Brits for the British TM 
  movement.  Right ho. So do any Brits reading this care to 
  comment on the current sentiment regarding the movement they have 
  created being liquidated and the proceeds being sent to India 
  without their consent? I wouldn't find this slightly disturbing if 
  I were fully convinced the money was actually going to be used for 
  pundits.I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no 
  reply..The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect because 
  they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now being 
  taken out of the country; they were promised continued "checking" 
  support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus been 
  punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory (as I've 
  explained previously). What I don't understand is that the organization 
  promotes itself as a "charity" - so maybe not all funds can leave the 
  country so easily?To subscribe, send a message 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub
Title: Project for Invincibility to Lebanon





Why would he give a shit about 
Lebanon in particular?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:39 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Project for 
  Invincibility to Lebanon
  Dear Friends,Maharishi has been very concerned 
  about Lebanon since it recently lost thegovernment it had for 30 years and 
  is presently without anygovernmentThe streets of Beirut are full of 
  rioting and unrestButMaharishi is about to turn this land of the 
  garden of Eden into a beaconof light for the whole world..Please read 
  on and if you can help inanyway, it is urgently needed.Jai Guru 
  DevGraciella


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon





on 5/22/05 7:17 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why would he give a shit about Lebanon in particular?
 
Maybe because Tony Naders family is there.



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[FairfieldLife] F* you!

2005-05-22 Thread cardemaister

McLaren-Mercedes is a BRITISH-German thingie!

http://www.mclaren.com/




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon





Ahhh

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for 
  Invincibility to Lebanon
  on 5/22/05 7:17 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Why would he give a shit about 
Lebanon in particular?
Maybe because 
  Tony Nader’s family is there. To subscribe, send a 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Those American Photos of Saddam Hussain in Skivies...

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
Your anti-British comments are not
 appreciated.
   Fuck off.
   
   The americans took the pictures of Saddam - no
 ? 
   
   Anyway, it is not Saddam Hussein but an imposer.
   The top folks in 
   Pentagon and the White House are well aware of
 this.
   
   For more information, please se;
   hhhp://www.shareintl.org
  
  www.shareintl.org, the source of infinite wisdom
  apparently.
 
 Correct! :-)

Oy Vey! Maitraya wept!



 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the best spin-doctor?

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vedic8000
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  Purusha and THMD have incredible support of nature
 to get kicked out 
  of a place of conflict and greed. The hostile
 stance of the Kaplans 
  towards the TMO certainly did not create a good
 and tranquil 
  atmosphere for deep meditations.
 
 THP and THMD LOVED heavenly mountain -- high
 quality, spacious,
 natural private rooms located in one of the most
 beautiful spots in
 the US with time available for hiking etc.  Very
 pure atmosphere.  The
 common belief of all TBs here in FF who visited the
 place was that it
 was the best place in the movement for deep
 meditations.  Note they
 stayed there yrs after the K's disaffection was made
 public and spent
 mucho $$$ fighting in court to try and stay there
 after the disaffection.
 
 This is what I find interesting about TB thought
 processes --
 overnight a place can go from being considered the
 most profound on
 earth to the most wicked on earth based on what
 rationalizes the
 belief system best.

It is amazing to watch, isn't it. It's a great lesson
in the delusional power of the mind. When so much is
invested in mind it powerfully perverts and distorts
simple awareness and experience to conform to specific
mental concepts. This is all in the service of
avoiding emotional discomfort. The mind wants to carry
on its own little melodrama and your precious life
with such an opportunity to awaken is sacrificed in
the process. It's really sad.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Peace group has big plans for Black Dirt

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

--- Lee Leffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Q: What is the flying yogi technique?
A: It occurs when a yogi leaves his or her body
 to reach a 
 transcendental state of consciousness. Global
 Country citizens 
 believe that if enough spiritual leaders tap into
 this plane of 
 experience, a calming effect occurs over the
 community, thus 
 reducing violence and conflict.

Ah, it seems that someone wasn't listening very
carefully during the recertification course!




 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace group has big plans for Black Dirt

2005-05-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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 --- Lee Leffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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 Q: What is the flying yogi technique?
 A: It occurs when a yogi leaves his or her body
  to reach a 
  transcendental state of consciousness. Global
  Country citizens 
  believe that if enough spiritual leaders tap into
  this plane of 
  experience, a calming effect occurs over the
  community, thus 
  reducing violence and conflict.
 
 Ah, it seems that someone wasn't listening very
 carefully during the recertification course!

So much for Unity resulting from mastering the siddhis...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/21/05 9:49:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Much 
  longer than it took GW bush to create a quagmire for the US troops and an 
  out of control lawless state in Iraq.

Quagmire consciousness anonymously. 
Coward


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/21/05 9:54:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You've 
  been a follower of GW Bush and his teachings for a long time I 
  see.

GW Bush controls your destiny and I love it! 
LOL!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/21/05 11:37:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lebanon 
  is a multi-religion state, with lotsa Christians (30% of the population), 
  so I doubt that the indigenous Muslims will see this as some sort of 
  invasion of the "land of the Prophet."

I'll keep my fingers 
crossed.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ram is a fire mantra?

Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra and is in the center
of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as Vaj says, but the
third chakra.
See it here:http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/yantra/c
hakra/gif/Manipura.gif

The Raam used as a mantra most probably in the beginning of the
movement, and highly eulogized by the scriptures, such as the Ramayana
and the Ramacharitmanas has a long 'A', and is seen as universally
beneficial. The Hindu scriptures equate it with God, some even say
that the mantra is higher than God himself. See the difference here:
http://www.devyani.com/mt/gra/ram1.gif
Raajaaraam, look at the last three letters and see the difference.
So Vaj is confusing these two mantras. Also the named scriptures , and
almost all Hindu scriptures eulogize mantra japa, and don't see it as
a beginners technique. Many of the greatest Hindu saints advocate
nothing but Japa, that can carry you all the way through.You may also
remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama,
and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana and the
Ramacharitmanas. I am not aware of any Hindu scripture calling it a
preparatory technique. I think Vaj is confusing here Hindu teachings
with Buddhist teachings.
In Buddhist teachings such techniques as Mahamudra (or Dzochen or
Maha-Ati respectively) are regarded as highest meditation techniques.
The principles of these techniques are very similar to TM, in that
they don't allow for effort or any attempt to modify ones
consciousness. Consciousness is always perfect and aware of itself,
and it should not be attempted to be altered according to Dzogchen.
Dzogchen does not rely on props like a mantra, but relies on the
energy transmission of the 'true view' by a Dzogchen master. 

Tibetan Buddhism has absorped many Hindu teachings and has attemped to
classify them within their own system, like Guru Yoga etc. and have
put them within the framework of their own theory. But the
original Hindu systems from which this has developed does not make
such a classification. The only classification which is made is in
traditional Advaita Vedanta, which distinguishes between a higher and
a Lower Knowledge, but regards only Jnana Yoga, or intellectual
discrimination between Self and non-self as Higher, and all other
forms of meditation, such as mantra japa, rituals, or raja yoga as
purificions and therefore preparatory. In any case the whole Yoga
Sutra would be preparatory only from the Advaita perspective.

I think the problem with Vaj is that he mixes too many traditions and
makes his own theory out of it. He also confuses the description of
Samadhi states in the Yogasutras, such as Bijasamadhi with techniques
to acquire it. Its nonsense to say that Bijamantras lead to
Bijasamadhi. It's nowhere said in any scripture.

 on 5/20/05 8:50 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger or a screwed up
mars
  and they'll have anything other than peace of mind--although
they'll
  GIVE you a piece of their mind...





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[FairfieldLife] Raam, not Ram! God, not fire

2005-05-22 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ram is a fire mantra?

Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra and is in the center
of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as Vaj says, but the
third chakra.
See it here:http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/yantra/chakra/gif/Manipura.gif

The Raam used as a mantra most probably in the beginning of the
movement, and highly eulogized by the scriptures, such as the Ramayana
and the Ramacharitmanas has a long 'A', and is seen as universally
beneficial. The Hindu scriptures equate it with God, some even say
that the mantra is higher than God himself. See the difference here:
http://www.devyani.com/mt/gra/ram1.gif
Raajaaraam, look at the last three letters and see the difference.
So Vaj is confusing these two mantras. Also the named scriptures , and
almost all Hindu scriptures eulogize mantra japa, and don't see it as
a beginners technique. Many of the greatest Hindu saints advocate
nothing but Japa, that can carry you all the way through.You may also
remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama,
and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana and the
Ramacharitmanas. I am not aware of any Hindu scripture calling it a
preparatory technique. I think Vaj is confusing here Hindu teachings
with Buddhist teachings.
In Buddhist teachings such techniques as Mahamudra (or Dzochen or
Maha-Ati respectively) are regarded as highest meditation techniques.
The principles of these techniques are very similar to TM, in that
they don't allow for effort or any attempt to modify ones
consciousness. Consciousness is always perfect and aware of itself,
and it should not be attempted to be altered according to Dzogchen.
Dzogchen does not rely on props like a mantra, but relies on the
energy transmission of the 'true view' by a Dzogchen master. 

Tibetan Buddhism has absorped many Hindu teachings and has attemped to
classify them within their own system, like Guru Yoga etc. and have
put them within the framework of their own theory. But the
original Hindu systems from which this has developed does not make
such a classification. The only classification which is made is in
traditional Advaita Vedanta, which distinguishes between a higher and
a Lower Knowledge, but regards only Jnana Yoga, or intellectual
discrimination between Self and non-self as Higher, and all other
forms of meditation, such as mantra japa, rituals, or raja yoga as
purificions and therefore preparatory. In any case the whole Yoga
Sutra would be preparatory only from the Advaita perspective.

I think the problem with Vaj is that he mixes too many traditions and
makes his own theory out of it. He also confuses the description of
Samadhi states in the Yogasutras, such as Bijasamadhi with techniques
to acquire it. Its nonsense to say that Bijamantras lead to
Bijasamadhi. It's nowhere said in any scripture.

 on 5/20/05 8:50 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger or a screwed up
mars
  and they'll have anything other than peace of mind--although
they'll
  GIVE you a piece of their mind...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Raam, not Ram! God, not fire

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen
So the difference is Ram = rum a short a vs. Raam
= rahm like ram Correct?


--- t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ram is a fire mantra?
 
 Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra
 and is in the center
 of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as
 Vaj says, but the
 third chakra.
 See it

here:http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/yantra/chakra/gif/Manipura.gif
 
 The Raam used as a mantra most probably in the
 beginning of the
 movement, and highly eulogized by the scriptures,
 such as the Ramayana
 and the Ramacharitmanas has a long 'A', and is seen
 as universally
 beneficial. The Hindu scriptures equate it with God,
 some even say
 that the mantra is higher than God himself. See the
 difference here:
 http://www.devyani.com/mt/gra/ram1.gif
 Raajaaraam, look at the last three letters and see
 the difference.
 So Vaj is confusing these two mantras. Also the
 named scriptures , and
 almost all Hindu scriptures eulogize mantra japa,
 and don't see it as
 a beginners technique. Many of the greatest Hindu
 saints advocate
 nothing but Japa, that can carry you all the way
 through.You may also
 remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the
 bithplace of Raama,
 and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana
 and the
 Ramacharitmanas. I am not aware of any Hindu
 scripture calling it a
 preparatory technique. I think Vaj is confusing here
 Hindu teachings
 with Buddhist teachings.
 In Buddhist teachings such techniques as Mahamudra
 (or Dzochen or
 Maha-Ati respectively) are regarded as highest
 meditation techniques.
 The principles of these techniques are very similar
 to TM, in that
 they don't allow for effort or any attempt to modify
 ones
 consciousness. Consciousness is always perfect and
 aware of itself,
 and it should not be attempted to be altered
 according to Dzogchen.
 Dzogchen does not rely on props like a mantra, but
 relies on the
 energy transmission of the 'true view' by a Dzogchen
 master. 
 
 Tibetan Buddhism has absorped many Hindu teachings
 and has attemped to
 classify them within their own system, like Guru
 Yoga etc. and have
 put them within the framework of their own theory.
 But the
 original Hindu systems from which this has developed
 does not make
 such a classification. The only classification which
 is made is in
 traditional Advaita Vedanta, which distinguishes
 between a higher and
 a Lower Knowledge, but regards only Jnana Yoga, or
 intellectual
 discrimination between Self and non-self as Higher,
 and all other
 forms of meditation, such as mantra japa, rituals,
 or raja yoga as
 purificions and therefore preparatory. In any case
 the whole Yoga
 Sutra would be preparatory only from the Advaita
 perspective.
 
 I think the problem with Vaj is that he mixes too
 many traditions and
 makes his own theory out of it. He also confuses the
 description of
 Samadhi states in the Yogasutras, such as
 Bijasamadhi with techniques
 to acquire it. Its nonsense to say that Bijamantras
 lead to
 Bijasamadhi. It's nowhere said in any scripture.
 
  on 5/20/05 8:50 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger
 or a screwed up
 mars
   and they'll have anything other than peace of
 mind--although
 they'll
   GIVE you a piece of their mind...
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 3:12:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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In my 
  battle with the Movement it was a great help to read the messages in FFL - 
  feeling that I was not alone with the experiences - good or bad. It is a 
  lot of recourses and creativity among the members of FFL. Is it possible 
  to use this creativity to help those hit by the ban?Just a 
  question.Ingegerd

Ingegerd, Britain is only the first country for the TMO to 
leave .There will probably be more until all the capital , money,is safely in 
India. When MMY takes leave, you can expect great suffering on the part of those 
in the west that devoted their lives to him. Too many of the TMO full timers 
never grew up, choosing to live in their fantasy land never preparing for their 
futures with no retirement plan , SS or skills in the outside world with dealing 
with real people, what the hell will happen to 
them?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 3:36:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 
  Lebanon project is not a USA Purusha project.Don't worry about evil 
  Americans being blown up to pieces.Anyway, bad guys usually survive, as 
  it's being demonstrated in Irak and other parts of the world were most 
  victims are innocent civilians.No huge casualties among Americans and 
  BritsEvil rules...in Kal yuga.

Oh, thank God! I can uncross my fingers 
now.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raam, not Ram! God, not fire

2005-05-22 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So the difference is Ram = rum a short a vs. Raam
 = rahm like ram Correct?

Not sure about american transliteration (I am german), but I think
yes, correct.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 7:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why would he give a shit about 
  Lebanon in particular?

I say, put his money where his mouth is and try this in Iraq. 
HEEHEHEHEHE


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 7:28:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why would he give a shit about 
Lebanon in particular?
Maybe because 
  Tony Naders family is there. 

N!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Raam, not Ram! God, not fire

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj

On May 22, 2005, at 10:05 AM, t3rinity wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ram is a fire mantra?

 Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra and is in the center
 of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as Vaj says, but the
 third chakra.

I never attributed it to a chakra and honestly you are incorrect, 
because it depends which chakra system you are using. Different systems 
will reverse these two centers, depending on their intent. This is a 
very important point!


 So Vaj is confusing these two mantras.

No I am not. I indicated there were TWO mantras. The only way to know 
for sure is to have the actual mantric character itself or an authentic 
transliteration.

I also gave a modern example of parallel movements where the fire 
mantra is specifically used.


  I think Vaj is confusing here Hindu teachings
 with Buddhist teachings.

No I am specifically referring to Hindu teaching in the context to 
which you refer, specifically yoga-darshana and samkhya.

 In Buddhist teachings such techniques as Mahamudra (or Dzochen or
 Maha-Ati respectively) are regarded as highest meditation techniques.
 The principles of these techniques are very similar to TM, in that
 they don't allow for effort or any attempt to modify ones
 consciousness.

As someone trained in all the series of Ati-yoga (Dzogchen) I can tell 
you there is no similarity to TM. The primary similarity in Buddhism 
would be to shinay (shine).

  Consciousness is always perfect and aware of itself,
 and it should not be attempted to be altered according to Dzogchen.
 Dzogchen does not rely on props like a mantra, but relies on the
 energy transmission of the 'true view' by a Dzogchen master.

Dzogchen does not rely on an energy transmission.

 I think the problem with Vaj is that he mixes too many traditions and
 makes his own theory out of it. He also confuses the description of
 Samadhi states in the Yogasutras, such as Bijasamadhi with techniques
 to acquire it. Its nonsense to say that Bijamantras lead to
 Bijasamadhi. It's nowhere said in any scripture.

This is an incorrect, unbased assumption. I rely of oral and 
experiential instructions of Patanjali from line holders.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 9:48:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Think of 
  the freedom when MMY pulls out of the USA.Lots of clear transcending and 
  realization on thatday!

The sleepers will awaken! moadebe, 
moadebe,moadebe,moadebe.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
I still think the TM-Teachers need counseling to be free. Some place to 
turn to. Not everybody knows about FFL.

Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/22/05 9:48:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Think of  the freedom when MMY pulls out of the USA.
 Lots of clear transcending and  realization on that
 day!
 
 
 
 
 The sleepers will awaken!   moadebe,  moadebe,moadebe,moadebe.




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[FairfieldLife] Help

2005-05-22 Thread Jeff Fischer
How do you guys view the topic of help?  Do you think MMY and the 
Movement are trying to help (even if - as I get some of you feel - in a 
delusional or ineffectual manner)? 

Is help part of your personal program or on your agenda?  It seems 
like a lot of posts are trying to clarify things where others are more 
derisive.  Yet, is everyone's intent still to help someone with their 
POV?

Thanks for any responses.

Jeff F.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon





on 5/22/05 6:39 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To help Lebanon rise above all its problems and become truly invincible,
Maharishi proposed to send 500 vedic pundits (peace-creating experts) from
the vedic families of India to Lebanon where they will be performing
powerful vedic technologies of consciousness ...

Lets see. The pundits cant come to Fairfield because their parents are worried about terrorism, so theyre going to go to Lebanon?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fragile Lebanon Peace Disrupted Today...

2005-05-22 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/21/05 11:15:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 I doubt  if Purusha will go to Lebanon -- if they do, they won't stay 
 for  long.
 
 
 
 It's just another gimmick to raise  money.

It's been about fund raising and real estate for some time. India's
middle class is now above 300 million, a real untapped resource.


JohnY 
(Just another evil American) 





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[FairfieldLife] FFL techniques

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FFL techniques





Ive added the following to the guidelines people receive when they subscribe. Does anyone here have any techniques or advice to add to this?:


Fairfield Life averages 100-150 posts a day; 300+ on peak days. To avoid having your inbox flooded, we suggest one of the following:

1) Opt to receive the emails, but create a folder in your email client and a rule to direct all FFL posts to that folder.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 9:03 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks. Knowledgeable posts like this enrich FFL tremendously.

 You may also
 remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama,
 and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana and the
 Ramacharitmanas. 

I heard that the Ramacharitmanas was his favorite book.





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[FairfieldLife] Linda Davis

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Linda Davis





Does anyone remember Linda Davis, maiden name Linda Blackner? She was married to Gary Davis (TM teacher) and later was Bob Doanes girlfriend during the 108 days. She was a close friend of my wife in high school. Weve tried unsuccessfully to track her down. If anyone has any news of her, please let me know.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wouldn't find this
 slightly disturbing if I were fully convinced the money was actually 
going
 to be used for pundits.
 
 Rick, you're writing rhetoric says nothing. What the fuck are 
you trying to say. Are you saying
 (a) you wouldn't be concerned no matter what
 (b) slightly concerned if it was used for pundits
 (c) totally outright concerned if it was used for pundits
 (d) freaked out if not used for pundits but for the Maharishi 
Organic Toilet Paper #1 Amrit and #2 Nectar factory
 (e) sickened like similar to over cat beheading pederast priests 
because it sounds just as sick altogether
 
 Why not say what you mean.  Ram is fire mantra. 2nd Chakra. How long 
have you been studying this shit now? Are you alright. You've been 
floating around lately. This ain't the Rick I know.


Llundrub get back in your cage.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/21/05 9:49:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Much  longer than it took GW bush to create a quagmire for the US 
 troops and an  out of control lawless state in Iraq.
 
 
 
 
 Quagmire consciousness anonymously.   Coward


Tell me where you live I'll meet you in the street . You're the  
coward. You and GW Bush and his quagmire.

The only reason I use off_world_beings is because I dont want people 
in TMO visiting me or calling me. But I will meet you in the street if 
you like and we will see who the coward is.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/21/05 9:54:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 You've  been a follower of GW Bush and his teachings for a long time 
 I  see.
 
 
 
 GW Bush controls your destiny and I love it!  LOL!

Quagmire Bush. Get used to it. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Help

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 10:33 AM, Jeff Fischer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do you guys view the topic of help?  Do you think MMY and the
 Movement are trying to help (even if - as I get some of you feel - in a
 delusional or ineffectual manner)?
 
 Is help part of your personal program or on your agenda?  It seems
 like a lot of posts are trying to clarify things where others are more
 derisive.  Yet, is everyone's intent still to help someone with their
 POV?

I don't presume to be helping anyone in the sense that I'm wiser than they
and I'm here to enlighten them. But many find FFL helpful in general and for
them I'm glad to have created and helped to maintain it. I find it helpful
to learn the truth about things, even if it is disillusioning. After all, we
all want to come out of illusion, right? 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Help

2005-05-22 Thread eloigne24
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do you guys view the topic of help?  Do you think MMY and the 
 Movement are trying to help (even if - as I get some of you feel - 
in a 
 delusional or ineffectual manner)? 
 
 Is help part of your personal program or on your agenda?  It seems 
 like a lot of posts are trying to clarify things where others are 
more 
 derisive.  Yet, is everyone's intent still to help someone with 
their 
 POV?
 
 Thanks for any responses.
 
 Jeff F.

I don't know if this is helpful - but a comment made to someone in 
this situation, because every time we meditate we are thankful for the 
experience, and for all the experiences we have had in the past - 
Maharishi has given us something incredibly precious - although 
inevitably like all change it will involve to some extent some grief 
and loss, but also hopefully celebration of what it has always held at 
its heart and what it has given to your heartfulness.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
In the never-neverland world of the TMO, that's what passes for logic.

Sal


On May 22, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 Lets see. The pundits cant come to Fairfield because their parents are worried about terrorism, so theyre going to go to Lebanon?



[FairfieldLife] 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: 7,000 in Israel quote





Fax from Benny Feldman to Bobby Roth

12/24/94
Jai Guru Dev

We came across an interesting quote from the 1600s. We are going to popularize this vision showing that with the group of 7,000 flyers in Israel we are preparing the ground for the Messiah to come and proclaim his blessings for all mankind. With best wishes.
Benny

>From the Book Hesed LAvraham
By Rabbi Avraham Afulai (lived in the 17th century)
About the Glory in Israel on the Arrival of the Messiah
Know that we have a tradition of Kabalah that on that day when the Messiah King arrives, together with the gathering of the Diaspora he will find there in Israel 7,000 of the children of Israel.
And on that day the dead[1] #_ftn1 in Israel will rise and also on that day the walls of Jerusalem will go away, and he will build them again from precious stones and pearls. And then the dead who are in Israel will come back on their revival to a new spiritual creation. And also the 7,000 who are alive at that time, there, will also all be a new creationa body of spirituality like the body of the first man before he had sinned, and like the bodies of Hanoch, Moses and Elisha, and they will all rove in the air and fly like eagles and all of this will be in front of those gathered from the Diaspora. And when this gathering will see their brothers become new creations and fly in the air to live in the Garden of Eden, to learn the scripture from the mouth of God, then they will gather together
And the Messiah King will reply [to the gathering of the Diaspora] God will give you immeasurable wealth as all silver and gold and precious stones and pearls that are drowned in any of the seas. That sea is ordered to bring it all to the sea of Jaffa. Everything will come to the Sea of Jaffa and it will eject it and the Messiah King will distribute a share to each Tzadik[2] #_ftn2 as he deserves And also all the treasures under the Earth. The land will be made of holes so that all treasures and remedies will roll there and it will bring them to Israel to distribute them to the gathering of the Diaspora, to each one as he deserves, and they will be endowed with much wealth. But those who did not feel for their wealth and bodies and took careof their spirits and souls, God will give them many favors to make them a new creation and lead them to [a Heaven inhabited by mortals].

[1] #_ftnref1 unenlightened

[2] #_ftnref2 enlightened




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in Israel 
and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fax from Benny Feldman to Bobby Roth
  
 12/24/94
 Jai Guru Dev
  
 We came across an interesting quote from the 1600¹s. We are going to
 popularize this vision showing that with the group of 7,000 flyers 
in Israel
 we are preparing the ground for the Messiah to come and proclaim his
 blessings for all mankind. With best wishes.
 Benny
  
 From the Book Hesed L¹Avraham
 By Rabbi Avraham Afulai (lived in the 17th century)
 About the Glory in Israel on the Arrival of the Messiah
 ³Know that we have a tradition of Kabalah that on that day when the 
Messiah
 King arrives, together with the gathering of the Diaspora he will 
find there
 in Israel 7,000 of the children of Israel.
 ³And on that day the dead[1] #_ftn1 in Israel will rise and also 
on that
 day the walls of Jerusalem will go away, and he will build them 
again from
 precious stones and pearls. And then the dead who are in Israel 
will come
 back on their revival to a new spiritual creation. And also the 
7,000 who
 are alive at that time, there, will also all be a new creation‹a 
body of
 spirituality like the body of the first man before he had sinned, 
and like
 the bodies of Hanoch, Moses and Elisha, and they will all rove in 
the air
 and fly like eagles and all of this will be in front of those 
gathered from
 the Diaspora. And when this gathering will see their brothers 
become new
 creations and fly in the air to live in the Garden of Eden, to 
learn the
 scripture from the mouth of God, then they will gather togetherŠ
 ³And the Messiah King will reply [to the gathering of the Diaspora]
Š ŒGod
 will give you immeasurable wealth as all silver and gold and 
precious stones
 and pearls that are drowned in any of the seas. That sea is ordered 
to bring
 it all to the sea of JaffaŠ. Everything will come to the Sea of 
Jaffa and it
 will eject it and the Messiah King will distribute a share to each 
Tzadik[2]
 #_ftn2 as he deservesŠ And also all the treasures under the 
Earth. The
 land will be made of holes so that all treasures and remedies will 
roll
 there and it will bring them to Israel to distribute them to the 
gathering
 of the Diaspora, to each one as he deserves, and they will be 
endowed with
 much wealth. But those who did not feel for their wealth and bodies 
and took
 careŠof their spirits and souls, God will give them many favors to 
make them
 a new creation and lead them to [a Heaven inhabited by mortals]¹.²
 
 
 [1] #_ftnref1 unenlightened
 
 [2] #_ftnref2 enlightened




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj

On May 22, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Ingegerd wrote:

 In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in Israel
 and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?

And some parts of Canada had over 1%. Canada IMO is a sattvic 
country--certainly compared to the US. Inner spirituality in general is 
very prevalent there, cities are spotless, etc.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 22, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Ingegerd wrote:
 
  In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in Israel
  and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?
 
 And some parts of Canada had over 1%. Canada IMO is a sattvic 
 country--certainly compared to the US. Inner spirituality in general 
is 
 very prevalent there, cities are spotless, etc.

Canada is a racist country on the verge of splitting up.  How sattvic 
is that?

But for the grace of the United States does Canada enjoy the standard 
of living that they enjoy.  Of course, they've never said thank you 
to the U.S. for it...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in 
Israel 
 and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?
 Ingegerd


Let's see.

Since the '70s, Canada has almost broken up twice because of Quebec 
separatism (and Quebec had and still has the highest percentage of 
mediatators in Canada) and Israel are, according to MMY, murderers.


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Fax from Benny Feldman to Bobby Roth
   
  12/24/94
  Jai Guru Dev
   
  We came across an interesting quote from the 1600¹s. We are 
going to
  popularize this vision showing that with the group of 7,000 
flyers 
 in Israel
  we are preparing the ground for the Messiah to come and proclaim 
his
  blessings for all mankind. With best wishes.
  Benny
   
  From the Book Hesed L¹Avraham
  By Rabbi Avraham Afulai (lived in the 17th century)
  About the Glory in Israel on the Arrival of the Messiah
  ³Know that we have a tradition of Kabalah that on that day when 
the 
 Messiah
  King arrives, together with the gathering of the Diaspora he 
will 
 find there
  in Israel 7,000 of the children of Israel.
  ³And on that day the dead[1] #_ftn1 in Israel will rise and 
also 
 on that
  day the walls of Jerusalem will go away, and he will build them 
 again from
  precious stones and pearls. And then the dead who are in Israel 
 will come
  back on their revival to a new spiritual creation. And also the 
 7,000 who
  are alive at that time, there, will also all be a new creation‹a 
 body of
  spirituality like the body of the first man before he had 
sinned, 
 and like
  the bodies of Hanoch, Moses and Elisha, and they will all rove 
in 
 the air
  and fly like eagles and all of this will be in front of those 
 gathered from
  the Diaspora. And when this gathering will see their brothers 
 become new
  creations and fly in the air to live in the Garden of Eden, to 
 learn the
  scripture from the mouth of God, then they will gather togetherŠ
  ³And the Messiah King will reply [to the gathering of the 
Diaspora]
 Š ŒGod
  will give you immeasurable wealth as all silver and gold and 
 precious stones
  and pearls that are drowned in any of the seas. That sea is 
ordered 
 to bring
  it all to the sea of JaffaŠ. Everything will come to the Sea of 
 Jaffa and it
  will eject it and the Messiah King will distribute a share to 
each 
 Tzadik[2]
  #_ftn2 as he deservesŠ And also all the treasures under the 
 Earth. The
  land will be made of holes so that all treasures and remedies 
will 
 roll
  there and it will bring them to Israel to distribute them to the 
 gathering
  of the Diaspora, to each one as he deserves, and they will be 
 endowed with
  much wealth. But those who did not feel for their wealth and 
bodies 
 and took
  careŠof their spirits and souls, God will give them many favors 
to 
 make them
  a new creation and lead them to [a Heaven inhabited by mortals]
¹.²
  
  
  [1] #_ftnref1 unenlightened
  
  [2] #_ftnref2 enlightened




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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread claudiouk
No, no lawyer - my request was more as a symbolic protest. In any case 
meditators have carefully been kept in effective isolation from each 
other - there is no sense of community except for the European 
Siddhaland - so no way to contact eachother to act as a group. Also a 
legal challenge might itself be expensive.. Better than that would be 
for OTHER meditators around the world to ACT NOW to keep assets within 
THEIR country, STOP giving donations - at least without first pointing 
out how the Brits have been treated unethically etc and GET TOGETHER as 
a community, if possible. Ingegerd mentioned help - probably 
connecting to a forum like FFL is a start.. maybe in future one could 
help by highlighting the existence of INDEPENDENT teachers. Now is the 
time to make such informal networks more FORMAL.. at least in the UK. 

But just supposing David Lynch manages to convince someone like Lord 
Sainsbury to finance a 7,000 group for the UK (he WANTS to give away 
£1billion.. but presumably not to TMO) would MMY change his mind?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you consulted a Lawyer about this?
 Ingegerd
  
  I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no reply..
  The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect because 
  they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now being 
  taken out of the country; they were promised continued checking 
  support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus been 
  punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory (as 
  I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that the 
  organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not all 
funds 
  can leave the country so easily?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread gullible fool
 
 A large group of vedic
 pundits directly
 accessing the Unified Field of Natural Law, the
 field of pure
 consciousness, will create a giant wave of
 coherence, which will spread
 through Lebanon, the region and whole world. 

Wow! The whole world? It just gets more and more
amazing!
 
I am willing to match Llundrub's donations to this
noble cause.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Friends,
 
 Maharishi has been very concerned about Lebanon
 since it recently lost the
 government it had for 30 years and is presently
 without any
 governmentThe streets of Beirut are full of
 rioting and unrestBut
 Maharishi is about to turn this land of the garden
 of Eden into a beacon
 of light for the whole world..Please read on and
 if you can help in
 anyway, it is urgently needed.
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 Graciella
 
  Original Message 
 Subject:  Project for Invincibility to Lebanon
 Date:  Sat, 21 May 2005 13:02:27 +0300
 From:  Ziad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:  Ziad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

 
    
                
 Beirut, May 20, 2005
 Dear friends,
 
 Maharishi has recently expressed his deep concern
 about Lebanon  becoming
 a 'football of foreign powers' whose main purpose is
 to divide and rule.
 The only way to save the country  from being broken
 into pieces and
 becoming a football to foreign powers, is to quietly
 create a peaceful
 atmosphere and a highly integrated national
 consciousness that will make
 the nation truly invincible. The way to do it is to
 establish a large
 coherence-creating group.
 
 To help Lebanon rise above all its problems and
 become truly invincible,
 Maharishi proposed to send 500 vedic pundits
 (peace-creating experts) from
 the vedic families of India to Lebanon where they
 will be performing
 powerful vedic technologies of consciousness that
 include group practice
 of transcendental meditation and yogic flying,
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 enlightenment for the
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 been validated by hundreds scientific studies
 conducted in more than 200
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 Therefore, an appeal is being made to all the
 peace-loving people to
 support this most urgently needed Project to host
 500 vedic pundits
 (peace-creating experts) in Lebanon and create a
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 coherence, peace and harmony in the collective
 consciousness, raising the
 nation to the highest level of strength and
 integration - True sovereignty
 in Invincibility.
  
 This group of vedic pundits will create an
 integrated national
 consciousness and enliven the support of the
 invincible power of Natural
 Law for the whole nation. A large group of vedic
 pundits directly
 accessing the Unified Field of Natural Law, the
 field of pure
 consciousness, will create a giant wave of
 coherence, which will spread
 through Lebanon, the region and whole world. The
 result will be a
 problem-free, conflict-free national life and a
 perpetually peaceful
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  Every well-wishing individual is warmly invited to
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the best spin-doctor?

2005-05-22 Thread gullible fool
 
I visited HM for a few days in the summer of 2000.
They weather isn't so good there, being at the top of
a mountain, and it was cloudy and rainy much of the
time I was there. Unbelievably, the TMO spent three
years looking for a place with an ideal climate before
deciding on a mountain in Boone. I visited several
rooms belonging to old friends and some had pretty
impressive quarters, meaning a loft and, I think, at
least two rooms on the first floor. They had to get in
early and pay extra for that - they didn't all have
residences like that.

The atmosphere there was a far distant second to the
atmosphere in Fairfield, though.
 
 
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vedic8000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Purusha and THMD have incredible support of nature
 to get kicked out 
  of a place of conflict and greed. The hostile
 stance of the Kaplans 
  towards the TMO certainly did not create a good
 and tranquil 
  atmosphere for deep meditations.
 
 THP and THMD LOVED heavenly mountain -- high
 quality, spacious,
 natural private rooms located in one of the most
 beautiful spots in
 the US with time available for hiking etc.  Very
 pure atmosphere.  The
 common belief of all TBs here in FF who visited the
 place was that it
 was the best place in the movement for deep
 meditations.  Note they
 stayed there yrs after the K's disaffection was made
 public and spent
 mucho $$$ fighting in court to try and stay there
 after the disaffection.
 
 This is what I find interesting about TB thought
 processes --
 overnight a place can go from being considered the
 most profound on
 earth to the most wicked on earth based on what
 rationalizes the
 belief system best.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread gullible fool
 
 British society - schools are like a warzone

 immigration out of 
 control 

 cultural integrity eroded, young people and key
 workers cannot afford 
 homes etc etc.   

Same problems in the US.


--- eloigne24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 5/21/05 9:52 PM, off_world_beings at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
   Most of the salebale facilities were probably
 bought with donations
   from Brits for the British TM movement.
  
  Right ho. So do any Brits reading this care to
 comment on the current
  sentiment regarding the movement they have created
 being liquidated 
 and the
  proceeds being sent to India without their
 consent? I wouldn't find 
 this
  slightly disturbing if I were fully convinced the
 money was actually 
 going
  to be used for pundits.
 
 Some comments about the UK: The Independent
 newspaper is campaigning 
 for electoral reform, for proportional
 representation (of course T 
 Blair saying not necessary). Just 22% of the
 electorate backed Blair, 
 he won 36% of the votes cast, and 55% of the seats
 in the House of 
 Commons. It seems strange for the TMO to rail
 against democracy - and 
 then react when it's shown not to work.
 
 The fundamental issue it seems to me is that Blair
 represents the 
 greatest problem in our society as a whole - that of
 image. It 
 permeates every aspect of our lives. Just look at
 the DSM IV 
 description of narcissistic personality disorder -
 and then look at 
 Bush and Blair - and the societies they represent.
 Blair is wrecking 
 British society - schools are like a warzone (just
 talk to a few 
 beleagured teachers) because of pupil behaviour and
 the overall yob 
 culture, hospitals and transport struggling,
 immigration out of 
 control (if you trumpet cool Britannia's image you
 can't then 
 complain if people want to come there - but it is
 just an image), 
 cultural integrity eroded, young people and key
 workers cannot afford 
 homes etc etc. But people say the atmosphere on that
 huge march 
 against the Iraq war was absolutely fantastic.
 
 It is terribly sad for the many dedicated people
 involved in TM, the 
 ones who have given the most. If money had not been
 frittered away 
 over the years on image-type projects then there
 might be more 
 established. But there are a lot of people growing
 and developing, 
 leading their lives in wonderful ways. You can't
 just substitute one 
 field for another - just spiritual whilst ignoring
 the psychological, 
 and vice versa. We're here in bodies for a reason!
 Perhaps the age of 
 gurus is coming to an end - we have to be
 co-creators.
 
 As Jung said:  God wants to be born in the flame of
 man's 
 consciousness, leaping ever higher. And what if this
 has no roots in 
 the earth? If it is not a house of stone where the
 fire of Godcan 
 dwell, but a wretched straw hut that flares up and
 vanishes? Could God 
 then be born? One must be able to suffer God. That
 is the supreme task 
 for the carrier of ideas. He must be the advocate of
 the earth. God 
 will take care of himself. My inner principle is:
 Deus et homo. God 
 needs man in order to become conscious, just as he
 needs limitation in 
 time and space. Let us therefore be for him
 limitation in time and 
 space, an earthly tabernacle.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj

On May 22, 2005, at 1:57 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 Canada is a racist country on the verge of splitting up.  How sattvic
 is that?

Their murder rate is very low compared to the US.



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[FairfieldLife] Laura Bush Stirring Things Up just a Little More?,,,

2005-05-22 Thread Robert Gimbel
Laura Bush is extremely brave in her challenging centuries old 
Patriarchal Rule, and in the Shadow of the recent publicized 
degradation of the Holy Quran.

(We obviously could use some more advanced yogi ^  flyers in that 
area of the world...)
 
I Give her a lot of Credit, and Pray for her Safe return. 

Aum Namah Shivaiya
 
Robert Gimbel,  Seattle, WA.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread WLeed3



Re Canada  its thnaks! Many times canada  its people have said thanks for all the U. S.. has done for it. I well recall bringing the diplomats  other s home from Iran in the 80's I could go on on but that one sure was a big THANKS! was it not?-Original Message-From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:57:33 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 22, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Ingegerd wrote:
 
  In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in Israel
  and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?
 
 And some parts of Canada had over 1%. Canada IMO is a sattvic 
 country--certainly compared to the US. Inner spirituality in general 
is 
 very prevalent there, cities are spotless, etc.

Canada is a racist country on the verge of splitting up.  How sattvic 
is that?

But for the grace of the United States does Canada enjoy the standard 
of living that they enjoy.  Of course, they've never said "thank you" 
to the U.S. for it...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Help

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





In spite of what seems to the 
contrary I am only here to help. That's it. My tact or tactlessness is merely to 
shout, wake up! Judge me in your own eyes.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jeff Fischer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:33 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Help
  How do you guys view the topic of help? Do you think 
  MMY and the Movement are trying to help (even if - as I get some of you 
  feel - in a delusional or ineffectual manner)? Is "help" part of 
  your personal program or on your agenda? It seems like a lot of 
  posts are trying to clarify things where others are more derisive. 
  Yet, is everyone's intent still to help someone with their 
  POV?Thanks for any responses.Jeff 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread claudiouk
See what is being so carelessly thrown away:
http://www.maharishi-european-sidhaland.org.uk/
Don't know about the Dome (presumably TMO property) but yes people 
own their own homes. Can't see any Independents taking over here - 
would not make much sense anyway. But within that community 
new Independents may well sprout!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What will happen to meditators living in Skelmersdale? Do they own 
 their own homes? The Dome? The European Sidhaland has been as a 
 lighthouse for rest of Europe in the last years. Is it possible to 
 keep it this way outside the TMO?
 Ingegerd
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  No, no lawyer - my request was more as a symbolic protest. In any 
 case 
  meditators have carefully been kept in effective isolation from 
 each 
  other - there is no sense of community except for the European 
  Siddhaland - so no way to contact eachother to act as a group. 
Also 
 a 
  legal challenge might itself be expensive.. Better than that 
would 
 be 
  for OTHER meditators around the world to ACT NOW to keep assets 
 within 
  THEIR country, STOP giving donations - at least without first 
 pointing 
  out how the Brits have been treated unethically etc and GET 
 TOGETHER as 
  a community, if possible. Ingegerd mentioned help - probably 
  connecting to a forum like FFL is a start.. maybe in future one 
 could 
  help by highlighting the existence of INDEPENDENT teachers. Now 
is 
 the 
  time to make such informal networks more FORMAL.. at least in the 
 UK. 
  
  But just supposing David Lynch manages to convince someone like 
 Lord 
  Sainsbury to finance a 7,000 group for the UK (he WANTS to give 
 away 
  £1billion.. but presumably not to TMO) would MMY change his mind?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Have you consulted a Lawyer about this?
   Ingegerd

I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no 
reply..
The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect 
 because 
they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now 
 being 
taken out of the country; they were promised 
 continued checking 
support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus 
been 
punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's victory 
 (as 
I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that 
the 
organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not 
all 
  funds 
can leave the country so easily?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





He's British 
Knucklehead.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  off_world_beings 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:30 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in 
  Lebanon
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: 
   In a message dated 5/21/05 9:49:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:  Much longer than it took GW bush to create a 
  quagmire for the US  troops and an out of control lawless state 
  in Iraq. Quagmire 
  consciousness anonymously. 
  CowardTell me where you live I'll meet you in the 
  street . You're the coward. You and GW Bush and his 
  quagmire.The only reason I use off_world_beings is because I dont want 
  people in TMO visiting me or calling me. But I will meet you in the street 
  if you like and we will see who the coward 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
 
 
 But just supposing David Lynch manages to convince someone like Lord 
 Sainsbury to finance a 7,000 group for the UK (he WANTS to give away 
 £1billion.. but presumably not to TMO) would MMY change his mind?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Have you consulted a Lawyer about this?
  Ingegerd
   


If you ask me its time for Richard Bransen, owner of Virgin records, 
Virgin airlines, Virgin Railways and varous other businesses, the 
balloon adventurer, and recent space mobile sponsorto step up to 
the plate  ! ! !

I believe he and his wife have been quietly and regularly doing TM 
since the seventies.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote, Christ returned

2005-05-22 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fax from Benny Feldman to Bobby Roth
  
 12/24/94
 Jai Guru Dev
  
 We came across an interesting quote from the 1600¹s. We are going to
 popularize this vision showing that with the group of 7,000 flyers 
in Israel
 we are preparing the ground for the Messiah to come and proclaim his
 blessings for all mankind. With best wishes.
 Benny

The connection between Maharishi and the Messiah has been obvious 
from day one. Ingegerd even stated that Maharishi was quoted saying 
that he confirmed yes when asked if he was the Messiah. 

But let us not get confused about the terms here. A Messiah is a 
envoy of truth, not necessarily Jesus or the Christ.

For more information on the Christ; please see 
http://www.shareintl.org






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Laura Bush Stirring Things Up just a Little More?,,,

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





That's sure nice of you. The First 
Lady thinks the LaHaye's Armegeddon novels are fine literature.

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  Gimbel 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:34 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Laura Bush 
  Stirring Things Up just a Little More?,,,
  Laura Bush is extremely brave in her challenging centuries 
  old Patriarchal Rule, and in the Shadow of the recent publicized 
  degradation of the Holy Quran.(We obviously could use some more 
  advanced yogi ^  flyers in that area of the world...)I 
  Give her a lot of Credit, and Pray for her Safe return. Aum Namah 
  ShivaiyaRobert Gimbel, Seattle, 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
Many of them own their homes, and they may be worth a good sum, 
since they are an easy commute to Manchester and Liverpool. Many 
regular sized homes go for close to 400,000 at further commutes and 
not necessarily nicer areas.

The dome may not be owned by the TMO.??

I doubt the die-hards with families and homes there have any plans 
to stop what they have been doing for 20 years or more.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What will happen to meditators living in Skelmersdale? Do they own 
 their own homes? The Dome? The European Sidhaland has been as a 
 lighthouse for rest of Europe in the last years. Is it possible to 
 keep it this way outside the TMO?
 Ingegerd
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  No, no lawyer - my request was more as a symbolic protest. In 
any 
 case 
  meditators have carefully been kept in effective isolation from 
 each 
  other - there is no sense of community except for the European 
  Siddhaland - so no way to contact eachother to act as a group. 
Also 
 a 
  legal challenge might itself be expensive.. Better than that 
would 
 be 
  for OTHER meditators around the world to ACT NOW to keep assets 
 within 
  THEIR country, STOP giving donations - at least without first 
 pointing 
  out how the Brits have been treated unethically etc and GET 
 TOGETHER as 
  a community, if possible. Ingegerd mentioned help - probably 
  connecting to a forum like FFL is a start.. maybe in future one 
 could 
  help by highlighting the existence of INDEPENDENT teachers. Now 
is 
 the 
  time to make such informal networks more FORMAL.. at least in 
the 
 UK. 
  
  But just supposing David Lynch manages to convince someone like 
 Lord 
  Sainsbury to finance a 7,000 group for the UK (he WANTS to give 
 away 
  £1billion.. but presumably not to TMO) would MMY change his mind?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Have you consulted a Lawyer about this?
   Ingegerd

I've asked for the return of my last donation but got no 
reply..
The effect on MMY's followers is the most disturbing aspect 
 because 
they did materially contribute to the Movement's assets, now 
 being 
taken out of the country; they were promised 
 continued checking 
support on initiation, now being withdrawn; and have thus 
been 
punished unfairly for MMY's own misreading of Blair's 
victory 
 (as 
I've explained previously). What I don't understand is that 
the 
organization promotes itself as a charity - so maybe not 
all 
  funds 
can leave the country so easily?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/22/05 10:23:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I still  think the TM-Teachers need counseling to be free. Some 
place to 
 turn to.  Not everybody knows about FFL.
 
 Ingegerd
 
 
 
 
 Ingegerd , they will turn to another guru who will then tell  
them why 
 didn't you listen to what we were trying to tell you all along. 
No  government 
 paid counseling, sorry. Government doesn't need to take  
responsibility for our 
 religious or spiritual choices. Oh! a new safety net  the DNC 
can promise 
 us all! I can hear Barbara Boxer now. for just a few  dollars a 
month the 
 federal government could protect our spirituality and help  us 
when we make 
 uninformed choices regarding choosing a  path. What  reasonable 
person would not 
 want to pay a few pennies a day in taxes to protect  those that 
got duped!


I know a guy who has been given full social security in US because 
he says he cannot handle working. So he just meditates and reads the 
Vedic Literature all day, lives simple. Looks like your Bush is 
paying for at least one lone purush/pundit type.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 11:31:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only 
  reason I use off_world_beings is because I dont want people in TMO 
  visiting me or calling me. 

That makes you a coward!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





yeah,it does.btw, they never called 
me or contacted me.

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  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas 
  in Lebanon
  
  
  In a message dated 5/22/05 11:31:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  The 
only reason I use off_world_beings is because I dont want people in TMO 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Project for Invincibility to Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 1:16:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow! The 
  whole world? It just gets more and moreamazing!I am willing to 
  match Llundrub's donations to thisnoble 
cause.

I'll through in a couple ofcounterfeit 
Raams!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread scienceofabundance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Many of them own their homes, and they may be worth a good sum, 
 since they are an easy commute to Manchester and Liverpool. Many 
 regular sized homes go for close to 400,000 at further commutes and 
 not necessarily nicer areas.
 
 The dome may not be owned by the TMO.??
 
 I doubt the die-hards with families and homes there have any plans 
 to stop what they have been doing for 20 years or more.

For many years there has been a somewhat less than open division in 
the community in Skelmersdale, with a significant number of people 
who have always wanted the Sidhaland to be located elsewhere - 
preferably the  south of  England, but anywhere other than 
Skelmersdale, which for those of you do not know, was started in the 
1960's as project housing for low income residents  of Liverpool - 
i.e. level the slums of Liverpool and bring the residents to 
Skelmersdale.  There is a great north-south divide in England, and 
for many people in the south to consider even moving to Skelmersdale 
was just too much. 

It never worked to the degree the local government envisaged and the 
amount of vacant (and free) project housing available in the late 
1970's was the only reason it was chosen as the Sidhaland site. 
Current residents were also told last year by MMY that the whole 
setting was inappropriate, even before TMO was closed down in UK. It 
only has about 240 adult residents and about 90 children (and it is 
now in its 25th year), and it is generally accepted by residents 
there that there will be no more growth.

Houses are very cheap there with the most expensive ones being those 
built according to Sthapyaveda standards - and with the market for 
such houses going to zero overnight, it is easy to see the effect on 
the prices of such houses. For regular houses, the desire for 
people of Liverpool and Manchester to live in Skelmersdate is, quite 
bluntly, zero. It is still considered the projects of these two 
cities.  

PS Even with the current exchange rate favorable to the British 
pound, there are very, very few $400,000 (British Pounds 200,000) 
houses in Skelmersdale.  Skelmersdale is, and has been since it was 
first invented in the 1960's, a low-income, projects town with almost 
zero infrastructure. 








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[FairfieldLife] Invincibility to Lebanon, 7000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread claudiouk
Rather than launch a 3000 Peace Palaces initiative MMY should have 
settled for half a dozen ones in key regions. 
Lets face it, THIS area of the world needs it most:
Israel: see http://www.hararit.co.il/nindex.htm
Lebanon: http://maharishitm.org/mepp/project.htm
Both these rather old sites. Would be interesting to have more up to 
date reports from FFL members there..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 5/22/05 6:39 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   To help Lebanon rise above all its problems and become truly 
 invincible,
   Maharishi proposed to send 500 vedic pundits (peace-creating 
 experts) from
   the vedic families of India to Lebanon where they will be 
 performing
   powerful vedic technologies of consciousness ...
  
  Let¹s see. The pundits can¹t come to Fairfield because their 
parents 
 are
  worried about terrorism, so they¹re going to go to Lebanon?
 
 Ha ha ha.
 
 That's the best observation of the week!




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Invincibility to Lebanon, 7000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub





We should all go live in Israel so 
that all the sidhas of the world can be clown up in one fell swoop when Syria 
delivers the bomb. Though actuallly, according to Esdras the Eagle will be 
utterly burned up. I guess Maharishi is being nice to UK meditators by getting 
them out, whereas he is allowing the US meditators to be utterly burned 
up.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:55 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Invincibility to 
  Lebanon, 7000 in Israel quote
  Rather than launch a 3000 Peace Palaces initiative MMY 
  should have settled for half a dozen ones in key regions. Lets face 
  it, THIS area of the world needs it most:Israel: see http://www.hararit.co.il/nindex.htmLebanon: 
  http://maharishitm.org/mepp/project.htmBoth 
  these rather old sites. Would be interesting to have more up to date 
  reports from FFL members there..--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "shempmcgurk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   on 5/22/05 6:39 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
To help Lebanon rise above all its problems and become truly 
   invincible,   Maharishi proposed to send 500 vedic 
  pundits (peace-creating  experts) from   the vedic 
  families of India to Lebanon where they will be  performing 
powerful vedic technologies of consciousness ...  
Let¹s see. The pundits can¹t come to Fairfield because their 
  parents  are  worried about terrorism, so they¹re 
  going to go to Lebanon?  Ha ha ha.  That's the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 2:18 PM, claudiouk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 See what is being so carelessly thrown away:
 http://www.maharishi-european-sidhaland.org.uk/
 Don't know about the Dome (presumably TMO property) but yes people
 own their own homes. Can't see any Independents taking over here -
 would not make much sense anyway. But within that community
 new Independents may well sprout!

Not carelessly thrown away, but intentionally cashed in so the money can be
sent to India.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote, Christ returned

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj

On May 22, 2005, at 3:22 PM, lupidus108 wrote:

 The connection between Maharishi and the Messiah has been obvious
 from day one. Ingegerd even stated that Maharishi was quoted saying
 that he confirmed yes when asked if he was the Messiah.

 But let us not get confused about the terms here. A Messiah is a
 envoy of truth, not necessarily Jesus or the Christ.

Wouldn't you have to be circumcised?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote, Christ returned

2005-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/05 3:26:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But let 
  us not get confused about the terms here. A "Messiah" is a envoy of 
  truth, not necessarily Jesus or the Christ.Wouldn't you have to be 
  circumcised?

Yes , if you come from the line of 
Abraham.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/22/05 2:31:06 P.M. Central
 Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I know a  guy who has been given full social
 security in US because 
 he says he  cannot handle working. So he just
 meditates and reads the 
 Vedic Literature  all day, lives simple. Looks like
 your Bush is 
 paying for at least one  lone purush/pundit type.
 
 
 
 
 They call those SSI checks Crazy Checks. All you
 have to do  is convince 
 people in the Social Security Administration that
 you are a nut and  can't hold 
 a job and they give you some money every month.
 Druggies and other  bums do it 
 all the time. It's a shame. Some people deserve them
 due to real  mental 
 illness but all too many are just lazy bums that
 never grew up and  learned 
 responsibility, probably like you Purusha  friend.

It is very difficult to get an SSI check especially
for a psychological disorder. They will only approve
it if you have a schizophrenic disorder. Standard
procedure is to turn you down three times before
they'll even consider the application. Several times a
year I get people wanting me to do an SSI evaluation.
Unless they are schizophrenic I tell them to not waste
their time and money, it will not work.
-Dr. Sutphen





 



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[FairfieldLife] Coherence Alert System

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj
With all this talk of the TMO pulling out of countries, I think it's 
time to institute a Color-Coded Coherence Alert System (CCAS) for 
safety on the world scale, esp. until the dawn of Sat Yuga, later this 
summer.

Gold gilt: Sat Yuga

Yellow: Spontaneous Siddhis, spontaneous awakening, telepathic 
communication, governments pay for coherence thru taxation.

Orange: TM still present on all continents, peace dawns, 10% certified 
meditators and sidhas worldwide, some governments tax people for 
coherence.

Green: Scattered conflicts, mixed ignorance and growth of 
consciousness, TM still expensive

Blue: Strangulation of world coherence, people not meditating 
twice-a-day, using non-MAPI products, other religions than TM still 
predominate. regional wars. DOR grows. Widespread drought and 
desertification. Average lifespan 50.

Purple: Prana wanes globally, disease and incoherence prevail, DOR 
manifestions the norm. Few meditate, none one give money to TMO, wars 
take up most of globe. Travel systems destroyed, only local travel 
reasonable. Must use GMO crops to survive. Average life span 30.

Brown: Apana vayu sucks prana out of almost anyone, global war theme 
predominates, travel not advisable to even grocery store. Can't be in 
sun, all food grown undergound. Very isolated yogis left. Average life 
span 20.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote, Christ returned

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj

On May 22, 2005, at 4:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes , if you come from the line of Abraham.

Since when are Hindus put through Abrahamic genital mutilation? Doesn't 
sound Vedic to me.

I'm writing the Jedi council.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

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  Lots of clear transcending and realization on that
  day!
 
 Finally a way to transcend for you no doubt. hehe

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[FairfieldLife] 2 Esdras 11-13 was benny's new scam

2005-05-22 Thread Llundrub
Title: 7,000 in Israel quote





could just mean flying around in 
airplanes. we need a jewish scholar to real translate this. this is nice of 
benny that asshole to use the messiah myth just for some more bogus TM 
punditry.

Want a scary prophecy read 2 Esdras 
11-13.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:10 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] 7,000 in Israel 
  quote
  Fax from Benny Feldman to Bobby 
  Roth12/24/94Jai Guru DevWe came across an 
  interesting quote from the 1600’s. We are going to popularize this vision 
  showing that with the group of 7,000 flyers in Israel we are preparing the 
  ground for the Messiah to come and proclaim his blessings for all mankind. 
  With best wishes.BennyFrom the Book Hesed L’AvrahamBy 
  Rabbi Avraham Afulai (lived in the 17th century)About the Glory in Israel 
  on the Arrival of the Messiah“Know that we have a tradition of Kabalah 
  that on that day when the Messiah King arrives, together with the gathering of 
  the Diaspora he will find there in Israel 7,000 of the children of 
  Israel.“And on that day the dead[1] #_ftn1 in Israel will rise and 
  also on that day the walls of Jerusalem will go away, and he will build them 
  again from precious stones and pearls. And then the dead who are in Israel 
  will come back on their revival to a new spiritual creation. And also the 
  7,000 who are alive at that time, there, will also all be a new creation—a 
  body of spirituality like the body of the first man before he had sinned, and 
  like the bodies of Hanoch, Moses and Elisha, and they will all rove in the air 
  and fly like eagles and all of this will be in front of those gathered from 
  the Diaspora. And when this gathering will see their brothers become new 
  creations and fly in the air to live in the Garden of Eden, to learn the 
  scripture from the mouth of God, then they will gather together…“And the 
  Messiah King will reply [to the gathering of the Diaspora]… ‘God will give you 
  immeasurable wealth as all silver and gold and precious stones and pearls that 
  are drowned in any of the seas. That sea is ordered to bring it all to the sea 
  of Jaffa…. Everything will come to the Sea of Jaffa and it will eject it and 
  the Messiah King will distribute a share to each Tzadik[2] #_ftn2 as 
  he deserves… And also all the treasures under the Earth. The land will be made 
  of holes so that all treasures and remedies will roll there and it will bring 
  them to Israel to distribute them to the gathering of the Diaspora, to each 
  one as he deserves, and they will be endowed with much wealth. But those who 
  did not feel for their wealth and bodies and took care…of their spirits and 
  souls, God will give them many favors to make them a new creation and lead 
  them to [a Heaven inhabited by mortals]’.”
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread lupidus108
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  USA.
   Lots of clear transcending and realization on that
   day!
  
  Finally a way to transcend for you no doubt. hehe
 
 I stopped transcending decades ago

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Sutphen

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Think of the freedom when MMY pulls out of the
   USA.
Lots of clear transcending and realization on
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   Finally a way to transcend for you no doubt.
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  I stopped transcending decades ago
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
You are one dumbass. It makes me a recluse . I don't want silly
loser TM'rs visiting me, except the very few I hold as dear friends.

I don't know you from Adam.
You are totally anonymous to me , as are 99 % of the people on this
board. So stop calling me a coward, just because you know I can't do
anything about your cowardly remark. Coward.


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 yeah,it does.btw, they never called me or contacted me.
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[FairfieldLife] Delhi Bomb

2005-05-22 Thread sramanist
Bombs explode in west Delhi cinemas

Ireland on-line

22/05/2005 - 17:30:48 

Bombs exploded inside two cinemas in the Indian capital today, 
injuring at least a dozen people, a government minister said.

Both cinemas are located in the Karol Bagh neighbourhood of west 
Delhi and the two explosions occurred within 15 minutes, said 
Sriprakash Jaiswal. The bombs were apparently planted near the 
screen, the junior home minister said.

According to preliminary reports, at least a dozen people were 
injured in the blasts, he said. Fire fighters have reached the scene 
and the injured were being taken to nearby hospitals, the minister 
said.

No other details were available.








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[FairfieldLife] I don't know you from Adam

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
To the dumbasses that can't handle that I don't want silly
loser TM'rs visiting me, except the very few I hold as dear friends. 
So I use a off_world_beings name.

I don't any of know you from Adam.
You are totally anonymous to me , as are 99 % of the people on this
board. So stop calling me a coward, just because you know I can't do
anything about your cowardly remark. Coward.

I'm leaving this board if people can't handle the fact that we are all 
almost completely annonymous here. I don't know any of you. Maybe a 
one person I vaguely remember.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Purushas in Lebanon

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
I mean TMO and ex-TMO. 
They are all the same. 
I only have a very few good friends from that era but I don't want 
the unemployed ex-tmo and tmo coming to my house, just because I 
vaguely knew them.


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 The moment you are outside the TMO - they don't.
 Ingegerd
 
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  in TMO  visiting me or calling me. 
  
  
  That makes you a coward!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Latest - Britain for sale

2005-05-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/22/05 2:31:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 I know a  guy who has been given full social security in US 
because 
 he says he  cannot handle working. So he just meditates and reads 
the 
 Vedic Literature  all day, lives simple. Looks like your Bush is 
 paying for at least one  lone purush/pundit type.
 
 
 
 
 They call those SSI checks Crazy Checks. All you have to do  is 
convince 
 people in the Social Security Administration that you are a nut 
and  can't hold 
 a job and they give you some money every month. Druggies and 
other  bums do it 
 all the time. It's a shame. Some people deserve them due to real  
mental 
 illness but all too many are just lazy bums that never grew up 
and  learned 
 responsibility, probably like you Purusha  friend.

Na, he's probably better off meditating on your taxes and reading 
the Vedic literature, than having to work with people like you. He 
costs very little money compared to a soldier in the QUAGMIRE 
useless war in Iraq, or an inmate who's in for smoking a plant that 
grows naturally.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 22, 2005, at 1:57 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  Canada is a racist country on the verge of splitting up.  How 
sattvic
  is that?
 
 Their murder rate is very low compared to the US.

They don't have as many bad guys to kill...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote

2005-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Re Canada  its thnaks !  Many times canada  its people have 
said thanks for all the U. S..  has done for it. I well recall 
bringing the  diplomats  other s home from Iran in the 80's I could 
go on  on but that one sure was a  big THANKS! was it not?


No.

  
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 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7,000 in Israel quote
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On May 22, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Ingegerd wrote:
  
   In the 70ths the Movement told us that 1 % had learned TM in 
Israel
   and Canada. Whar happened to the 1% effect?
  
  And some parts of Canada had over 1%. Canada IMO is a sattvic 
  country--certainly compared to the US. Inner spirituality in 
general 
 is 
  very prevalent there, cities are spotless, etc.
 
 Canada is a racist country on the verge of splitting up.  How 
sattvic 
 is that?
 
 But for the grace of the United States does Canada enjoy the 
standard 
 of living that they enjoy.  Of course, they've never said thank 
you 
 to the U.S. for it...
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Consciousness migrants coming your way

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
From a friend in the UK:

Hi,

I haven't been keeping up with ffl - just having a
peep now and then.

It seems quite a lot of people in Skelmersdale are
planning to move to Fairfield - people and at least
one business. Mind you - the tone of the press
conference last week I thought the US was going to be
the next for the big switch-off - so it could be out
of the frying pan .

Your recerts will be eagerly awaiting their first
pay-check. Maybe they'll get it when the pundits come.

Mood in the UK seems surprisingly upbeat among the
sidhas.  I suppose adversity brings people together -
the 'Dunkirk Spirit'.  I don't think there is much
left here to sell off.  All the academies are gone.  I
don't think any TM centre is in the name of the TMO -
they are individuals' houses or possibly one or two
owned by local organisations.

Anyway hope you enjoyed seeing our George Galloway
having a go at the Senate committee.

Regards,





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Coherence Alert System

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 3:43 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Brown: Apana vayu sucks prana out of almost anyone, global war theme
 predominates, travel not advisable to even grocery store. Can't be in
 sun, all food grown undergound. Very isolated yogis left. Average life
 span 20.

You'd have to have your first child at the age of about 12 and he'd only be
8 when you died. There would have to be large scale orphanage systems.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Coherence Alert System

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj
Probably would be extinction phase.

On May 22, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 You'd have to have your first child at the age of about 12 and he'd 
 only be
 8 when you died. There would have to be large scale orphanage systems.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 Esdras 11-13 was benny's new scam

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 Esdras 11-13 was benny's new scam





on 5/22/05 3:46 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Want a scary prophecy read 2 Esdras 11-13.

>From http://www.tldm.org/bible/Old%20Testament/2esdras.htm

2 Esdras Chapter 11

* Who were the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the other cities.

11:1. And the princes of the people dwelt at Jerusalem: but the rest of the people cast lots, to take one part in ten to dwell in Jerusalem the holy city, and nine parts in the other cities.

11:2. And the people blessed all the men that willingly offered themselves to dwell in Jerusalem.

11:3. These therefore are the chief men of the province, who dwelt in Jerusalem, and in the cities of Juda. And every one dwelt in his possession, in their cities: Israel, the priests, the Levites, the Nathinites, and the children of the servants of Solomon.

11:4. And in Jerusalem there dwelt some of the children of Juda, and some of the children of Benjamin: of the children of Juda, Athaias the son of Aziam, the son of Zacharias, the son of Amarias, the son of Saphatias, the son of Malaleel: of the sons of Phares,

11:5. Maasia the son of Baruch, the son of Cholhoza, the son of Hazia, the son of Adaia, the son of Joiarib, the son of Zacharias, the son of the Silonite:

11:6. All these the sons of Phares, who dwelt in Jerusalem, were four hundred sixty-eight valiant men.

11:7. And these are the children of Benjamin: Sellum the son of Mosollam, the son of Joed, the son of Phadaia, the son of Colaia, the son of Masia, the son of Etheel, the son of Isaia.

11:8. And after him Gebbai, Sellai, nine hundred twenty-eight.

11:9. And Joel the son of Zechri their ruler, and Judas the son of Senua was second over the city.

11:10. And of the priests Idaia the son of Joarib, Jachin,

11:11. Saraia the son of Helcias, the son of Mosollam, the son of Sadoc, the son of Meraioth, the son of Achitob the prince of the house of God,

11:12. And their brethren that do the works of the temple: eight hundred twenty-two. And Adaia the son of Jeroham, the son of Phelelia, the son of Amsi, the son of Zacharias, the son of Pheshur, the son of Melchias,

11:13. And his brethren the chiefs of the fathers: two hundred forty-two. And Amassai the son of Azreel, the son of Ahazi, the son of Mosollamoth, the son of Emmer,

11:14. And their brethren who were very mighty, a hundred twenty-eight: and their ruler Zabdiel son of the mighty.

11:15. And of the Levites Semeia the son of Hasub, the son of Azaricam, the son of Hasabia, the son of Boni,

11:16. And Sabathai and Jozabed, who were over all the outward business of the house of God, of the princes of the Levites,

11:17. And Mathania the son of Micha, the son of Zebedei, the son of Asaph, was the principal man to praise, and to give glory in prayer, and Becbecia, the second, one of his brethren, and Abda the son of Samua, the son of Galal, the son of Idithun.

11:18. All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred eighty-four.

11:19. And the porters, Accub, Telmon, and their brethren, who kept the doors: a hundred seventy-two.

11:20. And the rest of Israel, the priests and the Levites were in all the cities of Juda, every man in his possession.

11:21. And the Nathinites, that dwelt in Ophel, and Siaha, and Gaspha of the Nathinites.

11:22. And the overseer of the Levites in Jerusalem, was Azzi the son of Bani, the son of Hasabia, the son of Mathania, the son of Micha. Of the sons of Asaph, were the singing men in the ministry of the house of God.

11:23. For the kings commandment was concerning them, and an order among the singing men day by day.

11:24. And Phathahia the son of Mesezebel of the children of Zara the son of Juda was at the hand of the king, in all matters concerning the people,

11:25. And in the houses through all their countries. Of the children of Juda some dwelt at Cariath-Arbe, and in the villages thereof: and at Dibon, and in the villages thereof: and at Cabseel, and in the villages thereof.

11:26. And at Jesue, and at Molada, and at Bethphaleth,

11:27. And at Hasersuel, and at Bersabee, and in the villages thereof,

11:28. And at Siceleg, and at Mochona, and in the villages thereof,

11:29. And at Remmon, and at Saraa, and at Jerimuth,

11:30. Zanoa, Odollam, and in their villages, at Lachis and its dependencies, and at Azeca and the villages thereof. And they dwelt from Bersabee unto the valley of Ennom.

11:31. And the children of Benjamin, from Geba, at Mechmas, and at Hai, and at Bethel, and in the villages thereof,

11:32. At Anathoth, Nob, Anania,

11:33. Asor, Rama, Gethaim,

11:34. Hadid, Seboim, and Neballat, Lod,

11:35. And Ono the valley of craftsmen.

11:36. And of the Levites were portions of Juda and Benjamin.

2 Esdras Chapter 12

* The priests, and Levites that came up with Zorobabel. The succession of high priests: the solemnity of the dedication of the wall.

12:1. Now these are the priests and the Levites, that went up with Zorobabel 

[FairfieldLife] US India

2005-05-22 Thread devnath9
http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15353310%
255E12250,00.html

India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will visit Washington in July, with Bush 
reportedly 
saying this will be treated as a grand event, and at the year's end Bush will 
visit India

The Bush administration, far more cohesive with Condoleezza Rice as Secretary 
of State, 
has launched a diplomatic offensive with India that is stunning in its rhetoric 
and serious 
in its content. India's relations with the US are now the best they have ever 
been, says 
Rajiv Sikri, the senior official on East Asia at India's external affairs 
ministry.

Bush and Rice earlier this year developed the outline for a decisively broader 
strategic 
relationship between the US and India. When Rice went to New Delhi she 
presented this 
outline to Singh, its purpose being to help India become a major world power 
in the 21st 
century, the abiding dream of the Indian elite.

The spokesman continued: We [the US] understand fully the implications, 
including 
military implications, of that statement.

It is rare in the past 100 years that a US president has sent a signal of this 
dimension. It 
means the US will help India realise the global aspiration that its size, 
geography and its 
post-1991 economic reform agenda has made into a national obsession.

Events are moving fast. The US is offering India a top-of-the-line version of 
the F-16, hi-
tech defence and space co-operation in terms of satellites and launch vehicles, 
Patriot and 
Arrow missiles, and access to civilian nuclear technology. (India's aim is to 
generate 25 per 
cent to 30 per cent of its huge energy needs from nuclear.)

The strategic dialogue will include global issues, the kinds of issues you 
would discuss 
with a world power, the State Department spokesman said. The US was prepared 
to 
discuss even more fundamental issues of defence transformation with India, 
including 
transformative systems in areas such as command and control, early warning and 
missile 
defence.

After Rice's visit, US ambassador to India David Mulford said the US and India 
are poised 
for a partnership that will be crucial in shaping the international order in 
the 21st century.




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