[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *don't* care. But some do. And they feel that having leaders of the movement that they were part of for so long who consistently violate their *own* rules might bring the validity of that movement into question. Then they expect more of the TMO leadership then they expect of most other people. I give up. I'm trying to get you to see that this is rather an emotional issue for a lot of people here, in ways that it is NOT an emotional issue for you because you haven't put your money where your mouth is in the way that they have. A lot of these people put their asses on the line for Maharishi and for TM. They spent decades of their lives and tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) of their own money teaching TM and trying their best to present its benefits to as many people as possible. They *should* expect more from the TMO leadership. Why? The TMO isn't a church, despite what many want to believe. They should expect *at least* the same dedication to the teachings that they displayed in their lives. I would say that John Hagelin, who gave up a promising career as a physicist to play I wanna be President games, was showing a lot more dedication than many who complain about his apparently consenting relationships with adult women. They *should* expect that people who stand up in front of the world and claim that practicing TM will result in ideal behavior (or, even more tin-foil-hattish, claim that a bunch of TMers who are bouncing on their butts somewhere will do it even if you don't practice TM) should demonstrate *some* semblance of ideal behavior in their lives. Actually, I don't think that that is the claim, but if you do, that's an interesting bit of projection on YOUR part given you experience with various gurus. They should expect *exemplary* behavior. Why? We all WANT exemplary behavior, but to expect it? Perhaps you don't feel these things to be a betrayal of any kind. Many people here do. And I wnated to know why. A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, and you reacted to that by trying to insinuate that I was drunk and/or a sociopath. Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. You actually *felt* something about that issue, and you felt threatened enough to lose your cool about it and drop into attack mode when your buttons were pushed. You obviously felt at the time that anyone who couldn't see things your way was drunk or a sociopath or deluded or something. Still do. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. For someone from a Western society to argue otherwise suggests a lot of things. And then you have the nerve to ask FFL posters WHY they are a bit upset at the hypocritical, lying behavior of the people who now represent the movement that the posters made sacrifices for for decades, the movement they gave their hearts and minds and lives to? Grow up. So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? I gave up. Argue with yourself. That's what you're doing anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch on public radio
I just heard Director David Lynch is going to talk about his quest to teach Transcendental Meditation in the schools today on Here and Now, a program produced by WBUR in Boston. I imagine it'll be at the end of the hour-long program. In Iowa, Here and Now broadcasts over KUNI at 90.9FM from 11 a.m. to noon. It's on at noon in the Boston area. Here's the WBUR website: http://www.wbur.org/ The Here and Now website: http://www.here-now.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] We are either Saints or Devils
Today salom.com reviews a new book titled: Judge Sewall's Apology: The Salem Witch Trials and the Forming of an American Conscience. In trying to explain the irrational witch trials, the author states: The prosecutors were engaged in the indefatigable pursuit of the either/or. They were incapable of using what we would regard as common sense, because they couldn't allow for inner conflict and contradiction. In short, they could not accept complex explanations, acknowledge confusions, live with ambiguity. They were inhabiting a myth in which good and evil were always separately embodied, like characters in an allegory. In a sermon, Samuel Parris, the minister in whose house the whole thing started, stated, We are either saints or Devils: the Scripture gives us no medium. Interesting given recent discussions on the letters to the editor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
In a message dated 9/25/05 7:31:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: he does take email questions, for every press conference! Maharishi Mahesh Yogi E-mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Address: MVU Station 24 Vlodrop 6063 NP The Netherlands now, do you dare send it???What would be the down side if I did? I couldha, as if it would make a difference, wouldn't get past Hagelin.snip Billy G is right , MMY would never see the e-mail, too negative. LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] global warming = fewer hurricanes
In a message dated 9/25/05 7:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already got six very intense hurricanes," Stephanopoulos argued, as if to suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001. Well... of course it did! That's when W took office and refused to sign the Kyoto treaty! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the hugging and the fanfare... The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a quarter to school to help convert the pagan babies. Even the poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the place to go if you're in need. No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? The talks by TM leadership unequivically state that the practice of MMY's programs by an individual create ideal behavior and total support of the laws of nature leading to the inability to make a mistake and unlimited progress and success and on the broader level invincibility to the nation, heaven on earth, and the elimination of all problems on earth and so on, and I do mean there's even more. All of this happens in a very short period of time, or within a few weeks if only gov't would implement the programs. This is not only promised, it is said to scientific fact. Given the above statements, you might look to the effect of these programs on the lives of the people who have been practicing them the longest and with the most dedication to verify the claims. You would also look to the organization itself to gauge the broader societal promises. If there's a large discrepency, then that's called hypocrisy. It's amazing that TBs don't expect MMY's programs to actually work for themselves or their organization, but somehow they are still the key to saving the world if only more money were raised. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
On 9/26/05 9:40 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the hugging and the fanfare... The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a quarter to school to help convert the pagan babies. Even the poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the place to go if you're in need. No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) My grandfather, despite being a protestant, was the founder of a Catholic hospital and for a period of my career I was involved with a large Catholic hospital here in New England. The nuns would begin the day by gathering in the hospital chapel and praying for the safety and healing of all those in the hospital, city and region. I'd seen them on numerous occasions head out on the coldest nights of the year and bring street people into the hospital for treatment--actually what they were saving them from was freezing to death or certain frostbite. They would often give free medical care, including surgery and other live-saving interventions. There was never such a thing as someone too poor to receive treatment and often we received the poorest of the poor. These nuns were like tireless angels. Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *don't* care. But some do. And they feel that having leaders of the movement that they were part of for so long who consistently violate their *own* rules might bring the validity of that movement into question. Then they expect more of the TMO leadership then they expect of most other people. I give up. I'm trying to get you to see that this is rather an emotional issue for a lot of people here, in ways that it is NOT an emotional issue for you because you haven't put your money where your mouth is in the way that they have. A lot of these people put their asses on the line for Maharishi and for TM. They spent decades of their lives and tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) of their own money teaching TM and trying their best to present its benefits to as many people as possible. They *should* expect more from the TMO leadership. Why? The TMO isn't a church, despite what many want to believe. They should expect *at least* the same dedication to the teachings that they displayed in their lives. I would say that John Hagelin, who gave up a promising career as a physicist to play I wanna be President games, was showing a lot more dedication than many who complain about his apparently consenting relationships with adult women. They *should* expect that people who stand up in front of the world and claim that practicing TM will result in ideal behavior (or, even more tin-foil-hattish, claim that a bunch of TMers who are bouncing on their butts somewhere will do it even if you don't practice TM) should demonstrate *some* semblance of ideal behavior in their lives. Actually, I don't think that that is the claim, but if you do, that's an interesting bit of projection on YOUR part given you experience with various gurus. They should expect *exemplary* behavior. Why? We all WANT exemplary behavior, but to expect it? Perhaps you don't feel these things to be a betrayal of any kind. Many people here do. And I wnated to know why. A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, and you reacted to that by trying to insinuate that I was drunk and/or a sociopath. Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. You actually *felt* something about that issue, and you felt threatened enough to lose your cool about it and drop into attack mode when your buttons were pushed. You obviously felt at the time that anyone who couldn't see things your way was drunk or a sociopath or deluded or something. Still do. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. For someone from a Western society to argue otherwise suggests a lot of things. And then you have the nerve to ask FFL posters WHY they are a bit upset at the hypocritical, lying behavior of the people who now represent the movement that the posters made sacrifices for for decades, the movement they gave their hearts and minds and lives to? Grow up. So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. So why do YOU care? Were you one of the women? One of the men who was cuckolded? Women aren't stupid. They're generally well aware of what kind of guy they are sleeping with by the time they are 18-20 or so. Why is it your concern? It's really not complicated. It's about integrity. Does that lack of integrity spill into what they are teaching? As a leader, do they walk the talk? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wacko Democrat Streisand declares Global Warming emergency
Stop ruining a perfectly good hypothesis with empirical fact! --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN SEPT 25, 2005 16:44:05 ET X STREISAND DECLARES 'GLOBAL WARMING EMERGENCY' THE SUPERSTAR SONGSTRESS SERENADED SAWYER WITH STORM SEASON ASSERTIONS. BUT TO SOME SHE'LL SOUND MORE LIKE A WINDSOCK SINGING LIBERALISM'S GOLDEN OLDIES! NEW YORK -- This summer's back to back superstorms are proof positive we have entered a new period of global warming emergency, artist/citizen Barbra Streisand warns. Streisand is back on the scene to promote her reunion disc with Barry Gibb. As hellstorm Rita churned in the Gulf, Streisand sat down for a promotional interview with ABCNEWS's Diane Sawyer. We are in a global warming emergency state, and these storms are going to become more frequent, more intense, Streisand urgently declares. But Sawyer did not remind Streisand that a Category 5 hurricane struck the Bahamas with 160 mph winds -- when the singer was five years old, in 1947! And when Streisand was 8 years old, a Cat 5 hurricane -- named Dog -- packing 185 mph churned-away in the Atlantic. When she was 9, a Cat 5 storm named Easy ripped the seas with 160 mph sustained winds. Streisand was 13 years old when Janet hit Mexico with 150 mph winds. Streisand was celebrating her sweet sixteen as Cleo formed with 140 mph. At 18, Streisand read news about Donna AND Ethel -- both storms carried 140 mph winds and formed 9 days apart in 1960! One year later, when Streisand was 19, it happened again: Two Category 5 storms scared the world: Carla and Hattie! Carla maxed out at 175 mph winds the year Streisand made her television debut on The Jack Paar Show. And who could forget Hurricane Camille -- which smashed into the United States with 190 mph, just as Funny Girl garners eight Academy Award nominations, including one for Best Picture and one for Barbra as Best Actress. Up next on the weather warning watch, Streisand says to ABC: There could be more droughts, dust bowls. You know, it's amazing to hear these facts. Developing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
on 9/25/05 11:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/25/05 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Amma's org have financial statements? Probably does. I don't know anything about them. ...then I don't think it appropriate for you to have said: ...on the whole, Amma's group has a very good track record in terms of administering and using funds ethically and efficiently. In other words, accomplishing a lot with funds raised. She is becoming very well known and respected for this in India. Familiarize yourself with her finances, then come back to us and make that claim... It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hogs
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip An old friend of mine here in Fairfield ended up in the local mental hospital recently. She wouldn't talk to her doctors unless they were facing East. Who had to be facing east? Her, the doctor, or both of them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 3:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty hypocrtical to me, yes, but why can't you just laugh it off as one of life's little ironies, and move on? If everyone does that, and leaders aren't held accountable for their actions, then the corruption just keeps getting worse. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, Sept. 25, 2005 1:03 p.m. EDT Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms www.newsmax.com Environmentalists who claim global warming has caused an increase in U.S. hurricane activity obviously haven't checked with the National Hurricane Center, which has kept statistics on major storms over the last 150 years. That's probably because those statistics yield one inescapable conclusion: If global warming has had any impact at all on hurricane activity, it's lessened - not increased - the frequency of major hurricanes. From 1901 till 1950 - when the U.S. economy was a fraction of its current size and fossil fuel consumption was next to nil - there were 34 hurricanes rated at Catagory 3, 4 or 5 in size on the Saffir Simpson scale. In the latter half of the twentieth century - when U.S. manufacturing exploded, automobile use skyrocketed and rampant consumerism was the order of the day, hurricane activity actually decreased by nearly 20 percent, declining to 28 Catagory 3-5 hurricanes from 1951 to 2000. That's almost as low as the last five decades of the 19th century - when the overwhelming majority of Americans lived on farms, manual power was generated by watermills and cars had yet to be invented. From 1851 to 1900 there were 27 major hurricanes in the U.S. The stunning numbers didn't faze ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos, who attempted to counter panelist George Will when Will raised the Hurricane Center's findings during Sunday's broadcast. We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already got six very intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if to suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001. We had a US hurricane expert on UK telly on Saturday proposing this argument. He was asked if hurricanes gained strength according to the sea temperature under them. He said Yes. He was asked if global warming has increased that sea temperature. He said Yes. He was then asked if this did not prove that global warming was responsible for Rita gaining strength in the way that it did. He fell silent. Uns. ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hogs
on 9/26/05 10:14 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip An old friend of mine here in Fairfield ended up in the local mental hospital recently. She wouldn't talk to her doctors unless they were facing East. Who had to be facing east? Her, the doctor, or both of them? Good question. I think just her doctor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. Ain't life interesting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch on public radio
Today? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard Director David Lynch is going to talk about his quest to teach Transcendental Meditation in the schools today on Here and Now, a program produced by WBUR in Boston. I imagine it'll be at the end of the hour-long program. In Iowa, Here and Now broadcasts over KUNI at 90.9FM from 11 a.m. to noon. It's on at noon in the Boston area. Here's the WBUR website: http://www.wbur.org/ The Here and Now website: http://www.here-now.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ...just change the names; the dance remains the same...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/25/05 11:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/25/05 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Amma's org have financial statements? Probably does. I don't know anything about them. ...then I don't think it appropriate for you to have said: ...on the whole, Amma's group has a very good track record in terms of administering and using funds ethically and efficiently. In other words, accomplishing a lot with funds raised. She is becoming very well known and respected for this in India. Familiarize yourself with her finances, then come back to us and make that claim... It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. It's not necessary for me to go over Maharishi's books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what Yogananda's organisation has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Maharishi operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including he, is living like a king. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. Lucky bastard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/25/05 7:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already got six very intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if to suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001. Well... of course it did! That's when W took office and refused to sign the Kyoto treaty! ...obvious cause and effect relationship... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the hugging and the fanfare... The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a quarter to school to help convert the pagan babies. Even the poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the place to go if you're in need. No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) Really? The flogging sounds like a lot more fun. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that humans are responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the atmosphere is? And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. Obviously, women should lose the vote. They are not full human beings with free choice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 9:40 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the hugging and the fanfare... The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a quarter to school to help convert the pagan babies. Even the poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the place to go if you're in need. No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) My grandfather, despite being a protestant, was the founder of a Catholic hospital and for a period of my career I was involved with a large Catholic hospital here in New England. The nuns would begin the day by gathering in the hospital chapel and praying for the safety and healing of all those in the hospital, city and region. I'd seen them on numerous occasions head out on the coldest nights of the year and bring street people into the hospital for treatment--actually what they were saving them from was freezing to death or certain frostbite. They would often give free medical care, including surgery and other live-saving interventions. There was never such a thing as someone too poor to receive treatment and often we received the poorest of the poor. These nuns were like tireless angels. Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What defines a cult?
Does the TMO fall under the parameters of the following definition of a cult? From: http://www.spiritwatch.org/cultdef.htm 7 ELEMENTS OF A CULTIC GROUP 1) A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority 2) A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as the truth 3) A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging 4) A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group 5) A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members 6) A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics 7) A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] ...just change the names; the dance remains the same...
on 9/26/05 10:42 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. It's not necessary for me to go over Maharishi's books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what Yogananda's organisation has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Maharishi operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including he, is living like a king. Just words dude. Please itemize for us what has been accomplished with the hundreds of millions of dollars. Have you really seen close up how Maharishi operates? Vast amounts of money are squandered on wacky schemes that never come to fruition. Tony Nader isn't living like a king? He is one! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] what is TM?
i was just reading some of the posts and rather than search for answers on the forum decided to post a question. oh and to say that i am a free thinker that looks for the benifit of any particular type of organized group of philosiphers and or religions. i take the good and leave the rest. i have found a really good way of attaining a certain degree of ability to attain enlightenment. i do not say that it is the path to enlightenment but it helps a great deal in the ability of the individual to reach for that goal. it is called dianetics r3x. and there is only one person that i know of that performes the auditing. he does it by phone and is very competent. anyway for me it is like night and day compared to what i used to be like i go for days without thinking in words and my perception of my universe has multiplied. i have gotten to a point where i can percieve what other people are imagining and see how (literally) others affect my perception of reality. anyway i have only gone through the first 2 dynamics. there are 8 dynamics in all. the first two are your sense of self and your sense of perpetuating your immortality by procreation. anyway it is easy for me to make a decision and stick with it. unless i change my mind. then that is ok too. john b. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hogs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip An old friend of mine here in Fairfield ended up in the local mental hospital recently. She wouldn't talk to her doctors unless they were facing East. Who had to be facing east? Her, the doctor, or both of them? *BREAKING* Vlodrop, September 26, 2005: HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI and HIS MAJESTY KING TONY NADER RAAM on behalf of the Global Country of World Peace have declared a bold new initiative to hasten the onset of the full sunshine of Sat Yuga for every individual and the perfect enjoyment of invincibility for every nation. It is our very great joy to announce that we have now facilitated and perfected the glorious aim of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda in bringing fulfillment to every individual, every family, every province and every nation with the simple expedient of eliminating the direction from which all negativity arises. From this day forward, we shall only acknowledge the cardinal directions of East, West and North... :-) Sounds like the old communist regimes of Albania and China in which the Red Light on traffic lights meant go and the Green Light becamse Stop. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that humans are responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the atmosphere is? And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect? Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating global warming. But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it is. There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that conclusion: 1) Is global warming occuring? 2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil fuels? 3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global warming a good or bad thing? 4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits of reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What defines a cult?
Ways of Distinguishing Healthy and Unhealthy Cults –© Copyright 1997 and 2002 by Timothy Conway, Ph.D. Given the suspicion in many quarters about new or exotic religious movements, we need to discuss the nature of cults. The history of religion has seen the rise of hundreds of thousands of religious cults, both benign and destructive. A useful and non-pejorative definition of “cult”—after all, the word originally comes from the Latin cultus, or “worship”—is any group of persons devoted to a charismatic leader(s) who changes their outlook and behavior by transmitting his/her values and views. The word “cult” has quite negative connotations in our society, especially among conservative Christians. For this reason, some scholars of religion want to drop the term from our vocabulary and replace it with sect or New Religious Movement/NRM. Yet the majority of religious cults are quite benign. Indeed, some can be profoundly transformative in an entirely positive way, promoting deep God-realization. All the traditional major religions either started as cults or involved cultic circles at diverse times and places in their history. Early Christianity was a cult, evidently a benign one—that is, until it became aligned with the Roman State early in the 4th century, after which it grew oppressive and destructive in some important respects. Over subsequent centuries Christianity would include both positive and negative cult tendencies. The Crusades and Inquisition, for example, manifested insidious and hugely destructive cult behavior, whereas the cults around thousands of saintly persons were, for the most part, extraordinarily beautiful affairs. Many present-day Christian denominations and sects display unwholesome cultic elements, as do certain circles within other major religions. Unhealthy cult behavior can, for that matter, be found within political parties, business corporations, professional societies (e.g., medicine, psychiatry, academia), and other social groups. Hitler’s Third Reich entailed nightmarish cult behavior on political, social and quasi-religious levels. By contrast, some religious cults, while appearing strange, eccentric or evil to our general populace, may actually be exceedingly beneficial and uplifting for the cult members and surrounding society. Scores of examples abound over the last few hundred years, from the Society of Friends (Quakers) and Methodism to Japan’s Seicho No Ie and India’s huge movements devoted to God through adepts like Ramakrishna, Ammachi, et al. Yet numerous religious cults have achieved terrible notoriety in recent decades. Consider the People’s Temple (Jim Jones’ mass murder/suicide of 913 followers in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978), Scientology (featuring the greed, mania, lust and sinister strategems of cruel swindler L. Ron Hubbard), the Unification Church (led by paranoid right-wing “Christ” Rev. Sun Myung Moon), the Branch Davidians (80 of whom died with their self-appointed messiah, serial child molester David Koresh, in battle with federal agents in Waco, Texas, 1993), Luc Jouret’s Order of the Solar Temple (over 50 members killed by him in Switzerland, Canada and France in 1994 and 1995), the Children of God (the “Family” of sex-crazed, depraved David Brandt Berg), the Temple of Love (led by murderous, sex-mongering “Brother Love” Hulon Mitchell “Yahweh Ben Yahweh” in Miami), Aum Shinri Kyo (led by sex-and-blood obsessed Shoko Asahara, instigator of the 1995 sarin nerve-gas attacks on innocent people in Tokyo’s subway system, killing 18 and poisoning over 5,500), Heaven’s Gate (38 UFO-obsessed members dead from suicide during Easter week, 1997, following demented leader Marshall “Do” Applewhite), Uganda’s Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God (over 900 members killed by Joseph Kibwetere and cronies in March, 2000), and the violent al-Qaeda terrorist network with its militant brand of Wahhabi Islam (a fringe form of the religion, centered in Saudi Arabia, that has killed countless progressive Muslims and non-Muslims over the last 250 years). Because of the uproar over such groups, and the widespread alarm over the thousands of “strange cults” now pervading our society, and the general suspicion toward any form of charismatic leadership (except, of course, when it occurs within one’s own church, political party or intellectual circle!), it will be worthwhile here to explore the characteristics of unhealthy, destructive cults in contrast to healthy, benevolent spiritual groups. I sincerely hope that, as more people come to appreciate the qualities of authentic spirituality, destructive cults will no longer be able to take root and encroach upon and degrade so many lives. Thus, widespread spiritual education can usher in the real “truth that shall set us free.” Dr. Arthur Deikman, a spiritually minded psychiatrist and cult-expert in northern California, has identified... four basic behaviors found in extreme form in
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. You're John the Baptist to his Jesus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. The C word isn't consulting but cult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These nuns were like tireless angels. Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... Not to imply I take the above comment seriously, but if someone wanted to support good works being done by an order of nuns, of which there are many, they should give money directly to that order. Each order is financially independent, and like the TMO, money flows towards the top, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ...just change the names; the dance remains the same...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:42 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. It's not necessary for me to go over Maharishi's books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what Yogananda's organisation has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Maharishi operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including he, is living like a king. Just words dude. Please itemize for us what has been accomplished with the hundreds of millions of dollars. Have you really seen close up how Maharishi operates? Vast amounts of money are squandered on wacky schemes that never come to fruition. Tony Nader isn't living like a king? He is one! Again, Rick, you somehow think you're in a pissing contest to see which cult is better. If you were more familiar with my posts you would know that I am one of the biggest critics of the TMO (not the technique but the organisation). And I truly understand if you aren't because, as the founder and quasi-moderator of this group, I get the impression you feel an obligation to read as many posts as possible and it would be very hard for anyone to be that familiar with all the opinions of all the people who post here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ...just change the names; the dance remains the same...
on 9/26/05 11:01 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, Rick, you somehow think you're in a pissing contest to see which cult is better. If you were more familiar with my posts you would know that I am one of the biggest critics of the TMO (not the technique but the organisation). And I truly understand if you aren't because, as the founder and quasi-moderator of this group, I get the impression you feel an obligation to read as many posts as possible and it would be very hard for anyone to be that familiar with all the opinions of all the people who post here. I guess I'm reacting to my possibly misperceived notion that you're saying that all cults are created equal. I perceive vast differences between various ones, although there may be certain fundamental similarities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's Ghost Whisperer
Rick Archer wrote: on 9/25/05 2:01 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is the same John Gray. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8423881/ refers to his New York home, but he lives in Marin. Yes I already confirmed that in an earlier message in this thread from looking at the Internet Movie Database. I thought it was kind of funny that the show's website didn't mention John Gray just James Van Praugh. This John Gray has a long list of production credits. I suspect many people watching though it was the Mars and Venus John Gray and that's the kind of thing law suits are made of though I suspect they got some clearance beforehand over the issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. You said it better than I did. Maybe the dishonest use of millions of dollars and screwing married women is spontaneous right action in tune with the home of all the laws of nature. You know - Vedic. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Inequality kills
Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country with the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. The people of Harlem live shorter lives than the people of Bangladesh. When you take out the violence and drugs, two-thirds of the reason is heart disease. Is that bad diet? No, says Wilkinson, it is mainly stress, the stress of living at the bottom of the pecking order, on the lowest rung, the stress of disrespect and lack of esteem. Bad nutrition does less harm than depression. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,6121,1538844,00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, Sept. 25, 2005 1:03 p.m. EDT Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms www.newsmax.com Environmentalists who claim global warming has caused an increase in U.S. hurricane activity obviously haven't checked with the National Hurricane Center, which has kept statistics on major storms over the last 150 years. That's probably because those statistics yield one inescapable conclusion: If global warming has had any impact at all on hurricane activity, it's lessened - not increased - the frequency of major hurricanes. From 1901 till 1950 - when the U.S. economy was a fraction of its current size and fossil fuel consumption was next to nil - there were 34 hurricanes rated at Catagory 3, 4 or 5 in size on the Saffir Simpson scale. In the latter half of the twentieth century - when U.S. manufacturing exploded, automobile use skyrocketed and rampant consumerism was the order of the day, hurricane activity actually decreased by nearly 20 percent, declining to 28 Catagory 3-5 hurricanes from 1951 to 2000. That's almost as low as the last five decades of the 19th century - when the overwhelming majority of Americans lived on farms, manual power was generated by watermills and cars had yet to be invented. From 1851 to 1900 there were 27 major hurricanes in the U.S. The stunning numbers didn't faze ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos, who attempted to counter panelist George Will when Will raised the Hurricane Center's findings during Sunday's broadcast. We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already got six very intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if to suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001. We had a US hurricane expert on UK telly on Saturday proposing this argument. He was asked if hurricanes gained strength according to the sea temperature under them. He said Yes. He was asked if global warming has increased that sea temperature. He said Yes. He was then asked if this did not prove that global warming was responsible for Rita gaining strength in the way that it did. He fell silent. Uns. ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. Just saw this: http://snipurl.com/gogp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country with the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. The people of Harlem live shorter lives than the people of Bangladesh. When you take out the violence and drugs, two-thirds of the reason is heart disease. Is that bad diet? No, says Wilkinson, it is mainly stress, the stress of living at the bottom of the pecking order, on the lowest rung, the stress of disrespect and lack of esteem. Bad nutrition does less harm than depression. and.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These nuns were like tireless angels. Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... Not to imply I take the above comment seriously, I wasn't joking, actually... but if someone wanted to support good works being done by an order of nuns, of which there are many, they should give money directly to that order. Each order is financially independent, and like the TMO, money flows towards the top, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's Ghost Whisperer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: on 9/25/05 2:01 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is the same John Gray. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8423881/ refers to his New York home, but he lives in Marin. Yes I already confirmed that in an earlier message in this thread from looking at the Internet Movie Database. I thought it was kind of funny that the show's website didn't mention John Gray just James Van Praugh. This John Gray has a long list of production credits. I suspect many people watching though it was the Mars and Venus John Gray and that's the kind of thing law suits are made of though I suspect they got some clearance beforehand over the issue. I assume Rick Archer knows Johnny Gray? Can he tell us: does Gray still do TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita'
With the shrieking winds of protest, and despair in the floods; Mr. Bush has a not so pleasant road to hoe. Mr. Cheney is also faltering from the knees; Wondering what kind of strength and direction; To make it through these times: As leadership is apparently dysfunctional, and rare; And although we have access to all knowledge; Who will be the one to lead us now? Robert Gimbel Seattle,WA.. USA Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's Ghost Whisperer
on 9/26/05 12:40 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume Rick Archer knows Johnny Gray? Can he tell us: does Gray still do TM? Johnny and I were friends on International and various courses and lived together with a few other guys for 6 months in 1976 in New Jersey. I haven't been in touch with him for a long time though, so I don't know what spiritual practices he's doing, if any. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita' on 9/26/05 12:54 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who will be the one to lead us now? Robert Gimbel Seattle,WA.. USA ROBERT FOR PRESIDENT! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 12:54 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who will be the one to lead us now? Robert Gimbel Seattle,WA.. USA ROBERT FOR PRESIDENT! If you want prose from a president Then we might as well elect Jesse Jackson Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
In a message dated 9/26/05 10:35:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! you mean the mars rover is not a fossil fuel burning SUV? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Next, give me the keys to your car; you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who will be the one to lead us now? The problem is believing that you need to be led. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Well, thank you, Tantra, for your level of ignorance comment...that truly sounds like the stance the TMO takes when it talks down to people. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. Yes, let's. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. Fine. Whether I'm employed or not has NOTHING to do with poverty (poverty = lack of basic necessities of life) You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Has nothing to do with poverty whether I work or not. Next, give me the keys to your car; A car is not a basic necessity of life (and, by the way, only a spoiled-brat American born with a silver spoon in his mouth would actually think that it was). you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, Savings has ZERO to do with whether one has the basic necessities of life. except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; Roof over one's head and minimal warmth IS a basic necessity, which you've granted me in your little experiment. you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Actually, Tantra, it is you who looks down on them: you obviously don't even consider poor people humans who are possessed of the same equal intelligence that you have. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Why do you even waste your time with cretins like me, Tantra? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heheheheheheheheehe! I found her comment in the article linked to as quite telling. She said: The whole world is watching. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch, Dr. John Hagelin Launch 20-City Megatour of East Coast College Campuses
US Peace Government News: Filmmaker David Lynch, Dr. John Hagelin Launch 20-City Megatour of East Coast College Campuses OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT 2000 Capital Boulevard . Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556 Filmmaker David Lynch, Dr. John Hagelin Launch 20-City Megatour of East Coast College Campuses David Lynch Dr. John Hagelin PresidentOn September 25, award-winning film director David Lynch and US Peace Government president Dr. John Hagelin kicked off a 20-city college campus tour to speak on Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain. Advanced word of the tour has already generated huge ticket sales and intense media interest. The tour will showcase the power of the Transcendental Meditation program in boosting brain performance, intelligence, creativity and academic success-as well as promoting peace and harmony throughout society. Thousands of college students have already signed up for these events. The forum will include an onsite demonstration of brainwave coherence produced through the practice of the Transcendental Meditation program. The brainwaves of meditating volunteers will be projected in real time onto giant monitors and will be analyzed by participating scientists. During the tour, Mr. Lynch and Dr. Hagelin will also be meeting with major foundations and top philanthropists to promote the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, which will fund implementation of these programs (see below). We encourage all supporters of the US Peace Government to invite their friends and colleagues on the East Coast to attend these historic events, which we expect to revitalize the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation program on college campuses nationwide. If you or your colleagues would like to support the David Lynch Foundation, please visit http://davidlynchfoundation.org/contribute.html or contact Chris Busch at (641) 209-6404. The September-October East Coast campus tour includes the following cities. (A similar tour is scheduled for the West Coast in November.) For more information, please contact forum organizers at the indicated email addresses and phone numbers. Sept. 25 Ann Arbor, MI Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 734-677-8686 Sept. 27 Washington, DC Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 828-263-0119 Sept. 28 Philadelphia, PA Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 215-886-5239 Sept. 29 New York, NY Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 212-779-9933 Sept. 30 New Haven, CT Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 203-288-2660 Oct. 1 Boston, MA Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 508-563-5421 Oct. 2 Providence, RI Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 401-780-9600 The David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace Film director David Lynch has recently established a new foundation, the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, dedicated to bringing the benefits of the stress-reducing, health-promoting Transcendental Meditation program to students, teachers, and parents (www.DavidLynchFoundation.com). Mr. Lynch, who is currently directing a new film, Inland Empire, says the Transcendental Meditation technique helps students of all ages, nationalities, and religions learn better, handle stress better, and know themselves better. The Transcendental Meditation technique has been learned by tens of thousand of students in schools, colleges, and universities all over the country. There is also extensive published research to document the technique's wide-ranging health benefits for mind, body, and society. I am starting this Foundation to ensure that every child in America who wants to meditate can learn, Mr. Lynch says. The David Lynch Foundation will fund in-school TM programs-and support scientific research on the effects of the technique-for developing a student's brain potential, improving academic performance, and helping students with learning disabilities, high blood pressure, and other stress-related disorders, such as anxiety, depression, drug abuse, etc. Mr. Lynch has been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique for 32 years. You are receiving this newsletter because you subscribed to our list. WE DO NOT SEND UNSOLICITED EMAIL. If you would like to be removed from this list, please click here. --- Headers --- __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. Ain't life interesting? Oh, life is very interesting. John and I aren't in touch. When I lived in Fairfield years ago we used to bump into each other from time to time. John is intellectually honest and, in private, would understand and in many cases agree with what many of us complain about. About SSRS, John would have no problem with it, again, in private, but he has an official role in the TMO and fulfilling that function requires that he not implictly endorse any other teaching. John and I have always had very spirited conversations and I'd love to have one with him now about his experiences with MMY and how he deals with the cognitive dissonance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's Ghost Whisperer
Rick Archer wrote: on 9/26/05 12:40 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume Rick Archer knows Johnny Gray? Can he tell us: does Gray still do TM? Johnny and I were friends on International and various courses and lived together with a few other guys for 6 months in 1976 in New Jersey. I haven't been in touch with him for a long time though, so I don't know what spiritual practices he's doing, if any. I saw him on PBS a couple years back doing an advaita kind of thing. I but I don't see it here: http://www.marsvenus.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:24 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heheheheheheheheehe! I found her comment in the article linked to as quite telling. She said: The whole world is watching. Gandhi's and King's arrests probably helped their causes. did Gandhi and King dance over the carcass of their dead son? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. Yes, let's. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. Fine. Whether I'm employed or not has NOTHING to do with poverty (poverty = lack of basic necessities of life) Remember, Shemp, you have no money. You just spent the last of it on one month's rent. You also have no health insurance. I'm going to be generous and give you $100 or so to cover food and transportation on the bus for this first month that you're searching for work. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Has nothing to do with poverty whether I work or not. Tell me about that when your 100 bucks runs out. Next, give me the keys to your car; A car is not a basic necessity of life (and, by the way, only a spoiled-brat American born with a silver spoon in his mouth would actually think that it was). Great. Then you'll have no problem looking for a job on the bus, will you? you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, Savings has ZERO to do with whether one has the basic necessities of life. I see. If you're lucky, you won't get sick during the next six months, and have to see a doctor. except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; Roof over one's head and minimal warmth IS a basic necessity, which you've granted me in your little experiment. I'm being generous. According to one study I just studied, at any given time 1.2 million Americans don't even have that. They're homeless. And that's just the homeless CHILDREN. you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Actually, Tantra, it is you who looks down on them: you obviously don't even consider poor people humans who are possessed of the same equal intelligence that you have. Intelligence, yes. Opportunities, no. That's what you would have discovered if you had ever been in their shoes. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Why do you even waste your time with cretins like me, Tantra? A good question. Because sometimes you show heart. Other times, you're just a typical American -- ignorant and proud of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Next, give me the keys to your car; you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY:Natural disater in New Orleans
Extract from Maharishi's Global Press Conference Aug 31/2005 Question: What lesson should simple, common people learn from such a terrible, natural disaster (California, New Orleans)? MAHARISHI: Everyone should learn - be he simple or complicated - everyone should learn as you sow, so shall you reap. It is the collective consciousness of USA which is the action of a government. It is the collective consciousness of USA which is the action of a government. If being murderous to the world, being fearful to the world, being crucial to the world: as you sow, so shall you reap. This is the word from the celebrated religion of America, word from Bible of America. A word of Christianity, the religion of the people of America. The religion of the President of America. We don't have to learn from anywhere outside. Their religious teachers have been telling them every day or every week in the churches. The religious priests have been reminding the people as you sow, so shall you reap. If you can be a tyrant to the world, Natural Law will be the same to you! That's all. There is not much argument, not much intelligence to think about it: as you sow, so shall you reap. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. You are missing the point. Try thinking about it about more. Or follow the link and read the rest of the book review. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. with the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. The people of Harlem live shorter lives than the people of Bangladesh. When you take out the violence and drugs, two-thirds of the reason is heart disease. Is that bad diet? No, says Wilkinson, it is mainly stress, the stress of living at the bottom of the pecking order, on the lowest rung, the stress of disrespect and lack of esteem. Bad nutrition does less harm than depression. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,6121 ,1538844,00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan Shrieking/Like the Winds of Katrina/Rita'
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who will be the one to lead us now? The problem is believing that you need to be led. The American Sheeple won't realize that until Joe Sixpack can no longer buy a sixpack and go to the local strip bar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proper and Improper Sexual Relations
The following excerpts raise some interesting questions. (Some excerpts are grouped by theme and not in their original order. Apologies if any critical context is lost.) * Does any group of humans, particularly age cohorts, deserve or require special treatment and/or care relative to others? Unc: A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being Spraig: Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. * Qualifying sex as non-consensual implies that the argument is not true for the other half of the general category. Does the above imply that consensual sex with children is worse than consensual sex with adults? * If not, why was the qualification made: is the point being made uncategorical, (all forms of) sex with children was no worse than (all forms of) sex with adults. ? * If consensual sex (by adults) with children is deemed to be worse than consensual sex between adults, how does that effect the premise (above) that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being * Is consensual sex between older adults (40 -60) and younger adults aka legally able to consent (18-25) bad in all instances? * Are there situations where the above could be good? For both parties. * What are the criteria for good and bad in this context? * Is consensual sex bad if both parties do not find benefit from the relationship regardless of age? * Is consensual sex bad if one or both parties find some benefits and some downside from the relationship regardless of age? * Should outside others be concerned, judge, comment, confront and/or gossip on what they view as inappropriate sex between consenting adults? * Regardless of age? * Should outside others be concerned, judge, comment, confront nd/or gossip on sex between a consenting adult and a legally consenting minor (18-21 in many states, 16-21 in some states)? [Hence forth the term adult refers to those at or above age 21. The term adult refers to those of legally consenting age.] Spraig: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Anonymousff: Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. * Is sex between consenting adults or adults, regardless of age differentials, acceptable absent some situations such as: adultery, large power differentials (economic, evaluation or grading, psychological, teaching relationship, etc), incest, prostitution? Rick: Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. * If Clinton were divorced and out of office, and had a relationship with a woman of Monica's age, would this still be irresponsible? In other words, does the irresponsibility have to do with adultery, having sex in the oval office, large power differentials (including employer power)? Or is basically any consensual sex irresponsible where there is a large age differential? Shempmcgurk: Obviously, women should lose the vote. They are not full human beings with free choice. Peter: While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Sparaig: Women aren't stupid. They're generally well aware of what kind of guy they are sleeping with by the time they are 18-20 or so. Why is it your concern? Rick: A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. * Do women of consensual age need protecting? * Do men of consensual age need protecting? * Should women (or men) of consensual age be allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them? If not, at what age should they be able to? * If the younger woman (or man) is as, or more, sexually experienced as the older partner, does that change any of the above? * To what extent to J and B's sexual and dating reputation preceed them? Are there any/ many women who date them who are unaware of the reputation and what they are getting into? * Its postulated that various segments of woman might consensually sleep with a figure such as JH: i) really likes and admires him, always had a crush on him, ii) loves his mind, want to be around him iii) looking for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
Recently saw a very good movie of his, Indigo, about psychic kids. (I think it's the same one--he's an actor, right?) It was all filmed on location in N California, and the scenery is just gorgeous--especially after living in the mIdwest. :) It's also a really good story even if you took the psychic stuff out. Sal On Sep 26, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Neale Donald Walsch
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY:Natural disater in New Orleans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extract from Maharishi's Global Press Conference Aug 31/2005 Question: What lesson should simple, common people learn from such a terrible, natural disaster (California, New Orleans)? MAHARISHI: Everyone should learn - be he simple or complicated - everyone should learn as you sow, so shall you reap. It is the collective consciousness of USA which is the action of a government. It is the collective consciousness of USA which is the action of a government. If being murderous to the world, being fearful to the world, being crucial to the world: as you sow, so shall you reap. This is the word from the celebrated religion of America, word from Bible of America. A word of Christianity, the religion of the people of America. The religion of the President of America. We don't have to learn from anywhere outside. Their religious teachers have been telling them every day or every week in the churches. The religious priests have been reminding the people as you sow, so shall you reap. If you can be a tyrant to the world, Natural Law will be the same to you! That's all. There is not much argument, not much intelligence to think about it: as you sow, so shall you reap. ...and the complete failure of the TM Movement would be the responsibility of whom... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Like I said...
...having the most wonderful time dancing over the carcass of her dead son: http://www.drudgereport.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bush, Puffy-eyed, cranky, fidgety, rocking back and forth in his chair
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
I propose a weekly FFL award for Most Ignorant Post of the Week. I nominate this one. I'd back it to win Most Ignorant Post of the Year, too, and perhaps of all time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper and Improper Sexual Relations
You can't do your program in the dome, set foot on campus, ever go on a course again because we heard you visited Ammachi/Karunamayi/Dr. Ladd/read FFLife/know Rick Archer and Doug Hamilton (who are wonderful people) WHILE I can go to the dome and I have slept with married women whose marriage I may have broken up and whose husbands have donated a lot of money to the movement and who I used to be friends with --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following excerpts raise some interesting questions. (Some excerpts are grouped by theme and not in their original order. Apologies if any critical context is lost.) * Does any group of humans, particularly age cohorts, deserve or require special treatment and/or care relative to others? Unc: A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being Spraig: Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. * Qualifying sex as non-consensual implies that the argument is not true for the other half of the general category. Does the above imply that consensual sex with children is worse than consensual sex with adults? * If not, why was the qualification made: is the point being made uncategorical, (all forms of) sex with children was no worse than (all forms of) sex with adults. ? * If consensual sex (by adults) with children is deemed to be worse than consensual sex between adults, how does that effect the premise (above) that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being * Is consensual sex between older adults (40 -60) and younger adults aka legally able to consent (18-25) bad in all instances? * Are there situations where the above could be good? For both parties. * What are the criteria for good and bad in this context? * Is consensual sex bad if both parties do not find benefit from the relationship regardless of age? * Is consensual sex bad if one or both parties find some benefits and some downside from the relationship regardless of age? * Should outside others be concerned, judge, comment, confront and/or gossip on what they view as inappropriate sex between consenting adults? * Regardless of age? * Should outside others be concerned, judge, comment, confront nd/or gossip on sex between a consenting adult and a legally consenting minor (18-21 in many states, 16-21 in some states)? [Hence forth the term adult refers to those at or above age 21. The term adult refers to those of legally consenting age.] Spraig: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Anonymousff: Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. * Is sex between consenting adults or adults, regardless of age differentials, acceptable absent some situations such as: adultery, large power differentials (economic, evaluation or grading, psychological, teaching relationship, etc), incest, prostitution? Rick: Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. * If Clinton were divorced and out of office, and had a relationship with a woman of Monica's age, would this still be irresponsible? In other words, does the irresponsibility have to do with adultery, having sex in the oval office, large power differentials (including employer power)? Or is basically any consensual sex irresponsible where there is a large age differential? Shempmcgurk: Obviously, women should lose the vote. They are not full human beings with free choice. Peter: While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Sparaig: Women aren't stupid. They're generally well aware of what kind of guy they are sleeping with by the time they are 18-20 or so. Why is it your concern? Rick: A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. * Do women of consensual age need protecting? * Do men of consensual age need protecting? * Should women (or men) of consensual age be allowed to make
[FairfieldLife] That House for Sale
That house on Heartland Real Estate site out of Glasow on 252 St is owned or was bought by Lancaster Family Trust. Anyone know who that is or why they are selling or where they are going? From Heartland Site it does not look like more but from the assessors site it is huge from the back view. I never knew it existed . NOt that I want it at all just curious. Also the Hurlins house is up for sale. They bought some tiny house in Eco village that they are adding on to. I guess these rich folks have enough money to downsize and let their mansions just sit there. Like Marcus. Rick any idea what they paid for Grants log house or must I want until the assessor posts it. That house needed many upgrades inside that I am sure they will do. I just cant imagine they liked it but one story and less maintenance then their big house on B St that might face East but may not be totally SV. What these people will do to follow the master and belive what he says. Guess if you have the money and want to stay in FF. I have to tell you I saw the Grants and I would not want to drive thru Utopia Park every day to get there. Even if it is torn down as rumored still houses are so close together. Well guess it was appealing to them to have a smaller one story house here. Frankly I think the smaller and one story is a big selling point as we are all aging and will have houses elsewhere and if not want smaller less to maintain kids are gone. However the builders cant build them. If they could figure out how to do it and not have them cost an arm and a leg they would acutally make some money. The ones I have spoken too said they cant do it as they need 2 acres to build 2,000 ft SV with fence and all especially if attached garage. I guess if you give that up maybe they can do for less but in this weather who would build without that if you were already spending such big bucks but many did. oh well could rant for hours must get back to work If anyone know whose house that is off Glascow and what the circumstances are I would be interested Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
Through a combination of free market economics and social programs, the United States has achieved the virtual elimination of poverty. Poverty means the actual dictionary definition of poverty, NOT the silly definition of poverty line that the liberal press irresponsibily puts out to the world. The true, actual definition of poverty means the absense of the basic necessities of life. No one is without those basic necessities in the U.S. unless they WANT to be without those basic necessities. This has been an incredible feat. Those of you -- like the poster that celebrates my ignorance and like Tantra who looks down his nose at me like the TMO he never fails to express his disdain for does to those that disagree with it -- who fail to recognize this fact do a great, great injustice to the poor of the world. Why? Because the formula for success in eliminating poverty HAS been achieved: it is, again, this system in the U.S. that combines free market capitalism with those bottom-line basic necessities- providing social programs. By NOT recognizing this success, you perpetuate the search for something OTHER THAN the formula that works. How can others around the world living in countries in which REAL, TRUE poverty exist possibly find the solution to the horrible problem of poverty when those, like you, living in the country that has found the solution, deny it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose a weekly FFL award for Most Ignorant Post of the Week. I nominate this one. I'd back it to win Most Ignorant Post of the Year, too, and perhaps of all time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? You are easily the most annoying person to ever post to this group. blech Gee, I thought *I* was. Other than your bickering with Barry I always find your posts well written and well-documented. I marvel at how few techincal writing errors you make. Well, thanks. (As an editor by profession, I'd *better* have a pretty good grasp of the technical writing details!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY:Natural disater in New Orleans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extract from Maharishi's Global Press Conference Aug 31/2005 Question: What lesson should simple, common people learn from such a terrible, natural disaster (California, New Orleans)? MAHARISHI: Everyone should learn - be he simple or complicated - everyone should learn as you sow, so shall you reap. It is the collective consciousness... ...and any day now, MMY will explain away the catastrophic recent floods in Bombay, and the Maharashtra floods of a fortnight ago, both causing massive loss of life. You job, Maharishi, was/is to teach TM, an excellent business, to enough people to cause a chain reaction. Look at your movement; prune the dead wood, and get on with it without any more whingeing. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Livingston Manor - history
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea who that might have been? I have no idea. Most of the residence courses I did were planned by the residence course office in Cambridge and taught by local teachers. The only exception was in some of the few courses I did in CT, where sometimes teachers from further south would come north. One of my most interesting courses was in Litchfield, CT, always a favorite place for courses, a farm with duck ponds and great food that was owned by meditators or meditator-friendly people. Alan Solof and someone from PA, his name was something like Michael Moore, taught it. This was a 4-day course on a miserably hot and humid 1977 Easter weekend, a very short time before news of the new sidhis courses came out. Our two teachers had just come back from a long course with MMY, sidhis I suppose. Michael kept telling us how the teachers on his course were going into unity all the time, while Alan was so spaced out or else unstressing that he could barely interact with the group. They didn't know how to bring us down in rounds and asked if we should be doing two rounds on the last day or one round and a group meditation. We ended up doing both, which led to a spacey 2 1/2 hour drive back home. This was my last old-style residence course. After that, it was sidhis, then CCP and WPAs. There was a period, pre-Regional offices, when any TM teacher could arrange for a place and teach a weekend residence course. Then a decree came down from on high that this was uncool, so things had to be more controlled. What that meant in real life was that the Regional Offices had to find a way to pay all of their people's salaries without asking the TMO for money. I ran the Western Regional Office for a couple of years, and it was *amazing* the amount of overhead we had to stick onto the price of a residence course to do this. A course that should have cost $40 per participant per week- end ended up costing $100. To our credit, we did do what seems not to have been done on the East coast and had training courses for teachers who wanted to teach residence courses, going over the kinds of things they needed to know and the things they had to be aware of when teaching them. I taught a lot of courses myself during that period, and it was a fun but often trying experience. To think of someone diving into it without being aware of some of the things that can come up is a little scary. FWIW, every residence course/WPA I've been on (all in the Northeast) has been very well run by teachers who seemed to know exactly what they were doing (including dealing with difficulties). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wacko Democrat Streisand declares Global Warming emergency
shempmcgurk wrote: X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN SEPT 25, 2005 16:44:05 ET X STREISAND DECLARES 'GLOBAL WARMING EMERGENCY' THE SUPERSTAR SONGSTRESS SERENADED SAWYER WITH STORM SEASON ASSERTIONS. BUT TO SOME SHE'LL SOUND MORE LIKE A WINDSOCK SINGING LIBERALISM'S GOLDEN OLDIES! NEW YORK -- This summer's back to back superstorms are proof positive we have entered a new period of global warming emergency, artist/citizen Barbra Streisand warns. Streisand is back on the scene to promote her reunion disc with Barry Gibb. As hellstorm Rita churned in the Gulf, Streisand sat down for a promotional interview with ABCNEWS's Diane Sawyer. We are in a global warming emergency state, and these storms are going to become more frequent, more intense, Streisand urgently declares. But Sawyer did not remind Streisand that a Category 5 hurricane struck the Bahamas with 160 mph winds -- when the singer was five years old, in 1947! And when Streisand was 8 years old, a Cat 5 hurricane -- named Dog -- packing 185 mph churned-away in the Atlantic. When she was 9, a Cat 5 storm named Easy ripped the seas with 160 mph sustained winds. Streisand was 13 years old when Janet hit Mexico with 150 mph winds. Streisand was celebrating her sweet sixteen as Cleo formed with 140 mph. At 18, Streisand read news about Donna AND Ethel -- both storms carried 140 mph winds and formed 9 days apart in 1960! One year later, when Streisand was 19, it happened again: Two Category 5 storms scared the world: Carla and Hattie! Carla maxed out at 175 mph winds the year Streisand made her television debut on The Jack Paar Show. And who could forget Hurricane Camille -- which smashed into the United States with 190 mph, just as Funny Girl garners eight Academy Award nominations, including one for Best Picture and one for Barbra as Best Actress. Up next on the weather warning watch, Streisand says to ABC: There could be more droughts, dust bowls. You know, it's amazing to hear these facts. Developing... So you are in favor of some raping and pillaging the environment for their own short term gain? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Brief History of Time?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Why would the Finnish call it the inaccuracy principle? Beats me. Perhaps some kind of repression(?). It might have been too unbearable for those scientist who first translated the term that something in science can be obviously for ever uncertain. Well, the English-speaking scientists seem to have the same problem; the formal name of the Heisenberg principle is the indeterminacy principle, not the uncertainty principle. But indeterminacy still isn't equivalent to inaccuracy! When I just learned that the (I believe) original German is Heisenbergsche Unschärferelation, I realized what the Finnish translators might have had in mind, that is, probably rather unsharpness of an image than inaccuracy of measurement, because the adjective epä-tarkka can also be used of a picture when it's blurred(?). Makes sense, except I thought you said Heisenberg had called it Unbestimmtheit. OTOH, one of the first translations for string theory was jousi-teoria. I might be wrong, but it seems to me that was because string orchestra in Finnish is jousi-orkesteri. But, unfortunately, jousi (yo-see) means bow or spring, not string... Uh-oh! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddhis, sort of?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet ...he reminds me of Temple Grandin, the American autistic savant, who also is able to articulate her experiences. Is Temmet the guy who was a guest on David Letterman a few weeks back? He looked and sounded completely normal, except for being a bit self-conscious. Why is he supposed to be autistic? http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1409903,00.html Jeepers, that's a *fascinating* profile, many thanks. I'm pretty sure he's the guy who was on Letterman. I'd never have known he was autistic if it hadn't been discussed in the interview. I can't say the article clarifies anything about him, though. It just raises more questions, concerning him and the nature of the human mind generally. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't you GET it, man? This forum arose because there is no other forum like it within the TM move- ment. There is nowhere one can go to express one's legitimate questions about how things are run with- out running into fanatics who feel that their job is to SILENCE such questions, not deal with them. On this forum, you seem to feel that this is your function. It's behavior more appropriate to a.m.t., where such things are considered The Way Things Should Be Done. This is an *wildly* inaccurate description of alt.m.t, as well as of Lawson's behavior. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. Many women have come forward, I have spoken to several women who were pretty shaken up after they had been called into Bevan's office, having no idea they were about to be propositioned. Who knows how many were put in this position. This is from the President of an accredited university. Imagine if it came to light that the President of Harvard, or University of Iowa or any college or university had done this repeatedly? One afternoon, While with dear friends, well-to-do's, I was privvy to a conversation from a husband, a large donor to the movement, whose wife had just admitted to him that she had been having an affair with Hagelin. While she was in the admission mode she made mention of a loop of married women that both Bevan and Hagelin had each been sleeping with. This was a massive shock to me. One of the men I was with at the time we heard this conversation told me this was all well-known fact and had been going on for quite some time. These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, The question was whether they were more in need of protection from adults who would do them harm (specifically sexual predators) than other adults are, given that children are dependent on adults for their welfare and even for their survival and have fewer resources--mental, psychological, and physical-- with which to defend themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. That apply to Maharishi as well? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: what is TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ohm281 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was just reading some of the posts and rather than search for answers on the forum decided to post a question. And your question was...? oh and to say that i am a free thinker that looks for the benifit of any particular type of organized group of philosiphers and or religions. i take the good and leave the rest. i have found a really good way of attaining a certain degree of ability to attain enlightenment. i do not say that it is the path to enlightenment but it helps a great deal in the ability of the individual to reach for that goal. it is called dianetics r3x. and there is only one person that i know of that performes the auditing. he does it by phone and is very competent. anyway for me it is like night and day compared to what i used to be like i go for days without thinking in words and my perception of my universe has multiplied. i have gotten to a point where i can percieve what other people are imagining and see how (literally) others affect my perception of reality. anyway i have only gone through the first 2 dynamics. there are 8 dynamics in all. the first two are your sense of self and your sense of perpetuating your immortality by procreation. anyway it is easy for me to make a decision and stick with it. unless i change my mind. then that is ok too. john b. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the TMO fall under the parameters of the following definition of a cult? Sounds a lot like the Army. There's a tendency to look at these lists of cultic elements only one way. You also have to ask whether the same elements are found in groups nobody would consider cults. From: http://www.spiritwatch.org/cultdef.htm 7 ELEMENTS OF A CULTIC GROUP 1) A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority 2) A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as the truth 3) A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging 4) A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group 5) A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members 6) A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics 7) A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. Many women have come forward, I have spoken to several women who were pretty shaken up after they had been called into Bevan's office, having no idea they were about to be propositioned. Who knows how many were put in this position. This is from the President of an accredited university. Imagine if it came to light that the President of Harvard, or University of Iowa or any college or university had done this repeatedly? One afternoon, While with dear friends, well-to-do's, I was privvy to a conversation from a husband, a large donor to the movement, whose wife had just admitted to him that she had been having an affair with Hagelin. While she was in the admission mode she made mention of a loop of married women that both Bevan and Hagelin had each been sleeping with. This was a massive shock to me. One of the men I was with at the time we heard this conversation told me this was all well-known fact and had been going on for quite some time. These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. Ever seen the movie The Inner Circle about how life is lived in the inner circle around Stalin during the '40s and '50s in Moscow? Beria et al. took advantage of the peons and underlings the same way that is described above vis a vis Bevan and Hagelin... It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that humans are responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the atmosphere is? And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect? Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating global warming. But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it is. Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence. It's very much like evolution, in fact. There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that conclusion: 1) Is global warming occuring? Overwhelming consensus that it is. 2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil fuels? Somewhat less certain, but still a significant consensus. 3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global warming a good or bad thing? Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing. 4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits of reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it? This isn't a hurdle to your original question, but rather to the question of what, if anything, we should do about global warming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Request for Christian or other clergy who have a good word about TM
Hello all, A friend is working on a TM project and is looking for clergy who ideally practice TM and have something nice to say about it. Let me know if you know anyone along these lines. Ron __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
I'm wondering what exactly separates a cult from a regular religion to begin with. The main difference that I can see in most cases is simply higher numbers. Beyond that, aren't they all somewhat cult-like? Sal On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:48 PM, authfriend wrote: There's a tendency to look at these lists of cultic elements only one way. You also have to ask whether the same elements are found in groups nobody would consider cults.
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars! It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels. So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that humans are responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the atmosphere is? And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect? Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating global warming. But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it is. Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence. It's very much like evolution, in fact. There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that conclusion: 1) Is global warming occuring? Overwhelming consensus that it is. As Michael Creighton's excellent lecture pointed out (and which we had extensive debate on already, Judy, on amt), consensus has nothing to do with science; only facts do. 2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil fuels? Somewhat less certain, but still a significant consensus. ditto re: consensus. 3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global warming a good or bad thing? Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing. ditto re: consensus. 4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits of reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it? This isn't a hurdle to your original question, but rather to the question of what, if anything, we should do about global warming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
