[FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If J and B are coercing students to have sex, why are the students not reporting it? A comprehensive reporting and review system is in place. And, like most such systems, it is a joke if the people involved know that they are jeapardizing their career or, in this instance, their spiritual liberation, by using it. The Army has such a system, too, but estimates that less than 10% of the abuses are ever reported because it is a given that any woman who reports abuse has ended her career in the military. Same thing in the TM movement. Can you *imagine* how the reportee would be treated? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? It's more likely to be the Judy Garland connection because, as everyone knows, gays like lavish Broadway musicals and Judy Garland was the Queen of Broadway... But the term predates Judy Garland. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Request for Christian or other clergy who have a good word about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, A friend is working on a TM project and is looking for clergy who ideally practice TM and have something nice to say about it. Let me know if you know anyone along these lines. Ah, the rigorous TM scientific proof methodology at work. :-) But are they facing east when they interview people? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the TMO fall under the parameters of the following definition of a cult? Sounds a lot like the Army. There's a tendency to look at these lists of cultic elements only one way. You also have to ask whether the same elements are found in groups nobody would consider cults. You *could* ask whether these other groups are also cults. For example, anyone who has ever worked for Microsoft would probably say that it is definitely one. The military is very definitely a cult... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Thinking about that thought, paraphrasing, I just don't want to be oveshadowed gets funnier and funnier the more it is contemplated and considered. Its like a perfect jeweled Russian egg, that cracks perfectly in four places to reveal itself. Might I suggest you're wildly overinterpreting it? (Like Rory.) Though I suspect this may be a huh moment for some. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T writes: No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be able to hold all that in the awake mind. akasha_108 wrote: Then it must be possible to be able to hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities. Rory wrote: Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake snip Akasha108 wrote: then why bring it up? You tell me; you're the one who brought it up; I was just agreeing with you :-) Rory wrote: -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, Akasha108 wrote: We have seen? I missed that paper, in what journal was that study published? Rory: The Journal of Irreproducible Results, vol. 1008, no. 108 IIRC. No, seriously -- we have seen here on FFL, the only journal really worth reading at this moment IMNSHO :-) Rory wrote: only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, Akasha108 wrote: How many times do I have to tell you??!! Its an Understanding, not an Experience!! :) Rory writes: *lol* Yes; visceral appreciation is part of the full-bodied flavor of Understanding; it is not an experience, something enshrined in space and time as a memory or a desire, but we might certainly say that Understanding includes Experience, the two married together as ever-present apperception a la Jean Kline :-) Rory: while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear Akasha108: appear to whom? Rory: Yes, appear to whom? Who is (t)here? Who is questioning, and who is answering? Who is writing, and who is reading? How many of Us are there, anyhow? rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident Akasha: straining is a bummer Rory: leads (or can lead) to hemorrhoids, I am told awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-now) idealized criteria. Akasha: Or maybe lots of other alternatives. (Tom doesn't like your black and white views, it appears.) No, Tom generally likes mine, because we speak the truth; we just don't like anyone else's, because if they pretend they are someone else, they are lying :-) This self-denial would thus appear Akasha: appear to whom? Rory: You tell me, Mr. A; appear to whom? Akasha: appearance as in apparition? Rory: appear as in appear? :-) always to be itself a self- referent mistake of the intellect: Akasha: God made faulty machinery? Has he issued a recall? Rory: *lol* Who says it was faulty? And who is he? attributing some imaginary (not- here-now) properties Akasha: What else is here other than the here and now? Are you imagining things again? :) Rory: Yes! :-) :-) (or shoulds) Akasha: and who is your imaginary attributor? Rory: Yes, Who? It would appear there is only one of us :-) to what is without properties Akasha: guess they won't hurt when the real estate / properties bubble burts Rory: There you go with those hemorrhoids again :-) or only truly simply and nakedly what is in this moment, here- now, Akasha: what else is there? Only one drawn to or absorbed to the other will be aware of it. Rory: What other? You are confusing me :-) and then bewailing the absence of these same imaginary properties (or the presence of other less-desired imaginary properties) here- now, and thus invoking an overlay of space-time-desire etc. Akasha: Again, only one who imagines such can be aware of such, absorbed into such. Rory: Yes, of course. Only one. And yet somehow the intellect is eventually able to see through this same not-here-now overlay and abandon it Akasha: I thought the intellect was broken. Did it get fixed? Rory: Who said it was broken? Presumably that's the same one who who could conceive of its being fixed...? :-) into what always is, has always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of (not)self itself... Akasha: Ah, you took that Simuladvaita class. Was it good? Rory: It takes one to know one; you tell me; is it good? :-) How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? Akasha: I don't know. The question never arises where duality is absent. Rory: Never? But what about All Possibilities? That was our whole point, wasn't it? :-) Akasha: But, have patience, in time such duality disolves and such silly thoughts cease to arise. Rory: Are we sure? How do we know this is true if we are not experiencing it in this moment? My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let's say we don't get attached. Let's say we've never *been* attached. Let's say human beans have always been realized. How far back would that apply, do you think, given that human beans--Homo sapiens--didn't emerge full- blown from the head of Zeus but evolved gradually from earlier humanoid species? Judy: Don't you believe in creative design? Huh? Creationism...you know, Adam, Eve, the Snake, the whole damn thing... Uh, no, I don't believe in creationism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? duh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. Sure sounds like it given how you've complained about it. Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the TMO fall under the parameters of the following definition of a cult? Sounds a lot like the Army. There's a tendency to look at these lists of cultic elements only one way. You also have to ask whether the same elements are found in groups nobody would consider cults. You *could* ask whether these other groups are also cults. For example, anyone who has ever worked for Microsoft would probably say that it is definitely one. Or you could recognize that the issue is the definition of the term. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory wrote: Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here- now) idealized criteria. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or not. My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Judy, if that is a criterion that is not evidently present here- now, then I would respectfully suggest it is idealized, conceptual, and *obscuring* the perfect grace of the simple reality which is your birthright from yourself to yourself in this moment. In other words, I can pretty much guarantee you that as long as you are looking to be not overshadowed, that desire *itself* is going to overshadow you. You are bigger than the goal you are imagining; you can't shoehorn yourself with integrity into something that small. You can't deny any of it; you contain *all of it* :-) Never mind. snip How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones like them) as ideas or ideals and use them to *obscure* the reality they are intended to *describe* (which can of course appear quite horrible, gnarly, and so on as well as stunningly beautiful, etc.), and so the projection is underway, and don't we all love a good movie! Judy wrote: Take a minute for a little thought experiment, Rory. Let's say we don't get attached. Let's say we've never *been* attached. Let's say human beans have always been realized. How far back would that apply, do you think, given that human beans--Homo sapiens--didn't emerge full- blown from the head of Zeus but evolved gradually from earlier humanoid species? Such is not precisely my understanding or experience, so far as self- aware consciousness goes. That evidently exists a priori. Yes, we apparently incarnate or have incarnated earlier forms of primate (as well as countless other forms, of course), but as far as I can see, that self-realization or self-awareness has always been present, before dropping into those forms, while in those forms, and after leaving those forms. And then I've got another question or two. As always, I am at your service, O She-who-is-wide-awake-even-in- sleep :-) Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T writes: It is both, it is either and it is neither all at the same time. Tom Judy writes: Or none of the above... Tom T: Which part of all possibilities isn't clear? Um, I was invoking Nagarjuna. As if he knew better than anyone else? :-) Sorry, just always amused by the authority thang. What's amusing is the idea that the citation of a particular person's thoughts is always a manifestation of the authority thing, as if it could only be an attempt to trump other thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
On 9/27/05 12:51 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: into what always is, has always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of (not)self itself... Ah, you took that Simuladvaita class. Was it good? ROFLOL! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what exactly separates a cult from a regular religion to begin with. The main difference that I can see in most cases is simply higher numbers. Beyond that, aren't they all somewhat cult-like? In my opinion, yes, most of them are. If you look up the actual definition of 'cult' in the dictionary, you'll find that it has little to do with the modern, perverted meaning of the word we throw around today. Many common usage words do not adhere to usage a century ago or middle age usage. Language evolves. Go Figure! Are you suggesting we should all start talking and writing in 1850's english? Or that we would be better off if we did? Dictionary publishers are vigorously engaged in cateloging new usages of exisiting words as well as new words. If your dictionary does not cover common usage that includes the destructive cult use of cult, then your dictionary is way out of date and perhaps you chould get a new one. Here is my first google hit. I am sure most modern dictionaries include the modern usage. http://www.cultfaq.org/cultfaq-cult-definition.html Introduction The word cult comes from the French culte, and is rooted in the Latin cultus, which means care and adoration. That idea comes from the Latin cultus - the past participle of colere, which means to cultivate. The word was used in the sense of to worship or give reference to a deity. (Note 1) Nowadays the term 'cult' has a variety of meanings, as evidenced by this dictionary entry: 1. : formal religious veneration : worship 2. : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3. : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4. : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator health cults 5. a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion Source: Merriam-Webster OnlineOff-site Link Back To Top Positive, Negative, or Neutral? The term 'cult' can be used in a positive, negative, or neutral sense. Examples: * Postive sense: How much would you pay for a bottle of wine? $20? $40? How about $500 or $1,000? That's how much collectors have been paying for California's so-called Cult Wines. But why? Source: What Makes A Cult Wine?Off-site Link KRON TV, Feb. 7, 2002 Back To Top You may also have heard of, for example, cult films, cult bands, or cult hits. Here the term 'cult' refers to a relatively small but devoted following. * Negative sense: Example 1 The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also enslave them to further its wicked ends. Source: Operation Clambake present: What is Scientology?Off-site Link Back To Top You may also have heard of other destructive cults, such as David Koresh's Branch Davidians, Shoko Asahara's Aum Shinrikyo, or Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church. Here the term 'cult' refers to a movement that claims to be a religion - and which may indeed have all the trappings of a religion - but which in reality is harmful to its followers and/or to others. Example 2 ...while Mormons profess to be Christians, they are outside orthodox Christianity and the Mormon Church is considered to be, theologically, a cult of Christianity. Source: Mormon Church, Apologetics Index entry Back To Top Here the term 'cult' is used to indicate that the group in question has separated itself from the mainstream religion it claims to represent. (In this case, given that the theology and practice of the Mormon Church violates essential Christian doctrines, Mormonism does not represent historical, Biblical Christianity, is not a Christian denomination, and is not in any way part of the Christian church.) * Neutral sense: We have chosen to use the concepts cults and sects in the title of this volume for two reasons. First, the concepts do have more or less precise meanings as employed by social scientists. Second, it has become abundantly clear that after nearly two decades, the concept new religious movements has virtually no recognition either in the mass media or the general public. By calling attention to the concepts as they are used by social scientists, we hope to begin the long process of educating the mass media and public regarding the non-pejorative meaning of these words.
[FairfieldLife] Dylan on PBS
Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's documentary on Dylan last night? It was brilliant, absolutely riveting. Some clips of Dylan performing I had never seen before. Such driving intensity and authenticity. It made me realize in quite a new way just how brilliant the guy was. I had completely forgotten A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I used to listen to on my little record player over and over and over in, what, 1965 or 1966. Hearing it again after all these years was a revelation, and Allen Ginsberg made some excellent points about the poetic quality of the lyrics. I hadn't heard Desolation Row either for about 40 years. It brought back things I had forgotten about my own adolescence. Amazing what a song can do. Part two is next week, I think. Don't miss it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. Sure sounds like it given how you've complained about it. Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? No one needs to be the judge, both the 'His Excelencies' know what they're doing. What part of 'spontaneous right action in accord with all the laws of nature' is unclear. I give up - I guess it's just part of the 'we've been screwed' package. When did you say the pundits were arriving again? They're staying at King Tony's house? No kidding! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's documentary on Dylan last night? It was brilliant, absolutely riveting. Some clips of Dylan performing I had never seen before. Such driving intensity and authenticity. It made me realize in quite a new way just how brilliant the guy was. I had completely forgotten A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I used to listen to on my little record player over and over and over in, what, 1965 or 1966. Hearing it again after all these years was a revelation, and Allen Ginsberg made some excellent points about the poetic quality of the lyrics. I hadn't heard Desolation Row either for about 40 years. It brought back things I had forgotten about my own adolescence. Amazing what a song can do. Part two is next week, I think. Don't miss it. Watch out! It may be tonight. It is for us in the UK. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dylan on PBS, pt. 2 tonight, Tuesday
not next week. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's documentary on Dylan last night? It was brilliant, absolutely riveting. Some clips of Dylan performing I had never seen before. Such driving intensity and authenticity. It made me realize in quite a new way just how brilliant the guy was. I had completely forgotten A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I used to listen to on my little record player over and over and over in, what, 1965 or 1966. Hearing it again after all these years was a revelation, and Allen Ginsberg made some excellent points about the poetic quality of the lyrics. I hadn't heard Desolation Row either for about 40 years. It brought back things I had forgotten about my own adolescence. Amazing what a song can do. Part two is next week, I think. Don't miss it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
What's amusing is the idea that the citation of a particular person's thoughts is always a manifestation of the authority thing, as if it could only be an attempt to trump other thoughts. The real amusement is that you are saying this. I recall you to be one of the core quoting parrots of A.M.T. What a hoot... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: Well, that could be the last experience you need to have to wake up, no? Depends on what you mean by wake up. In general one gains the View, the living, breathing experience and certainty as to what the state of Unity *is*. Doubt falls away and one gains confidence of the View. But really it is just a new beginning, preceding towards total enlightenment. One must continue in the View. Especially when Barbara Walters is on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's amusing is the idea that the citation of a particular person's thoughts is always a manifestation of the authority thing, as if it could only be an attempt to trump other thoughts. The real amusement is that you are saying this. I recall you to be one of the core quoting parrots of A.M.T. What a hoot... What you appear to have missed is that when I quote or cite somebody, I usually do it in the context of, This is what so-and-so says, not Because so-and-so says this, therefore it is true. Barry consistently gets these two mixed up as well, just as he did with regard to my citation of Nagarjuna. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] News from the Brits
Latest: British Governors now can't go abroad to teach, but can build vastu homes where they like in the UK (subject to the usual restrictions of water location, slope, sunrise delay, pollutants and graveyards). They are also being advised to go and get jobs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like saying that a dog is a small carnivorous animal with fur and a tail that is usually kept as a pet, then looking at a cat, finding that it is also a small carnivorous animal with fur and a tail that is usually kept as a pet, and claiming it is therefore a dog. But they ARE ONE! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
on 9/27/05 8:30 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If J and B are coercing students to have sex, why are the students not reporting it? A comprehensive reporting and review system is in place. And, like most such systems, it is a joke if the people involved know that they are jeapardizing their career or, in this instance, their spiritual liberation, by using it. The Army has such a system, too, but estimates that less than 10% of the abuses are ever reported because it is a given that any woman who reports abuse has ended her career in the military. Same thing in the TM movement. Can you *imagine* how the reportee would be treated? I am aware of abuses in the Armed Forces system. Particularly the Air Force academy at Colorado Springs. But a lot of these abuses involve actual rape. Per your parallel, are you suggesting that J and B are engaged such in raping coeds? I know of two incidents, one for each of them, where force bordering on rape was used, but they didn't go through with it. B's gal left the movement; J's is still his friend. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to and the mov't is still nowhere close to saving their world as promised. I occasionally check into other guru-chatgroups where this has already happened and it's enlightening. The yogananda TBs are still struggling with why their mov't isn't the dominant religion of the New Age as promised and coming up with bizarre rationalizations to explain away continual reports of corruption within the org. by the Mothers who now in charge. That's interesting - they're still clinging after all this time... I spent a few hours about a year ago looking through many of the TM websites in India (at least the ones in English). What struck me the most was how many of them were mixed in with for-profit business ventures: vertical software for schools, accounting etc. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from the Brits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latest: British Governors now can't go abroad to teach, but can build vastu homes where they like in the UK (subject to the usual restrictions of water location, slope, sunrise delay, pollutants and graveyards). They are also being advised to go and get jobs. Priceless. Even the recertified ones? The new 'untouchables'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of two incidents, one for each of them, where force bordering on rape was used, but they didn't go through with it. So No means No finally sunk in. A bit later than optimal, but thankfully early enough to prevent rape. B's gal left the movement. For this reason only? No other factors drove her decision to leave the TMO? Correlation is not causation. I imagine that of all the woman Bevan has had, some good percentage have left the movement (given that so many people have.) I imagine that these bevan's women left for many reasons. The common litany of reasons is listed here often. J's is still his friend. So john pinned her to the floor, she said no, john let her go, and they are still friends. I would suspect that 30+% of university women have had that experience. Though not optimal behavior, its not exactly a reportable offense. Again, if real abuse is taking place, why not create an Amma support group that women Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of two incidents, one for each of them, where force bordering on rape was used, but they didn't go through with it. So No means No finally sunk in. A bit later than optimal, but thankfully early enough to prevent rape. B's gal left the movement. For this reason only? No other factors drove her decision to leave the TMO? Correlation is not causation. I imagine that of all the woman Bevan has had, some good percentage have left the movement (given that so many people have.) I imagine that these bevan's women left for many reasons. The common litany of reasons is listed here often. J's is still his friend. So john pinned her to the floor, she said no, john let her go, and they are still friends. I would suspect that 30+% of university women have had that experience. Though not optimal behavior, its not exactly a reportable offense. Again, if real abuse is taking place, why not create an Amma support group that authentically abused MUM women can call? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Thinking about that thought, paraphrasing, I just don't want to be oveshadowed gets funnier and funnier the more it is contemplated and considered. Its like a perfect jeweled Russian egg, that cracks perfectly in four places to reveal itself. Might I suggest you're wildly overinterpreting it? (Like Rory.) You are truly free to suggest. May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Tony will be supported as king as long as the west meets specific profit targets. Like any CEO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY The TMO has run its course. It was a gift for those of us in the 1970's and 80's. It has now devolved into a parody of its former self and will be gone after MMY's death. All the money will be sucked back into India. All loans will go into default and properties will be siezed including MUM. Everything will be transcended! Not a thing will be left. It'll be a cloudless sunny day Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. Who said kite? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] News from the Brits
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latest: British Governors now can't go abroad to teach, but can build vastu homes where they like in the UK (subject to the usual restrictions of water location, slope, sunrise delay, pollutants and graveyards). They are also being advised to go and get jobs. Do they think they're in a cult or something? Why the f*ck don't they do what they want to do without waiting for advice to do it? How can they walk and chew gum facing east at the same time? What a bunch of weak-minded people! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***snip*** Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY The TMO has run its course. It was a gift for those of us in the 1970's and 80's. It has now devolved into a parody of its former self and will be gone after MMY's death. All the money will be sucked back into India. All loans will go into default and properties will be siezed including MUM. Everything will be transcended! Not a thing will be left. It'll be a cloudless sunny day You may be right and maybe it's for the best. It's less than a fatwa away. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? Perhaps. But not nearly as well as getting the joke, not as well as laughter articulates it. Independent of your use of the phrase, just consider and contemplate for 5-10 minutes the phrase I just don't want to be overshadowed. Without looking for it, see if within that time period, you have a background/foreground optical illusion type moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Tony will be supported as king as long as the west meets specific profit targets. Like any CEO. Big Ironic Smile ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha
Title: Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha When people behave rightly, a corresponding atmosphere is naturally produced, and when such an influence is dominant, the individual's tendencies are affected by it. If in such an atmosphere of grace and glory and individual is tempted to follow a wrong path, he is protected by the unseen influence of righteousness, which surrounds him [so that the wrong path isn't followed]. Similarly when a man fails in his efforts, the unseen working of nature is behind that failure. No amount of intellectual analysis can reveal to him why the failure occurs. He must rise to another level and realize the working of nature and the power behind it. He must rise to understand the laws of nature and the cosmic law, which underlies all of them. No amount of intellectual clarity can provide anyone with insight into the complex working of diverse nature. --- Maharishi If you are open with a person, he will be open with you. If you want love from someone, give your love to him. If you want kind and sympathetic behavior from someone, be kind and sympathetic to him. If you want comfort form him, prove yourself comforting. If you want admiration from others, do something to show your admiration for them. If you are sincere in giving, you receive many times over in return. --- Maharishi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Akasha108 writes: Thinking about that thought, paraphrasing, I just don't want to be oveshadowed gets funnier and funnier the more it is contemplated and considered. Its like a perfect jeweled Russian egg, that cracks perfectly in four places to reveal itself. Though I suspect this may be a huh moment for some. Tom T: YES YES You got it. HA ha ha ha What ever it takes You will have every experience/understanding you need to have! Tom PS watch out! the next step is appreciating this all on many and all levels. The appreciation is first known as laughter and then deepens into the understanding that finishes the job. That is where the phrase from Patajali finest discriminative knowledge comes from see chapter 3 vs's 52 to 55 Shearer translation. Have some more fun. Laughter is good. Yes? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people behave rightly, a corresponding atmosphere is naturally produced, and when such an influence is dominant, the individual's tendencies are affected by it. If in such an atmosphere of grace and glory and individual is tempted to follow a wrong path, he is protected by the unseen influence of righteousness, which surrounds him [so that the wrong path isn't followed]. Similarly when a man fails in his efforts, the unseen working of nature is behind that failure. No amount of intellectual analysis can reveal to him why the failure occurs. So perhaps J and B's raunchy adventures are simply driven by an impure influence in the environment caused by impure thoughts and actions. I think it all may stem from the day that Purusha Peter saw those 6 naked sunbathing breasts on campus and decided Purusha was not for him. Just a theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? Perhaps. But not nearly as well as getting the joke, not as well as laughter articulates it. Independent of your use of the phrase, just consider and contemplate for 5-10 minutes the phrase I just don't want to be overshadowed. Without looking for it, see if within that time period, you have a background/foreground optical illusion type moment. If that isn't the infinite-regress aspect I suggested, I suspect I'd have to not be overshadowed to get it, at least without more clues. When it's in words, without looking for it is inoperative for me, like Don't think of an elephant. My intellect can *sometimes* translate a linear expression into something mu-like, though, or at least get me close enough to the mu-level that I can make the leap. It happens just often enough that I'm inclined to press for intellectual clues when there's a mu-thing I'm not getting on its own level. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. What's wrong with this picture? is a good clue, but it isn't quite enough. Don't want to spoil it for you, though, so... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] CNN says Indian businesses turn spiritual...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow realization -- denying the validity (perfection, is-ness, ever-presence, whatever) of your fundamental criterion for ignorance -- trying *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance. In denying ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if) stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely ideas *in us* :-) I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Being realized isn't like anything -- other than (say, in that moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Foreground/ Background Mu Jokes
Judy: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. Akasha: No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. Judy: What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? Akasha: Perhaps. But not nearly as well as getting the joke, not as well as laughter articulates it. Independent of your use of the phrase, just consider and contemplate for 5-10 minutes the phrase I just don't want to be overshadowed. Without looking for it, see if within that time period, you have a background/foreground optical illusion type moment. Judy: If that isn't the infinite-regress aspect I suggested, I suspect I'd have to not be overshadowed to get it, at least without more clues. A: Its not an intellectual exercise. No clues are needed. They may actually spoil it. Maybe not. Its like foreground/background paradoxes illustrated by various figures. Look at this linked one. Though the caption explains it, unnecessarily so IMO, one can understand it intellectually. Oh, I know, I have seen these, the figure changes when you stare at it. I get it. No, no no. You don't GET it until you see the picture change. Look at the linked figure until you see it switch. Its, for me, always a big holy cow dung! experience, no matter how often I have done it. http://www.neurosemantics.com/Stuttering/foreground-background.htm J: When it's in words, without looking for it is inoperative for me, like Don't think of an elephant. A: Yes, I knew I was digging a pit in sand with that one. But the idea is like TM, just approach it innocently. J: My intellect can *sometimes* translate a linear expression into something mu-like, though, or at least get me close enough to the mu-level that I can make the leap. It happens just often enough that I'm inclined to press for intellectual clues when there's a mu-thing I'm not getting on its own level. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. A: But like the foreground / background thing, its not an intellectual thing. Its not like seeing the trick needed to solve a geometry proof or something. J: What's wrong with this picture? is a good clue, but it isn't quite enough. A: It IS a good clue. hahha. And may be more than enough. But I suspect that you are simply taking 5-10 minutes to explain why you its not worth your time to actually do the 5-10 minute exercise that I suggested. (The I just don't want to be overshadowed one. Though you should stare at the foreground / background (F/B) one too until you see it switch. (no cheating by saying, oh i have done that, i already get it. Just DO IT. Now. :) Getting to laughter with the phrase, above, is sort of a foreground /background thing. You say, I suspect I'd have to not be overshadowed to get it, may be a bit true. But I think thats another dimension of this exercise. In a parallel way to the F/B figure, Pure Consciousness is always in the background, always has been. Its an ah ha experience when it magically swithches to the foreground. Just like the F/B figure experience, its not an intellectual understanding, its a holy cow dung experience. Or not. Maybe its just a simply, mundane oh that thing recognition. I could try to explain the joke. I could articulate it. It would make a fine essay, given it has several levels. But, one, I am quite sure that is not necessary in order to laugh. And, two, it may fool you into thinking you get it, when you only intellectually get it, like understanding the F/B figure has both a girl and an old woman in it, without SEEING it. You might read the explanation and go Oh, I already know that. I learned that years ago. Is that ALL you were saying? Big deal. Lets move on. But if you get it you will do more, you will laugh. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was A scolding - Now Succession
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Of course the rajs have their own money, that's how they got to be rajs, and I hear stories that some of them, esp raj dean who has some real world experience, operate fairly independently from tmo central. But I agree most of them will fade away about as quick as their enlightened mall project. King Tony as an influential spiritual leader strikes me as funny, though I do hear TBs talk about him in somewhat reverential tones. A gold-crowned lebanese scientist leading a new-agey vedic sect financed primarily by jews?? Wonder if there's enuf energy left for any sort of peasant revolt against the aristocracy in the post-MMY scramble? I would have been more off with their heads 10 yrs ago, but now I just want to watch from a distance what happens. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/05 9:38 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The koan that does the job. You will have every experience you need to have till you finally wake up a quote from a friend. I wouldn't consider that a koan. Also it says, in effect, the awakened state (brahmavidya or rigpa) is conditioned by relative conditions--a gradual path, not a sudden path. Awakening can happening at any moment, esp. if one is being given a pointing out instruction through direct introduction. Well, that could be the last experience you need to have to wake up, no? Depends on what you mean by wake up. Actually I meant whatever Tom had in mind. In general one gains the View, the living, breathing experience and certainty as to what the state of Unity *is*. Doubt falls away and one gains confidence of the View. But really it is just a new beginning, preceding towards total enlightenment. One must continue in the View. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Foreground/ Background Mu Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: snip My intellect can *sometimes* translate a linear expression into something mu-like, though, or at least get me close enough to the mu-level that I can make the leap. It happens just often enough that I'm inclined to press for intellectual clues when there's a mu-thing I'm not getting on its own level. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. A: But like the foreground / background thing, its not an intellectual thing. Right. Read what I wrote above again, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people behave rightly, a corresponding atmosphere is naturally produced, and when such an influence is dominant, the individual's tendencies are affected by it. If in such an atmosphere of grace and glory and individual is tempted to follow a wrong path, he is protected by the unseen influence of righteousness, which surrounds him [so that the wrong path isn't followed]. Similarly when a man fails in his efforts, the unseen working of nature is behind that failure. No amount of intellectual analysis can reveal to him why the failure occurs. So perhaps J and B's raunchy adventures are simply driven by an impure influence in the environment caused by impure thoughts and actions. I think it all may stem from the day that Purusha Peter saw those 6 naked sunbathing breasts on campus and decided Purusha was not for him. Just a theory. And Peter: Don't take this the wrong way - I'm speaking indirectly... My children and grandchildren thankyou for it. ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coeds in Tears
Contorversial? I thought that's the policy most colleges had. Sal On Sep 26, 2005, at 8:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote: At the University of California, Berkeley, a new controversial policy forbids romantic or sexual relationships between professors and their students. The policy took effect this past July on nine University of California campuses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Could well be. All depends on what's going on behind the scenes, including, as I suggested, how deep the *spiritual* loyalty is of the folks who have control of the purse strings. As to King Tony, it's not impossible--though probably unlikely--that his current restriction to the ceremonial role is only a function of MMY still being around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was A scolding - Now Succession
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Of course the rajs have their own money, that's how they got to be rajs, and I hear stories that some of them, esp raj dean who has some real world experience, operate fairly independently from tmo central. But I agree most of them will fade away about as quick as their enlightened mall project. King Tony as an influential spiritual leader strikes me as funny, though I do hear TBs talk about him in somewhat reverential tones. A gold-crowned lebanese scientist leading a new-agey vedic sect financed primarily by jews?? Wonder if there's enuf energy left for any sort of peasant revolt against the aristocracy in the post-MMY scramble? I would have been more off with their heads 10 yrs ago, but now I just want to watch from a distance what happens. SSRS pulled off a revolt. Maybe one can happen in the West too, sans guru figure. So the knowlege doesn't die here. There are many with the right training, and at least a few with appropriate temperment. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha
But if they're facing east while they're doing it then it's all okay. Sal On Sep 27, 2005, at 10:35 AM, akasha_108 wrote: So perhaps J and B's raunchy adventures are simply driven by an impure influence in the environment caused by impure thoughts and actions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/ On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:34 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: > You *could* ask whether these other groups > are also cults. For example, anyone who has > ever worked for Microsoft would probably say > that it is definitely one. ...or Amway...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
Agreed. But the modern, perverted meaning we throw around today is in part what makes it so interesting, since those who do belong to religious groups that fit the cult definition would often be horrified to think they are part of one. And yet the group as well as the group's behavior oftentimes almost perfectly fits into the list of cult characteristics somebody posted here. Anyway, here is the dictionary def. 3, 4 and 5 seem to define most mainstream religions today. 1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. b. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. b. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest. ETYMOLOGY: Latin cultus, worship, from past participle of colere, to cultivate. See in Appendix I. On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering what exactly separates a cult from a regular religion > to begin with. The main difference that I can see in most cases is > simply higher numbers. Beyond that, aren't they all somewhat > cult-like? In my opinion, yes, most of them are. If you look up the actual definition of 'cult' in the dictionary, you'll find that it has little to do with the modern, perverted meaning of the word we throw around today. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪  Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web.  ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
That's a good definition, Sal, very complete, better than the Merriam-Webster one. What dictionary is it from, if I may ask? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. But the modern, perverted meaning we throw around today is in part what makes it so interesting, since those who do belong to religious groups that fit the cult definition would often be horrified to think they are part of one. And yet the group as well as the group's behavior oftentimes almost perfectly fits into the list of cult characteristics somebody posted here. Anyway, here is the dictionary def. 3, 4 and 5 seem to define most mainstream religions today. 1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. b. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. b. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest. ETYMOLOGY: Latin cultus, worship, from past participle of colere, to cultivate. See kwel-1 in Appendix I. On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what exactly separates a cult from a regular religion to begin with. The main difference that I can see in most cases is simply higher numbers. Beyond that, aren't they all somewhat cult-like? In my opinion, yes, most of them are. If you look up the actual definition of 'cult' in the dictionary, you'll find that it has little to do with the modern, perverted meaning of the word we throw around today. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪  Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web.  ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. But the modern, perverted meaning we throw around today is in part what makes it so interesting, since those who do belong to religious groups that fit the cult definition would often be horrified to think they are part of one. And yet the group as well as the group's behavior oftentimes almost perfectly fits into the list of cult characteristics somebody posted here. Just to reiterate: For this fitting into method to be valid, the characteristics on the list need to be *unique* to the kind of group you want to identify as a cult. As well, they need to be characteristics that are destructive *in and of themselves*. In some cases a characteristic may or may not be destructive, depending on other factors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/ On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:34 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: You *could* ask whether these other groups are also cults. For example, anyone who has ever worked for Microsoft would probably say that it is definitely one. ...or Amway... I began to have some doubts about the TMO in the mid to late 70's when a bright, educated, sucessful, lawyer, initiator friend of mine said, yeah you ought to look into Amway. Its the 'TM' of business. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha: I rather look directly into the projector from 3 away. Rory: That explains a lot :-) When you are the screen, you can drink life from a firehose. Akasha Sutras VI:23:07 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What defines a cult?
American Heritage. http://www.bartleby.com/61/ On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:37 PM, authfriend wrote: That's a good definition, Sal, very complete, better than the Merriam-Webster one. What dictionary is it from, if I may ask?
Re: [FairfieldLife] News from the Brits
They are also being advised to go and get jobs. They should have done that 25 years ago. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latest: British Governors now can't go abroad to teach, but can build vastu homes where they like in the UK (subject to the usual restrictions of water location, slope, sunrise delay, pollutants and graveyards). They are also being advised to go and get jobs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
On 9/27/05 2:15 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. It's called retirement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference Judy writes; You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. Tom T: Actually I have not forgotten but I can no longer ignore what is really going on. That is why we call it ignorance. I am not try be cute. Just stating what seems to be self evident. Everything feels the same except for that surety of being. Or as Vaj puts it the POV or view. The POV has shifted and every thing is the same and nothing is the same. Damndest thing. I feel just as I did before except for that surety of being. It will have you also otherwise we wouldn't be having this exchange and you wouldn't be hanging out here. Let it find you and see what happens. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation
Note: forwarded message attached. The Ann Arbor News Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation Monday, September 26, 2005 BY JENN MCKEE News Arts Writer http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/aanews/index.ssf?/base/features-0/1127745609242440.xmlcoll=2 If you arrived on time to see filmmaker David Lynch talk about transcendental meditation last night at the Power Center, you were already too late. The venue was packed to capacity. Harried Power Center employees with walkie-talkies loudly stated, again and again, that there were no available seats anywhere in the building, but dozens of people nonetheless lingered at both ground floor entrances, hoping a spot would miraculously open up. (Despite early reports that equipment had not been set up to provide video feed of the talk, those who stayed did eventually get to hear and see most of Lynch's presentation by way of television monitors in the lobby.) The evening's program began with opening remarks from Ed Sarath, a University of Michigan jazz professor and the director and founder of U-M's Program in Creativity and Consciousness Studies (which sponsored Lynch's appearance, along with U-M Integrative Medicine, the Center for Urban Innovation, and the Program in Film and Video Studies). Next, Teresa Adams, administrative assistant for PCCS, provided an introduction for Lynch, listing his achievements in film as well as his broad range of artistic interests (sculpting, painting, photography, etc.). Adams then announced that Lynch would take questions immediately, so audience members moved to line up behind two microphones. As they made their way, Lynch - dressed in a suit, with his thick, gray hair neatly swept back - stepped to the podium and explained that he had started out his career as a painter; the idea of a moving painting was what started him in the direction of animation and, ultimately, film. The first person at the microphone wanted to give Lynch his resume. Lynch said, Are you a transcendental meditator?'' to which the questioner quipped, I will be, if you take a look at this. ''Throughout the evening, Lynch nearly always steered his answers back to the topic of TM - a form of meditation that aims to bring the body into a deep state of rest while the mind becomes calm yet alert - but he also offered occasional nuggets of humorous advice, such as: Always write your ideas down, because if you don't and you forget them, you'll feel like committing suicide.'' One audience member asked about the role of music in Lynch's films. Every element in a film is important,'' said Lynch. The trick is to get each element to blend with the whole.'' Another attendee wanted to know when the second season of Twin Peaks'' would be released, but Lynch couldn't provide an answer. In response to a question about whether or not he would take on science fiction again (Lynch directed Dune''), Lynch said, A lot of films deal with consciousness and different dimensions and all kinds of stuff. But I like real things - not to fiddle around with fiction, but to find the truth of a thing.'' Soon, Lynch introduced Dr. John Hagelin, a physicist (featured in the documentary, What the Bleep Do We Know?'') who discussed how he believed TM had the capacity to cause positive worldwide political, social, and intellectual shifts. We could see a more fundamental unity of man - though it's not happening very fast with this current administration,'' Hagelin said, drawing applause. Hagelin spoke about the many advantages of TM for young people, particularly in regard to learning. To follow up, Fred Travis, of the Maharishi University of Management, made a presentation that included watching the brain activity of an audience volunteer. (The demonstration showed how the brain activity of an active mind differed from that of a mind at rest.) Lynch then returned to the podium to take a few final questions. One attendee expressed a religion-based skepticism of TM. I was raised Christian,'' replied Lynch. I love Jesus, and people from all religions practice transcendental meditation. ... I believe all the great religions are rivers running to one ocean. ... There's no conflict.'' Lynch later expressed his own initial resistance to the idea of meditation. I thought meditation was a waste of time,'' said Lynch. I didn't know what in the heck they were doing. But then I saw the faces of yogis sitting in a forest, meditating, and they didn't look homeless. They knew something I didn't know. They had a dignity.'' The filmmaker also explained his reasons for recently founding the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, which primarily supports young people who want to pursue TM. Real peace is not just the absence of war - real peace is the absence of negativity,'' he said. Even if it doesn't work, it ought to be tried.'' Lynch said he was currently raising money for his foundation, and that if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference Judy writes; You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. Tom T: Actually I have not forgotten but I can no longer ignore what is really going on. That is why we call it ignorance. I am not try be cute. I'm sure you're not, but you are incorrect; to be ignorant does *not* mean to ignore, it means to lack knowledge--in this case, of what is really going on. Just stating what seems to be self evident. I don't have any quarrel with your stating what is self-evident *to you*, only that it is somehow self-evident *to me* and I'm just willfully ignoring it or denying it. Everything feels the same except for that surety of being. And it's that EXCEPT FOR that's the key, Tom. What you've forgotten is what it's like to be *without* that surety of being. Now that you have it, there's no way you could remember what it's like to be without it, any more than I am able to know, now, what it's like to *have* it. Or as Vaj puts it the POV or view. The POV has shifted and every thing is the same and nothing is the same. Damndest thing. It *is* the damndest thing. It's as if realization isn't backwards-compatible. I feel just as I did before except for that surety of being. It will have you also otherwise we wouldn't be having this exchange and you wouldn't be hanging out here. Let it find you and see what happens. I'm right here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ann Arbor News Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental meditation Monday, September 26, 2005 snip Another attendee wanted to know when the second season of Twin Peaks'' would be released, but Lynch couldn't provide an answer. Huh? Referring to the DVD, perhaps? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be ignorant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Kashmir saga
The Kashmir saga by Bhashyam Kasturi The Instrument of Accession now available on the Home Ministry's website gives us a glimpse of the original document THE UNION Ministry of Home Affairs has done a great service to the nation and to the world by making available on its website the entire original text of the Instrument of Accession signed by Maharaja Hari Singh of Jammu and Kashmir on October 26, 1947. This document, long thought to be lost, has generated considerable controversy among historians and others alike. The Instrument of Accession now available on the MHA website gives us a glimpse of the original document as it was signed by the other 550 odd princely states of British India and lets us see Hari Singh's signature. It is not as though the actual document was not available with the government of India. Since 1947, it has been with the government and later it was transferred to the National Archives where it rests in a file with other documents relating to Jammu and Kashmir's accession. Alastair Lamb's claim It is sad that it took the Centre so long to put out this document on public display, for scholars like Alastair Lamb had already done the damage by claiming that the document did not exist and even if it did, Hari Singh may have never signed it. More damaging for India, Lamb claimed that even if Hari Singh did sign any such document, it was done after the first landing of Indian troops at Srinagar on October 27, 1947. The document that Hari Singh signed makes it clear that he offered accession on October 26, 1947 and that it was accepted by the then Governor General of India, Louis Mountbatten, the next day. Now that the Instrument of Accession has been made available, it remains to be suggested to the MHA that it should put out all the documents available on Jammu and Kashmir on the Internet. The broad outline of how and when Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession has been clear for some time now. As Prem Shankar Jha states in his book, Hari Singh was persuaded by V.P. Menon to sign the Instrument of Accession on the night of October 25/early morning of October 26, 1947. Menon also persuaded Hari Singh to leave Srinagar for Jammu, given the threat from the tribal raiders from Pakistan, which he did at around 2 a.m. After driving almost non-stop, the Maharaja's entourage reached Jammu palace probably around lunchtime on October 26. There they waited for news from Delhi about the request for assistance. V.P. Menon did not come as his flight to Jammu was put off due to bad weather that afternoon. But he had already handed over the Instrument of Accession to Lord Mountbatten on October 26 at the meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet. The other document that is available at many sources is a letter written by Hari Singh to Mountbatten, also dated October 26, 1947. Actually, while the Maharaja had signed the Instrument of Accession, he had not agreed to bring in Sheikh Abdullah to head the emergency administration. To persuade Hari Singh to get Sheikh Abdullah in, Menon went to Jammu on October 27, soon after the first Indian troops were in, and got the Maharaja to append his signature to a letter dated October 26 and datelined "The Palace, Jammu." This letter, probably written originally on October 24-25 had to be redrafted to include at the end the paragraph about Sheikh Abdullah's inclusion in government. This Menon took back to Delhi on the October 27 and then in the evening handed both the Instrument and the Letter offering Accession to Mountbatten to Jawaharlal Nehru. Thus the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to India. And now thanks to some bright bureaucrat in the Home Ministry we are able to see the original document signed by Hari Singh. Instrument of Accession executed by Maharajah Hari Singh on October 26, 1947Whereas the Indian Independence Act, 1947, provides that as from the fifteenth day of August, 1947, there shall be set up an independent Dominion known as INDIA, and that the Government of India Act 1935, shall with such omissions, additions, adaptations and modifications as the Governor General may by order specify, be applicable to the Dominion of India. And whereas the Government of India Act, 1935, as so adapted by the Governor General, provides that an Indian State may accede to the Dominion of India by an Instrument of Accession executed by the Ruler thereof. Now, therefore, I Shriman Inder Mahinder Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbet adi Deshadhipati, Ruler of Jammu Kashmir State, in the exercise of my Sovereignty in and over my said State do hereby execute this my Instrument of Accession and 1. I hereby declare that I accede to the Dominion of India with the intent that the Governor General of India, the Dominion Legislature, the Federal Court and any other Dominion authority established for the purposes of the Dominion shall by virtue of this my
[FairfieldLife] Appalling ignorance in Britain
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Some quotes from Maharishi provided by Purusha
These quotes are either from the SBAL or the Gita commentary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people behave rightly, a corresponding atmosphere is naturally produced, and when such an influence is dominant, the individual's tendencies are affected by it. If in such an atmosphere of grace and glory and individual is tempted to follow a wrong path, he is protected by the unseen influence of righteousness, which surrounds him [so that the wrong path isn't followed]. Similarly when a man fails in his efforts, the unseen working of nature is behind that failure. No amount of intellectual analysis can reveal to him why the failure occurs. He must rise to another level and realize the working of nature and the power behind it. He must rise to understand the laws of nature and the cosmic law, which underlies all of them. No amount of intellectual clarity can provide anyone with insight into the complex working of diverse nature. --- Maharishi If you are open with a person, he will be open with you. If you want love from someone, give your love to him. If you want kind and sympathetic behavior from someone, be kind and sympathetic to him. If you want comfort form him, prove yourself comforting. If you want admiration from others, do something to show your admiration for them. If you are sincere in giving, you receive many times over in return. --- Maharishi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appalling ignorance in Britain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050927/wr_nm/media_blogging_dc Dogging sounds more interesing than some blogging. Those Brits don't seem that stupid. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] That's it exactly. Anyone who can't see the potential for causing pain just can't see. In my world view, which admittedly has been warped by my time with Rama and having been systematically trained in ways to see, *everyone* is psychic. It's just that some people pretend not to be. Therefore, in a situation where two people are in a rela- tionship which is assumed to be monogamous and one person in that relationship has sex with someone else, the cheated- on party ALWAYS knows. He or she may *claim* that they don't know, but they ALWAYS know. Therefore, to enter into such a relationship, as the third party, means that you are willing to introduce that stress and tension into two other people's relationship. Bad ju-ju, IMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T writes: No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be able to hold all that in the awake mind. akasha_108 wrote: Then it must be possible to be able to hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities. Rory wrote: Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake snip Akasha108 wrote: then why bring it up? You tell me; you're the one who brought it up; I was just agreeing with you :-) Rory wrote: -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, Akasha108 wrote: We have seen? I missed that paper, in what journal was that study published? Rory: The Journal of Irreproducible Results, vol. 1008, no. 108 IIRC. No, seriously -- we have seen here on FFL, the only journal really worth reading at this moment IMNSHO :-) Rory wrote: only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, Akasha108 wrote: How many times do I have to tell you??!! Its an Understanding, not an Experience!! :) Rory writes: *lol* Yes; visceral appreciation is part of the full-bodied flavor of Understanding; it is not an experience, something enshrined in space and time as a memory or a desire, but we might certainly say that Understanding includes Experience, the two married together as ever-present apperception a la Jean Kline :-) Rory: while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear Akasha108: appear to whom? Rory: Yes, appear to whom? Who is (t)here? Who is questioning, and who is answering? Who is writing, and who is reading? How many of Us are there, anyhow? rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident Akasha: straining is a bummer Rory: leads (or can lead) to hemorrhoids, I am told awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-now) idealized criteria. Akasha: Or maybe lots of other alternatives. (Tom doesn't like your black and white views, it appears.) No, Tom generally likes mine, because we speak the truth; we just don't like anyone else's, because if they pretend they are someone else, they are lying :-) This self-denial would thus appear Akasha: appear to whom? Rory: You tell me, Mr. A; appear to whom? Akasha: appearance as in apparition? Rory: appear as in appear? :-) always to be itself a self- referent mistake of the intellect: Akasha: God made faulty machinery? Has he issued a recall? Rory: *lol* Who says it was faulty? And who is he? attributing some imaginary (not- here-now) properties Akasha: What else is here other than the here and now? Are you imagining things again? :) Rory: Yes! :-) :-) (or shoulds) Akasha: and who is your imaginary attributor? Rory: Yes, Who? It would appear there is only one of us :-) to what is without properties Akasha: guess they won't hurt when the real estate / properties bubble burts Rory: There you go with those hemorrhoids again :-) or only truly simply and nakedly what is in this moment, here- now, Akasha: what else is there? Only one drawn to or absorbed to the other will be aware of it. Rory: What other? You are confusing me :-) and then bewailing the absence of these same imaginary properties (or the presence of other less-desired imaginary properties) here- now, and thus invoking an overlay of space-time-desire etc. Akasha: Again, only one who imagines such can be aware of such, absorbed into such. Rory: Yes, of course. Only one. And yet somehow the intellect is eventually able to see through this same not-here-now overlay and abandon it Akasha: I thought the intellect was broken. Did it get fixed? Rory: Who said it was broken? Presumably that's the same one who who could conceive of its being fixed...? :-) into what always is, has always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of (not)self itself... Akasha: Ah, you took that Simuladvaita class. Was it good? Rory: It takes one to know one; you tell me; is it good? :-) How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? Akasha: I don't know. The question never arises where duality is absent. Rory: Never? But what about All Possibilities? That was our whole point, wasn't
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Try Googling. There are at least two, possibly three generations of gay folks who don't have any idea who Judy Garland is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? You place the call the moment you dip your wick. Who ya gonna call? Karmabusters. It's a heavy-duty karmic patterning IMO, one that has reverberations far beyond what most people see. The numbers don't mean a thing; all that matters in the long run is the series of karmic patterns and samskaras that are generated from the action. I'm an old hippie. There have been periods of my life when I would have fucked mud if it smiled at me. But that was before I got hip to watching karmic patterns and how they tend to work themselves out over time. If your stats are right, IMO 40% of women and 60% of men are setting up some pretty lame future incarnations for themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
Hari Om, I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! There seems to be similarities between Maharishi and Hal Lindsey. In the 1950s, Lindsey said that the world will end in 1960. It didnt end. In the 1960s, Lindsey said that the world will end in 1970. It didnt end. In the 1970s, Lindsey said that the world will end in 1980. It didnt end. In the 1980s, Lindsey said that the world will end in 1990. It didnt end. Now he says that the world will in a couple of years time.!! The Hillarious aspect of Hal Lindsey is that, the guy genuinely believes everything he says.!!! Does Maharishi believe what he says.?? Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's documentary on Dylan last night? It was brilliant, absolutely riveting. Some clips of Dylan performing I had never seen before. Such driving intensity and authenticity. It made me realize in quite a new way just how brilliant the guy was. I had completely forgotten A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I used to listen to on my little record player over and over and over in, what, 1965 or 1966. Hearing it again after all these years was a revelation, and Allen Ginsberg made some excellent points about the poetic quality of the lyrics. I hadn't heard Desolation Row either for about 40 years. It brought back things I had forgotten about my own adolescence. Amazing what a song can do. Yes, it is. They are the soundtracks to the movies of our lives. Part two is next week, I think. Don't miss it. I have to wait until the DVD is available here in France, but I doubt it will be long. They're into Dylan here, because they are into words. But was/is arguably the most important poet of the twentieth century. The only person I can think of whose poetry possibly rocked as many people's lives (in the sense of radically shifting their states of attention) is Bob Marley. Some people don't consider them poets because they don't publish in the New Yorker. Some people can go suck eggs. There has never been another poet in the world of popular music (which, after all, affects the lives of more people than all the published real poets combined) who can hold a candle to him. The man is a meteor who refuses to flame out. He burns as brightly from time to time in his 60s as he did in his 20s. You mentioned Desolation Row. The other day, when Jason posted the article about Rolling Stone's picks for the Top Ten albums ever made, I reacted to it by diving for the two Dylan albums on the list. I finished that drive down Memory Row with Desolation Row. It's amazing, even now. At the time it released, it was nothing less than devastating. I remember listening to it the first time. It was the last cut on Highway 61 Revisited. The whole album was a revelation, every song taking me to places I had never dreamed of before, but Desolation Row! It was an epiphany, in every sense of the word. It changed my life forever. I was never the same person after hear- ing the first time. I sat there, shocked, the needle stuck in the last groove of the record, me unable to get up and put it back in its cradle. I remember thinking, I didn't know it was possible to write like that. Fortunately, I have had that same experience with many other writers in the years since, but Bob was the first person to make me feel that way. Bless him. They're selling postcards of the hanging They're painting the passports brown The beauty parlor is filled with sailors The circus is in town Here comes the blind commissioner They've got him in a trance One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker The other is in his pants And the riot squad they're restless They need somewhere to go As Lady and I look out tonight From Desolation Row Cinderella, she seems so easy It takes one to know one, she smiles And puts her hands in her back pockets Bette Davis style And in comes Romeo, he's moaning You Belong to Me I Believe And someone says, You're in the wrong place, my friend You better leave And the only sound that's left After the ambulances go Is Cinderella sweeping up On Desolation Row Now the moon is almost hidden The stars are beginning to hide The fortunetelling lady Has even taken all her things inside All except for Cain and Abel And the hunchback of Notre Dame Everybody is making love Or else expecting rain And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing He's getting ready for the show He's going to the carnival tonight On Desolation Row Now Ophelia, she's 'neath the window For her I feel so afraid On her twenty-second birthday She already is an old maid To her, death is quite romantic She wears an iron vest Her profession's her religion Her sin is her lifelessness And though her eyes are fixed upon Noah's great rainbow She spends her time peeking Into Desolation Row Einstein, disguised as Robin Hood With his memories in a trunk Passed this way an hour ago With his friend, a jealous monk He looked so immaculately frightful As he bummed a cigarette Then he went off sniffing drainpipes And reciting the alphabet Now you would not think to look at him But he was famous long ago For playing the electric violin On Desolation Row Dr. Filth, he keeps his world Inside of a leather cup But all his sexless patients They're trying to blow it up Now his nurse, some local loser She's in charge of the cyanide hole And she also keeps the cards that read Have Mercy on His Soul They all play on penny whistles You can hear them blow If you lean your head out far enough From Desolation Row Across the street they've nailed the curtains They're
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. I am affronted. And abacked. If it's anti- anything, it's anti-cajun or Jamaican. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let's say we don't get attached. Let's say we've never *been* attached. Let's say human beans have always been realized. How far back would that apply, do you think, given that human beans--Homo sapiens--didn't emerge full- blown from the head of Zeus but evolved gradually from earlier humanoid species? Judy: Don't you believe in creative design? Huh? Creationism...you know, Adam, Eve, the Snake, the whole damn thing... Uh, no, I don't believe in creationism. You mean you don't believe that all of creation came out of the belly of Brahma who came out of a lotus leaf? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. And if you did that, you wouldn't be saying all this silly stuff about being ignorant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/05 2:15 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. It's called retirement. I thought that's what you did with replicants. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? I'd love to hear akasha's answer, but mine would be, It's a marvelous way of clinging to the notion of unenlightenment. To want to not be overshadowed, you have to believe you are. And the funny thing is, the moment you drop that belief, you aren't. Yeah, that answer would be bull. And yours would be more clinging. You don't want to be enlightened. You want to understand enlightenment. Not gonna happen. :-) Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. But I lie. Don't you remember? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yes! it must be enlightenment - I-I understand all [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Amazing Yup. But at the same time, it's not the kinda conversation you necessarily want to add your name to in the list of credits. :-) Its that just some are not attached to not looking silly. :) And I find logical conversations with Rory to be pretty useless. But he can be fun to play with. Sometimes. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Tom T: no difference You've forgotten what it's like to be in ignorance. And if you did that, you wouldn't be saying all this silly stuff about being ignorant. (Silly to whom? To you? Now, *that's* silly.) Forgetting isn't something one can do intentionally, so it's an inappropriate term. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? I'd love to hear akasha's answer, but mine would be, It's a marvelous way of clinging to the notion of unenlightenment. To want to not be overshadowed, you have to believe you are. And the funny thing is, the moment you drop that belief, you aren't. Yeah, that answer would be bull. And yours would be more clinging. It would be authentic. You don't want to be enlightened. You want to understand enlightenment. Um, no. Just don't want to be overshadowed, as I said. Not gonna happen. :-) Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. But I lie. Don't you remember? :-) Yup. You said I had lied when I said you tried to give the impression you were enlightened. Funny how you're always complaining about the ethics of the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] But was/is arguably the most important poet of the twentieth century. The only person I can think of whose poetry possibly rocked as many people's lives (in the sense of radically shifting their states of attention) is Bob Marley. Some people don't consider them poets because they don't publish in the New Yorker. Some people can go suck eggs. There has never been another poet in the world of popular music (which, after all, affects the lives of more people than all the published real poets combined) who can hold a candle to him. The man is a meteor who refuses to flame out. He burns as brightly from time to time in his 60s as he did in his 20s. You mentioned Desolation Row. The other day, when Jason posted the article about Rolling Stone's picks for the Top Ten albums ever made, I reacted to it by diving for the two Dylan albums on the list. I finished that drive down Memory Row with Desolation Row. It's amazing, even now. At the time it released, it was nothing less than devastating. I remember listening to it the first time. It was the last cut on Highway 61 Revisited. The whole album was a revelation, every song taking me to places I had never dreamed of before, but Desolation Row! It was an epiphany, in every sense of the word. It changed my life forever. I was never the same person after hear- ing the first time. I sat there, shocked, the needle stuck in the last groove of the record, me unable to get up and put it back in its cradle. I remember thinking, I didn't know it was possible to write like that. Fortunately, I have had that same experience with many other writers in the years since, but Bob was the first person to make me feel that way. Bless him. They're selling postcards of the hanging They're painting the passports brown The beauty parlor is filled with sailors The circus is in town Here comes the blind commissioner They've got him in a trance One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker The other is in his pants And the riot squad they're restless They need somewhere to go As Lady and I look out tonight From Desolation Row I like the neil young version at Bob-Fest. I agree with most of what you say, and my life mirrors yours in many respects -- though I was in high school when highway 61 blaseted onto the scene, and in jr high when the earlier acoustic albums hit (and they were revolutionary too). And Blonde on Blonde ..whew .. So many great albums. And some of his mid stuff -- like the album with Emmy-Lou Harris -- is incredibly moving. oh sister, sister ... And I download dylan lyrics on occaision and revel in them -- as you do. But I always hear them with the music. But today, I read them as words, as poetry, sans music. And you know what? As a pure, words only poet, Dylan is a bit sophmoric and trite, IMO. Even Dylan hates a lot of his earlier stuff. (though I still love it, just not as isolated words -- cast as great poetry.) Its the combo of music and his words that are transcendent -- as in facilitating transcendence from fixed current views. As pure poets I will still take Pablo Neruda (even in english translation he rocks, which is amazing) and TS Elliot. I know: Ezra Pound and TS Elliot, fighting in the captain's tower. While calypso singers laugh at them. And fishermen hold flowers. But, ol' TS: April is the cruelest month Breeding lilacs out of the dead land, Mixing memory and desire, stirring Dull roots with spring rain. He captures the whole cycle of samskara in four lovely lines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. But I lie. Don't you remember? :-) Yup. You said I had lied when I said you tried to give the impression you were enlightened. Judy, you haven't been paying attention to the posts here. If you had, you would have noticed that I got over the not enlightened thing some time ago, as a result of conver- sations here and the realizations they triggered. You could, too, if you weren't such a tightass. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yes! it must be enlightenment - I-I understand all [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Amazing Yup. But at the same time, it's not the kinda conversation you necessarily want to add your name to in the list of credits. :-) Its that just some are not attached to not looking silly. :) Which is pretty darned silly in itself. :-) And I find logical conversations with Rory to be pretty useless. But he can be fun to play with. Sometimes. :) Absolutely. Truth is, I was in an all-day meeting and missed out on joining in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest, that while you brought up the phrase in your post, that the phrase can also transcend your own particular situation. And in a more universal application of the phrase, (as I intended it, though perhaps not clearly expressed) it is funny to me. No interpretation involved. Its an authentic reaction to the phrase. OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. No, thats not quite the angle that struck me as so funny. The deliciousness of the phrase is more a mu experience, a la whats wrong with this picture. What's wrong with the picture of somebody not wanting to be overshadowed? You've got me curious--can you articulate it? I'd love to hear akasha's answer, but mine would be, It's a marvelous way of clinging to the notion of unenlightenment. To want to not be overshadowed, you have to believe you are. And the funny thing is, the moment you drop that belief, you aren't. Yeah, that answer would be bull. And yours would be more clinging. You don't want to be enlightened. You want to understand enlightenment. Not gonna happen. :-) Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. But I lie. Don't you remember? :-) Don't take this all so seriously, Judy. I don't know about these other guys, but I'm just majorly amused tonight at you pretending not to be enlightened, and striving so hard to keep up the pretense. I think it was Akasha who suggested something for you to actually *do* to experience enlightenment. You blew it off. You will never actually try it. And a few weeks from now you'll be back complaining that you're still in ignorance. If that's not funny, what is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially from somebody who admits he isn't enlightened. But I lie. Don't you remember? :-) Yup. You said I had lied when I said you tried to give the impression you were enlightened. Judy, you haven't been paying attention to the posts here. If you had, you would have noticed that I got over the not enlightened thing some time ago, as a result of conver- sations here and the realizations they triggered. So you were lying when you said *I* was lying. I see. You could, too, if you weren't such a tightass. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But today, I read them as words, as poetry, sans music. And you know what? As a pure, words only poet, Dylan is a bit sophmoric and trite, IMO. IMO2. snip Its the combo of music and his words that are transcendent -- as in facilitating transcendence from fixed current views. Yup. Partly his performance, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't take this all so seriously, Judy. I don't know about these other guys, but I'm just majorly amused tonight at you pretending not to be enlightened, and striving so hard to keep up the pretense. You keep getting the words wrong, Barry. And you a writer... To pretend something, you have to know it isn't true. I think it was Akasha who suggested something for you to actually *do* to experience enlightenment. Gosh, I could have sworn it was you who keeps saying there *isn't* anything you can do to experience enlightenment. You blew it off. I did? You will never actually try it. I won't? I haven't? And a few weeks from now you'll be back complaining that you're still in ignorance. I've never complained about being in ignorance. If that's not funny, what is? Your inability to deal with reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
