[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
 a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?

LOL!

That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
people here who REALIZE that they would never be
allowed within a hundred yards of an official
TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
if I make enough noise and insult these other
rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
to the clubhouse.

Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Mar 1, 2007, at 6:34 PM, sparaig wrote:
 snip
   You, on the other hand, appear to prefer to make jokes at their  
   expense.
  
  Of course not. I prefer laughable icebreakers rather than Vulcan  
  right-brain bullshit.
  
   What's up with that?
  
  I prefer the expansiveness and spaciousness present in
  the moment of laughter.
 
 Yeah, but it's not all that expansive and spacious,
 because it's *exclusionary*, elitist, looking down
 your nose--exactly what you don't like about the
 folks you're making the butt of your laughable
 icebreakers.
 
 Expansive and spacious, my aunt Murgatroyd.  What
 a simpering fraud you are.

Uh, Judy...

Can I assume you're still up at this hour,
stalking away?

If so, you haven't placed your drink order
for the big FFL get-together yet. Judging
from the above, I would suspect something
vinegary, right...?

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The first step is to recognize you are powerless to not post  
 an email within a week or two without mentioning Barry.
 
 I wish you the best with that Judy.
 
 back to the spam bin

You are overly generous, Vaj, probably the result
of all that Buddhist compassion stuff you've studied.

She can't go for more than 24 hours without mentioning me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's (Uncle Rant At) Raison d'Etre

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TurquoiseB wrote: 
  I guess you're right, Jim. I was mistaken. There 
  are no fanatics here. There is only unbounded bliss,
  and the full support of nature for those who live
  the goal of Maharishi's teachings on a daily basis.
 
 Don't let Uncle get away with this conspiracy. You know he's a plant
 sent here by the Marshy and Da. Barry IS the TMO! I once saw him
 passing out leaflets at 1015 Gayley Avenue in Westwood for the
 Maharishi's SIMS, leaflets with Jerry Jarvis's name on them, 
 promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. As I recall, Barry got his 
 picture printed on some TMO literature as well. Go figure.

For once, Willy is correct. Furthermore, in the photo
I was naked. 

[FairfieldLife] Famous ruler!

[cardemaister]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  I'd buy everyone a round of their beverage of 
   choice. 
  
  Lagavulin or Bookers for me mate, served neat. Next 
  one's on me.
 
 Knew I could count on Curtis. Lagavulin for me, too.

Furthermore, I suspect that the two of us,
and some others here, would raise our glasses
and propose a toast:

Here's to those who, if they died and to their
surprise found themselves in the classic pit of
Hell, consigned to pushing a wheelbarrow for
eternity, would find a way to laugh and sing
dirty blues songs the whole time. And to those
who, if to their equal surprise, died and found
themselves in the shiniest Heaven or Brahmaloka,
would sit alone in a corner glumly, pining for
eternity for their enemies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's a deal. When Barry comes to the States, he'll come 
 to FF as he suggested he might. He'll give Judy plenty 
 of forewarning so she can fly out from NJ. Anybody who 
 comes from out of town will be accommodated by locals,
 unless they prefer a motel, and we'll have a rousing 
 bash at Revelations. Maybe we'll even have a live debate 
 or satsang. Paramedics will be standing by.

Furthermore, we could establish some kind of 
scholarship fund, in which the more well-to-
do posters here contribute to a fund that would 
pay travel expenses for those less well off, and
even reimburse the really not well off for the
couple of days of lost salary. 

Then the gathering would be pretty much like 
the Invincible America course. Those who really
want to attend would have no excuse for not
doing so. And those who *don't* want to attend,
well...they can't very well pretend that they
wanted to and couldn't, can they?

Dare I suggest that, in the spirit of the IA
course, we have some kind of formal application
procedure? I propose that, rather than having
to fill out a form and swear that one has not
egaged in any Off The Program activities lately,
each applicant will just need to stand at the
doorway and tell a joke. If everyone laughs at
the joke, the applicant will be admitted immed-
iately. If no one laughs at the joke, the 
applicant will still be admitted, but everyone
will know to avoid them if they want to have
a good time.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
  a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
 
 LOL!
 
 That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
 people here who REALIZE that they would never be
 allowed within a hundred yards of an official
 TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
 at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
 to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
 if I make enough noise and insult these other
 rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
 to the clubhouse.
 
 Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.

Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
ing these doubts onto those who are open about
having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
having them. 

And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of this
type has, the worse they portray the externalized 
enemy to be.

Using this measure, those who feel that TM critics
are possessed by demons and should burn in Hell
really feel that this will be *their* fate if they
admit their own doubts. Similarly, those who have
turned stalking and demonizing TM critics into 
pretty much a full-time occupation, sometimes for
decades and on five or six Internet forums, must 
have some pretty terrible fears about what will 
befall *them* if they admit their similar doubts.


NOTE: The above is posted as a Public Service, as
something for a certain person who is...uh...a bit
given to this kind of projection, and whose morning
would feel empty and unfulfilling to her if she 
awoke and read Fairfield Life (probably without 
meditating first), and found nothing there that she 
could react angrily to. Consider it my contribution
to her ongoing sense of worth and to the sadhana
she has chosen. I live to serve.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Mess?

[cardemaister]

The tenses here distinguished (in accordance with 
prevailing usage) as imperfect, perfect, pluperfect
and aorist, receive those name from their correspondence
in mode of formation with tenses so called in other 
languages of the family, especially in Greek, and not
at all from differences of time designated by them.
In no period of the Sanskrit language is there any
expression of imperfect or pluperfect time -- nor of
perfect time, except in the older language, where the
'aorist' has this value; later imperfect, perfect, and
aorist are so many undiscriminated past tenses or
preterits [...]

-- William Dwight Whitney, Sanskrit Grammar

[FairfieldLife] The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[TurquoiseB]

Earlier I posted, in another context:

 Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
 doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
 tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
 anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
 ing these doubts onto those who are open about
 having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
 doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
 having them. 
 
 And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of this
 type has, the worse they portray the externalized 
 enemy to be.

The bannerline running at the bottom of the
CNN screen this morning as they interviewed
some Christian ranting about this film that
he hadn't seen yet read: 

* James Cameron - Antichrist? *


And on Reuters, as printed in the Hollwood Reporter:

Greece's powerful Orthodox Church on Thursday accused 
the director of the movie 'Titanic' of historical 
ignorance and of trying to damage the Christian faith 
for claiming he discovered the tomb of Jesus Christ.


From TIME's James Poniewozik, in an article entitled
Hollywood vs. Jesus:

Appearing in New York City with a limestone coffin 
that he claimed had held the remains of Jesus, 
Cameron attacked a central Christian tenet--that 
Christ rose bodily from the dead. Yet he confirmed 
another article of faith: that Hollywood blasphemers 
are out to get Christians.

T'would seem that these are not necessarily the author's
views, but a reporting of events as he sees them, because
he goes on to say:

The furor over the documentary The Lost Tomb of Jesus, 
which Cameron is producing, was caused by an unholy 
alliance of two Christian-right bugbears: science and 
Hollywood. (If only Hillary Clinton could have been 
involved too--Pat Robertson's head might well have 
exploded.)

and:

The dustup aggravated old, sometimes ugly, tensions 
between Christians and Hollywood--including, yes, that 
one. 'It is an evident and clear truth that Jews control 
Hollywood productions,' wrote a respondent to a post on 
the New York Times' the Lede blog, while others made 
anti-Semitic insinuations about Israeli-born Tomb 
director Simcha Jacobovici.


TIME's Middle East Blog received more than 3000 angry
comments responding to the first mention there of the
documentary, a large number of them reputedly saying 
that Cameron and Jacobovici should burn in Hell for 
making this film, and a few suggesting that if it 
weren't for the barbarous, unGodly state of the law
in this unenlightened age, they would be first in line
to send them to Hell themselves, by killing them.

Sound familiar?


And all of this over a film that NONE OF THESE
PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YET.

The world truly IS ready for a film review column
written by The Blindfolded Film Critic.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]
 Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
 doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
 tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
 anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
 ing these doubts onto those who are open about
 having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
 doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
 having them. 
 
 And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of this
 type has, the worse they portray the externalized 
 enemy to be.

Reflections:

(1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, your
argument works both ways - and may just as equally be applied to you
and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because you and Vaj usually
strike first.

What is meant by strike first?

There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first
loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re-
your imbalance, and opens you up. The impulse that pushes you
to take action, to strike out at another, takes you down the path of
a specific energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of the
place of all possibilities. A master warrior knows that as soon as
you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn
into action, you've already lost.

Found at: 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709

(2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between object,
subject and the process of their mutual cognition/interaction (during
which they tint and transform each other, which you may have noticed)
is to step outside their field of interaction - i.e. to transcend.

You may view the rationales for the occasional reactions your constant
whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques results in as:

(A) Nature's way of, in one short burst, re-balancing a flow of
negativity that has built up

(B) The personal views of individuals with good and solid experiences
of *externalizing* the relative and who therefore may have an inkling
of just how great Maharishi's gift to them is, and just how selfless
his actions are as he gave up a life in blissed solitude to spend
fifty+ years walking in the mud of the world in order to help his
fellowmen.

Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands
attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this
post is written in earnest and then internalize it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Uh, Judy...

Can I assume you're still up at this hour,
stalking away?

If so, you haven't placed your drink order
for the big FFL get-together yet. Judging
from the above, I would suspect something
vinegary, right...?



Acetic acid, neat?

[FairfieldLife] Christopher Moore on vampires and B movies that don't suck

[TurquoiseB]

I went on to the Chris Moore site today, hoping 
that the author of Lamb: The Gospel According
To Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal had something 
to say about all this Jesus Tomb stuff. Unfor-
tunately, he's just finishing up a book tour for 
his latest book, You Suck, which is a kind of 
vampire love story, and obviously hasn't been 
following the news while on the road.

On the other hand, for those here who have read
some of his books and appreciate his odd style of 
humor, here's a link where you can see him live at 
the Borders Bookstore in Ann Arbor, discussing his 
new book and vampires in general, why he doesn't 
live in Hawaii any more (Living on Kauai is like 
dating a supermodel...it's great, but one morning 
you wake up and realize that you'd actually like
to have a conversation.), and other fascinating 
things:

http://www.bordersmedia.com/store01/moore/default.asp

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first
loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re-
your imbalance, and opens you up.

What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?  The new
guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the Karate Kd movies,
don't believe it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 [snip]
  Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
  doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
  tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
  anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
  ing these doubts onto those who are open about
  having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
  doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
  having them. 
  
  And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of this
  type has, the worse they portray the externalized 
  enemy to be.
 
 Reflections:
 
 (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, your
 argument works both ways - and may just as equally be applied to you
 and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because you and Vaj usually
 strike first.
 
 What is meant by strike first?
 
 There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first
 loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re-
 your imbalance, and opens you up. The impulse that pushes you
 to take action, to strike out at another, takes you down the path of
 a specific energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of the
 place of all possibilities. A master warrior knows that as soon as
 you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn
 into action, you've already lost.
 
 Found at: 
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709
 
 (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between object,
 subject and the process of their mutual cognition/interaction (during
 which they tint and transform each other, which you may have noticed)
 is to step outside their field of interaction - i.e. to transcend.
 
 You may view the rationales for the occasional reactions your constant
 whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques results in as:
 
 (A) Nature's way of, in one short burst, re-balancing a flow of
 negativity that has built up
 
 (B) The personal views of individuals with good and solid experiences
 of *externalizing* the relative and who therefore may have an inkling
 of just how great Maharishi's gift to them is, and just how selfless
 his actions are as he gave up a life in blissed solitude to spend
 fifty+ years walking in the mud of the world in order to help his
 fellowmen.
 
 Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands
 attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this
 post is written in earnest and then internalize it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

Replying, but out of sequence:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, 
 and your hands attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor 
 and presuppose that this post is written in earnest and 
 then internalize it.

Peter, in all honesty when I read your post I wasn't
planning to reply AT ALL until I got to this last part,
and realized that you desperately WANTED a reply. Then I 
remembered that you had actually replied to a post of
mine yesterday without acting like a crazy, and realized
that I owed you one, so here goes...a reply to the only
things in your post I can possibly think of a reply to:

 Reflections:
 
 (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, 
 your argument works both ways - and may just as equally be 
 applied to you and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so 
 because you and Vaj usually strike first.

An interesting point. I cannot speak for Vaj, but
my suggestion to you is to do a search of my posts
for the last few months (say since the beginning of
the year) and repost here the ones in which I directly 
attack Maharishi, TM, TMers as a group (as opposed to 
individual TMers I might criticize as nut cases 
because...uh...they're acting like nut cases), etc.

It is my perception that many on this forum who 
keep posting that all Barry does is attack these
things are living in their own minds and in the past.

That said, I readily admit to striking first 
against *individual* posters here who, in my opinion,
are acting in a manner that reflects badly not only 
on TM and that tradition, but on ALL spiritual trad-
itions. Sometimes I strike first by taunting them
and pushing their buttons, SO THAT they will react by
going a little crazy and revealing to even more people
the extent of their craziness. At other times I strike
first by poking fun at these individuals -- laughing
uproariously at them and inviting others here to join
in the laughter. I do this SO THAT more people *will*
laugh at these people, and in the hope that someday a
few of them might learn to laugh at themselves.

 What is meant by strike first?
 
 There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
 strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes 
 you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up. 

With all due respect, it sounds as if you have read 
more about the martial arts than you have practiced 
them. Anyone who believes that to strike (or strike
first) one has to go off balance just hasn't spent
much time in a dojo or on the contest mats.

 The impulse that pushes you to take action, to strike 
 out at another, takes you down the path of a specific 
 energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of 
 the place of all possibilities. 

So you're saying that by choosing one possibility (the
path, for example, of poking fun at someone silly so
that others will laugh at them...definitely a form of
attack), one has been taken out of the place of all
possibilities? Well, Ok, I guess, but one could make
the case that by choosing *any* possibility one has
*equally* taken oneself out of the place of all
possibilities. Only by remaining as inactive as a
turnip can one choose no specific possibility from the
pool of all possibilities.

 A master warrior knows that as soon as you feel that 
 desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn
 into action, you've already lost.
 
 Found at: 
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709

Oh. No WONDER you're confused. You're basing your view
of what martial arts is about on the writings of Michael
Dean Goodman. Well duh. What's HE going to do as a 
martial artist -- TALK you to death? A guy comes up to
him in a bar and starts to pick a fight and in response
Michael sits down and writes out a 7,000-word essay and
flings it at him? :-)

 (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between 
 object, subject and the process of their mutual cognition/
 interaction (during which they tint and transform each other, 
 which you may have noticed) is to step outside their field 
 of interaction - i.e. to transcend.

I have no earthly idea what you were trying to say 
here. If you are saying again that the only way to 
remain centered is to stay safely within the field
of all possibilities and transcend, I wish you luck
the next time you encounter Michael Dean Goodman in 
a bar, drunk and angry as hell and armed with a 7,000-
word essay that he's getting ready to chuck at you.

 You may view the rationales for the occasional reactions 
 your constant whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques 
 results in as:
 
 (A) Nature's way of, in one short burst, re-balancing a 
 flow of negativity that has built up

You can view it that way if you like. I promise not
to hit you with even a two-word reply if you do so.

 (B) The personal views of individuals with good and solid 
 experiences of *externalizing* the relative and who there-
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes 
 first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
 center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.
 
 What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
 The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
 Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.

Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
*not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
  strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes 
  you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up.
 
 What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?  
 The new guy. Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the Karate 
 Kd movies, don't believe it.

Exactly. 

The advice in question seems to have come from 
Michael Dean Goodman, who would feel compelled
to describe a punch in 4,000 words before he 
threw it.

And who would then be surprised to find that 
his opponent had grown bored with all the talk
and left long ago.

As a form of martial arts -- bore your opponent
to death -- it has its advantages, but only if
the opponent doesn't kick you in the nuts after
the first paragraph or so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 TIME's Middle East Blog received more than 3000 angry
 comments responding to the first mention there of the
 documentary, a large number of them reputedly saying 
 that Cameron and Jacobovici should burn in Hell for 
 making this film, and a few suggesting that if it 
 weren't for the barbarous, unGodly state of the law
 in this unenlightened age, they would be first in line
 to send them to Hell themselves, by killing them.
 
 Sound familiar?
 
 And all of this over a film that NONE OF THESE
 PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YET.

To inject a note of sanity:

What these people are objecting to is the 
*thesis* of the film, which the filmmakers have
detailed at a press conference, with a Web site
to boot.  It's pretty straightforward, and it
clearly strikes at the heart of Christian belief.
There isn't a whole lot of ambiguity involved.

Unless the film is *very* different from how
its makers have described it, it's highly
unlikely the views of these people are going to
change once they've seen it.

If there had been no film at all, just the press
conference making the claims about who had been
buried in the tomb, the degree and intensity of
the outrage wouldn't have been much different.

In other words, the fact that some Christians are
up in arms without having seen the film is a big
fat red herring.

 The world truly IS ready for a film review column
 written by The Blindfolded Film Critic. :-)

In fact, Barry has gone through this whole
exercise for the sole purpose of taking a slam
at me.

An instant's reflection is sufficient to realize
it doesn't even make sense.  What a silly waste of
time, when there are such important, very real
issues involved.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
  a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
 
 LOL!
 
 That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
 people here who REALIZE that they would never be
 allowed within a hundred yards of an official
 TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
 at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
 to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
 if I make enough noise and insult these other
 rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
 to the clubhouse.

But that would be quite silly, because (as Barry
knows) the TMO strongly disapproves of engaging 
directly with critics, even politely.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Uh, Judy...
 
 Can I assume you're still up at this hour,
 stalking away?

As you know, Barry, it isn't that often that
I post really late.

I have a client who needs rush work done from
time to time and can't get it to me early
enough in the day for me to finish by a decent
hour.  I don't mind working late--I prefer it
to getting up early--and of course I charge
extra for the rush, so it's quite lucrative.

When I post in the wee hours, it's virtually
always because I had been working.  After
intense concentration, I like to take a while
to decompress before I turn in.  Surfing the
net and posting here are very relaxing.

Sorry to bust your fantasies.

 If so, you haven't placed your drink order
 for the big FFL get-together yet. Judging
 from the above, I would suspect something
 vinegary, right...?

I won't be able to attend, but if this thing
actually comes off, and you do establish a fund
to help pay others' costs, I'd be happy to
contribute.

If I were to toast FFLers in absentia, it
would likely be with Jamaican dark rum or
Polish buffalo grass vodka.

[FairfieldLife] Stunning new Cassini photos of Saturn

[authfriend]

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index.cfm

[FairfieldLife] Shit-eaters Inc (Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent ... )

[peterklutz]

TB - I did not expect a reply. 

Now that I have one, a tome the size of the Old Testament I don't need
to read.

Why?

The length of your reply makes me realize I just perfected my art of
shadba marma, i.e. how to kill an enemy by delivering sounds that goes
to work on certain of his (or hers) esoteric nerve centers - in your
case the muscles controlling your lower abdomen.

You may not have realized it, but you are dying from literal diarrhea.

The only known cure to this condition is to re-digest your shiite,
hoping that there's is left some nourishment in the brown stuff you're
chewing on. 

Doing so shouldnät be a problem - looking at your postings so far, I
give the impression of having actualyl acquired a taste for human
chocolate.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Replying, but out of sequence:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, 
  and your hands attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor 
  and presuppose that this post is written in earnest and 
  then internalize it.
 
 Peter, in all honesty when I read your post I wasn't
 planning to reply AT ALL until I got to this last part,
 and realized that you desperately WANTED a reply. Then I 
 remembered that you had actually replied to a post of
 mine yesterday without acting like a crazy, and realized
 that I owed you one, so here goes...a reply to the only
 things in your post I can possibly think of a reply to:
 
  Reflections:
  
  (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, 
  your argument works both ways - and may just as equally be 
  applied to you and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so 
  because you and Vaj usually strike first.
 
 An interesting point. I cannot speak for Vaj, but
 my suggestion to you is to do a search of my posts
 for the last few months (say since the beginning of
 the year) and repost here the ones in which I directly 
 attack Maharishi, TM, TMers as a group (as opposed to 
 individual TMers I might criticize as nut cases 
 because...uh...they're acting like nut cases), etc.
 
 It is my perception that many on this forum who 
 keep posting that all Barry does is attack these
 things are living in their own minds and in the past.
 
 That said, I readily admit to striking first 
 against *individual* posters here who, in my opinion,
 are acting in a manner that reflects badly not only 
 on TM and that tradition, but on ALL spiritual trad-
 itions. Sometimes I strike first by taunting them
 and pushing their buttons, SO THAT they will react by
 going a little crazy and revealing to even more people
 the extent of their craziness. At other times I strike
 first by poking fun at these individuals -- laughing
 uproariously at them and inviting others here to join
 in the laughter. I do this SO THAT more people *will*
 laugh at these people, and in the hope that someday a
 few of them might learn to laugh at themselves.
 
  What is meant by strike first?
  
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
  strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes 
  you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up. 
 
 With all due respect, it sounds as if you have read 
 more about the martial arts than you have practiced 
 them. Anyone who believes that to strike (or strike
 first) one has to go off balance just hasn't spent
 much time in a dojo or on the contest mats.
 
  The impulse that pushes you to take action, to strike 
  out at another, takes you down the path of a specific 
  energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of 
  the place of all possibilities. 
 
 So you're saying that by choosing one possibility (the
 path, for example, of poking fun at someone silly so
 that others will laugh at them...definitely a form of
 attack), one has been taken out of the place of all
 possibilities? Well, Ok, I guess, but one could make
 the case that by choosing *any* possibility one has
 *equally* taken oneself out of the place of all
 possibilities. Only by remaining as inactive as a
 turnip can one choose no specific possibility from the
 pool of all possibilities.
 
  A master warrior knows that as soon as you feel that 
  desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn
  into action, you've already lost.
  
  Found at: 
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709
 
 Oh. No WONDER you're confused. You're basing your view
 of what martial arts is about on the writings of Michael
 Dean Goodman. Well duh. What's HE going to do as a 
 martial artist -- TALK you to death? A guy comes up to
 him in a bar and starts to pick a fight and in response
 Michael sits down and writes out a 7,000-word essay and
 flings it at him? :-)
 
  (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between 
  object, subject and the process of their mutual cognition/
  interaction (during which they tint and transform each other, 
  which you 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever
strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes
you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up.


What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
The new guy. Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the Karate
Kd movies, don't believe it.


Exactly.

The advice in question seems to have come from
Michael Dean Goodman, who would feel compelled
to describe a punch in 4,000 words before he
threw it.



Wow you're not exaggerating. I just went back and read one of the  
posts Peter K. was pointing to, a response to one of my posts from  
Mike Goodman. It was super long and drawn out, and mostly missed the  
points it was responding to. It was impressive however in it's  
length, despite arguing a wrong idea. Pretty funny in retrospect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
   a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
  
  LOL!
  
  That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
  people here who REALIZE that they would never be
  allowed within a hundred yards of an official
  TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
  at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
  to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
  if I make enough noise and insult these other
  rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
  to the clubhouse.
  
  Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.
 
 Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
 doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
 tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
 anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
 ing these doubts onto those who are open about
 having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
 doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
 having them.

You know, Barry, it isn't clear whether you're trying
to convince the TM supporters here that we have doubts,
or trying to convince eveyone else that we have doubts.

Or, even more likely, that you're trying to convince
*yourself* that we have doubts.

If it's the first possibility, it isn't working for
me, sorry.

If it's the third, how's it working for you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj self-terminated thru use of hyperbole

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Mar 1, 2007, at 8:15 PM, peterklutz wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
[mercy snip]
   
...  I'm typically not real keen on people who are against
universal tolerance and who are anti-Masons, bigots or wild 
conspiracy theorists. But you do see a lot of that more and 
more here, whether it's a Neo-Nazi or a TM-Nazi.
   
Godwin's Law:
   
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability
of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
   
Meaning:
   
1:  ... overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be
avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
   
2: ... once such a comparison is made, the thread is
finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has 
automatically lost
   
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
   
   Godwin obviously never met a TM Nazi.
   
   Non sequitur.
  
  Sigh.
 
 One point the Wikipedia article doesn't mention:
 When such a comparison is made inappropriately,
 as here, it virtually always indicates the person
 who makes it is near desperation.


That's kind of inherent in overuse and thread is finished.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

If I were to toast FFLers in absentia, it
would likely be with Jamaican dark rum or
Polish buffalo grass vodka.

Barbancourt from Haiti is my favorite dark rum, real Voodoo priest
stuff. I'll check out the Buffalo Grass.

I have read two books on the history of Rum and how it shaped the
world.  The cycle of buying dried Cod to feed slaves on islands
cutting sugar cane so you can make rum and then buy more slaves. I
love food history.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  Uh, Judy...
  
  Can I assume you're still up at this hour,
  stalking away?
 
 As you know, Barry, it isn't that often that
 I post really late.
 
 I have a client who needs rush work done from
 time to time and can't get it to me early
 enough in the day for me to finish by a decent
 hour.  I don't mind working late--I prefer it
 to getting up early--and of course I charge
 extra for the rush, so it's quite lucrative.
 
 When I post in the wee hours, it's virtually
 always because I had been working.  After
 intense concentration, I like to take a while
 to decompress before I turn in.  Surfing the
 net and posting here are very relaxing.
 
 Sorry to bust your fantasies.
 
  If so, you haven't placed your drink order
  for the big FFL get-together yet. Judging
  from the above, I would suspect something
  vinegary, right...?
 
 I won't be able to attend, but if this thing
 actually comes off, and you do establish a fund
 to help pay others' costs, I'd be happy to
 contribute.
 
 If I were to toast FFLers in absentia, it
 would likely be with Jamaican dark rum or
 Polish buffalo grass vodka.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Dare I suggest that, in the spirit of the IA
course, we have some kind of formal application
procedure? I propose that, rather than having
to fill out a form and swear that one has not
egaged in any Off The Program activities lately,
each applicant will just need to stand at the
doorway and tell a joke. If everyone laughs at
the joke, the applicant will be admitted immed-
iately. If no one laughs at the joke, the
applicant will still be admitted, but everyone
will know to avoid them if they want to have
a good time.  :-)

And then we issue badges, and threaten people with vague terrors if 
they so much as misplace theirs for even a minute or two.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first
 loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re-
 your imbalance, and opens you up.
 
 What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?  The new
 guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the Karate Kd movies,
 don't believe it.

Only rookies get in fights in the first place. And... ALL strikes throw you off 
balance.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes 
  first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
  center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
  The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
  Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.
 
 Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
 *not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.


Getting in fights is a sign of non-Mastery.

I recall a conversation I had with a tenant who had just been i a fight. I 
commented that I 
tried to avoid them as much as possible. He said Yeah, but sometimes you just 
can't.

I agreed and asked him where the fight took place?

A biker bar I like to hang out at...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  TIME's Middle East Blog received more than 3000 angry
  comments responding to the first mention there of the
  documentary, a large number of them reputedly saying 
  that Cameron and Jacobovici should burn in Hell for 
  making this film, and a few suggesting that if it 
  weren't for the barbarous, unGodly state of the law
  in this unenlightened age, they would be first in line
  to send them to Hell themselves, by killing them.
  
  Sound familiar?
  
  And all of this over a film that NONE OF THESE
  PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YET.
 
 To inject a note of sanity:
 
 What these people are objecting to is the 
 *thesis* of the film, which the filmmakers have
 detailed at a press conference, with a Web site
 to boot.  It's pretty straightforward, and it
 clearly strikes at the heart of Christian belief.
 There isn't a whole lot of ambiguity involved.

To question the sanity of the note you're
trying rather desperately to interject, WHY
should they object to someone proposing in
public a thesis that is in opposition to what 
they believe? 

And is their outrage (your word from your 
original post, which I will snip below out 
of mercy and in light of Peter Klutz's inabil-
ity to read long posts) somehow JUSTIFIED 
by someone believing something that they 
do not? And if you believe it is justified, 
is it APPROPRIATE?

Does being threatened by someone believing
something different than you believe -- and 
reacting in the way in which some of the 
people I quoted have reacted -- strike you 
as SANE?

Would you have leapt into the fray to inject
a note of sanity into the outrage that 
some Christians felt about Galileo and the
theses that he was proposing? You seem to be 
aligning yourself with those who wanted to 
burn him at the stake, and defending *their*
outrage rather than his right to believe some-
thing different. And...you'll have to excuse
me here for coming to this conclusion...but
by using the words inject a note of sanity,
you seem to be implying that these outraged
Christians were sane as well.

Please correct me here.

Do you believe that Christians are sane
when they become outraged at someone who
commits the terrible sin of believing 
something different than they do?

Similarly, do you believe that TM supporters 
are sane when they become equally outraged 
at someone who commits the same sin here on
Fairfield Life?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of off_world_beings
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:08 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you
 with us, or against us?)
 
  
 
 People here have a total misunderstanding of what Maharishi is 
 saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is the Charioteer, 
 every person is Royalty, every person is divine being, every person 
 is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the Ruler of the 
 Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no kings and 
 subjects. 
 
 He says that, but he doesn't run the movement that way. The movement is very
 hierarchical. There is a vast difference between the ways people at opposite
 ends of the social scale are treated.


Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the Dali Lama these days, 
unless it is a 
publicity gimmick?

Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows the boss from getting 
his hands dirty 
with the peasants.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
   a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
  
  LOL!
  
  That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
  people here who REALIZE that they would never be
  allowed within a hundred yards of an official
  TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
  at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
  to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
  if I make enough noise and insult these other
  rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
  to the clubhouse.
  
  Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.
 
 Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
 doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
 tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
 anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
 ing these doubts onto those who are open about
 having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
 doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
 having them. 
 

It goes both ways, you know. If you were as certain about your uncertainty as 
you claim, 
you wouldn't bother posting about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Dare I suggest that, in the spirit of the IA
  course, we have some kind of formal application
  procedure? I propose that, rather than having
  to fill out a form and swear that one has not
  egaged in any Off The Program activities lately,
  each applicant will just need to stand at the
  doorway and tell a joke. If everyone laughs at
  the joke, the applicant will be admitted immed-
  iately. If no one laughs at the joke, the
  applicant will still be admitted, but everyone
  will know to avoid them if they want to have
  a good time.  :-)
 
 And then we issue badges, and threaten people with 
 vague terrors if they so much as misplace theirs 
 for even a minute or two.

But our badges won't have photos on them to
identify the partygoers, only a smileyface
logo, the same one for everyone. That way, if
you misplace your badge, you can steal some-
one else's, and they'll have to go before
the Inquisition instead of you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 The dustup aggravated old, sometimes ugly, tensions 
 between Christians and Hollywood--including, yes, that 
 one. 'It is an evident and clear truth that Jews control 
 Hollywood productions,' wrote a respondent to a post on 
 the New York Times' the Lede blog, while others made 
 anti-Semitic insinuations about Israeli-born Tomb 
 director Simcha Jacobovici.

The irony is that back in the day when the Jews DID control Hollywood, this 
documentary 
would never have been made.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands
 attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this
 post is written in earnest and then internalize it.


It really does go both ways, Peter.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.  I
think I read him right.  It is a myth.  See what happens  to the
second striker:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q

If my other post shows up you can read my commentary.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes 
  first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
  center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
  The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
  Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.
 
 Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
 *not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the 
 Dali Lama these days, unless it is a publicity gimmick?

Uh...Dalai Lama. The Dali Lama was a surrealistic
figure in one of Salvador Dali's paintings, this
melted guy in ochre robes dripping over a table. :-)

 Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows 
 the boss from getting his hands dirty with the peasants.

The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom
one could pretty well class as a peon, since I
am not rich and am not a member of any established
Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in
public several times and meet with him privately
for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.

If a spiritual teacher becomes inaccessible, it's
because he wants it that way, not because of the
size of the organization.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 6:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


The dustup aggravated old, sometimes ugly, tensions
between Christians and Hollywood--including, yes, that
one. 'It is an evident and clear truth that Jews control
Hollywood productions,' wrote a respondent to a post on
the New York Times' the Lede blog, while others made
anti-Semitic insinuations about Israeli-born Tomb
director Simcha Jacobovici.


Um, what unbelievably ignorant claptrap.  I mean, everyone *knows* that 
the Jews are far too busy working out the final details of the Great 
Zionist Plot to Take Over the World, to concern themselves about a 
trivial thing like Hollywood.


But of course, that is what everyone is supposed to believe, so as to 
distract from the real agenda.  So everything is going as planned. :)


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
   
   LOL!
   
   That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
   people here who REALIZE that they would never be
   allowed within a hundred yards of an official
   TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
   at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
   to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
   if I make enough noise and insult these other
   rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
   to the clubhouse.
   
   Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.
  
  Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
  doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
  tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
  anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
  ing these doubts onto those who are open about
  having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
  doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
  having them.
 
 You know, Barry, it isn't clear whether you're trying
 to convince the TM supporters here that we have doubts,
 or trying to convince eveyone else that we have doubts.
 
 Or, even more likely, that you're trying to convince
 *yourself* that we have doubts.
 
 If it's the first possibility, it isn't working for
 me, sorry.
 
 If it's the third, how's it working for you?

Interesting that both Vaj and Barry have expressed enjoyment at 
laughing AT people, vs. laughing with them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I'd buy everyone a round of their beverage of 
choice. 
   
   Lagavulin or Bookers for me mate, served neat. Next 
   one's on me.
  
  Knew I could count on Curtis. Lagavulin for me, too.
 
 Furthermore, I suspect that the two of us,
 and some others here, would raise our glasses
 and propose a toast:
 
 Here's to those who, if they died and to their
 surprise found themselves in the classic pit of
 Hell, consigned to pushing a wheelbarrow for
 eternity, would find a way to laugh and sing
 dirty blues songs the whole time. And to those
 who, if to their equal surprise, died and found
 themselves in the shiniest Heaven or Brahmaloka,
 would sit alone in a corner glumly, pining for
 eternity for their enemies.



Damned Mormons. They'll grow stuff anywhere.


IOW, hell and heaven are what you make of them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.  I
 think I read him right.

No, go and read the original post the quote was
taken from. He was advising *against* striking first.


  It is a myth.  See what happens  to the
 second striker:
 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
 
 If my other post shows up you can read my commentary.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
strikes 
   first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
   center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.
   
   What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
   The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
   Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.
  
  Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
  *not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.

That's happening a lot today. I think it's a 
new feature. 

 I think I read him right. It is a myth. See 
 what happens to the second striker:
 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q

Indeed.

It's amusing (to say the least) to read 
what those who have never really practiced
the martial arts believe about them.

A great martial artist does NOT go off
balance when he strikes. Nor does the 
sequence of the strikes have anything to
do with who winds up on the floor and
who walks away.

As for the stay out of a fight argument
proposed by Sparaig and Peter Klutz, one
is tempted to ask WHY, if they find the
things that people say here to be first
strikes against them, they have chosen
to hang out on a forum that -- according
to its charter -- is announced as a place
where such strikes against assumption and
rigid belief are de rigeur?

To paraphrase Sparaig, it would appear to
me that they're saying that there was no
way to avoid the fights, when they them-
selves made the choice to hang out in a
biker bar.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
Let's face it: none of you would even be acceptable in 
a cult dome. What, are we, your last resort?
   
   LOL!
   
   That's really it, isn't it? There are a number of
   people here who REALIZE that they would never be
   allowed within a hundred yards of an official
   TM butt-bouncing dome. And yet they look around
   at the others who aren't allowed in and they say
   to themselves, I'm not as bad as THEY are. Maybe
   if I make enough noise and insult these other
   rejects enough times, they'll let me back in
   to the clubhouse.
   
   Funniest image in a great long while, Vaj. Thanks.
  
  Classic projection. When confronted with one's own
  doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or
  tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
  anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
  ing these doubts onto those who are open about
  having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the 
  doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
  having them. 
  
 
 It goes both ways, you know. If you were as certain about your 
uncertainty as you claim, 
 you wouldn't bother posting about it.

The whole idea that one argues only for what one
has doubts about is really, really silly either
way.  It may be true that some people argue for
what they have doubts about, but it isn't some kind
of absolute, as Barry would like to have us believe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   TIME's Middle East Blog received more than 3000 angry
   comments responding to the first mention there of the
   documentary, a large number of them reputedly saying 
   that Cameron and Jacobovici should burn in Hell for 
   making this film, and a few suggesting that if it 
   weren't for the barbarous, unGodly state of the law
   in this unenlightened age, they would be first in line
   to send them to Hell themselves, by killing them.
   
   Sound familiar?
   
   And all of this over a film that NONE OF THESE
   PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YET.
  
  To inject a note of sanity:
  
  What these people are objecting to is the 
  *thesis* of the film, which the filmmakers have
  detailed at a press conference, with a Web site
  to boot.  It's pretty straightforward, and it
  clearly strikes at the heart of Christian belief.
  There isn't a whole lot of ambiguity involved.
 
 To question the sanity of the note you're
 trying rather desperately to interject, WHY
 should they object to someone proposing in
 public a thesis that is in opposition to what 
 they believe?

That's one of the *real* issues I referred to
at the end of my post, which you snipped, as
opposed to the *fake* issue you were screaming
about, that they were objecting before having
seen the film.

Oh, hmm, you snipped that part too, didn't you?

Fine, I'll snip the rest of yours.

snip

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of sparaig
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:17 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are
you with us, or against us?)

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ]
 On Behalf Of off_world_beings
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:08 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you
 with us, or against us?)
 
 
 
 People here have a total misunderstanding of what Maharishi is 
 saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is the Charioteer, 
 every person is Royalty, every person is divine being, every person 
 is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the Ruler of the 
 Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no kings and 
 subjects. 
 
 He says that, but he doesn't run the movement that way. The movement is
very
 hierarchical. There is a vast difference between the ways people at
opposite
 ends of the social scale are treated.


Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the Dali Lama these days,
unless it is a 
publicity gimmick?

Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows the boss from
getting his hands dirty 
with the peasants.

I'm not talking about getting to see him. I doubt very much that the Dali
Lama lavishes jewels and expensive clothes and cushy digs on the important
people while treating the little people as expendable commodities.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Peter]

You're actually nothing at all. Quite literally
nothing. In fact, you don't even exist. Never have,
never will. Never confuse the objects of perception
with consciousness. 

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of off_world_beings
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:08 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about
 democracy (was: Are you
 with us, or against us?)
 
  
 
 People here have a total misunderstanding of what
 Maharishi is 
 saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is
 the Charioteer, 
 every person is Royalty, every person is divine
 being, every person 
 is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the
 Ruler of the 
 Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no
 kings and 
 subjects. 
 
 He says that, but he doesn't run the movement that
 way. The movement is very
 hierarchical. There is a vast difference between the
 ways people at opposite
 ends of the social scale are treated.
 
 



 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

I must be writing in too short phrases to be understood, sorry.  I am
saying that not striking first is a stupid myth in actual fighting.
The second striker ends up on the mat in this video.  The second
striker gets set up for getting knocked out by the guy striking first,
like a human chess game. Once a guy lands one blow,  it sets up a
dangerous sequence, so your best bet is to strike first and control
the pace of the fight.  There are many silly myths in martial art's
movies that fall apart in the ring.  Trained fighters don't lose their
balance as they are hitting you.  Because they are in balance as they
strike, they can follow up with another strike or take you to the
ground for a submission.  The guy he knocks out was my favorite guy
because he is a Jiu Jitsu expert and would have won on the ground. 
But the first striker never let it get that far.

Is that clear or am I still missing your point?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.  I
  think I read him right.
 
 No, go and read the original post the quote was
 taken from. He was advising *against* striking first.
 
 
   It is a myth.  See what happens  to the
  second striker:
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
  
  If my other post shows up you can read my commentary.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
 strikes 
first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.

What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.
   
   Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
   *not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 As for the stay out of a fight argument
 proposed by Sparaig and Peter Klutz, one
 is tempted to ask WHY, if they find the
 things that people say here to be first
 strikes against them, they have chosen
 to hang out on a forum that -- according
 to its charter -- is announced as a place
 where such strikes against assumption and
 rigid belief are de rigeur?

Attacks are *not* de rigeur here.

We tolerate the attacks because there are
plenty of other things going on that we
enjoy reading and discussing, obviously.




 
 To paraphrase Sparaig, it would appear to
 me that they're saying that there was no
 way to avoid the fights, when they them-
 selves made the choice to hang out in a
 biker bar.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[Peter]

--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 There is a principle in the martial arts, that
 whoever strikes first
 loses. Because to strike at another takes you off
 your center, re-
 your imbalance, and opens you up.
 
 What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off
 balance?  The new
 guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
 Karate Kd movies,
 don't believe it.

This is why I always bring a Glock to a martial arts
fight.




 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
 no_reply@ wrote:
  
  [snip]
   Classic projection. When confronted with one's
 own
   doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher,
 or
   tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
   anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
   ing these doubts onto those who are open about
   having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at
 the 
   doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
   having them. 
   
   And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of
 this
   type has, the worse they portray the
 externalized 
   enemy to be.
  
  Reflections:
  
  (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute
 reality of life, your
  argument works both ways - and may just as equally
 be applied to you
  and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because
 you and Vaj usually
  strike first.
  
  What is meant by strike first?
  
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that
 whoever strikes first
  loses. Because to strike at another takes you off
 your center, re-
  your imbalance, and opens you up. The impulse that
 pushes you
  to take action, to strike out at another, takes
 you down the path of
  a specific energy, a specific possibility - and
 takes you out of the
  place of all possibilities. A master warrior knows
 that as soon as
  you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it
 and let it turn
  into action, you've already lost.
  
  Found at: 
  
 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709
  
  (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance
 between object,
  subject and the process of their mutual
 cognition/interaction (during
  which they tint and transform each other, which
 you may have noticed)
  is to step outside their field of interaction -
 i.e. to transcend.
  
  You may view the rationales for the occasional
 reactions your constant
  whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques
 results in as:
  
  (A) Nature's way of, in one short burst,
 re-balancing a flow of
  negativity that has built up
  
  (B) The personal views of individuals with good
 and solid experiences
  of *externalizing* the relative and who therefore
 may have an inkling
  of just how great Maharishi's gift to them is, and
 just how selfless
  his actions are as he gave up a life in blissed
 solitude to spend
  fifty+ years walking in the mud of the world in
 order to help his
  fellowmen.
  
  Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this
 time, and your hands
  attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and
 presuppose that this
  post is written in earnest and then internalize
 it.
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

That is what I am correcting.  It is old school movie martial arts
nonsense.  Here is an example of the power of the first striker
setting up the knock out by striking first and causing the reaction he
then exploits.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q

Mixed martial arts fighters use the first strike to set up another
strike or take down.  The problem with waiting for them to strike
first is that if they connect they often don't stop.  It is like body
chess.  Check out how skillfully the guy in the red shorts, Sokodjou,
gets the other fighter to drop his hands with his low kicks.  Then
lights out!






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes 
  first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your 
  center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?
  The new guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
  Karate Kd movies, don't believe it.
 
 Read the first sentence again, Curtis.  The advice is
 *not* to strike first, because then you're unbalanced.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

I was in a strip club in Florida once...(sounds like a first scene
from a Tarantino flick) when I realized that I was basically
surrounded by members of the Pagan biker club.  Not pretty boy new
Harley yuppies, but actual meth dealing outlaws who NEVER washed their
threads.  I asked the bouncer if they ever cause trouble.  He told me
that the bikers only fight for real, never as play, so they don't
cause random trouble.  If they have a good reason they just swarm you
and kill you, usually over business.  There is no fight.  The guys
who start the trouble are the young military guys fighting over women.
 That fits my experience in clubs in D.C. with jar heads.  One pitcher
of beer and if anyone looks at their girl they start the windmill of
punches.

The biker's small talk with the strippers was fascinating in a way
that demented guys like you and I live for!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.
 
 That's happening a lot today. I think it's a 
 new feature. 
 
  I think I read him right. It is a myth. See 
  what happens to the second striker:
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
 
 Indeed.
 
 It's amusing (to say the least) to read 
 what those who have never really practiced
 the martial arts believe about them.
 
 A great martial artist does NOT go off
 balance when he strikes. Nor does the 
 sequence of the strikes have anything to
 do with who winds up on the floor and
 who walks away.
 
 As for the stay out of a fight argument
 proposed by Sparaig and Peter Klutz, one
 is tempted to ask WHY, if they find the
 things that people say here to be first
 strikes against them, they have chosen
 to hang out on a forum that -- according
 to its charter -- is announced as a place
 where such strikes against assumption and
 rigid belief are de rigeur?
 
 To paraphrase Sparaig, it would appear to
 me that they're saying that there was no
 way to avoid the fights, when they them-
 selves made the choice to hang out in a
 biker bar.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever 
   strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes 
   you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off balance?  
  The new guy. Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the Karate 
  Kd movies, don't believe it.
 
 Exactly. 
 
 The advice in question seems to have come from 
 Michael Dean Goodman, who would feel compelled
 to describe a punch in 4,000 words before he 
 threw it.
 
 And who would then be surprised to find that 
 his opponent had grown bored with all the talk
 and left long ago.
 
 As a form of martial arts -- bore your opponent
 to death -- it has its advantages, but only if
 the opponent doesn't kick you in the nuts after
 the first paragraph or so.


You might want to contemplate He of the Big Nose before you assume that the 
talkative 
guy is an easy mark.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:34 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are
you with us, or against us?)

 

You're actually nothing at all. Quite literally
nothing. In fact, you don't even exist. Never have,
never will. Never confuse the objects of perception
with consciousness. 



Thanks for the reminder. Not only do I not exist, but none of this does.
That knowledge keeps coming in waves. I can be in the store, at a concert,
whatever, and the attention naturally oscillates back and forth between the
manifest and the recognition that nothing is happening.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[curtisdeltablues]

This is why I always bring a Glock to a martial arts
 fight.

Make mine a 9mm with a 17 round clip.

I posted a great fight from the last Pride 33.  There are many good
fights on Youtube from the show.  Youtube is saving me lots of money
on PPV shows!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that
  whoever strikes first
  loses. Because to strike at another takes you off
  your center, re-
  your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off
  balance?  The new
  guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
  Karate Kd movies,
  don't believe it.
 
 This is why I always bring a Glock to a martial arts
 fight.
 
 
 
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz
  peterklutz@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
  no_reply@ wrote:
   
   [snip]
Classic projection. When confronted with one's
  own
doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher,
  or
tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the
anger that one feels towards ones self for feel-
ing these doubts onto those who are open about
having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at
  the 
doubts and at those who feel threatened about 
having them. 

And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of
  this
type has, the worse they portray the
  externalized 
enemy to be.
   
   Reflections:
   
   (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute
  reality of life, your
   argument works both ways - and may just as equally
  be applied to you
   and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because
  you and Vaj usually
   strike first.
   
   What is meant by strike first?
   
   There is a principle in the martial arts, that
  whoever strikes first
   loses. Because to strike at another takes you off
  your center, re-
   your imbalance, and opens you up. The impulse that
  pushes you
   to take action, to strike out at another, takes
  you down the path of
   a specific energy, a specific possibility - and
  takes you out of the
   place of all possibilities. A master warrior knows
  that as soon as
   you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it
  and let it turn
   into action, you've already lost.
   
   Found at: 
   
  
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709
   
   (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance
  between object,
   subject and the process of their mutual
  cognition/interaction (during
   which they tint and transform each other, which
  you may have noticed)
   is to step outside their field of interaction -
  i.e. to transcend.
   
   You may view the rationales for the occasional
  reactions your constant
   whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques
  results in as:
   
   (A) Nature's way of, in one short burst,
  re-balancing a flow of
   negativity that has built up
   
   (B) The personal views of individuals with good
  and solid experiences
   of *externalizing* the relative and who therefore
  may have an inkling
   of just how great Maharishi's gift to them is, and
  just how selfless
   his actions are as he gave up a life in blissed
  solitude to spend
   fifty+ years walking in the mud of the world in
  order to help his
   fellowmen.
   
   Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this
  time, and your hands
   attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and
  presuppose that this
   post is written in earnest and then internalize
  it.
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  There is a principle in the martial arts, that
  whoever strikes first
  loses. Because to strike at another takes you off
  your center, re-
  your imbalance, and opens you up.
  
  What kind of rookie martial artist stikes while off
  balance?  The new
  guy.  Sounds like advice from Mr Miyagi from the
  Karate Kd movies,
  don't believe it.
 
 This is why I always bring a Glock to a martial arts
 fight.

Glock, schmock. Walk softly and carry a big Uzi.

:-)

Thanks for the lightening up, Peter. That in 
itself, especially on this forum, is a form of 
martial arts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not talking about getting to see him. I doubt very 
 much that the Dalai Lama lavishes jewels and expensive 
 clothes and cushy digs on the important people while 
 treating the little people as expendable commodities.

From what I have been given to understand from
friends who have worked with him closely for 
decades, it is the exact opposite. The Dalai Lama
hates the publicity shots with the rich and famous, 
and tends to come alive and interact joyously with
everyday journeyman monks who do the grunt
work of spreading Tibetan Buddhism.

To put this in perspective, that would be like
Maharishi giving a special audience to the guy
who had worked his butt off in the field to spread
TM and, as a result, had initiated over 1000 people
within a year, while ignoring the person who was 
standing there with a check for Big Bucks in his 
hand.

I mention this not as metaphor but as something
I actually saw happen. Only in reverse. Maharishi
blew off the initiator who had taught (at the time)
the most people in TM movement history within one
year, and spent his entire time hobnobbing with a
German who had become a TM teacher years before,
had never taught TM to anyone in his life, but who
had a check for measly sum (at that time) of 100K
in his hand. And this was back in the Seventies,
before the lust for money became *really* out
of hand.

I repost here something I posted on TM-Free this
morning, as a comment to a thread that dealt with
the coronation of the latest Raj Rajeshwari.

Betty writes (in a comment to Gina's post):
I was never aware of the shame of not being 
wealthy until I went on TTC.

An interesting and accurate perception, Betty. 
I can only say that it wasn't always that way. 
On my TTC back in 1972, the vast majority of 
us were poor folk, having had to scrape up 
the money to attend TTC however we could, and 
having done so because we had a desire to help 
other poor folk like ourselves to learn to 
meditate.

But back then learning to meditate the TM way 
cost $35 to $75. That was before Maharishi 
started equating being rich with being highly 
evolved, and equating giving as much of those 
riches to him as possible with being even more 
highly evolved.

One of the saddest things you can see in any 
spiritual tradition is this transition. In the 
beginning, putting one's life on the line to 
help others is viewed as good karma, and as an 
indication of one's spiritual worth. But in the 
last days of any dying spiritual organization, 
only cutting a check is seen as indicative of 
one's spiritual worth.

The costumes and the pomp and circumstance of 
coronations such as this one are just the 
surface symptoms of a greater dis-ease. They 
are like the carcinomas that appear on the skin 
of a patient who is already close to death.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:46 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the
Dali Lama these days, unless it is a publicity gimmick?


Uh...Dalai Lama. The Dali Lama was a surrealistic
figure in one of Salvador Dali's paintings, this
melted guy in ochre robes dripping over a table. :-)


Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows
the boss from getting his hands dirty with the peasants.


The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom
one could pretty well class as a peon, since I
am not rich and am not a member of any established
Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in
public several times and meet with him privately
for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.



Same here. He was very accessible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stunning new Cassini photos of Saturn

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index.cfm

Thanks for the link- I am really enjoying the close ups of Saturn's 
rings.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I must be writing in too short phrases to be understood, sorry.  I am
 saying that not striking first is a stupid myth in actual fighting.
 The second striker ends up on the mat in this video.  The second
 striker gets set up for getting knocked out by the guy striking first,
 like a human chess game. Once a guy lands one blow,  it sets up a
 dangerous sequence, so your best bet is to strike first and control
 the pace of the fight.  There are many silly myths in martial art's
 movies that fall apart in the ring.  Trained fighters don't lose their
 balance as they are hitting you.  Because they are in balance as they
 strike, they can follow up with another strike or take you to the
 ground for a submission.  The guy he knocks out was my favorite guy
 because he is a Jiu Jitsu expert and would have won on the ground. 
 But the first striker never let it get that far.
 
 Is that clear or am I still missing your point?

Trained martial artists go off balance, just like untrained martial artists. 
Just not as much.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  I'm not talking about getting to see him. I doubt very 
  much that the Dalai Lama lavishes jewels and expensive 
  clothes and cushy digs on the important people while 
  treating the little people as expendable commodities.
 
 From what I have been given to understand from
 friends who have worked with him closely for 
 decades, it is the exact opposite. The Dalai Lama
 hates the publicity shots with the rich and famous, 
 and tends to come alive and interact joyously with
 everyday journeyman monks who do the grunt
 work of spreading Tibetan Buddhism.
 
 To put this in perspective, that would be like
 Maharishi giving a special audience to the guy
 who had worked his butt off in the field to spread
 TM and, as a result, had initiated over 1000 people
 within a year, while ignoring the person who was 
 standing there with a check for Big Bucks in his 
 hand.
 
 I mention this not as metaphor but as something
 I actually saw happen. Only in reverse. Maharishi
 blew off the initiator who had taught (at the time)
 the most people in TM movement history within one
 year, and spent his entire time hobnobbing with a
 German who had become a TM teacher years before,
 had never taught TM to anyone in his life, but who
 had a check for measly sum (at that time) of 100K
 in his hand. And this was back in the Seventies,
 before the lust for money became *really* out
 of hand.
 
 I repost here something I posted on TM-Free this
 morning, as a comment to a thread that dealt with
 the coronation of the latest Raj Rajeshwari.
 
 Betty writes (in a comment to Gina's post):
 I was never aware of the shame of not being 
 wealthy until I went on TTC.
 
 An interesting and accurate perception, Betty. 
 I can only say that it wasn't always that way. 
 On my TTC back in 1972, the vast majority of 
 us were poor folk, having had to scrape up 
 the money to attend TTC however we could, and 
 having done so because we had a desire to help 
 other poor folk like ourselves to learn to 
 meditate.
 
 But back then learning to meditate the TM way 
 cost $35 to $75. That was before Maharishi 
 started equating being rich with being highly 
 evolved, and equating giving as much of those 
 riches to him as possible with being even more 
 highly evolved.
 
 One of the saddest things you can see in any 
 spiritual tradition is this transition. In the 
 beginning, putting one's life on the line to 
 help others is viewed as good karma, and as an 
 indication of one's spiritual worth. But in the 
 last days of any dying spiritual organization, 
 only cutting a check is seen as indicative of 
 one's spiritual worth.
 
 The costumes and the pomp and circumstance of 
 coronations such as this one are just the 
 surface symptoms of a greater dis-ease. They 
 are like the carcinomas that appear on the skin 
 of a patient who is already close to death.

All of this reads a lot better without the frequent conclusions 
sprinkled throughout. Though it is tempting for the mind to safely 
jump to conclusions, it is far more interesting not to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[claudiouk]

I agree with OffWorld. Democracy gives the people the chance to get 
rid of worthless rulers without a civil war. It provides this crucial 
safety net as a MINIMUM feature. It doesn't stop an enlightened 
Movement that can provide MAXIMUM benefits to society to NATURALLY 
win power in order to deliver such benefits. But it stops Movements 
PRETENDING to do so from overstaying their welcome.

Therefore it makes NO SENSE to oppose democracy. It is easier to hide 
behind a mystique of superiority, as royalty and the nobility did not 
that long ago, than to face an electorate that can register 
satisfaction or disatisfaction. This way the voice of the people is 
HEARD at least whereas typically in undemocratic systems voicing 
opinions against the ruling elite, even if justified, is dangerous 
and suppressed, usually brutally so.

Apart from deriding democracy I've heard MMY laugh at the concept of 
human rights.. With such a role model, completely sold on the up-down 
flow of knowledge and rights, is it a wonder that most of us are 
resistant to this MISGUIDED trend in the Movement?

Talking of women, for instance, look how all the leaders of the 
Movement now are MEN - women are just mothers now. They are all 
dressed up as if they are Indians - what happened to the idea 
of cultural integrity? Why can't Westerners be THEMSELVES, with 
their own values etc?

The idealization of monarchy assumes truly enlightened and benign 
rulers - an utopian dream; whereas democracy assumes there will be 
conflict of interests and unenlightened tendencies around (which can 
be CLEVERLY camouflaged) hence posits a SAFETY mechanism to MINIMIZE 
such unfortunate but frequent possibilities, as evidenced by the 
WHOLE of recorded history so far..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   Maharishi seems to denounce democracy. ( Damn Democracy )  
   
   I will never accept this, until I see a bunch of people 
literally 
   flying through the air spreading flowers of bliss.   
   
Until then, I will never give up on democracy (and that is 
 nothing 
   to do with Bush's ignorant redneck understanding of the 
 issuejust 
   to be clear for you Busheep warmonger retards)
   
   Where do you stand?
 Make your case.
   
   And...please...don't give us some BS about enlightened Kings.   
Until they are floating through the air dropping gold and 
bliss 
   honey on everyone, they are just dead men walking.
   
   Where do you stand on democracy?
   
   Let us know
  
  Demo + cracy is a wonderful concept: people going about their own
  lives with no interference, or in a more less benign way: the
  oppression of the minority of the majority.
  
  In practice, unfortunately, democracy is neither of this - it's a
  system of government that has proven itself to be highly 
 susceptible
  to perversion through sow-dissension-and-divide-and-rule attacks 
by
  small secret lodges of men seeking power. 
  
  This weakness has been exploited on all scales of human 
 organization:
  from international relations, to inside countries - to this 
list.
 
 
 That is dangerous talk. Go back a couple of hundred years to when 
 women could not vote, blacks could not vote, commoners were lucky 
to 
 get a vote in most countries, and the majority of people were used 
as 
 slaves for the industrial revolution machine. You forget too easily 
 how people strived for the right to a vote, and reason was that the 
 rulers abused them. Never in history has a King sacrificed anything 
 for the people, except when forced to. They always looked down on 
you 
 and used you as a slave. Not only that, they, as dictators 
exploited 
 and raped other countries across the world like it was their divine 
 right.
 
 People here have a total misunderstanding of what Maharishi is 
 saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is the Charioteer, 
 every person is Royalty, every person is divine being, every person 
 is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the Ruler of the 
 Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no kings and 
 subjects. He has simply been leading you down the garden path with 
 that, in order to have people wake up to their own Godhead. 
 
 Democracy is imperfect in the US and elsewhere in some respects, 
but 
 you can vote, and enough of you can change things. For example, 
vote 
 for Al Gore (he will stand), he is a TM'r too. 
 
 
 OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 That is what I am correcting.  It is old school movie martial arts
 nonsense.  Here is an example of the power of the first striker
 setting up the knock out by striking first and causing the reaction he
 then exploits.
 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
 
 Mixed martial arts fighters use the first strike to set up another
 strike or take down.  The problem with waiting for them to strike
 first is that if they connect they often don't stop.  It is like body
 chess.  Check out how skillfully the guy in the red shorts, Sokodjou,
 gets the other fighter to drop his hands with his low kicks.  Then
 lights out!

Assuming two people of equal skill, the person who moves first is off-balance, 
by virtue of 
Newton's Laws.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[qntmpkt]

---Below (Neo-Advaitin baloney that nothing exists).  Factually 
incorect. You are confusing nothing as the null-set with relative 
existence which in itself has no independent existence. By using 
the phrase nothing at all, you fail to discriminate between the two 
classes of nothings.
  In fact, the you - in all people, Enlightened or not, 
is something: some type of biomass AS Consciousness.
 By focusing only on the Nothingness aspect of Brahman, you are 
basically a dualist.  MMY would never fall into this Neo-Advaitin 
trap.  It's pure Communism!.



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You're actually nothing at all. Quite literally
 nothing. In fact, you don't even exist. Never have,
 never will. Never confuse the objects of perception
 with consciousness. 
 
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of off_world_beings
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:08 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about
  democracy (was: Are you
  with us, or against us?)
  
   
  
  People here have a total misunderstanding of what
  Maharishi is 
  saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is
  the Charioteer, 
  every person is Royalty, every person is divine
  being, every person 
  is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the
  Ruler of the 
  Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no
  kings and 
  subjects. 
  
  He says that, but he doesn't run the movement that
  way. The movement is very
  hierarchical. There is a vast difference between the
  ways people at opposite
  ends of the social scale are treated.
  
  
 
 
 
  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.
 
 That's happening a lot today. I think it's a 
 new feature. 
 
  I think I read him right. It is a myth. See 
  what happens to the second striker:
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
 
 Indeed.
 
 It's amusing (to say the least) to read 
 what those who have never really practiced
 the martial arts believe about them.
 
 A great martial artist does NOT go off
 balance when he strikes.

Again, bull.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the 
  Dali Lama these days, unless it is a publicity gimmick?
 
 Uh...Dalai Lama. The Dali Lama was a surrealistic
 figure in one of Salvador Dali's paintings, this
 melted guy in ochre robes dripping over a table. :-)
 
  Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows 
  the boss from getting his hands dirty with the peasants.
 
 The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom
 one could pretty well class as a peon, since I
 am not rich and am not a member of any established
 Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in
 public several times and meet with him privately
 for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.
 
 If a spiritual teacher becomes inaccessible, it's
 because he wants it that way, not because of the
 size of the organization.


Bull.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:46 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the
  Dali Lama these days, unless it is a publicity gimmick?
 
  Uh...Dalai Lama. The Dali Lama was a surrealistic
  figure in one of Salvador Dali's paintings, this
  melted guy in ochre robes dripping over a table. :-)
 
  Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows
  the boss from getting his hands dirty with the peasants.
 
  The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom
  one could pretty well class as a peon, since I
  am not rich and am not a member of any established
  Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in
  public several times and meet with him privately
  for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.
 
 
 Same here. He was very accessible.


Really? How many people are asking to see him?

And to suggest that he doesn't want cash is silly. He has his uses for cash, 
just as MMY 
does. He uses pomp and circumstance quite well:

http://www.dalailama.com/images/pgallery/printable3.jpg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:56 PM, sparaig wrote:


Really? How many people are asking to see him?


A crowd of people (about a hundred or so people), dharma bums,  
various cardinals and religious dignitaries, etc.




And to suggest that he doesn't want cash is silly. He has his uses  
for cash, just as MMY

does. He uses pomp and circumstance quite well:

http://www.dalailama.com/images/pgallery/printable3.jpg


It looks like a formal teaching to me, in which case, he does get all  
decked out and often is in an environment much like a mandala.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:42 AM, authfriend wrote:

 Oh, hmm, you snipped that part too, didn't you?

 Fine, I'll snip the rest of yours.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[matrixmonitor]

---Virtually all Gurus grovel for money.  However, The Dalai Lama may 
not secretly store it away like some others.  Also, the Dalai Lama 
makes himself rather accessible - mingling with scientists, 
reporters; and at least fielding questions from various outsiders. 
reporters. He appeared on CNN appealing for people to be 
compassionate after Katrina.  MMY OTOH only surrounds himself with 
sycophants.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:46 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
  
   Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the
   Dali Lama these days, unless it is a publicity gimmick?
  
   Uh...Dalai Lama. The Dali Lama was a surrealistic
   figure in one of Salvador Dali's paintings, this
   melted guy in ochre robes dripping over a table. :-)
  
   Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows
   the boss from getting his hands dirty with the peasants.
  
   The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom
   one could pretty well class as a peon, since I
   am not rich and am not a member of any established
   Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in
   public several times and meet with him privately
   for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.
  
  
  Same here. He was very accessible.
 
 
 Really? How many people are asking to see him?
 
 And to suggest that he doesn't want cash is silly. He has his uses 
for cash, just as MMY 
 does. He uses pomp and circumstance quite well:
 
 http://www.dalailama.com/images/pgallery/printable3.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 [...]
  Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands
  attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this
  post is written in earnest and then internalize it.
 
 
 It really does go both ways, Peter.


Only if you are an intellectually dishonest person who censor the key
points of your fellow contributors followed by pretending it means
something else than it does.

 ... Peter Klutz ... Signing off

[TRANSMISSION ENDED] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:52 PM, qntmpkt wrote:


---Below (Neo-Advaitin baloney that nothing exists).  Factually
incorect. You are confusing nothing as the null-set with relative
existence which in itself has no independent existence. By using
the phrase nothing at all, you fail to discriminate between the two
classes of nothings.
  In fact, the you - in all people, Enlightened or not,
is something: some type of biomass AS Consciousness.
 By focusing only on the Nothingness aspect of Brahman, you are
basically a dualist.


Did you mean to say Nihilist?

---
Mr. Duncan Greenlees, Madanapalli, wrote as follows:- One has at  
times had vivid flashes of a consciousness whose centre is outside  
the normal self and which seems to be inclusive. Without concerning  
the mind with philosophical concepts, how would Bhagavan advise us to  
work towards getting, retaining and extending those flashes? Does  
abhyasa in such experiences involve retirement?


Sri Bhagavan answered: ‘Outside’ - For whom is inside or outside?  
They can be only so long as there are the subject and object. For  
whom are these two again? They both will resolve into the subject  
only. See who is in the subject. The investigation leads you to pure  
consciousness beyond the subject. Normal self is the mind. This mind  
is with limitations. But pure consciousness is beyond limitations and  
reached by investigation asabove outlined.


Getting - Self is always there. One seeks to destroy the obstacles to  
the revelation of the Self.


Retaining - Having once gained the Self it will be understood to be  
Here and Now. It is never lost.


Extending - There is no extending the Self, for it is always without  
contraction or expansion.


Retirement - Abiding in the Self is solitude. Because there is  
nothing alien to the Self. Retirement must be from some one place to  
another. There is neither the one nor the other apart from the Self.  
All being the Self, retirement is impossible and inconsistent.  
Abhyasa is investigation into the Self.


- Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live, In-person gathering of FFL - to revitalize discussions

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
 On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 
 Dare I suggest that, in the spirit of the IA
 course, we have some kind of formal application
 procedure? I propose that, rather than having
 to fill out a form and swear that one has not
 egaged in any Off The Program activities lately,
 each applicant will just need to stand at the
 doorway and tell a joke. If everyone laughs at
 the joke, the applicant will be admitted immed-
 iately. If no one laughs at the joke, the
 applicant will still be admitted, but everyone
 will know to avoid them if they want to have
 a good time.  :-)
   
 And then we issue badges, and threaten people with 
 vague terrors if they so much as misplace theirs 
 for even a minute or two.
 

 But our badges won't have photos on them to
 identify the partygoers, only a smileyface
 logo, the same one for everyone. That way, if
 you misplace your badge, you can steal some-
 one else's, and they'll have to go before
 the Inquisition instead of you.
Actually that could be a problem as someone could claim to be one of the 
anonymous of us, so to be wise and get a head count on who is going to 
attend there out to be registration by email with a registration code 
that you give to get the badge or name sticker.  Of course I find new 
age types very good at forgetting little details like that, space cadets.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---Virtually all Gurus grovel for money.  However, The Dalai Lama 
may 
 not secretly store it away like some others.  Also, the Dalai Lama 
 makes himself rather accessible - mingling with scientists, 
 reporters; and at least fielding questions from various outsiders. 
 reporters. He appeared on CNN appealing for people to be 
 compassionate after Katrina.  MMY OTOH only surrounds himself with 
 sycophants.
 
what's the problem? go follow the Dalai Lama around then.

[FairfieldLife] for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace

[george_deforest]

for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace ... called: The
Frogs (LOL!)

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=150\
8406437
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=15\
08406437


French self parody?  Whats up with That??

[FairfieldLife] Lost...and found

[TurquoiseB]

This post is for those warped few among you who,
like me, have been following the ABC television
series called Lost since the beginning. Those 
who have missed it may safely hit 'Next' or 'Delete' 
at this point, secure in the knowledge that you will 
miss nothing further.

Ok...so Lost, Season 3 has pretty much sucked up
to now. It's been all about That Other Island, and
the soap-opera like plots involving Kate And Sawyer
And Jack And Who Gets To Sleep With Whom. And then
came episode 8, Flashes Before Your Eyes, where
we got to see more of Des' story, and our Hope was
renewed.

Then, toying with us, episode 9 took us back to The
Boring Island, and back to the story of Jack And His 
Self-Important Samskaras. Hope was dashed upon the 
reef.

But FINALLY, with episode 10, Tricia Tanaka Is Dead,
the writers involve us again with the *other* inter-
esting character on the Non-Boring Island, Hurley,
and Hope is renewed.

That's because this episode is all *about* Hope, and
its importance in life, and in the human condition.

Hugo (Hurley) is one of the great characters of spirit-
ual cinema, easily 'way up there in its pantheon alongside 
Philbert in Powwow Highway. And in this episode Hurley
gets to go on a Castanedan dance to death and risk 
everything in the pursuit of Hope.

Hope isn't about belief in what you've been told, or 
about dogma, or about what makes sense. Often it's the
very opposite, about what makes NO sense at all. But
sometimes those dances with irrationality WORK OUT,
dude, and when they do...well, what happens is MAGIC.

So here's a toast to irrationality, and to occasionally
doing stuff that makes no sense at all, and that makes
everyone around you assume that you're crazy and back
off from you the way they do with other crazies. And 
here's a similar toast to those times when the seem-
ingly irrational acts WORK OUT, and when it becomes
obvious even to the scoffers and back off-ers that it
really *has* WORKED OUT, and they gather around the 
person who only moments before they were scoffing at 
and backing off from and slap him on the back and give 
him high fives.

Those are the moments in life that make it worth living.
And those are the moments on television that make it
worth watching. They are rare in both life and on TV,
so treasure them when you find them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was in a strip club in Florida once...(sounds like a first 
 scene from a Tarantino flick) when I realized that I was 
 basically surrounded by members of the Pagan biker club.  
 Not pretty boy new Harley yuppies, but actual meth dealing 
 outlaws who NEVER washed their threads. I asked the bouncer 
 if they ever cause trouble.  He told me that the bikers only 
 fight for real, never as play, so they don't cause random 
 trouble. If they have a good reason they just swarm you
 and kill you, usually over business.  There is no fight.  

That's it, exactly. Real violence, if it doesn't
involve you, is over before you realize it's 
happening. All too often, it is over that quickly
even when it *does* involve you.

 The guys who start the trouble are the young military guys 
 fighting over women.

When are guys going to figure out that chemically,
alcohol and testosterone *really* don't mix well?

  That fits my experience in clubs in D.C. with jar heads.  
 One pitcher of beer and if anyone looks at their girl 
 they start the windmill of punches.
 
 The biker's small talk with the strippers was fascinating 
 in a way that demented guys like you and I live for!

Have you ever read Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test?
The scene at Limekiln Creek where Kesey tells the
story of some Hells Angels and what happened 
there on the beach?

As weirdness would have it, I was there at Lime-
kiln Creek for that particular Love-In. I was
stoned out of my ever-lovin' gourd, the very
model of this peace-lovin' college hippie who
didn't really know his way around on the street
very well. And so, after imbibing of several 
hits of something that came in a bottle still
labeled 'Sandoz,' I found myself wandering
around on the beach, late at night.

I tripped on the ocean for a while, wading in it,
digging the phosphorescence on the waves, all that
normal acid stuff. And then I turned around and
started walking back to the main campground area. 
But before I got there I noticed this buncha guys
sittin' around a campfire on the beach, having
what seemed to me in my stoned state to be a real 
rip-roarer of a Good Time. So I walked over in their
direction and walked up to one of the guys and
asked if I could join them. There was a pause, one
that I should have paid more attention to, but
then the guy said, Sure, and passed me both a
joint and a big gallon jug of Red Mountain wine.

So we sat there passing the joints and the jugs
for a while, havin' just a rockin' time with all
these happy bearded fellows, and this guy walks past 
the group. To this day I don't know what set it off. 
He might have accidentally kicked sand on one of the 
Hells Angels I was sitting with, or he might have 
looked at one of them funny, or he might not have 
done anything at all. It was already going on before 
I could ponder any of those questions, and it was 
over before I could have come to any conclusion.

For those of you who haven't read the book, what
it was that happened is that in the middle of this
Equinox Love-In at Limekiln Creek in Big Sur, on one
of the loveliest beaches on the planet, a group of
the Hells Angels I'd been sitting with, sharing joints
and a big jug of Red Mountain with...grooving on and
bonding with, ferchrissakes...jumped up and ran over 
to the guy and beat him to a bloody pulp. Ponder that.
Bloody pulp. And then they came back to where I was 
sitting and passed me the jug.

Violence isn't like the way they portray it in most
movies. The action scenes in the movies are far too
slow. Real life is much faster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace ... 
 called: The Frogs (LOL!)
 
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=150\8406437
 
 French self parody?  Whats up with That??

Many thanks, George. You simply cannot know how
funny this is until you live here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 My first response seems to have been eaten my the Yahoo monster.  I
 think I read him right.  It is a myth.  See what happens  to the
 second striker:
 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QNmx1v2I0Q
 
 If my other post shows up you can read my commentary.

And the second guy was an ox with no skill.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:28 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was:
Are you with us, or against us?)

The last time the Dalai Lama was in Paris, I (whom

one could pretty well class as a peon, since I

am not rich and am not a member of any established

Tibetan Buddhist sangha) was able to see him in

public several times and meet with him privately

for a few moments. He didn't ask me for a centime.

 

 

Same here. He was very accessible.

 

[FairfieldLife] Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[quantum packet]

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My Tibetan retreat guide described the maintenance of self-discipline over time like keeping a pot heating on a stove. If we continually remove it from the heat the pot never boils. Similarly he felt that when someone enters into the discipline of retreat, it should be maintained as rigorously as possible. In doing so the alchemical vessel will be maintained, and the "cooking" can take place. Transformation only occurs when the vessel is maintained in this way.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---Virtually all Gurus grovel for money.  However, The Dalai Lama may 
 not secretly store it away like some others.  Also, the Dalai Lama 
 makes himself rather accessible - mingling with scientists, 
 reporters; and at least fielding questions from various outsiders. 
 reporters. He appeared on CNN appealing for people to be 
 compassionate after Katrina.  MMY OTOH only surrounds himself with 
 sycophants.
 

You don't remember the 60's, eh?

Here's a hint: SCI Symposium.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:42 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Oh, hmm, you snipped that part too, didn't you?
 
  Fine, I'll snip the rest of yours.
 
  snip
 
 And *I'll* snip *both* of yours, d*mmit!
 
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 snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip 
 
 So there.


What IS it about women and snipping things?

There are times when being my age and being
single doesn't bother me AT ALL.




:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
  [...]
   Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands
   attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this
   post is written in earnest and then internalize it.
  
  
  It really does go both ways, Peter.
 
 
 Only if you are an intellectually dishonest person who censor the key
 points of your fellow contributors followed by pretending it means
 something else than it does.
 
  ... Peter Klutz ... Signing off
 
 [TRANSMISSION ENDED]


Gotta watch that adrenaline-surge when you sign off...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stunning new Cassini photos of Saturn

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index.cfm
 
 Thanks for the link- I am really enjoying the close ups of Saturn's 
 rings.

When I saw the story that contained the link, I
thought to myself, Ho hum, more pictures of Saturn.
But I clicked on it just for the heck of it and was
glad I did--I've never seen any like these before.

What always gets me about the rings is the edge-on
views.  They're so thin and delicate, at least 
relative to Saturn's bulk.

Have you ever seen Saturn through a really good
observatory telescope?  Ironically, it doesn't
look real, it looks like a painting.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[Vaj]

This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of  
the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or  
spiritual warrior.


Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you  
posted on)--epitomizes such a path.


Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me, I  
should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is  
free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of  
course, good reads.


;-)

On Mar 2, 2007, at 7:35 PM, quantum packet wrote:




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Dharma Quote of the Week


Self-discipline brings us into relationship with one of the six  
perfections of the bodhisattva, that of enthusiastic perseverance,  
which implies the willingness to engage in a process with effort  
and enthusiasm over a prolonged period. No material or spiritual  
qualities are gained without some degree of effort. Perseverance  
enables the practitioner to carry on and trust in the process, even  
when it feels hopeless. It makes it possible to face difficulties  
and obstacles in the path with confidence and courage, rather than  
giving up because it feels too hard. Self-discipline helps us  
remain in the vessel and not run away.


My Tibetan retreat guide described the maintenance of self- 
discipline over time like keeping a pot heating on a stove. If we  
continually remove it from the heat the pot never boils. Similarly  
he felt that when someone enters into the discipline of retreat, it  
should be maintained as rigorously as possible. In doing so the  
alchemical vessel will be maintained, and the cooking can take  
place. Transformation only occurs when the vessel is maintained in  
this way.


--from The Psychology of Buddhist Tantra, by Rob Preece, foreword  
by Stephen Batchelor, published by Snow Lion Publications




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[FairfieldLife] Re: for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace

[george_deforest]

  for Barry - French self-parody music video on MySpace ... 
  called: The Frogs (LOL!)
  
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=1508406437
  
  French self parody?  Whats up with That??
 
 Many thanks, George. You simply cannot know how
 funny this is until you live here.

quite so: i figured most of the joke was over my head, but
that you'd probably get it ... glad you liked!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lost...and found

[gullible fool]

What I can't figure out, Barry, is how come after over
two years of eating berries, the big guy on Lost still
weighs like 400 pounds. Tom Hanks lost about 60 pounds
for his role in Cast Away. 
 
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This post is for those warped few among you who,
 like me, have been following the ABC television
 series called Lost since the beginning. Those 
 who have missed it may safely hit 'Next' or 'Delete'
 
 at this point, secure in the knowledge that you will
 
 miss nothing further.
 
 Ok...so Lost, Season 3 has pretty much sucked up
 to now. It's been all about That Other Island, and
 the soap-opera like plots involving Kate And Sawyer
 And Jack And Who Gets To Sleep With Whom. And then
 came episode 8, Flashes Before Your Eyes, where
 we got to see more of Des' story, and our Hope was
 renewed.
 
 Then, toying with us, episode 9 took us back to The
 Boring Island, and back to the story of Jack And His
 
 Self-Important Samskaras. Hope was dashed upon the 
 reef.
 
 But FINALLY, with episode 10, Tricia Tanaka Is
 Dead,
 the writers involve us again with the *other* inter-
 esting character on the Non-Boring Island, Hurley,
 and Hope is renewed.
 
 That's because this episode is all *about* Hope, and
 its importance in life, and in the human condition.
 
 Hugo (Hurley) is one of the great characters of
 spirit-
 ual cinema, easily 'way up there in its pantheon
 alongside 
 Philbert in Powwow Highway. And in this episode
 Hurley
 gets to go on a Castanedan dance to death and risk
 
 everything in the pursuit of Hope.
 
 Hope isn't about belief in what you've been told, or
 
 about dogma, or about what makes sense. Often it's
 the
 very opposite, about what makes NO sense at all. But
 sometimes those dances with irrationality WORK OUT,
 dude, and when they do...well, what happens is
 MAGIC.
 
 So here's a toast to irrationality, and to
 occasionally
 doing stuff that makes no sense at all, and that
 makes
 everyone around you assume that you're crazy and
 back
 off from you the way they do with other crazies. And
 
 here's a similar toast to those times when the seem-
 ingly irrational acts WORK OUT, and when it becomes
 obvious even to the scoffers and back off-ers that
 it
 really *has* WORKED OUT, and they gather around the 
 person who only moments before they were scoffing at
 
 and backing off from and slap him on the back and
 give 
 him high fives.
 
 Those are the moments in life that make it worth
 living.
 And those are the moments on television that make it
 worth watching. They are rare in both life and on
 TV,
 so treasure them when you find them.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Vaj wrote:

This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of  
the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or  
spiritual warrior.


Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you  
posted on)--epitomizes such a path.


Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me,  
I should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is  
free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of  
course, good reads.


;-)


Here's a fuller response I gave when quantumpacket (and various  
other trigonometric names) cross-posted the exact same FFL message  
to TMTrue:


This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of
the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or
spiritual warrior.

Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you
posted on)--epitomizes such a path.

Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me, I
should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is
free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of
course, good reads.

;-)

BTW Quant, please feel free to contact me offlist if you have any
questions. The effort myth is probably one of the greatest
falsehoods perpetuated by TM adherents and marketeers. I say TM
adherents because Mahesh Varma, the Maharishi, corrected this
misperception long ago at a Teacher Training Course held at Estes Park.
Unfortunately the purity of the tradition has been compromised ever
since as younger zealots parrot these same falsehoods.

Interestingly to more recent yogis, this level of distinction is
absolutely transparent, as I've seen others directly question this
false belief as TMers tried to push this dogma on other, more
knowledgeable yogis. So do yourself and others a favor, and spread
the truth!

Peace,

Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of sparaig
 Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:17 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are
 you with us, or against us?)
 
  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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  On Behalf Of off_world_beings
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:08 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you
  with us, or against us?)
  
  
  
  People here have a total misunderstanding of what Maharishi is 
  saying. He is (and always has said) that Brahman is the Charioteer, 
  every person is Royalty, every person is divine being, every person 
  is the Cosmic Administrator, every person in the Ruler of the 
  Universe, every person is a Maharishi. There are no kings and 
  subjects. 
  
  He says that, but he doesn't run the movement that way. The movement is
 very
  hierarchical. There is a vast difference between the ways people at
 opposite
  ends of the social scale are treated.
 
 
 Do you really think that peons get a chance to see the Dali Lama these days,
 unless it is a 
 publicity gimmick?
 
 Past a certain size, organizational structure disallows the boss from
 getting his hands dirty 
 with the peasants.
 
 I'm not talking about getting to see him. I doubt very much that the Dali
 Lama lavishes jewels and expensive clothes and cushy digs on the important
 people while treating the little people as expendable commodities.


Have you ever been an important person to the Dali Lama?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lost...and found

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 This post is for those warped few among you who,
 like me, have been following the ABC television
 series called Lost since the beginning. Those 
 who have missed it may safely hit 'Next' or 'Delete' 
 at this point, secure in the knowledge that you will 
 miss nothing further.

 Ok...so Lost, Season 3 has pretty much sucked up
 to now. It's been all about That Other Island, and
 the soap-opera like plots involving Kate And Sawyer
 And Jack And Who Gets To Sleep With Whom. And then
 came episode 8, Flashes Before Your Eyes, where
 we got to see more of Des' story, and our Hope was
 renewed.

 Then, toying with us, episode 9 took us back to The
 Boring Island, and back to the story of Jack And His 
 Self-Important Samskaras. Hope was dashed upon the 
 reef.

 But FINALLY, with episode 10, Tricia Tanaka Is Dead,
 the writers involve us again with the *other* inter-
 esting character on the Non-Boring Island, Hurley,
 and Hope is renewed.

 That's because this episode is all *about* Hope, and
 its importance in life, and in the human condition.

 Hugo (Hurley) is one of the great characters of spirit-
 ual cinema, easily 'way up there in its pantheon alongside 
 Philbert in Powwow Highway. And in this episode Hurley
 gets to go on a Castanedan dance to death and risk 
 everything in the pursuit of Hope.

 Hope isn't about belief in what you've been told, or 
 about dogma, or about what makes sense. Often it's the
 very opposite, about what makes NO sense at all. But
 sometimes those dances with irrationality WORK OUT,
 dude, and when they do...well, what happens is MAGIC.

 So here's a toast to irrationality, and to occasionally
 doing stuff that makes no sense at all, and that makes
 everyone around you assume that you're crazy and back
 off from you the way they do with other crazies. And 
 here's a similar toast to those times when the seem-
 ingly irrational acts WORK OUT, and when it becomes
 obvious even to the scoffers and back off-ers that it
 really *has* WORKED OUT, and they gather around the 
 person who only moments before they were scoffing at 
 and backing off from and slap him on the back and give 
 him high fives.

 Those are the moments in life that make it worth living.
 And those are the moments on television that make it
 worth watching. They are rare in both life and on TV,
 so treasure them when you find them.
Yup, it was a good episode.  You forgot to mention that Cheech Marin 
played Hurley's dad.

I recommend The Return as a good supernatural thriller with Sarah 
Geller and Sam Shepard which released on DVD Tuesday.  Be sure to watch 
the alternate ending which *should* have been used IMO.   I also saw 
The Number 23 yesterday and was not knocked.  It will make an 
entertaining rental.  The earthquake last night was more thrilling.

[FairfieldLife] The Beatles Biggest Secrets

[Vaj]

The Beatles Biggest Secrets

On BBC America 3/3/07 10:00 PM

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/200/index.jsp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lost...and found

[curtisdeltablues]

I saw Black Snake Moan today and really dug it.  They even use video
clips of Son House and fantastic music by the late RL Burnside, one of
my favorite North Mississippi bluesmen. They dedicated the movie to
him.  Christina Ricci rocks in a tough role, and Samuel Jackson does a
great job.  He even sings some good blues.   Even Justin Timberlake,
who I wanted to hate, steps up and gets it right.  Check out the site:
 
http://www.moanmovie.com/


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TurquoiseB wrote:
  This post is for those warped few among you who,
  like me, have been following the ABC television
  series called Lost since the beginning. Those 
  who have missed it may safely hit 'Next' or 'Delete' 
  at this point, secure in the knowledge that you will 
  miss nothing further.
 
  Ok...so Lost, Season 3 has pretty much sucked up
  to now. It's been all about That Other Island, and
  the soap-opera like plots involving Kate And Sawyer
  And Jack And Who Gets To Sleep With Whom. And then
  came episode 8, Flashes Before Your Eyes, where
  we got to see more of Des' story, and our Hope was
  renewed.
 
  Then, toying with us, episode 9 took us back to The
  Boring Island, and back to the story of Jack And His 
  Self-Important Samskaras. Hope was dashed upon the 
  reef.
 
  But FINALLY, with episode 10, Tricia Tanaka Is Dead,
  the writers involve us again with the *other* inter-
  esting character on the Non-Boring Island, Hurley,
  and Hope is renewed.
 
  That's because this episode is all *about* Hope, and
  its importance in life, and in the human condition.
 
  Hugo (Hurley) is one of the great characters of spirit-
  ual cinema, easily 'way up there in its pantheon alongside 
  Philbert in Powwow Highway. And in this episode Hurley
  gets to go on a Castanedan dance to death and risk 
  everything in the pursuit of Hope.
 
  Hope isn't about belief in what you've been told, or 
  about dogma, or about what makes sense. Often it's the
  very opposite, about what makes NO sense at all. But
  sometimes those dances with irrationality WORK OUT,
  dude, and when they do...well, what happens is MAGIC.
 
  So here's a toast to irrationality, and to occasionally
  doing stuff that makes no sense at all, and that makes
  everyone around you assume that you're crazy and back
  off from you the way they do with other crazies. And 
  here's a similar toast to those times when the seem-
  ingly irrational acts WORK OUT, and when it becomes
  obvious even to the scoffers and back off-ers that it
  really *has* WORKED OUT, and they gather around the 
  person who only moments before they were scoffing at 
  and backing off from and slap him on the back and give 
  him high fives.
 
  Those are the moments in life that make it worth living.
  And those are the moments on television that make it
  worth watching. They are rare in both life and on TV,
  so treasure them when you find them.
 Yup, it was a good episode.  You forgot to mention that Cheech Marin 
 played Hurley's dad.
 
 I recommend The Return as a good supernatural thriller with Sarah 
 Geller and Sam Shepard which released on DVD Tuesday.  Be sure to watch 
 the alternate ending which *should* have been used IMO.   I also saw 
 The Number 23 yesterday and was not knocked.  It will make an 
 entertaining rental.  The earthquake last night was more thrilling.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of  
  the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or  
  spiritual warrior.
 
  Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you  
  posted on)--epitomizes such a path.
 
  Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me,  
  I should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is  
  free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of  
  course, good reads.
 
  ;-)
 
 Here's a fuller response I gave when quantumpacket (and various  
 other trigonometric names) cross-posted the exact same FFL message  
 to TMTrue:
 
 This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of
 the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or
 spiritual warrior.
 
 Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you
 posted on)--epitomizes such a path.
 
 Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me, I
 should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is
 free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of
 course, good reads.
 
 ;-)
 
 BTW Quant, please feel free to contact me offlist if you have any
 questions. The effort myth is probably one of the greatest
 falsehoods perpetuated by TM adherents and marketeers. I say TM
 adherents because Mahesh Varma, the Maharishi, corrected this
 misperception long ago at a Teacher Training Course held at Estes Park.
 Unfortunately the purity of the tradition has been compromised ever
 since as younger zealots parrot these same falsehoods.
 
 Interestingly to more recent yogis, this level of distinction is
 absolutely transparent, as I've seen others directly question this
 false belief as TMers tried to push this dogma on other, more
 knowledgeable yogis. So do yourself and others a favor, and spread
 the truth!
 
 Peace,
 
 Vaj


LOL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of  
  the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or  
  spiritual warrior.
 
  Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you  
  posted on)--epitomizes such a path.
 
  Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me,  
  I should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is  
  free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of  
  course, good reads.
 
  ;-)
 
 Here's a fuller response I gave when quantumpacket (and various  
 other trigonometric names) cross-posted the exact same FFL message  
 to TMTrue:
 
 This is the same style of effort Patanjali talks of in Pada 4 of
 the yoga-sutra. Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or
 spiritual warrior.
 
 Typical for any graduated path--and of course the Lam Rim (what you
 posted on)--epitomizes such a path.
 
 Thanks for sharing these quotes quant! I enjoy them. It reminds me, I
 should renew my subscription to the Snow Lion newspaper which is
 free. A great resource for those seeking higher initiation and of
 course, good reads.
 
 ;-)
 
 BTW Quant, please feel free to contact me offlist if you have any
 questions. The effort myth is probably one of the greatest
 falsehoods perpetuated by TM adherents and marketeers. I say TM
 adherents because Mahesh Varma, the Maharishi, corrected this
 misperception long ago at a Teacher Training Course held at Estes Park.
 Unfortunately the purity of the tradition has been compromised ever
 since as younger zealots parrot these same falsehoods.
 
 Interestingly to more recent yogis, this level of distinction is
 absolutely transparent, as I've seen others directly question this
 false belief as TMers tried to push this dogma on other, more
 knowledgeable yogis. So do yourself and others a favor, and spread
 the truth!
 
 Peace,
 
 Vaj


BTW, Vaj (or is it ColdBlueIce), where is it documented that his name is Varma?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also the yogic idea of virya, the inner hero or  
 spiritual warrior.

Hey, don't kid yourself, big boy. We're just meditating house 
holders...no big deal. Average folks.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

[Peter]

Your point being...???

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[FairfieldLife] Doughnut blooper

[authfriend]

A TV station in Atlanta came badly a-cropper after
apparently using Google image search to locate a
graphic they could use to illustrate a story featuring
Krispy Kreme Donuts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UyTOeee8hQ

If you can't read the words in the graphic, here's
the original image:

http://s02.picshome.com/3e3/krispy-kreme.jpg

Oopsie...

[FairfieldLife] Everybody Knows...

[Vaj]

Rufus susses Leonard...

http://snipurl.com/1bw6t-TO4Z8F

(Probably requires a recent version of QT that appreciates AAC...)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Side of The Lost Tomb of Jesus

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 2, 2007, at 4:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


What IS it about women and snipping things?

There are times when being my age and being
single doesn't bother me AT ALL.


I'd noticed people getting a bit snippy here and there, so I thought 
I'd join in.


Sal