[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: What we do has consequences and we should not limit our focus to self realization or enlightenment, but to doing good. snip The criteria for doing good are first Do no harm, or at the very least *try* to do no harm, and second, try to do things that have the instantaneous karmic effect of elevating your own state of attention. IMO *that* is one of the only indicators we have that we are doing good. What I couldn't agree with less is his sugges- tion that the enlightened can do anything they want and actually be enlightened. In my book the enlightened still produce karma, and thus still can create negative karma and suffer the results of it if they perform negative actions. Being able to do anything they want is lazy philosophy, and the top of a very slippery slide into Hell. Ruth, doing good, in my book, comes from a place of arrogance. It implies that one knows what is good in the first place, and then one executes the correct performance flawlessly. You are probably using the words differently than I am, but whenever I see the phrase doing good in this context, my neckhairs bristle and I check to make sure my weapons are handy. I strongly resonate with the quote by C.S. Lewis, It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. So I pursue the route, like Turq pointed out, of first doing no harm. Years ago I went through a turning point during which I committed what I thought was a series of The Most Regrettable Actions of My Life. These actions were taken, by the way, fully in the quest of doing good for my then-boyfriend. It was after realizing my folly that I decided to take the very humble and modest approach of doing only no harm (in my judgment, which I was severely questioning at the time), and very carefully take notice at several checkpoints how things turned out, so that I could change direction as soon as I noticed any problems developing. I'm giving all this background to stress that the important thing is that I was paying very close attention to motives, actions and results. What I noticed was that when my motive was to benefit myself, things kind of muddled along. When my motive was to benefit my children, things went better for all of us. Sometimes a course of action would, by coincidence, benefit EVERYONE it touched -- self, children, friends, and even my opponents or enemies. THESE courses of action, I learned, were the best of all. These actions benefitted me the most and my children the most. And they didn't harm anyone, even people I really disliked (not that I was too worried about them, but as I'm counting the tallies, there's the data). So I decided to more consciously seek these actions, the ones that benefitted everyone, not because I was altruistic, but because everything just worked out so much better (left better lies, to put it in billiards terms) when I found the middle way, the way lying above the other choices which seemed to benefit one at the expense of another. Putting this into a nutshell, I pursue actions which seem, to my limited perception, to resonate with the Force and to align with the Flow. I'm not picking on you, Ruth. Go ahead and call it doing good if that's what it means to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I couldn't agree with less is his sugges- tion that the enlightened can do anything they want and actually be enlightened. In my book the enlightened still produce karma, and thus still can create negative karma and suffer the results of it if they perform negative actions. Being able to do anything they want is lazy philosophy, big snip Turq, regarding enlightened people doing whatever they want, it's important to define enlightened and want. Perhaps an enlightened person would not *want* to do something harmful to someone else. In other words, their motives may be different. Maybe enlightenment, in this sense, is a lot more rare than other definitions would have it. This theory would also mean that since some actions would not be wanted by the aforementioned enlightened, then people taking those actions would thereby not be defined as enlightened. In my fifth spin around the spiral, I'm getting a bit of a headache. :-]
[FairfieldLife] Iran oil bourse opened 17 February
http://wikileaks.be/wiki/Wikileaks http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html Iranian Oil Bourse by Krassimir Petrov the economic foundation of every single empire is the taxation of other nations. The imperial ability to tax has always rested on a better and stronger economy, and as a consequence, a better and stronger military. One part of the subject taxes went to improve the living standards of the empire; the other part went to strengthen the military dominance necessary to enforce the collection of those taxes. Historically, taxing the subject state has been in various forms— usually gold and silver, where those were considered money, but also slaves, soldiers, crops, cattle, or other agricultural and natural resources, whatever economic goods the empire demanded and the subject- state could deliver. Historically, imperial taxation has always been direct: the subject state handed over the economic goods directly to the empire. For the first time in history, in the twentieth century, America was able to tax the world indirectly, through inflation. It did not enforce the direct payment of taxes like all of its predecessor empires did, but distributed instead its own fiat currency, the U.S. Dollar, to other nations in exchange for goods with the intended consequence of inflating and devaluing those dollars and paying back later each dollar with less economic goods—the difference capturing the U.S. imperial tax. Here is how this happened. http://www.energybulletin.net/40371.html only six Honda Accords built by hand http://tinyurl.com/372wye The voice is that of Garrison Keiller. Living past 90, and living well, may be more than a matter of good genes and good luck. Five behaviors in elderly men are associated not only with living into extreme old age, a new study has found, but also with good health and independent functioning. The behaviors are abstaining from smoking, weight management, blood pressure control, regular exercise and avoidingdiabetes. The study reports that all are significantly correlated with healthy survival after 90. While it is hardly astonishing that choices like not smoking are associated with longer life, it is significant that these behaviors in the early elderly years — all of them modifiable — so strongly predict survival into extreme old age. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/health/19agin.html Herbs, Hypnosis May Ease Pain in the ___ http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/herbs-hypnosis-may-ease-common-bowel-pain/ Inside the Mind of the Boy Dating Your Daughter http://tinyurl.com/273se5 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Brahman alone is real, this world is unreal; the Jiva is identical with Brahman. That would be Advaita philosophy but part of that statement is argument which is used by mayavada philosophers. Shankara introduced concept of maya or illusion of the world and with that he actually introduced concept of qualified monism. Shankara also introduced concept of nirguna and saguna Brahman which is difficult to fit in concept of pure monism, so Shankara's Advaita or better to say mayavada fails to be pure monism. Zoran - The Shankara Acharya composed the following works: Bhashyas on Brahma Sutras... According to George Thibaut Ramunuja's commentary of Brahma Sutras is giving more accurate explanation of what Vyasa said, but Thibaut also added that Shankara's views are closer to Upanishad philosophers than Ramunuja's. Also we must say that there are many Upanishads and each school uses those ones which are basis for their specific arguments. Thanks for mentioning Nimbark acharya his teaching is also interesting...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is passing and where is the through? Only repetition of the name of Devi is enough to produce samadhi. Even having considered it for the slightest of split seconds yet one already instantaneously has attained samadhi. Repetition produces moksha. LOL. Kirk, I read your message above while waiting for my cafe con leche to arrive, and in that uncaffein- ated state read 'Devil' for 'Devi.' I said to myself, Wow...Kirk is meditating on the devil now. Weird, but whatever floats his boat. Then I reread it, and discovered the truth. Which is, for this unredeemed nontheistic and nondevotional soul, that the statement is probably true in either case. What you get is what you expect to get. Repeat pretty much anything convinced that it'll bring you benefit and sure enough, you'll perceive that the benefits are there. I might even try it myself. Salma. Salma. Salma... :-) - Original Message - From: netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Yet in Sri Vidya the sidhis are but the outer courtyard. - Original Message - Trilokya Mohana Chakram, Yes..it attracts everyone in the universe. But we must pass through it and the others, each increasingly more beautiful in order to achieve Mother's Grace. Jai Sri Mata! From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mostly lurking with a question On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote: From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Exactly--and this is also an almost unanimous declaration from yogic texts. In fact, the primary text on Enlightenment up to this very day in the Shank. tradition says this as well--which it also adds that one will never attain even CC if one uses the samyama siddhi formulae, esp. yogic flying! So clearly this has no basis in the tradition of enlightenment coming from Shankara. Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness (jiivanmuktiviveka) 5. The Renunciation of the Knower 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins 5.1.4. The two terms (paramahamsa and yogin) are used together in order to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is a paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc., and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human existence, Cosmic Consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neil Patterson ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so sad to see when the negativity in the environment prevents the spontaneous fulfillment of desires. we love you Neil! greedy asshole. What is 'negativity' composed of? What is 'environment' composed of? What is 'desire' and 'fulfillment' composed of? What are 'assholes' composed of? What is 'Neil' composed of? What are 'you' composed of? As far as I know, all the same Being or, if you prefer, God. I thought that you saw this, and were aware of it 24/7 in UC. On what basis are you now making these artificial distinctions between one sort of Being and another?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: She's a national treasure. If I had the opportunity to sit down over coffee and talk for several hours with *any* female movie star (and it's *just* coffee, mind you), it would probably be Salma Hayek. If she weren't available, it would be one of the reputedly equally-intelligent French actresses like Isabelle Adjani, Sophie Marceau, or Emanuelle Beart. Here in Spain, probably Maribel Verdu. I could live with that list. Pan's Labyrinth was my favorite film of 2007. Mine, too. Great film. IMO Maribel's best work to date, however, is in the equally great film Y tu mama tambien. Wonderful film about life, death, and those things we do in between. I'd be too nervous to have coffee with any of that bunch, so I settle for sharing a nice Bordeaux. Me, too, to tell the truth...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,is encouraging testimony. Om, do any of these apostles have that kind of spiritual juice for giving dharshan? Diksha? Shakti Pot? Word has it that Shakti Pot will be made available for those who want it, under the Medicinal Marijuana laws. It will be part of the new Maharishi Roll Your Own Enlightenment program, also known as Bongs For Bliss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:12 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote: From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Exactly--and this is also an almost unanimous declaration from yogic texts. In fact, the primary text on Enlightenment up to this very day in the Shank. tradition says this as well--which it also adds that one will never attain even CC if one uses the samyama siddhi formulae, esp. yogic flying! So clearly this has no basis in the tradition of enlightenment coming from Shankara. That's really weird, *if* Vyaasa, the famous commentator of Yoga-suutras is Krishna Dvaipaayana aka Baadaraayana, the writer of vedaanta-suutras (aka brahma-suutras, shaariiraka- suutras.) Vyasa just means compiler, it does not necessarily refer to a singular historical person. There were at least 7 different Vyasas from what I was taught. Are you implying, that some present day guru, who doesn't even necessarily know Sanskrit very well, is a more reliable commentator of YS than Vyaasa, whoever s/he was?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What I couldn't agree with less is his sugges- tion that the enlightened can do anything they want and actually be enlightened. In my book the enlightened still produce karma, and thus still can create negative karma and suffer the results of it if they perform negative actions. Being able to do anything they want is lazy philosophy, big snip Turq, regarding enlightened people doing whatever they want, it's important to define enlightened and want. Indeed. And there we run into the potential differences between the descriptions of what enlightenment entails across different spirit- ual traditions. For the purposes of these discussions, when I use the term enlightenment, I'm settling for the lowest common denominator similar to Maharishi's definition of CC. That is, the subjective awareness of the infinite (Being, the Absolute, eternity, whatever you want to call it) 24/7, coexistent with waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. I *don't* consider any of the other stuff associated with MMY's definitions of GC or UC. IF one assumes this state of a person, *then* the definition of wants depends on what *else* one assumes about having realized enlightenment. If one follows the MMY model, then at that point one's individual wants become in tune with the cosmic wants. The enlightened individual (*because* he/ she is no longer an individual) has *no choice* but to follow the laws of nature and do what nature wants. I don't believe that. I've met and worked closely with too many people I suspect of having realized their enlightenment to believe it. I've also had my own fleeting experiences with enlightenment, as defined above. They didn't abide and become perm- anent; it's more like they come and go. But in a sense I feel that I've been there done that enough to have a feeling for whether individuality and thus individual wants still exist after that state is realized. I think they are. I think that the enlightened individual still has pretty much the *same* wants that he or she had prior to realizing enlightenment. Before enlighten- ment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. (Or Sport wood and carry condoms, as a friend of mine rephrases this saying.) Based on my observation and my experience, and on readings in Tibetan books that speak of the enlight- ened *losing* their enlightenment as a result of improper actions, I firmly believe that...uh...to put it delicately...the enlightened still have the ability to fuck up. IMO there IS still ego present, coexistent with the subjective awareness of the infinite 24/7, enough so that that ego can sometimes act AS ego, and perform some action that is NOT appropriate. And when that happens, the enlightened being suffers the same karma that someone who has not realized their enlightenment suffers. Perform the inappropriate actions enough times, and the person who has realized his or her enlightenment could actually LOSE it, have it fade and go away. These are all MY feelings and opinions on the subject, although there is support for them in other spiritual teachings. I am not trying to push them or sell them or declare them as any kind of truth. It's just that you pinpointed some definitions that have to be agreed to before discussing a subject like this, so I'm trying to define what those terms mean to me. Perhaps an enlightened person would not *want* to do something harmful to someone else. In other words, their motives may be different. My feeling is that motives don't really enter into any discussion of karma. All that matters is the action, not the intent behind the action. One could say, and find support for the idea in his writings, that Adolph Hitler had benevolent *motives* for his actions. In his way, he was trying to create an ideal society for the supposed benefit of all who lived in it. But in terms of karma, he is going to accrue the karma of the actions themselves, not the intent behind them. Again, this is Just My Opinion. Maybe enlightenment, in this sense, is a lot more rare than other definitions would have it. Or more common. I'm really not sure. All I know is that if *I*, with my lifestyle and my samskaras, can have had the clear experience of realizing enlightenment, even if those experiences lasted only weeks at a time, then anyone can. Therefore it could be far more common than we hear about in traditional spiritual circles. Whether these more common experiences of realization *persist* and remain in place 24/7 for the rest of the experiencer's life is a larger question. This theory would also mean that since some actions would not be wanted by the aforementioned enlightened, then people taking those actions would thereby not be defined as enlightened. In my fifth spin around the spiral, I'm getting a bit of a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, deepaconn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote: In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... Just so you know...my spiritual lingo comes, probably, 90% from the TMO, although I supplemented my words in this discussion with knowledge gleaned from an old time Sidha Yoga friend (from Muktananda's time). Recitation and study of the Guru Gita was a cornerstone of their practices. My understanding about Guru Gita is that it's addressing Guru on several levels. At the beginning of the seeker's path, you've got the in-the-body Guru you're(hopefully) relating to on a day-to-day basis. If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless At the end of the path, you've got the ultimate level, the experience of the Guru as Self/Brahman/the Absolute. Given that understanding, the above quote makes perfect sense. If one does not know the Self, the object of veneration, then the rutuals are useless. I remember M saying -- help me, here, if I'm wrong -- until one knows who the almighty is, of what use is prayer? You can cry-out in prayer, but you will not know who/what are you praying to? The irony of all this is that by the time the seeker experiences that Guru and Self are one, prayer falls away, because there is no one to pray to...only oneness prevails. In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. Again, if Guru and Self are not perceived as the same thing-- evolution of consciousness is not yet complete -- then Capture the Fort applys. Don't get distracted. Thanks for bringing up some interesting points for discussion. Cath The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
$11,500oh my! I feel your pain, brother. --- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. --- Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by: gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] fflmod Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 am (PST) I was part of the Cambridge center and knew John. It was powerful sitting next to him in the flying wall at the times I did that. I could feel the intense energy. I also knew Tony. I also knew Sam Gravina. Hi Gullible Fool. I think I remember you. Were you the guy who naively believed stuff that turned out to not be true? Sam Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] When people call themselves brahman . . .
When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 == The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. == 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
I said to myself, Wow...Kirk is meditating on the devil now. Weird, but whatever floats his boat. Then I reread it, and discovered the truth. Which is, for this unredeemed nontheistic and nondevotional soul, that the statement is probably true in either case. What you get is what you expect to get. Repeat pretty much anything convinced that it'll bring you benefit and sure enough, you'll perceive that the benefits are there. ---Or samadhi is closer than most people give it credit for. This line was really lifted from the Saundarya Lahiri.
[FairfieldLife] Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini D.: What part does Kundalini play in bringing about Self-Realisation? M.: Kundalini rises from any lakshya that you have. Kundalini is prana-sakti (life-current). D.: Different deities are said to reside in different chakras. Does one see them in course of sadhana? M.: They can be seen if desired. (Talk 282) - Mr. T. K. S. Iyer asked Sri Bhagavan about the source of sound. M.: The general opinion is that para (sound) comes from the Muladhara (the solar plexus) at the bottom of the spine. All sounds beginning from vaikhar (thought form) are contained in para which proceeds from Kundalini; and Kundalini is not different from the Heart. In fact the whole shadadhara (six-fold centre) is contained in the heart. The sushumna with its source Kundalini is included in the Heart. (Talk 299) - ...(Swami Lokesananda [...asked a...] series of questions). D.: They say that Kundalini must be roused before Realisation and that its awakening makes the body feel hot. Is that so? M.: The yogis call it Kundalini Sakti. It is the same as vritti of the form of God (Bhagavatakara vritti) of the bhaktas and vritti of the form of Brahman (Brahmakara vritti) of the jnanis. It must be preliminary to Realisation. The sensation produced may be said to be hot. D.: Kundalini is said to be of the shape of a serpent but vrittis cannot be so. M.: The Kundalini of jnana marga is said to be the Heart, which is also described in various ways as a network of nadis, of the shape of a serpent, of a lotus bud, etc. D.: Is this Heart the same as the physiological heart? M.: No, Sri Ramana Gita defines it as the origin of the ‘I-thought’. D.: But I read that it is on the right of the chest. M.: It is all meant to help the bhavana (imagery). There are books dealing with six centres (shadchakra) and many other lakshyas (centres), internal and external. The description of the Heart is one among so many lakshyas. But it is not necessary. It is only the source of the ‘I-thought’. That is the ultimate truth. (Talk 392) - ...the seeker’s aim must be to drain away the vasanas from the heart and let no reflection obstruct the Light of Eternal Consciousness. This is achieved by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into the heart. This is the direct method for Self- Realisation. One who adopts it need not worry about nadis, the brain, the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the Kundalini, pranayama or the six centres. (Talk 616) - D.: How to find the Atman? M.: There is no investigation into the Atman. The investigation can only be into the non-self. Elimination of the non-self is alone possible. The Self being always self evident will shine forth of itself. The Self is called by different names - Atman, God, Kundalini, mantra, etc. Hold any one of them and the Self becomes manifest. God is no other than the Self. Kundalini is now showing forth as the mind. When the mind is traced to its source it is Kundalini. Mantra japa leads to elimination of other thoughts and to concentration on the mantra. The mantra finally merges into the Self and shines forth as the Self. (Talk 78) - Three or four days ago Mr. Desai, Retired Sub-Judge, asked Bhagavan (with reference to what is said in Ramana Gita), “How to direct the prana or life-current into the sushumna nadi, so that as stated in Ramana Gita we could achieve the severance of the chit-jada granthi?” Bhagavan said, “By enquiring ‘Who am I?’” “The yogi may be definitely aiming at rousing the kundalini and sending it up the sushumna. The jnani may not be having this as his object. But both achieve the same result, that of sending the Life-force up the sushumna and severing the chit-jada granthi. Kundalini is only another name for atma or Self or sakti. We talk of it as being inside the body, because we conceive ourselves as limited by this body. But it is in reality both inside and outside, being no other than Self or the sakti of Self.” Desai: How to churn up the nadis, so that the kundalini may go up the sushumna? Bhagavan: Though the yogi may have his methods of breath-control, pranayama, mudras, etc., for this object, the jnani’s method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the Self, its sakti or kundalini, rises automatically. (Day by Day - 14-9-45) - Kundalini is one name given by the yogic people for what may be called the atma sakti inside the body. The vichara school calls the same power jnana. The bhakta calls it love or bhakti. The yogic school says that this power is dormant in muladhara at the base of the spinal cord and that it must be roused and taken through the various chakras on to sahasrara at the top, in the brain, to attain moksha. The jnanis think this power is centred in the heart, and so on. (Day by Day - 11-11-45) - When I entered the hall,
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
If the links below don't provide the English use this one: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 == The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. == 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
[FairfieldLife] Re: Past life experience and how it relates to practice in this life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason this exchange with matrixmonitor popped into my mind again this morning, so I feel like rapping on the same subject a little further: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: The people it (TM - or any other meditation technique) works for are IMO those with some meditation experience in previous lives. While I don't disagree with you at all (in fact, I think it's very true), that's a tough sell to those who don't believe in past lives. This may include a strong background as a Buddhist, Hindu, or Monk in the Christian Tradition. Or, perhaps a Kaballist. Or just someone who had experienced meditation and transcendence before, and thus found it easier to access and appreciate when they found a new route to it. I found the same thing when teaching other forms of meditation -- some folks eased into it and didn't experience much, and others experienced full-blown samadhi in their first session. What can really explain that except familiarity with meditation in the past? The spiritual teacher I worked with the longest in this life had a very different approach to teaching than Maharishi did, one that accepted his students' past-life experience as a given, and utilized it in the teaching process. He merely assumed that most of the people who were attracted enough to him to become his students in this life had been students of his in previous lives, sometimes in many of those lives. Those he didn't believe this about he assumed had paid their dues with *thousands* of past lives spent in the pursuit of enlight- enment, and thus could build upon and draw upon that past-life experience in this one. With this in mind, he taught a wide range of spiritual methodologies and techniques. Over the years we must have learned a hundred *different* techniques of meditation. Some were with eyes closed; some with them open; still others to be performed in activity. Some used a mantra or yantra or other object of focus, some did not and were based on the idea of unfocusing as much as possible. Some were effort-based and suggested that we should try to stop our thought, others were as effortless as the TM technique. There was a similar parade of dogmas and doc- trines. We studied Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Hinduism, Occultism, Native American Shamanism, and many others. One night we'd be talking Zen and he'd be the Zen Master, and the next we'd be talking about sex and relationships and how they related to spiritual progress and he'd be the supposedly- enlightened Dr. Kinsey, and the next night we'd be talking about success in the world of business and how that related to enlightenment and he'd be Dale Carnegie. It was a zoo. :-) My point in bringing it up is that there was a sort of method in his madness. Namely (IMO) that one method wasn't enough. He often said that he served up this smorgasbord of teachings and techniques because although we had all paid our dues, we had all paid *different* dues. We may have all spent a lot of time in monas- teries and ashrams, but they weren't the *same* monasteries and ashrams, and they might not even have been from the same spiritual tradition. Therefore we had all developed different predi- lections, spiritually. He presented lots of differ- ent paths and options to us because he didn't think that there was such a thing as One size fits all. Instead he seemed to figure that if he threw out enough breadcrumbs, sooner or later each of us would find the breadcrumbs that tasted best *to us*, and would follow them down the path that was best *for us*. I think he was onto something. How this relates to what we were discussing before is that TM and its effortless might have appealed to those who had paid their dues doing similar sadhana in past lives. If they were used to tech- niques of effortlessness, then the student felt a resonance with that style of meditation, and followed it into very deep meditations. At the same time, perhaps there were a lot of people who also had paid their dues meditating in past lives but had developed a predilection for techniques that involved more effort and intent and will. For them, TM didn't resonate quite as much, so over time they gravitated to other more effort-based techniques and traditions. This is all just speculation on my part; it's not as if I know anything for sure. But it's what I wound up thinking about this morning, so I thought I'd pass it along. I basically agree *strongly* with your idea that TM or *any* meditation technique will work better for those who have had experience meditating in the past. Predilection is important. Although it may seem to be a non-sequitur, I relate
[FairfieldLife] Apology
My comments may have offended some people. I'm sorry. Sam
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Neal Patterson in the news
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It alleges they materially misrepresented the results of the Boka project, caring not whether they were true or false. Familiar pattern? It seems he learned at the feet of his master. Has the 'master' ever been charged with having materially misrepresented any results? I think not. So, maybe you should apologize for your snarky comment. Usually in these kinds of cases, a person is presumend innocent until proven guilty, but apparently Mr. Varma hasn't even been charged with any legal offense. Thought crimes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neal Patterson in the news
It alleges they materially misrepresented the results of the Boka project, caring not whether they were true or false. Familiar pattern? It seems he learned at the feet of his master. Has the 'master' ever been charged with having materially misrepresented any results? I think not. So, maybe you should apologize for your snarky comment. Usually in these kinds of cases, a person is presumend innocent until proven guilty, but apparently Mr. Varma hasn't even been charged with any legal offense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Ramana I'm going to a satsang tomorrow given by a guy with direct lineage to Ramana Maharishi. Should be interesting because I love Ramana and have always been drawn to him. Oh no! Beware the Neo-Advaita Menace!
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to say some months ago about human virtues are the fruit and a milestone of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some people are good. To their core. That, to me, is a far more advanced state of freedom and refinement than merely having no owenership of action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 == The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. == 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
[FairfieldLife] Re: Past life experience and how it relates to practice in this life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is the only past-life experience I've ever had and it went right back to the age of the dinosaurs, believe me I know what it's like to be a nocturnal shrew in the late cretateous, I know it was then because I saw an iguanadon. I think if two aliens hadn't appeared on the scene and freaked me out even more I might be inclined to think it really happened. Hey, maybe it did and I just don't want to think of myself as that lucky. It was awesomely vivid in the way that only other people who've had good acid experiences will be able to relate to. But when I think two of my passions are paleontology and science fiction the realist in me has to accept that it was most likely entirely subjective, Occams razor and all that. I never had any past-life experiences from meditation and this is annoying as I know plenty who have and I hate to think I'm missing out on a good time. Intellectually I can dismiss reincarnation because it's a bit tricky to fit into the standard Darwinian model. But as Maharishi said Now you may not believe in reincarnation and all that, but ask yourself this, what do I know? To which I can only reply, not enough. So can I ask you, or indeed anyone who has had a past-life experience, how real it was? Or maybe real isn't the main thing maybe it's how much sense it makes personally. I'm in the dark about it. I've only had a few that I would consider clear experiences of past lives, as opposed to having a general feeling about a certain era or place. Most of the former were a little visionary in that there was something that happened that was out of the ordinary that makes me think that I wasn't just moodmaking or that my brain wasn't just free associating based on things I know from this life. In a few of these experiences I had a literal vision in that the present just went away, and what I was seeing and experiencing felt like I'd stepped into some kind of viewer into the past. I tried to write up one such experience in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind, at: http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm46.html When the present just goes away and all of your perceptions seem to be taking place *in* the past, like some kind of vision, I tend to take those experiences a little more seriously than just having a vague feeling of familiarity about a time or place. Another type of experience that I tend to give more credence to and consider more than moodmaking is when I go to some place of power (as I am wont to do) and not only feel that I've been there before, I can describe what's going to be around the next bend or in the next room before we get there to other people who visiting that place with me. I've done that with Quéribus, the place I wrote about in the link above, and at other Cathar-related sites. I've had similar experiences in Canyon de Chelly and Chaco Canyon and in the basements of the Papal Palace in Avignon, where I was telling my guide where all the secret passages were before he could tell me about them. All in all, though, I just treat these things as entertainment. I may *enjoy* having these rare flashes, but I'm not convinced that any of them have provided benefit to my sadhana in any way. The visionary ones are more like seeing a clip from a movie that you starred in long, long ago. It's neat to see it, but you worked on that film *so* long ago that you're no longer getting any residual royalties from the Actor's Guild, so what use is it, anyway? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
But it is the pain (and glory) of fullness moving into emptiness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $11,500oh my! I feel your pain, brother. --- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. --- Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by: gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] fflmod Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 am (PST) I was part of the Cambridge center and knew John. It was powerful sitting next to him in the flying wall at the times I did that. I could feel the intense energy. I also knew Tony. I also knew Sam Gravina. Hi Gullible Fool. I think I remember you. Were you the guy who naively believed stuff that turned out to not be true? Sam Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apology
He asked if I naively believed stuff that turned out to not be true? ! --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, what's wrong with you, man? This is FFL, the last bastion of unapologetic, self-righteous, self-serving blather. I am offended by your apology!!! --- Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comments may have offended some people. I'm sorry. Sam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Neal Patterson in the news
Thought crimes? I have been warned to Don't even think it!! --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It alleges they materially misrepresented the results of the Boka project, caring not whether they were true or false. Familiar pattern? It seems he learned at the feet of his master. Has the 'master' ever been charged with having materially misrepresented any results? I think not. So, maybe you should apologize for your snarky comment. Usually in these kinds of cases, a person is presumend innocent until proven guilty, but apparently Mr. Varma hasn't even been charged with any legal offense. Thought crimes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
Thanks for posting this. Bhagavan: Though the yogi may have his methods of breath-control, pranayama, mudras, etc., for this object, the jnani's method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the Self, its sakti or kundalini, rises automatically. (Day by Day - 14-9-45) The above lays out different strokes for different folks. Different focus. As did MMM in SBAL -- all the great different ways of transcending becoming realized. A question, not a challenge, you (Vaj) seem to dis some methods because they don't have the G H I J L or M steps that are critical for any true and worthy sadhana. Yet RM is saying, as I think MMY did, that for example, the jnanis focus on enquiry only, and all else is done unto them. No need to even be aware of what K or S are. Therefore, why dis some methods if they take you home via less scenic routes? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini D.: What part does Kundalini play in bringing about Self-Realisation? M.: Kundalini rises from any lakshya that you have. Kundalini is prana-sakti (life-current). D.: Different deities are said to reside in different chakras. Does one see them in course of sadhana? M.: They can be seen if desired. (Talk 282) - Mr. T. K. S. Iyer asked Sri Bhagavan about the source of sound. M.: The general opinion is that para (sound) comes from the Muladhara (the solar plexus) at the bottom of the spine. All sounds beginning from vaikhar (thought form) are contained in para which proceeds from Kundalini; and Kundalini is not different from the Heart. In fact the whole shadadhara (six-fold centre) is contained in the heart. The sushumna with its source Kundalini is included in the Heart. (Talk 299) - ...(Swami Lokesananda [...asked a...] series of questions). D.: They say that Kundalini must be roused before Realisation and that its awakening makes the body feel hot. Is that so? M.: The yogis call it Kundalini Sakti. It is the same as vritti of the form of God (Bhagavatakara vritti) of the bhaktas and vritti of the form of Brahman (Brahmakara vritti) of the jnanis. It must be preliminary to Realisation. The sensation produced may be said to be hot. D.: Kundalini is said to be of the shape of a serpent but vrittis cannot be so. M.: The Kundalini of jnana marga is said to be the Heart, which is also described in various ways as a network of nadis, of the shape of a serpent, of a lotus bud, etc. D.: Is this Heart the same as the physiological heart? M.: No, Sri Ramana Gita defines it as the origin of the `I-thought'. D.: But I read that it is on the right of the chest. M.: It is all meant to help the bhavana (imagery). There are books dealing with six centres (shadchakra) and many other lakshyas (centres), internal and external. The description of the Heart is one among so many lakshyas. But it is not necessary. It is only the source of the `I-thought'. That is the ultimate truth. (Talk 392) - ...the seeker's aim must be to drain away the vasanas from the heart and let no reflection obstruct the Light of Eternal Consciousness. This is achieved by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into the heart. This is the direct method for Self- Realisation. One who adopts it need not worry about nadis, the brain, the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the Kundalini, pranayama or the six centres. (Talk 616) - D.: How to find the Atman? M.: There is no investigation into the Atman. The investigation can only be into the non-self. Elimination of the non-self is alone possible. The Self being always self evident will shine forth of itself. The Self is called by different names - Atman, God, Kundalini, mantra, etc. Hold any one of them and the Self becomes manifest. God is no other than the Self. Kundalini is now showing forth as the mind. When the mind is traced to its source it is Kundalini. Mantra japa leads to elimination of other thoughts and to concentration on the mantra. The mantra finally merges into the Self and shines forth as the Self. (Talk 78) - Three or four days ago Mr. Desai, Retired Sub-Judge, asked Bhagavan (with reference to what is said in Ramana Gita), How to direct the prana or life-current into the sushumna nadi, so that as stated in Ramana Gita we could achieve the severance of the chit-jada granthi? Bhagavan said, By enquiring `Who am I?' The yogi may be definitely aiming at rousing the kundalini and sending it up the sushumna. The jnani may not be having this as his object. But both achieve the same result, that of sending the Life-force up the sushumna and severing the chit-jada granthi. Kundalini is only another name for atma or Self or sakti. We talk of it as being inside the body, because we conceive ourselves as limited by this body. But it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
That $11,500 is in 1991 money, too. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $11,500oh my! I feel your pain, brother. --- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. --- Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by: gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] fflmod Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 am (PST) I was part of the Cambridge center and knew John. It was powerful sitting next to him in the flying wall at the times I did that. I could feel the intense energy. I also knew Tony. I also knew Sam Gravina. Hi Gullible Fool. I think I remember you. Were you the guy who naively believed stuff that turned out to not be true? Sam Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comments may have offended some people. I'm sorry. By my count, you've made eight posts to FFL, and I don't see anything even remotely offensive about any of them. So, I'll join Peter in taking offense at your apology.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
TurquoiseB wrote: Indeed. And there we run into the potential differences between the descriptions of what enlightenment entails across different spirit- ual traditions. For the purposes of these discussions, when I use the term enlightenment, I'm settling for the lowest common denominator similar to Maharishi's definition of CC. That is, the subjective awareness of the infinite (Being, So, you DO believe in a Supreme Being! the Absolute, eternity, whatever you want to call it) 24/7, coexistent with waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. I *don't* consider any of the other stuff associated with MMY's definitions of GC or UC. IF one assumes this state of a person, *then* the definition of wants depends on what *else* one assumes about having realized enlightenment. If one follows the MMY model, then at that point one's individual wants become in tune with the cosmic wants. The enlightened individual (*because* he/ she is no longer an individual) has *no choice* but to follow the laws of nature and do what nature wants. I don't believe that. I've met and worked closely with too many people I suspect of having realized their enlightenment to believe it. I've also had my own fleeting experiences with enlightenment, as defined above. They didn't abide and become perm- anent; it's more like they come and go. But in a sense I feel that I've been there done that enough to have a feeling for whether individuality and thus individual wants still exist after that state is realized. I think they are. I think that the enlightened individual still has pretty much the *same* wants that he or she had prior to realizing enlightenment. Before enlighten- ment, chop wood and carry water; after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. (Or Sport wood and carry condoms, as a friend of mine rephrases this saying.) Based on my observation and my experience, and on readings in Tibetan books that speak of the enlight- ened *losing* their enlightenment as a result of improper actions, I firmly believe that...uh...to put it delicately...the enlightened still have the ability to fuck up. IMO there IS still ego present, coexistent with the subjective awareness of the infinite 24/7, enough so that that ego can sometimes act AS ego, and perform some action that is NOT appropriate. And when that happens, the enlightened being suffers the same karma that someone who has not realized their enlightenment suffers. Perform the inappropriate actions enough times, and the person who has realized his or her enlightenment could actually LOSE it, have it fade and go away. So, you DO believe in a personal soul-monad! These are all MY feelings and opinions on the subject, although there is support for them in other spiritual teachings. I am not trying to push them or sell them or declare them as any kind of truth. It's just that you pinpointed some definitions that have to be agreed to before discussing a subject like this, so I'm trying to define what those terms mean to me. Perhaps an enlightened person would not *want* to do something harmful to someone else. In other words, their motives may be different. My feeling is that motives don't really enter into any discussion of karma. All that matters is the action, not the intent behind the action. So, you DO NOT follow the teachings of the Buddha! One could say, and find support for the idea in his writings, that Adolph Hitler had benevolent *motives* for his actions. In his way, he was trying to create an ideal society for the supposed benefit of all who lived in it. But in terms of karma, he is going to accrue the karma of the actions themselves, not the intent behind them. Again, this is Just My Opinion. So, you Do believe in karma, but it is a mechanical process, and no moral determination is possible by humans. People can do good and be reborn; other people do bad and they get reborn - no difference, everyone suffers no matter what kind of actions they perform. Therefore there is no need to perform good actions - it's all the same mechanical process and the same outcome. So, there's no need to even attempt to be righteous and perform moral decisions. Anyone can go out and rape, murder and plunder - it's all the same. That's your opinion? Maybe enlightenment, in this sense, is a lot more rare than other definitions would have it. Or more common. I'm really not sure. All I know is that if *I*, with my lifestyle and my samskaras, can have had the clear experience of realizing enlightenment, even if those experiences lasted only weeks at a time, then anyone can. Therefore it could be far more common than we hear about in traditional spiritual circles. So, you DO believe in spirits. Whether these more common experiences of realization *persist* and remain in place 24/7 for the rest of the experiencer's life is a larger question. This theory would also mean
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
Speaking of Ramana I'm going to a satsang tomorrow given by a guy with direct lineage to Ramana Maharishi. Should be interesting because I love Ramana and have always been drawn to him. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini D.: What part does Kundalini play in bringing about Self-Realisation? M.: Kundalini rises from any lakshya that you have. Kundalini is prana-sakti (life-current). D.: Different deities are said to reside in different chakras. Does one see them in course of sadhana? M.: They can be seen if desired. (Talk 282) - Mr. T. K. S. Iyer asked Sri Bhagavan about the source of sound. M.: The general opinion is that para (sound) comes from the Muladhara (the solar plexus) at the bottom of the spine. All sounds beginning from vaikhar (thought form) are contained in para which proceeds from Kundalini; and Kundalini is not different from the Heart. In fact the whole shadadhara (six-fold centre) is contained in the heart. The sushumna with its source Kundalini is included in the Heart. (Talk 299) - ...(Swami Lokesananda [...asked a...] series of questions). D.: They say that Kundalini must be roused before Realisation and that its awakening makes the body feel hot. Is that so? M.: The yogis call it Kundalini Sakti. It is the same as vritti of the form of God (Bhagavatakara vritti) of the bhaktas and vritti of the form of Brahman (Brahmakara vritti) of the jnanis. It must be preliminary to Realisation. The sensation produced may be said to be hot. D.: Kundalini is said to be of the shape of a serpent but vrittis cannot be so. M.: The Kundalini of jnana marga is said to be the Heart, which is also described in various ways as a network of nadis, of the shape of a serpent, of a lotus bud, etc. D.: Is this Heart the same as the physiological heart? M.: No, Sri Ramana Gita defines it as the origin of the I-thought. D.: But I read that it is on the right of the chest. M.: It is all meant to help the bhavana (imagery). There are books dealing with six centres (shadchakra) and many other lakshyas (centres), internal and external. The description of the Heart is one among so many lakshyas. But it is not necessary. It is only the source of the I-thought. That is the ultimate truth. (Talk 392) - ...the seekers aim must be to drain away the vasanas from the heart and let no reflection obstruct the Light of Eternal Consciousness. This is achieved by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into the heart. This is the direct method for Self- Realisation. One who adopts it need not worry about nadis, the brain, the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the Kundalini, pranayama or the six centres. (Talk 616) - D.: How to find the Atman? M.: There is no investigation into the Atman. The investigation can only be into the non-self. Elimination of the non-self is alone possible. The Self being always self evident will shine forth of itself. The Self is called by different names - Atman, God, Kundalini, mantra, etc. Hold any one of them and the Self becomes manifest. God is no other than the Self. Kundalini is now showing forth as the mind. When the mind is traced to its source it is Kundalini. Mantra japa leads to elimination of other thoughts and to concentration on the mantra. The mantra finally merges into the Self and shines forth as the Self. (Talk 78) - Three or four days ago Mr. Desai, Retired Sub-Judge, asked Bhagavan (with reference to what is said in Ramana Gita), How to direct the prana or life-current into the sushumna nadi, so that as stated in Ramana Gita we could achieve the severance of the chit-jada granthi? Bhagavan said, By enquiring Who am I? The yogi may be definitely aiming at rousing the kundalini and sending it up the sushumna. The jnani may not be having this as his object. But both achieve the same result, that of sending the Life-force up the sushumna and severing the chit-jada granthi. Kundalini is only another name for atma or Self or sakti. We talk of it as being inside the body, because we conceive ourselves as limited by this body. But it is in reality both inside and outside, being no other than Self or the sakti of Self. Desai: How to churn up the nadis, so that the kundalini may go up the sushumna? Bhagavan: Though the yogi may have his methods of breath-control, pranayama, mudras, etc., for this object, the jnanis method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the Self, its sakti or kundalini, rises automatically. (Day by Day - 14-9-45) - Kundalini is one name given by the yogic people for what may be called the atma sakti inside the body. The vichara school calls the same power jnana. The bhakta calls it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neil Patterson ???
TurquoiseB wrote: What is 'negativity' composed of? What is 'environment' composed of? What is 'desire' and 'fulfillment' composed of? What are 'assholes' composed of? What is 'Neil' composed of? What are 'you' composed of? As far as I know, all the same Being or, if you prefer, God. I thought that you saw this, and were aware of it 24/7 in UC. On what basis are you now making these artificial distinctions between one sort of Being and another? So, you don't have all the answers!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
The Shankara Acharya composed the following works: Bhashyas on Brahma Sutras... Zoran wrote: According to George Thibaut Ramunuja's commentary of Brahma Sutras is giving more accurate explanation of what Vyasa said, but Thibaut also added that Shankara's views are closer to Upanishad philosophers than Ramunuja's. Maybe so, but the TMer tradition follows the Adwaita tradition of Shankaracharya - we don't have anything to do with the qualified non-dualists (Visishtadvaitans) who posit the existence of two reals - it just doesn't seem to make any sensse that there would be a Brahman with attributes; a Lord Narayana or a Bhagavan, that is, a Supreme Being; the individual soul is Chit; matter is Achit. That kind of outlook just doesn't seem to make any sense. Also we must say that there are many Upanishads and each school uses those ones which are basis for their specific arguments. Maybe so, but the tradition TMers follow is the Sri Vidya and the Trupura Upanishad. Shankara composed the Saundarya- lahari for our understanding. In it are enumerated the TM bija mantras including the bija mantra of Sri Saraswati, that is, Tripura, and the 'secret of the three cities'. Thanks for mentioning Nimbark acharya... The scriptures of the six Gosvamis mention the names of Acaryas such as Sri Ramanuja, Sri Madhva, Sri Visnu Svami, Sri Nimbaditya and Sri Vallabha Acarya. If the Nimbarka sampradaya had existed even to a slight extent at that time, then they would most certainly have mentioned the name of Nimbarka Acarya as well. However, they did not, so that leads me to conclude that Nimbarka came much later, probably in the 18th century.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apology
Sam, what's wrong with you, man? This is FFL, the last bastion of unapologetic, self-righteous, self-serving blather. I am offended by your apology!!! --- Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comments may have offended some people. I'm sorry. Sam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:06 PM, gullible fool wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. JOOC, what did they tell you would happen, gull? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
Well, which Vyassa is the one living in the Himalayas with a refined etheric body, for whom there is no record of him dropping the body ( from MMY). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:12 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote: From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Exactly--and this is also an almost unanimous declaration from yogic texts. In fact, the primary text on Enlightenment up to this very day in the Shank. tradition says this as well--which it also adds that one will never attain even CC if one uses the samyama siddhi formulae, esp. yogic flying! So clearly this has no basis in the tradition of enlightenment coming from Shankara. That's really weird, *if* Vyaasa, the famous commentator of Yoga-suutras is Krishna Dvaipaayana aka Baadaraayana, the writer of vedaanta-suutras (aka brahma-suutras, shaariiraka- suutras.) Vyasa just means compiler, it does not necessarily refer to a singular historical person. There were at least 7 different Vyasas from what I was taught. Are you implying, that some present day guru, who doesn't even necessarily know Sanskrit very well, is a more reliable commentator of YS than Vyaasa, whoever s/he was?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: What we do has consequences and we should not limit our focus to self realization or enlightenment, but to doing good. snip The criteria for doing good are first Do no harm, or at the very least *try* to do no harm, and second, try to do things that have the instantaneous karmic effect of elevating your own state of attention. IMO *that* is one of the only indicators we have that we are doing good. What I couldn't agree with less is his sugges- tion that the enlightened can do anything they want and actually be enlightened. In my book the enlightened still produce karma, and thus still can create negative karma and suffer the results of it if they perform negative actions. Being able to do anything they want is lazy philosophy, and the top of a very slippery slide into Hell. Ruth, doing good, in my book, comes from a place of arrogance. It implies that one knows what is good in the first place, and then one executes the correct performance flawlessly. You are probably using the words differently than I am, but whenever I see the phrase doing good in this context, my neckhairs bristle and I check to make sure my weapons are handy. I have a different take on being good. It can include your view above, which to me a sort of Ayn Rand view of altruism. However, per my prior adjacent post on being sadhu and good, from SBS quote, I know there is a ground state of goodness. When one is in that zone, its all good. All action is permeated with love, respect, caring,tenderness, support, and helpfulness. Its not an intellectual thing. Not the result of a phd in Ethics or Religious Shastras. And its clear when someone is functioning from that zone. No fancy titles or labels can disguise it,or make what is not there appear. I strongly resonate with the quote by C.S. Lewis, It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. So I pursue the route, like Turq pointed out, of first doing no harm. Years ago I went through a turning point during which I committed what I thought was a series of The Most Regrettable Actions of My Life. These actions were taken, by the way, fully in the quest of doing good for my then-boyfriend. It was after realizing my folly that I decided to take the very humble and modest approach of doing only no harm (in my judgment, which I was severely questioning at the time), and very carefully take notice at several checkpoints how things turned out, so that I could change direction as soon as I noticed any problems developing. I'm giving all this background to stress that the important thing is that I was paying very close attention to motives, actions and results. What I noticed was that when my motive was to benefit myself, things kind of muddled along. When my motive was to benefit my children, things went better for all of us. Sometimes a course of action would, by coincidence, benefit EVERYONE it touched -- self, children, friends, and even my opponents or enemies. THESE courses of action, I learned, were the best of all. These actions benefitted me the most and my children the most. And they didn't harm anyone, even people I really disliked (not that I was too worried about them, but as I'm counting the tallies, there's the data). So I decided to more consciously seek these actions, the ones that benefitted everyone, not because I was altruistic, but because everything just worked out so much better (left better lies, to put it in billiards terms) when I found the middle way, the way lying above the other choices which seemed to benefit one at the expense of another. Putting this into a nutshell, I pursue actions which seem, to my limited perception, to resonate with the Force and to align with the Flow. I'm not picking on you, Ruth. Go ahead and call it doing good if that's what it means to you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Maybe so, but the TMer tradition follows the Adwaita tradition of Shankaracharya... You may believe that Shankara's advaita is right one, but that philosophy suffers from many inconsistencies. Shakara on many places did not put a comment on Vyasa's sutras rather he introduced and forced his own philosophy and system which give existence to mayavada philosophy which is not pure advaita. Maybe so, but the tradition TMers follow is the Sri Vidya and the Trupura Upanishad... Shankar's tradition which TMers are following is tradition which came from Lord Vishnu (Narayana)... Shankara's gurus were Vaishnavs. Later on it turned to be everything else including tradition of Shri...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: That $11,500 is in 1991 money, too. Thats a long time ago, and you are still here doing well. So how can you be so sure it had no effect... Exactly. I think Gull needs to get checked. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neal Patterson in the news
Neal was the chap who when I passed via Seelisberg to Canada refused to let me listen to any recent videos of Maharishi in my room (after I had been promised the facility) because I had a beard. He said he was happy to support Maharishi's rules 100%. I had waited three days for the equipment and finally barged into the 108 room in the Hotel Kulm to speak to him. I then told him the world was a big place and there was much to do it in it other than hang round waiting and he could have made it plain to me at the beginning. From the auto route I phoned Maharishi and he laughed heartily saying I could go to Canada as their National Leader instead of as a bearded philosopher. I declined and said it would only put their noses out of joint. He tried to persuade me to get Ingrid to do her MA at MIU instead of Canada and said he was surprised at me following a woman. I said sometimes the longest way round is the quickest way home and after a detour I might yet get back. I thought Neal was a prick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought crimes? I have been warned to Don't even think it!! --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:35 AM, new.morning wrote: Thanks for posting this. Bhagavan: Though the yogi may have his methods of breath-control, pranayama, mudras, etc., for this object, the jnani's method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the Self, its sakti or kundalini, rises automatically. (Day by Day - 14-9-45) The above lays out different strokes for different folks. Different focus. As did MMM in SBAL -- all the great different ways of transcending becoming realized. A question, not a challenge, you (Vaj) seem to dis some methods because they don't have the G H I J L or M steps that are critical for any true and worthy sadhana. Yet RM is saying, as I think MMY did, that for example, the jnanis focus on enquiry only, and all else is done unto them. No need to even be aware of what K or S are. Therefore, why dis some methods if they take you home via less scenic routes? Well, consider Ramana and someone like Nisargadatta--they spent decades perfecting tantric and yogic sadhanas before they could begin any inquiry. If you have the capacity, of course start where you are. The type of person who could go directly to inquiry seems rare indeed. But I'm probably not the person to ask, I'm not a real big advaita vedanta fan. I'd tend to agree with Nisargadatta who said really prior to inquiry you should have perfected your experience of kundalini. I guess it would also depend on what Ramana means by jnani: a practitioner of jnana-yoga or someone already with some realization of jnana--or maybe someone who skips stages and jumps immediately to samashti kundalini: universal shakti, nothing to rise, nothing to guide, no path. For me it all boils down to know your own condition, then you're all the wiser on how to proceed. My .02 USD
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:06 PM, gullible fool wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. JOOC, what did they tell you would happen, gull? Undoubtedly, that negative influences would decrease. If Gull had one the lottery the next day, it would be highly unscientific and anti-statistical to claim causality -- despite th TMO and MTT's grave propensity to do so. And it it would be highly unscientific and anti-statistical to claim the lack of causality -- that is demonstrating that no causal link exists (not found is another, simpler story). Not that the two conclusions have equal probability of being correct. The no causality claim has a lot more weight behind it. But Gull, or anyone, cannot disprove that the yagya decreased negative influences as promised.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That $11,500 is in 1991 money, too. Thats a long time ago, and you are still here doing well. So how can you be so sure it had no effect...
[FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Richard wrote: Total abortions in the United States since 1973: 48,589,993, all man-made murders on a massive scale and not a single word of objection from Mr. Ed. Okay, gang, Richard wants a public beating, again, so I'm going to deliver it. It's poetry time. As a legal protection, let me point out that all my opinions are opinions and not statements of proven truth. To the extent that I am projecting, sue me, but note that just because I can find these dark corners of evil represented in my psyche and amplify them into text doesn't invalidate my summations of him. Richard can also have these attributes, and -- OPINION STARTS NOW -- I maintain that these faint nuances at the bleak end of my moral spectrums can be found in Richard in all their fullest expressions of corrupt manifestation, and, additionally, I think he identifies with this low-dog status, and this accounts for the glee he obviously feels to present himself to others -- he glories in being exactly as depicted below: Richard J. Williams is an unmitigated prick. Richard J. Williams is an evil-supporting, war-mongering apologist for killing children for oil -- ample proof of his having approximately the I.Q. of a rehydrated wad of prehistoric coprolite. Richard J. Williams pretends to have spiritual acumen but is merely a cut-and-pasting plagiarizing sham with less status than a defrocked jailed priest. Richard J. Williams pretends to think important thoughts, but even the world's friendliest dog would tuck its tail and run from his vile presence. Richard J. Williams is a never-learned-shit-from-any-guru-or-scripture, smarmy, marauding, deranged, Internet troll. Richard J. Williams has all the immediate appeal of reeking turd shot out of a truck-smashed diseased snake. Richard J. Williams pretends to be holy and learned and wise by creating Web pages filled with delusions and lies and egoic puffery that any true-hearted person can instantly recognize as the dreck, the drivel, and the defective drainage of a doomed mind. Richard J. Williams' only intent when he posts is to annoy anyone in any thread so that he then gets anger directed at himself, and in this fashion he tries to publicly flagellate and abuse himself as a sick expiation of his spiritual effrontery. Richard J. Williams would change places with Bevan Morris in a heartbeat, and the world would never notice the difference. Richard J. Williams is the type of person that would immediately begin spasming in writhing agony and deep physical unstressing if he were to be in the presence of anything with the least bit of innocence -- even a plastic fake flower would do the triggering. Richard J. Williams would be the first person to go nuts in a foxhole and endanger the others. Richard J. Williams would think he was the logical choice to be captain of a lifeboat, but everyone at FairFieldLife knows he would be the first to be tossed overboard by a 100% vote of everyone else -- even a crippled, 87 year old, 96 pound, skeletal gaped mouthed person in a coma with one more day to live would be kept aboard rather than him. Richard J. Williams had the world handed to him by being born with elitist credentials that 99% of the world would envy but he has spent his lifetime being a simple jerkoff who leaves only failure, anger, and foul memories in his wake. Richard J. Williams is the type of person who romanticizes being a real terrorist who does really bad things, but if he did ever try for that great leap forward in his evolution, he would be immediately captured. Of course, he would never be waterboarded since even a short-bus chimpanzee could easily see him for the pure bullshitter that he is and that he's not even worth the price of the helicopter gas to get him into a rendition facility. Richard J. Williams will never recognize that he is a lurching clown at Rick's party who, wig askew, with vomit stains on his costume, would scare any child within 200 feet and is registering a 9.5 on Richter's creepy scale. Richard J. Williams is erotically charged by identifying with the persona of a lost pathetic deluded malevolence. I would suggest standing back a few feet from Richard J. Williams at all times. Come on, Richard, sue me for these opinions, and let me trot out all your writings in a court of law. I want to hear a judge laughing for the first time in my life. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the Moon's eastern edge slowly moves into the Earth's umbral shadow. During the partial phases, it takes just over an hour for the Moon's orbital motion to carry it entirely within the Earth's dark umbra. The color and brightness of the totally eclipsed Moon can vary considerably from one eclipse to another. Dark eclipses are caused by volcanic gas and dust which filters and blocks much of the Sun's light from reaching the Moon. But since no major volcanic eruptions have taken place recently, the Moon will probably take on a vivid red or orange color during the total phase. After the total phase ends, it is once again followed by a partial eclipse as the Moon gradually leaves the umbral shadow. The total phase of a lunar eclipse is called totality. At this time, the Moon is completely immersed within the Earth's dark umbral shadow. During the February 20 eclipse totality will last just under 50 minutes. This is quite a bit less than the last total lunar eclipse ( August 28, 2007) which lasted 90 minutes. The major phases of the eclipse occur as follows (all times are GMT or Greenwich Mean Time). The partial eclipse commences with first umbral contact at 01:43 GMT or 8:43 pm EST. Totality begins at 03:01 GMT, 10:01 pm EST and lasts until 03:51 GMT, 10:51 pm EST. The partial phases end at 05:09 GMT. February's lunar eclipse is well-placed for North and South America as well as Europe and Africa. Observers along North America's west coast miss the early stages of the partial eclipse because it begins before moon rise. Alaskans in Anchorage and Fairbanks experience moonrise during totality but bright evening twilight will make it difficult for sourdoughs to view the event. Western Europe and northwest Africa also see the entire eclipse. Further to the east (east Africa and central Asia), the Moon sets before the eclipse ends. None of the eclipse is visible from eastern Asia or Australia. Preceeding and following the eclipse are hour-long penumbral phases but these are faint and quite difficult to see. The more interesting and photogenic partial and total phases always take center stage to the penumbral phases. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
My point, though, is not a clarion call to follow, or not follow, any shastras, sciptures or ethics. My only point is that there is a state of sadhu-- goodness -- a deep zone -- that is far more refined and liberating than some (partially realized perhaps) mahavakya. How one cultures that sadhu state -- it may or may not be through shastra. I have no opinion on that of consequence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to say some months ago about human virtues are the fruit and a milestone of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some people are good. To their core. That, to me, is a far more advanced state of freedom and refinement than merely having no owenership of action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. My experience has been that when the concepts Guru Dev expressed below have been expressed openly in any effective way by anyone of any significant influence within the TMO, that there has been a concerted effort to attack and eradicate those concepts and censor them. The idea that you can do whatever the hell you want and attain God and enlightenment prevails. The only thing really required within the TMO is total conformity to the TMO party line. It's all been a result of Maharishi's direction and wishes. And as a result of this you get people like Jim Flanegan [aka sandiego] claiming brahman and acting with total disregard for the Shastras and indifference toward what is wicked and what is sacred. That which Paramatman [God] with form and influence represents is apparently willfully missing in the expressions and lives of these people. === When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 Link to the above: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Young Dove, tell me, when you write Richard do you mean his small self as lived in his life? His small self as an emergent property of this chat room? His big Self? All of the above? Some of the above? - Original Message From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:54:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil Richard wrote: Total abortions in the United States since 1973: 48,589,993, all man-made murders on a massive scale and not a single word of objection from Mr. Ed. Okay, gang, Richard wants a public beating, again, so I'm going to deliver it. It's poetry time. As a legal protection, let me point out that all my opinions are opinions and not statements of proven truth. To the extent that I am projecting, sue me, but note that just because I can find these dark corners of evil represented in my psyche and amplify them into text doesn't invalidate my summations of him. Richard can also have these attributes, and -- OPINION STARTS NOW -- I maintain that these faint nuances at the bleak end of my moral spectrums can be found in Richard in all their fullest expressions of corrupt manifestation, and, additionally, I think he identifies with this low-dog status, and this accounts for the glee he obviously feels to present himself to others -- he glories in being exactly as depicted below: Richard J. Williams is an unmitigated prick. Richard J. Williams is an evil-supporting, war-mongering apologist for killing children for oil -- ample proof of his having approximately the I.Q. of a rehydrated wad of prehistoric coprolite. Richard J. Williams pretends to have spiritual acumen but is merely a cut-and-pasting plagiarizing sham with less status than a defrocked jailed priest. Richard J. Williams pretends to think important thoughts, but even the world's friendliest dog would tuck its tail and run from his vile presence. Richard J. Williams is a never-learned- shit-from- any-guru- or-scripture, smarmy, marauding, deranged, Internet troll. Richard J. Williams has all the immediate appeal of reeking turd shot out of a truck-smashed diseased snake. Richard J. Williams pretends to be holy and learned and wise by creating Web pages filled with delusions and lies and egoic puffery that any true-hearted person can instantly recognize as the dreck, the drivel, and the defective drainage of a doomed mind. Richard J. Williams' only intent when he posts is to annoy anyone in any thread so that he then gets anger directed at himself, and in this fashion he tries to publicly flagellate and abuse himself as a sick expiation of his spiritual effrontery. Richard J. Williams would change places with Bevan Morris in a heartbeat, and the world would never notice the difference. Richard J. Williams is the type of person that would immediately begin spasming in writhing agony and deep physical unstressing if he were to be in the presence of anything with the least bit of innocence -- even a plastic fake flower would do the triggering. Richard J. Williams would be the first person to go nuts in a foxhole and endanger the others. Richard J. Williams would think he was the logical choice to be captain of a lifeboat, but everyone at FairFieldLife knows he would be the first to be tossed overboard by a 100% vote of everyone else -- even a crippled, 87 year old, 96 pound, skeletal gaped mouthed person in a coma with one more day to live would be kept aboard rather than him. Richard J. Williams had the world handed to him by being born with elitist credentials that 99% of the world would envy but he has spent his lifetime being a simple jerkoff who leaves only failure, anger, and foul memories in his wake. Richard J. Williams is the type of person who romanticizes being a real terrorist who does really bad things, but if he did ever try for that great leap forward in his evolution, he would be immediately captured. Of course, he would never be waterboarded since even a short-bus chimpanzee could easily see him for the pure bullshitter that he is and that he's not even worth the price of the helicopter gas to get him into a rendition facility. Richard J. Williams will never recognize that he is a lurching clown at Rick's party who, wig askew, with vomit stains on his costume, would scare any child within 200 feet and is registering a 9.5 on Richter's creepy scale. Richard J. Williams is erotically charged by identifying with the persona of a lost pathetic deluded malevolence. I would suggest standing back a few feet from Richard J. Williams at all times. Come on, Richard, sue me for these opinions, and let me trot out all your writings in a court of law. I want to hear a judge laughing for the first time in my life. Edg Send instant messages to your online
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I know some secret magical stuff too. If anyone would like protection from the evil eclipse I am selling dried and painted goat bladders with the perfect counter hex for the evil influences. It will allow you to let shadows touch you and eat.(but I don't recommend the spinach dip,there is something off about this batch) Promoting superstitious fear about natural phenomena is neither enlightened or enlightening. (However, this was my favorite post so far this week) For a perspective on the universe that is currently blowing my mind (I know...it didn't exactly take a big stick of dynamite!) I suggest The View From the Center of the Universe, discovering our extraordinary place in the cosmos by Primack and Abrams. (It is a brilliant husband and wife team, but don't worry fans of Vedic culture, he kept her female hysteria under control in this book) Anyhe the issues with trying to conceptualize objects, whose presence we only detect years after their light reaches us, reminds me more of trying to sift meaning out of Aristotle's Metaphysics than concrete earth sciences. It is a mind blower. I gunna finish it with my shades drawn during the eclipse with a an inflated goat bladder on my head. (not because of the eclipse, thats just how I roll) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the Moon's eastern edge slowly moves into the Earth's umbral shadow. During the partial phases, it takes just over an hour for the Moon's orbital motion to carry it entirely within the Earth's dark umbra. The color and brightness of the totally eclipsed Moon can vary considerably from one eclipse to another. Dark eclipses are caused by volcanic gas and dust which filters and blocks much of the Sun's light from reaching the Moon. But since no major volcanic eruptions have taken place recently, the Moon will probably take on a vivid red or orange color during the total phase. After the total phase ends, it is once again followed by a partial eclipse as the Moon gradually leaves the umbral shadow. The total phase of a lunar eclipse is called totality. At this time, the Moon is completely immersed within the Earth's dark umbral shadow. During the February 20 eclipse totality will last just under 50 minutes. This is quite a bit less than the last total lunar eclipse
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating. He stood in front of Maharishi's body for a few minutes and then left the hall. I jumped up when he left the building and followed him. The day before I had tried to get that one special look from him, but I had not done it...So now I would have another chance, it seemed... RAJA RAM walked outside and walked slowly, toward the building next door,me in tow. I had no idea what was going to be happening, but I was going to be there. Some one told me they were about to have a private press conference, with T.V. and newspaper reporters only. All the Rajas following behind Raja Ram in a row.Men and women all dressed in white, wearing gold crowns, it seemed surrealistic or something...Medieval... Everyone was trying to squeeze in the door, but I got in easily. I saw an empty seat, near the front in the third row, so I took it. I had a perfect view of Ram Raja. Again I was hoping he would look at me and smile, but he didn't! No such luck...I sat there for about a half an hour. Mainly only Newspaper and T.V. reporters were there. Just a few of us behind them. The news people were all standing up in front, taking pictures. Raja Ram did not speak, he just looked around the room and starred at different people. He has a powerful presence. I was hoping again that he'd look at me and smile, or acknowledge me in some way, but he did not!!! John Hagelin was the only one to speak. He told the crowd that he was going to read Raja Ram's Royal Decree about the Movement and what would be happening next..Future plans etc...and that when he finished reading it, Raja Ram and the Rajas would leave the room, and that he would answer their questions. After John finished reading the Proclamation, Raja Ram very quietly got up and headed for the door. After he left the room, then John Hagelin took questions from the press. I got up and followed Raja Ram outside, again hoping for a personal encounter... I stood there, only three or four people away from him, but no glance in my direction. He stood outside for quite some time, letting the photographers take pictures. He scanned the group many times, but always looked around or above me. Still no look in my direction...I was starting to get a kick out of this... Then the group headed towards the Viewing Hall to be with Maharishi again, so I followed. When I got to the door I was guided to the right, where all the chairs were set up for people to meditate or do whatever they needed to do to say Goodbye to Maharishi.The guard at the door was gently moving me towards the right side of the hall, to the front row. I wasn't looking up, I was looking down at my feet, so I didn't notice who was sitting there, until I stopped and glanced up... I was standing directly above RAJA RAM, who was sitting in the second chair from the aisle, Bevan was next to him I think. They were sitting in small, red plastic, outdoor patio chairs. Very Funky, yet so humble... I liked that... I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... We both BOWED to each other and I said: JAI GURU DEV And then I simply added THANK YOU!!! I walked on, so FULFILLED... Maharishi had granted yet another one of my wishes...MY WISH TO HAVE HIM SMILE AT ME ONE MORE TIME! ! You see from that first moment when I saw Raja Ram the day before for my first time, I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly...I kept following him around, just like I used to follow MAHARISHI around, seeking out those PRECIOUS SMILES, that I loved so much. Those SMILES that MELTED YOUR HEART into Millions of Pieces...Those SMILES that only Maharishi could give. I asked Maharishi as I was sitting in the hall that afternoon, If He would SMILE at me in HIS new RAJA RAM form, and as usual HE granted my wish... I am so GRATEFUL, so ETERNALLY GRATEFUL For the Whole Experience of those three precious days...When I said: Thank You to Raja Ram, I knew I was saying Thank You to Maharishi for giving me that BEAUTIFUL SMILE once more...and for inviting me to come to his last Farewell Party!!! JAI GUR DEV MAHARISHI Metering, Tony Nadir In him, the Force is strong. According to this: FW: e-mail eye witness at the funeral in India: We arrived outside the building, preciously at the time Raja Ram had just walked out of the hall where the viewing of Maharishi was taking place. There was a whole entourage around him. Lots of camera men also, from various newspapers.It seems that we arrived at the exact time when the first viewing of Maharishi had just occured, with all the Movement dignitaries Several Rajas dressed in their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
There is no kundalini there is only rigpa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
Its snowing here (in Sierras). I assume that blocks any influence,yes? Nature's protective shield? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the Moon's eastern edge slowly moves into the Earth's umbral shadow. During the partial phases, it takes just over an hour for the Moon's orbital motion to carry it entirely within the Earth's dark umbra. The color and brightness of the totally eclipsed Moon can vary considerably from one eclipse to another. Dark eclipses are caused by volcanic gas and dust which filters and blocks much of the Sun's light from reaching the Moon. But since no major volcanic eruptions have taken place recently, the Moon will probably take on a vivid red or orange color during the total phase. After the total phase ends, it is once again followed by a partial eclipse as the Moon gradually leaves the umbral shadow. The total phase of a lunar eclipse is called totality. At this time, the Moon is completely immersed within the Earth's dark umbral shadow. During the February 20 eclipse totality will last just under 50 minutes. This is quite a bit less than the last total lunar eclipse ( August 28, 2007) which lasted 90 minutes. The major phases of the eclipse occur as follows (all times are GMT or Greenwich Mean Time). The partial eclipse commences with first umbral contact at 01:43 GMT or 8:43 pm EST. Totality begins at 03:01 GMT, 10:01 pm EST and lasts until 03:51 GMT, 10:51 pm EST. The partial phases end at 05:09 GMT. February's lunar eclipse is well-placed for North and South America as well as Europe and Africa. Observers along North America's west coast miss the early stages of the partial eclipse because it begins before moon rise. Alaskans in Anchorage and Fairbanks experience moonrise during totality but bright evening twilight will make it difficult for sourdoughs to view the event. Western Europe and northwest Africa also see the entire eclipse. Further to the east (east Africa and central Asia), the Moon sets before the eclipse ends. None of the eclipse is visible from eastern Asia or Australia. Preceeding and following the eclipse are hour-long penumbral phases but these are faint and quite difficult to see. The more interesting and photogenic partial and total phases always take center stage to the penumbral phases. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
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[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to say some months ago about human virtues are the fruit and a milestone of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some people are good. To their core. That, to me, is a far more advanced state of freedom and refinement than merely having no owenership of action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. My experience has been that when the concepts Guru Dev expressed below have been expressed openly in any effective way by anyone of any significant influence within the TMO, that there has been a concerted effort to attack and eradicate those concepts and censor them. The idea that you can do whatever the hell you want and attain God and enlightenment prevails. The only thing really required within the TMO is total conformity to the TMO party line. It's all been a result of Maharishi's direction and wishes. And as a result of this you get people like Jim Flanegan [aka sandiego] claiming brahman and acting with total disregard for the Shastras and indifference toward what is wicked and what is sacred. That which Paramatman [God] with form and influence represents is apparently willfully missing in the expressions and lives of these people. === When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 Link to the above: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
Curtis, you are slipping. The most obvious shield of protection comes from staying in deep coitus during the entire eclipse. With a stranger. No names. Very important. Go to any bar around 4pm PST and make your pitch. You will thank me. Um for the protections. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I know some secret magical stuff too. If anyone would like protection from the evil eclipse I am selling dried and painted goat bladders with the perfect counter hex for the evil influences. It will allow you to let shadows touch you and eat.(but I don't recommend the spinach dip,there is something off about this batch) Promoting superstitious fear about natural phenomena is neither enlightened or enlightening. (However, this was my favorite post so far this week) For a perspective on the universe that is currently blowing my mind (I know...it didn't exactly take a big stick of dynamite!) I suggest The View From the Center of the Universe, discovering our extraordinary place in the cosmos by Primack and Abrams. (It is a brilliant husband and wife team, but don't worry fans of Vedic culture, he kept her female hysteria under control in this book) Anyhe the issues with trying to conceptualize objects, whose presence we only detect years after their light reaches us, reminds me more of trying to sift meaning out of Aristotle's Metaphysics than concrete earth sciences. It is a mind blower. I gunna finish it with my shades drawn during the eclipse with a an inflated goat bladder on my head. (not because of the eclipse, thats just how I roll) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the Moon's eastern edge slowly moves into the Earth's umbral shadow. During the partial phases, it takes just over an hour for the Moon's orbital motion to carry it entirely within the Earth's dark umbra. The color and brightness of the totally eclipsed Moon can vary considerably from one eclipse to another. Dark eclipses are caused by volcanic gas and dust which filters and blocks much of the Sun's light from reaching the Moon. But since no major volcanic eruptions have taken place recently, the Moon will probably take on a vivid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no kundalini there is only rigpa. Kelly? Thats what Regis said too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly... I've said some snarky things about Raja Nosejob...damn its become a habit. But he is probably a decent guy who has been thrust by circumstances into PURE HELL. He is about to get the personality warping assault that brought Maharishi from a meditation peddler to an inaugurator of imaginary institutions and imagineer of fanciful historical moments. I will not take pleasure in watching how this effects him during his reign, but I will be riveted in Britney train wreck fixity. What is the Vedic word for restraining order? You might want to station one of your minions at the local courthouse Tony, cuz something tells me that getting your Maharishi smile is only step one. Step two involves duct tape. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating. He stood in front of Maharishi's body for a few minutes and then left the hall. I jumped up when he left the building and followed him. The day before I had tried to get that one special look from him, but I had not done it...So now I would have another chance, it seemed... RAJA RAM walked outside and walked slowly, toward the building next door,me in tow. I had no idea what was going to be happening, but I was going to be there. Some one told me they were about to have a private press conference, with T.V. and newspaper reporters only. All the Rajas following behind Raja Ram in a row.Men and women all dressed in white, wearing gold crowns, it seemed surrealistic or something...Medieval... Everyone was trying to squeeze in the door, but I got in easily. I saw an empty seat, near the front in the third row, so I took it. I had a perfect view of Ram Raja. Again I was hoping he would look at me and smile, but he didn't! No such luck...I sat there for about a half an hour. Mainly only Newspaper and T.V. reporters were there. Just a few of us behind them. The news people were all standing up in front, taking pictures. Raja Ram did not speak, he just looked around the room and starred at different people. He has a powerful presence. I was hoping again that he'd look at me and smile, or acknowledge me in some way, but he did not!!! John Hagelin was the only one to speak. He told the crowd that he was going to read Raja Ram's Royal Decree about the Movement and what would be happening next..Future plans etc...and that when he finished reading it, Raja Ram and the Rajas would leave the room, and that he would answer their questions. After John finished reading the Proclamation, Raja Ram very quietly got up and headed for the door. After he left the room, then John Hagelin took questions from the press. I got up and followed Raja Ram outside, again hoping for a personal encounter... I stood there, only three or four people away from him, but no glance in my direction. He stood outside for quite some time, letting the photographers take pictures. He scanned the group many times, but always looked around or above me. Still no look in my direction...I was starting to get a kick out of this... Then the group headed towards the Viewing Hall to be with Maharishi again, so I followed. When I got to the door I was guided to the right, where all the chairs were set up for people to meditate or do whatever they needed to do to say Goodbye to Maharishi.The guard at the door was gently moving me towards the right side of the hall, to the front row. I wasn't looking up, I was looking down at my feet, so I didn't notice who was sitting there, until I stopped and glanced up... I was standing directly above RAJA RAM, who was sitting in the second chair from the aisle, Bevan was next to him I think. They were sitting in small, red plastic, outdoor patio chairs. Very Funky, yet so humble... I liked that... I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... We both BOWED to each other and I said: JAI GURU DEV And then I simply added THANK YOU!!! I walked on, so FULFILLED... Maharishi had granted yet another one of my wishes...MY WISH TO HAVE HIM SMILE AT ME ONE MORE TIME! ! You see from that first moment when I saw Raja Ram the day before for my first time, I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly...I kept following him around, just like I used to follow MAHARISHI around, seeking out those PRECIOUS SMILES, that I loved so much. Those SMILES that MELTED YOUR HEART into Millions of Pieces...Those SMILES that only Maharishi could give. I asked Maharishi as I was sitting in the hall that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. ---Only way to qualify goodness is to seek to understand a person's invisible intention. Thus if they act from good feelings they are good. But if they act from bad feelings they are bad. Thus seek thine own intentions for a study of how karma begins. Thus one person might serve another an orgasm because they were so good. While yet another may not imbibe because they were so good. In each case sheer goodness rules the day. Sometimes goodness can be too much however and then it becomes extreme and bad. But simple goodness is quite easy because it's everything. While godness gone bad is merely extremely good. Thus bad. I meant goodness, but godness is the same thing. For instance I love girls and they are one with God, I can even worship them but yet, if I place some ultimate valuation upon them then I fail to recognize the real truth of all-goodness. However as part of all-goodness I can still worship a good bit. Woman replace man in the above. Gays, you figure it out. Figuring it all out is the equation. As for the answer nobody really knows. It's ionic versus covalent bonding. Passing energy or making compounds. We bond, or separate based in chemistry. Based in coincidence. Thus karma. Energy is not lost or found but remains constant. Some people say, Fuck you Kirk, I say, Fuck you God. Thus two energies merge to grow stronger. Instead of fighting. This is tantra. Not for the mentally weak. Goddess can take it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:23 AM, new.morning wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:06 PM, gullible fool wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. JOOC, what did they tell you would happen, gull? Undoubtedly, that negative influences would decrease. Yep. I wonder if they told him that he'd be less attached to material wealth. At least it would show they had a sense of humor. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, you are slipping. The most obvious shield of protection comes from staying in deep coitus during the entire eclipse. With a stranger. No names. Very important. Go to any bar around 4pm PST and make your pitch. You will thank me. Um for the protections. Do glory holes count? I might be able to get that together in time. (I have a wide stance.) Plus I live in DC (last call 1:30) not NYC and I have found that I can't breach a woman's who is this loser shield that early in the night. BTW I didn't know that eclipses only last 2 minutes. (OK I was just front'n as a total stud, I mean 30 seconds.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I know some secret magical stuff too. If anyone would like protection from the evil eclipse I am selling dried and painted goat bladders with the perfect counter hex for the evil influences. It will allow you to let shadows touch you and eat.(but I don't recommend the spinach dip,there is something off about this batch) Promoting superstitious fear about natural phenomena is neither enlightened or enlightening. (However, this was my favorite post so far this week) For a perspective on the universe that is currently blowing my mind (I know...it didn't exactly take a big stick of dynamite!) I suggest The View From the Center of the Universe, discovering our extraordinary place in the cosmos by Primack and Abrams. (It is a brilliant husband and wife team, but don't worry fans of Vedic culture, he kept her female hysteria under control in this book) Anyhe the issues with trying to conceptualize objects, whose presence we only detect years after their light reaches us, reminds me more of trying to sift meaning out of Aristotle's Metaphysics than concrete earth sciences. It is a mind blower. I gunna finish it with my shades drawn during the eclipse with a an inflated goat bladder on my head. (not because of the eclipse, thats just how I roll) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. ---Only way to qualify goodness is to seek to understand a person's invisible intention. Thus if they act from good feelings they are good. But if they act from bad feelings they are bad. Thus seek thine own intentions for a study of how karma begins. Thus one person might serve another an orgasm because they were so good. While yet another may not imbibe because they were so good. In each case sheer goodness rules the day. Sometimes goodness can be too much however and then it becomes extreme and bad. But simple goodness is quite easy because it's everything. While godness gone bad is merely extremely good. Thus bad. I meant goodness, but godness is the same thing. For instance I love girls and they are one with God, I can even worship them but yet, if I place some ultimate valuation upon them then I fail to recognize the real truth of all-goodness. However as part of all-goodness I can still worship a good bit. Woman replace man in the above. Gays, you figure it out. Figuring it all out is the equation. As for the answer nobody really knows. It's ionic versus covalent bonding. Passing energy or making compounds. We bond, or separate based in chemistry. Based in coincidence. Thus karma. Energy is not lost or found but remains constant. Some people say, Fuck you Kirk, I say, Fuck you God. Thus two energies merge to grow stronger. I'd bet Paramatma [God] would disagree with you. Instead of fighting. This is tantra. Not for the mentally weak. Goddess can take it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Past life experience and how it relates to practice in this life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: So can I ask you, or indeed anyone who has had a past-life experience, how real it was? Or maybe real isn't the main thing maybe it's how much sense it makes personally. I'm in the dark about it. I've only had a few that I would consider clear experiences of past lives, as opposed to having a general feeling about a certain era or place. Most of the former were a little visionary in that there was something that happened that was out of the ordinary that makes me think that I wasn't just moodmaking or that my brain wasn't just free associating based on things I know from this life. In a few of these experiences I had a literal vision in that the present just went away, and what I was seeing and experiencing felt like I'd stepped into some kind of viewer into the past. I tried to write up one such experience in one of the stories in Road Trip Mind, at: http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm46.html Good story, amazing looking place too. I can see why you moved there! I understand what you mean about power places now, some landscapes really resonate with me, like most of the West Country of England, but not just anywhere, stonehenge leaves me cold yet Avebury stone circle blows me away. But there's a place called Waylands Smithy it's an ancient burial mound just off the ridgeway, one of the oldest trackways in England,and going there for the first time I got a really profound sense of belonging, it was like I'd never been away and man it's so quiet, a really holy place you can sit in the entrance to the burial mound and time stands still whatever the weather, any time of year it's beautiful. The white horse at uffington gets me everytime too. http://www.berkshirehistory.com/archaeology/white_horse.html http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/majorsites/uffington.html The landscape looks like nothing special in photo's, it's just the atmosphere. There is a line in England and when I cross it heading west it changes me, I feel more alive. Never associated it with anything like reincarnation though, maybe because I don't usually think in that way about the world, can't explain it though. I never had the time-slip experience but have read about it before, wish I could rememebr the book title! It was about people visiting ancient monuments and walking into the iron age and being able to describe the clothes and jewellery, farm implements etc, even though they weren't experts. Fascinating stuff. When the present just goes away and all of your perceptions seem to be taking place *in* the past, like some kind of vision, I tend to take those experiences a little more seriously than just having a vague feeling of familiarity about a time or place. Another type of experience that I tend to give more credence to and consider more than moodmaking is when I go to some place of power (as I am wont to do) and not only feel that I've been there before, I can describe what's going to be around the next bend or in the next room before we get there to other people who visiting that place with me. I've done that with Quéribus, the place I wrote about in the link above, and at other Cathar-related sites. I've had similar experiences in Canyon de Chelly and Chaco Canyon and in the basements of the Papal Palace in Avignon, where I was telling my guide where all the secret passages were before he could tell me about them. All in all, though, I just treat these things as entertainment. I may *enjoy* having these rare flashes, but I'm not convinced that any of them have provided benefit to my sadhana in any way. The visionary ones are more like seeing a clip from a movie that you starred in long, long ago. It's neat to see it, but you worked on that film *so* long ago that you're no longer getting any residual royalties from the Actor's Guild, so what use is it, anyway? :-) I guess no actual use, but nice to keep copies of old movies just for the nostalgia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
I know that pointing out spelling errors is pretty gauche (except for Judy), but in this case, I think it worth pointing out that the man's name is not Nadir. I haven't been reading all the posts due to being busy with Paula in China and Paul in Japan getting them up to speed to teach the sutras of English, so I don't know if anyone else has bothered to note that if name is form, then it is not auspicious to call Tony Nadir. On the other hand, if Tony is Nadir, then there's nowhere to go for him but up. - Original Message From: dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating. He stood in front of Maharishi's body for a few minutes and then left the hall. I jumped up when he left the building and followed him. The day before I had tried to get that one special look from him, but I had not done it...So now I would have another chance, it seemed... RAJA RAM walked outside and walked slowly, toward the building next door,me in tow. I had no idea what was going to be happening, but I was going to be there. Some one told me they were about to have a private press conference, with T.V. and newspaper reporters only. All the Rajas following behind Raja Ram in a row.Men and women all dressed in white, wearing gold crowns, it seemed surrealistic or something... Medieval. .. Everyone was trying to squeeze in the door, but I got in easily. I saw an empty seat, near the front in the third row, so I took it. I had a perfect view of Ram Raja. Again I was hoping he would look at me and smile, but he didn't! No such luck...I sat there for about a half an hour. Mainly only Newspaper and T.V. reporters were there. Just a few of us behind them. The news people were all standing up in front, taking pictures. Raja Ram did not speak, he just looked around the room and starred at different people. He has a powerful presence. I was hoping again that he'd look at me and smile, or acknowledge me in some way, but he did not!!! John Hagelin was the only one to speak. He told the crowd that he was going to read Raja Ram's Royal Decree about the Movement and what would be happening next..Future plans etc...and that when he finished reading it, Raja Ram and the Rajas would leave the room, and that he would answer their questions. After John finished reading the Proclamation, Raja Ram very quietly got up and headed for the door. After he left the room, then John Hagelin took questions from the press. I got up and followed Raja Ram outside, again hoping for a personal encounter... I stood there, only three or four people away from him, but no glance in my direction. He stood outside for quite some time, letting the photographers take pictures. He scanned the group many times, but always looked around or above me. Still no look in my direction... I was starting to get a kick out of this... Then the group headed towards the Viewing Hall to be with Maharishi again, so I followed. When I got to the door I was guided to the right, where all the chairs were set up for people to meditate or do whatever they needed to do to say Goodbye to Maharishi.The guard at the door was gently moving me towards the right side of the hall, to the front row. I wasn't looking up, I was looking down at my feet, so I didn't notice who was sitting there, until I stopped and glanced up... I was standing directly above RAJA RAM, who was sitting in the second chair from the aisle, Bevan was next to him I think. They were sitting in small, red plastic, outdoor patio chairs. Very Funky, yet so humble... I liked that... I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... We both BOWED to each other and I said: JAI GURU DEV And then I simply added THANK YOU!!! I walked on, so FULFILLED... Maharishi had granted yet another one of my wishes...MY WISH TO HAVE HIM SMILE AT ME ONE MORE TIME! ! You see from that first moment when I saw Raja Ram the day before for my first time, I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly...I kept following him around, just like I used to follow MAHARISHI around, seeking out those PRECIOUS SMILES, that I loved so much. Those SMILES that MELTED YOUR HEART into Millions of Pieces...Those SMILES that only Maharishi could give. I asked Maharishi as I was sitting in the hall that afternoon, If He would SMILE at me in HIS new RAJA RAM form, and as usual HE granted my wish... I am so GRATEFUL, so
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point, though, is not a clarion call to follow, or not follow, any shastras, sciptures or ethics. My only point is that there is a state of sadhu-- goodness -- a deep zone -- that is far more refined and liberating than some (partially realized perhaps) mahavakya. How one cultures that sadhu state -- it may or may not be through shastra. I have no opinion on that of consequence. My point is that Paramatma [God with form and influence] is *central* to the whole thing and not in any way secondary or incidental. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to say some months ago about human virtues are the fruit and a milestone of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some people are good. To their core. That, to me, is a far more advanced state of freedom and refinement than merely having no owenership of action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. Always uplifting. My experience has been that when the concepts Guru Dev expressed below have been expressed openly in any effective way by anyone of any significant influence within the TMO, that there has been a concerted effort to attack and eradicate those concepts and censor them. The idea that you can do whatever the hell you want and attain God and enlightenment prevails. The only thing really required within the TMO is total conformity to the TMO party line. It's all been a result of Maharishi's direction and wishes. And as a result of this you get people like Jim Flanegan [aka sandiego] claiming brahman and acting with total disregard for the Shastras and indifference toward what is wicked and what is sacred. That which Paramatman [God] with form and influence represents is apparently willfully missing in the expressions and lives of these people. === When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] is not nourished but is destroyed. Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 9 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 == A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can he not be and what can he not do? Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with qualities). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the
RE: [FairfieldLife] This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6 I think Obama could speak for himself better than that guy can speak for him. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. Um how does one actually go about avoiding it? I mean if astrology works then the forces are going to work whether we are looking at the planets or not, otherwise it would be pretty easy to sidestep their effects by staying inside or just wearing a hat. Or are they telling us that looking at the moon when the earths shadow goes over it is somehow bad. Is walking in the shadow of a building any worse? If not, why not. Karma be damned, I'm going to sit and watch the eclipse tonight simply because it's a really beautiful sight.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
Any idea who wrote this? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating. He stood in front of Maharishi's body for a few minutes and then left the hall. I jumped up when he left the building and followed him. The day before I had tried to get that one special look from him, but I had not done it...So now I would have another chance, it seemed... RAJA RAM walked outside and walked slowly, toward the building next door,me in tow. I had no idea what was going to be happening, but I was going to be there. Some one told me they were about to have a private press conference, with T.V. and newspaper reporters only. All the Rajas following behind Raja Ram in a row.Men and women all dressed in white, wearing gold crowns, it seemed surrealistic or something...Medieval... Everyone was trying to squeeze in the door, but I got in easily. I saw an empty seat, near the front in the third row, so I took it. I had a perfect view of Ram Raja. Again I was hoping he would look at me and smile, but he didn't! No such luck...I sat there for about a half an hour. Mainly only Newspaper and T.V. reporters were there. Just a few of us behind them. The news people were all standing up in front, taking pictures. Raja Ram did not speak, he just looked around the room and starred at different people. He has a powerful presence. I was hoping again that he'd look at me and smile, or acknowledge me in some way, but he did not!!! John Hagelin was the only one to speak. He told the crowd that he was going to read Raja Ram's Royal Decree about the Movement and what would be happening next..Future plans etc...and that when he finished reading it, Raja Ram and the Rajas would leave the room, and that he would answer their questions. After John finished reading the Proclamation, Raja Ram very quietly got up and headed for the door. After he left the room, then John Hagelin took questions from the press. I got up and followed Raja Ram outside, again hoping for a personal encounter... I stood there, only three or four people away from him, but no glance in my direction. He stood outside for quite some time, letting the photographers take pictures. He scanned the group many times, but always looked around or above me. Still no look in my direction...I was starting to get a kick out of this... Then the group headed towards the Viewing Hall to be with Maharishi again, so I followed. When I got to the door I was guided to the right, where all the chairs were set up for people to meditate or do whatever they needed to do to say Goodbye to Maharishi.The guard at the door was gently moving me towards the right side of the hall, to the front row. I wasn't looking up, I was looking down at my feet, so I didn't notice who was sitting there, until I stopped and glanced up... I was standing directly above RAJA RAM, who was sitting in the second chair from the aisle, Bevan was next to him I think. They were sitting in small, red plastic, outdoor patio chairs. Very Funky, yet so humble... I liked that... I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... We both BOWED to each other and I said: JAI GURU DEV And then I simply added THANK YOU!!! I walked on, so FULFILLED... Maharishi had granted yet another one of my wishes...MY WISH TO HAVE HIM SMILE AT ME ONE MORE TIME! ! You see from that first moment when I saw Raja Ram the day before for my first time, I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly...I kept following him around, just like I used to follow MAHARISHI around, seeking out those PRECIOUS SMILES, that I loved so much. Those SMILES that MELTED YOUR HEART into Millions of Pieces...Those SMILES that only Maharishi could give. I asked Maharishi as I was sitting in the hall that afternoon, If He would SMILE at me in HIS new RAJA RAM form, and as usual HE granted my wish... I am so GRATEFUL, so ETERNALLY GRATEFUL For the Whole Experience of those three precious days...When I said: Thank You to Raja Ram, I knew I was saying Thank You to Maharishi for giving me that BEAUTIFUL SMILE once more...and for inviting me to come to his last Farewell Party!!! JAI GUR DEV MAHARISHI Metering, Tony Nadir In him, the Force is strong. According to this: FW: e-mail eye witness at the funeral in India: We arrived outside the building, preciously at the time Raja Ram had just walked out of the hall where the viewing of Maharishi was taking place. There was a whole
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
Does the poster have even a remote clue as to how ridiculous this is? What a complete little puppy-dog he must be. We should hire some zen master to beat him with one of those sticks to within an inch of his life! --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating. He stood in front of Maharishi's body for a few minutes and then left the hall. I jumped up when he left the building and followed him. The day before I had tried to get that one special look from him, but I had not done it...So now I would have another chance, it seemed... RAJA RAM walked outside and walked slowly, toward the building next door,me in tow. I had no idea what was going to be happening, but I was going to be there. Some one told me they were about to have a private press conference, with T.V. and newspaper reporters only. All the Rajas following behind Raja Ram in a row.Men and women all dressed in white, wearing gold crowns, it seemed surrealistic or something...Medieval... Everyone was trying to squeeze in the door, but I got in easily. I saw an empty seat, near the front in the third row, so I took it. I had a perfect view of Ram Raja. Again I was hoping he would look at me and smile, but he didn't! No such luck...I sat there for about a half an hour. Mainly only Newspaper and T.V. reporters were there. Just a few of us behind them. The news people were all standing up in front, taking pictures. Raja Ram did not speak, he just looked around the room and starred at different people. He has a powerful presence. I was hoping again that he'd look at me and smile, or acknowledge me in some way, but he did not!!! John Hagelin was the only one to speak. He told the crowd that he was going to read Raja Ram's Royal Decree about the Movement and what would be happening next..Future plans etc...and that when he finished reading it, Raja Ram and the Rajas would leave the room, and that he would answer their questions. After John finished reading the Proclamation, Raja Ram very quietly got up and headed for the door. After he left the room, then John Hagelin took questions from the press. I got up and followed Raja Ram outside, again hoping for a personal encounter... I stood there, only three or four people away from him, but no glance in my direction. He stood outside for quite some time, letting the photographers take pictures. He scanned the group many times, but always looked around or above me. Still no look in my direction...I was starting to get a kick out of this... Then the group headed towards the Viewing Hall to be with Maharishi again, so I followed. When I got to the door I was guided to the right, where all the chairs were set up for people to meditate or do whatever they needed to do to say Goodbye to Maharishi.The guard at the door was gently moving me towards the right side of the hall, to the front row. I wasn't looking up, I was looking down at my feet, so I didn't notice who was sitting there, until I stopped and glanced up... I was standing directly above RAJA RAM, who was sitting in the second chair from the aisle, Bevan was next to him I think. They were sitting in small, red plastic, outdoor patio chairs. Very Funky, yet so humble... I liked that... I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... We both BOWED to each other and I said: JAI GURU DEV And then I simply added THANK YOU!!! I walked on, so FULFILLED... Maharishi had granted yet another one of my wishes...MY WISH TO HAVE HIM SMILE AT ME ONE MORE TIME! ! You see from that first moment when I saw Raja Ram the day before for my first time, I KNEW MAHARISHI had MERGED in HIM... I could see it, feel it, I experienced it so clearly...I kept following him around, just like I used to follow MAHARISHI around, seeking out those PRECIOUS SMILES, that I loved so much. Those SMILES that MELTED YOUR HEART into Millions of Pieces...Those SMILES that only Maharishi could give. I asked Maharishi as I was sitting in the hall that afternoon, If He would SMILE at me in HIS new RAJA RAM form, and as usual HE granted my wish... I am so GRATEFUL, so ETERNALLY GRATEFUL For the Whole Experience of those three precious days...When I said: Thank You to Raja Ram, I knew I was saying Thank You to Maharishi for giving me that BEAUTIFUL SMILE once more...and for inviting me to come to his last Farewell Party!!! JAI GUR DEV MAHARISHI Metering, Tony Nadir In him, the Force is strong. According to this: FW: e-mail eye witness at the funeral in India:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Past life experience and how it relates to practice in this life
I have only had a few experiences based in the past life category, as such 1). In Golden Domes I felt sometimes like I had lived in India with Buddha, and he had been a kind person. I aways saw a green bit of forest and a stream. But sometimes I feel it was probably something I was remembering from the movie Siddhartha. 2). A past life regressionist had me descend into some memories of where I thought I was in the West when it has dirt streets and I was a walking salesman. Did that when I was fourteen. I thought, Boring last life. 3). As a cook I have stood over fire for countless hours and I have had deja vu bordering on the absurd. At one point it actually made me depressed. It started the first day I cooked and never stopped. I remember seeing light shine in a window in my face (in a restaurant where the kitchen looked out) and the heat and light was like timeless. And the smoke from meat. 4). Devi Bhavani from a Buddhist Master - can only be adamantine relationship, since he died and only gave darshan to a couple hundred. Very uncommon teaching of all-goodness. Is not able to break down into lives. Nor religion, nor time nor place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realizing Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a different take on being good. It can include your view above, which to me a sort of Ayn Rand view of altruism. However, per my prior adjacent post on being sadhu and good, from SBS quote, I know there is a ground state of goodness. When one is in that zone, its all good. All action is permeated with love, respect, caring,tenderness, support, and helpfulness. Its not an intellectual thing. Not the result of a phd in Ethics or Religious Shastras. And its clear when someone is functioning from that zone. No fancy titles or labels can disguise it,or make what is not there appear. I think we must agree somewhere, and maybe disagree with details. Not sure about what you include of the Ayn Rand view of altruism. Although I am a fan of Rand's philosophy, I think her writings really missed out on emotional development. When I wrote that post, along with the C.S. Lewis quote, I was thinking along the lines of the Louis Bromfield novel A Good Woman. This woman was just the opposite of what you describe above. One could see the sourness in her face, and feel the anger seething below the surface, yet she always did exactly the good works that drew approval from her church circle. The novel painted a clear picture of emotional hypocrisy. I agree with you that when someone is functioning from the zone of goodness, No fancy titles or labels can disguise it,or make what is not there appear. However, that doesn't make it all good. I have seen very well-meaning people take actions that are simply misinformed.* Action is quite a concrete thing, and translation from the emotional/spiritual state of goodness to the physical state of action sometimes gets garbled. ~~~ ~~~ I use the term misguided so often my children asked me once, Is everybody who disagrees with you misguided? ;)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
Dangerous territory you walk. IMO ---You have not worn a mala of ekamukhi rdraksha to the toilet. Fucking is merely a specific vayu combined with certain twattwas. Deities have different rules for different people. Hence there have always been really cool people and also really not cool people. It's not God but the people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
My understanding is that Ramana was spiritual to the max at a very young age and that he realized without using traditional meditational structures.not by preparing for decades. Nisargadatta says that his guru told him you're Bhraman, and he kept this truth in mind for a couple few years and was thusly enlightened. Other forms of prep -- not so much. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, consider Ramana and someone like Nisargadatta--they spent decades perfecting tantric and yogic sadhanas before they could begin any inquiry. If you have the capacity, of course start where you are. The type of person who could go directly to inquiry seems rare indeed. This is such an important point that both Ramana and Nisargadatta make that seems to be completely lost on the neo-advaita crowd. If you try self-inquiry and it doesn't work, you have to go back to lower practices to purify the mindy/body until that profoundly subtle discrimination can be made. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HYPERLINK HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6 I think Obama could speak for himself better than that guy can speak for him. Obviously. But perhaps you can tell us, Rick, what Obama's legislative accomplishments are: 1) in the Illinois State Senate; and 2) in the U.S. Senate. And no cheating by looking it up on the internet...see if you can come up with anything all by your lonesome... I don’t keep that sort of info at my fingertips. I’d have to look it up. But I’m sure Obama could articulate his accomplishments, and has already in the 18 debates he’s done so far. Anyway, looks like he’s going to beat Hillary and he’s going to clobber McCain. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Shankar's tradition which TMers are following is tradition which came from Lord Vishnu (Narayana)... Shankara's gurus were Vaishnavs. Later on it turned to be everything else including tradition of Shri... --Absolutely not so. Shri as bride of Vishnu has always been the glorious source of the vidya. No other. Vishnu has been associated with also Dravidian Kali. And Kali always has side of Sattwa as Shri, while Vishnu always has Lakshmi. This is most ancient Dravidian religion of tantra. Shri or Glorious Knowledge or vidya. Truth is that inertia or body which none can move as tamas leads entire existance, called guru. All else is body of Shree, which is seen most manifest in motion. Shree is also consort of Shiva. She does everyone. If you like. Her name is also kundalini. She cannot be insulted or sullied. Neither burned, nor burned out. But she will remain the pinch in the butt to get moving for the day is short. The real truth about divinity is that noone can touch it for all your good and evil. It remains forever pure just as is right now...untouchable. Not having any foundation besides itself as potential. One language equals the gift of tongues but only women can understand it. And few men. These teachings of ultimate purity are not for all. Only heros - viras, or viranis. Dualists can never be correct having strayed from the outset.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. That's funny. In my tradition it's believed to amplify some sadhanas by a hundred-fold. There's no more fun way to watch a lunar eclipse than to sit outside, mala in hand and enjoy it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
Voodoo bullshit !!! ...and remember, if you let the evil shadow touch you, reverse the effect by having anal sex with a dead goat by the dark of the moon. Word to the wise. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 A total eclipse of the Moon occurs during the night of Wednesday, February 20/21, 2008. The entire event is visible from South America and most of North America (on Feb. 20) as well as Western Europe, Africa, and western Asia (on Feb. 21). During a total lunar eclipse, the Moon's disk can take on a dramatically colorful appearance from bright orange to blood red to dark brown and (rarely) very dark gray. An eclipse of the Moon can only take place at Full Moon, and only if the Moon passes through some portion of Earth's shadow. The shadow is actually composed of two cone-shaped parts, one nested inside the other. The outer shadow or penumbra is a zone where Earth blocks some (but not all) of the Sun's rays. In contrast, the inner shadow or umbra is a region where Earth blocks all direct sunlight from reaching the Moon. If only part of the Moon passes through the umbra, a partial eclipse is seen. However, if the entire Moon passes through the umbral shadow, then a total eclipse of the Moon occurs. rom start to finish, February's lunar eclipse lasts about three hours and twenty-six minutes (not including the penumbral phases which are very difficult to see). The partial eclipse begins as the Moon's eastern edge slowly moves into the Earth's umbral shadow. During the partial phases, it takes just over an hour for the Moon's orbital motion to carry it entirely within the Earth's dark umbra. The color and brightness of the totally eclipsed Moon can vary considerably from one eclipse to another. Dark eclipses are caused by volcanic gas and dust which filters and blocks much of the Sun's light from reaching the Moon. But since no major volcanic eruptions have taken place recently, the Moon will probably take on a vivid red or orange color during the total phase. After the total phase ends, it is once again followed by a partial eclipse as the Moon gradually leaves the umbral shadow. The total phase of a lunar eclipse is called totality. At this time, the Moon is completely immersed within the Earth's dark umbral shadow. During the February 20 eclipse totality will last just under 50 minutes. This is quite a bit less than the last total lunar eclipse ( August 28, 2007) which lasted 90 minutes. The major phases of the eclipse occur as follows (all times are GMT or Greenwich Mean Time). The partial eclipse commences with first umbral contact at 01:43 GMT or 8:43 pm EST. Totality begins at 03:01 GMT, 10:01 pm EST and lasts until 03:51 GMT, 10:51 pm EST. The partial phases end at 05:09 GMT. February's lunar eclipse is well-placed for North and South America as well as Europe and Africa. Observers along North America's west coast miss the early stages of the partial eclipse because it begins before moon rise. Alaskans in Anchorage and Fairbanks experience moonrise during totality but bright evening twilight will make it difficult for sourdoughs to view the event. Western Europe and northwest Africa also see the entire eclipse. Further to the east (east Africa and central Asia), the Moon sets before the eclipse ends. None of the eclipse is visible from eastern Asia or Australia. Preceeding and following the eclipse are hour-long penumbral phases but these are faint and quite difficult to see. The more interesting and photogenic partial and total phases always take center stage to the penumbral phases. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Neal Patterson in the news
I thought Neal was a prick. ---I thought he was sweet and rather pleasant and would probably go over really well in prison. Now look at him go.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Okay, gang, Richard wants a public beating, again, so I'm going to deliver it. I have seen him change over the years. Probably more than the other altTM jocks.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse When I was in Arosa Switzerland with MMY there was a lunar eclipse. We all went out in the parking lot, MMY included, and looked at it. Blaine’s response to that comment: yup. and he inaugurated the vedic city right at the peak of an eclipse. and he has made us travel during them and on and on and on. i think this is why my life is a living hell. hehehe No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6 I think Obama could speak for himself better than that guy can speak for him. Obviously. But perhaps you can tell us, Rick, what Obama's legislative accomplishments are: 1) in the Illinois State Senate; and 2) in the U.S. Senate. And no cheating by looking it up on the internet...see if you can come up with anything all by your lonesome... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
He would become a great leader of men (on the internet, is the part they left out). - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:06 PM, gullible fool wrote: I blew $11,500 on a yagya that did nothing and was either not performed or was performed in the most cursory manner possible, if that helps. JOOC, what did they tell you would happen, gull? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people say, Fuck you Kirk, I say, Fuck you God. Thus two energies merge to grow stronger. Instead of fighting. This is tantra. Not for the mentally weak. Goddess can take it. This notion of cursing God... Where do you find any scriptural support for your statement? Or is this just your feeling? Where in Sri Vidya would it reveal that this attitude gets you anywhere but thrown into Hell? Dark Tantra maybe but not one that Mother Goddess will show Her light. Dangerous territory you walk. IMO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, consider Ramana and someone like Nisargadatta--they spent decades perfecting tantric and yogic sadhanas before they could begin any inquiry. If you have the capacity, of course start where you are. The type of person who could go directly to inquiry seems rare indeed. This is such an important point that both Ramana and Nisargadatta make that seems to be completely lost on the neo-advaita crowd. If you try self-inquiry and it doesn't work, you have to go back to lower practices to purify the mindy/body until that profoundly subtle discrimination can be made. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: Blaine Watson [HYPERLINK mailto:blainepwmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. That's funny. In my tradition it's believed to amplify some sadhanas by a hundred-fold. There's no more fun way to watch a lunar eclipse than to sit outside, mala in hand and enjoy it all. When I was in Arosa Switzerland with MMY there was a lunar eclipse. We all went out in the parking lot, MMY included, and looked at it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president And who the fuck cares about what Obama has done? All the presidents in history learned on the job and their hearts mattered far more than any track records. Good point. What had Lincoln done when he took office? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse
Rick Archer wrote: From: Blaine Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: tonight's eclipse An eclipse in jyotish is considered inauspicious and is something to be avoided. I am getting a lot of flack from new age types who are always trying to convince me that everything is good, light and dark. This is true in the cosmic sense. An eclipse is good, for disease and starting wars and famine and drought etc. So shadows are not good in the progressive and healthy sense of the word and are to be avoided. The eclipse tonight begins at 5:43 pm pacific time and totality is at 7:01 pm pacific time. Draw your curtains. Say inside and do not allow the shadow to be seen and especially do not let the shadow touch you. We should not eat or drink anything while an eclipse is going on. It is a good time to meditate. I had said in my first announcement 2 weeks ago that the eclipse was on the 21st. That was calculated from Greenwich. My apologies for any confusion. I hope the below information helps. It came directly from the NASA eclipse page at NASA - Total Lunar Eclipse: February 20, 2008 In tantra an eclipse (both lunar and solar) are used to charge up our mantras (siddhis) even more so they are viewed as something auspicious. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
Shemp, Honestly I like you better when you're ranting about Global Warming. You've posted some very good stuff here -- to your credit -- but you spend all your goodwill garnered thereby with posts so obviously revealing your low class snobbery. Just because Off has left us doesn't mean you have to take up the slack. I mean, we have Richard saturating us all with asshole quite well thank you. And who the fuck cares about what Obama has done? All the presidents in history learned on the job and their hearts mattered far more than any track records. Bush promised us anything he thought we'd believe, and still had to steal the election, but when Obama says the same sort of things, he convinces us all that he means them, and a relief spreads throughout a war weary nation. Whatever he's got that can do that to a whole nation should be honored and given a microphone. I'd still vote for Kucinich over him any day, but given the choices being foisted upon us by BigMedia, he's got my vote. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6
[FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Richard wrote: Total abortions in the United States since 1973: 48,589,993, all man-made murders on a massive scale and not a single word of objection from Mr. Ed. Duveyoung wrote: Okay, gang, Richard wants a public beating, again, so I'm going to deliver it. snip So, there's been 48,589,993 abortions in the United States since 1973, and not single word of objection from Mr. Ed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Duveyoung wrote: My understanding is that Ramana was spiritual to the max at a very young age and that he realized without using traditional meditational structures.not by preparing for decades. It's been a while since I watched the Ramana DVD, but he spent a lot of time mastering samadhi IIRC, often staying in absorption for long periods of time. It is however common IMO in neoadvaita circles to glom onto what one has been told is the highest. In a materialistic society people gotta have the biggest, the most expensive, the highest--even if they're not ready or in need. Nisargadatta says that his guru told him you're Bhraman, and he kept this truth in mind for a couple few years and was thusly enlightened. Other forms of prep -- not so much. The Saint, and now his preceptor, makes it plain to him that what he has had is not the real vision, which is beyond the said experiences, and is only to be had through Self-Realization. At this point, the aspirant reaches the stage of the meditator. In the beginning, the Sadhaka is instructed into the secrets of his own person, and of the indwelling spirit; the meaning and nature of prana, the various plexuses, and the nature and arousal of the Kundalini, and the nature of the Self. Later on, he comes to know of the origin of the five elements, their activity, radiation, and merits and defects. Meanwhile his mind undergoes the process of purification and acquires composure, and this the Sadhaka experiences through the deep-laid subtle center of the Indweller; he also knows how and why it is there, only that the deiform element is kindled. This knowledge transforms him into the pure, eternal, and spiritual form of a SadGuru who is now in a position to initiate others into the secrets of the spirit. The stage of Sadhakahood ends here. -Self Knowledge and Self Realization by Nisargadatta Maharaj (the only book he actually wrote)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tonight's eclipse
I think it was Andrea Guild who told me a story of Maharishi traveling in India with some TBers and him stopping by the side of the Ganges and lifting up water with his hands and pouring it on his own head and sighing in some sort of spiritual pleasure. Then he made everyone eat sugar encrusted peanuts -- a big no-no, but there it was: when with the guru, there are no dangers. I bought it. Fuck. Years later I paid Blaine some good money to do my chart, and he didn't warn me with any specificity about the doom that was about to befall me in the very very near term, so his opinions about shadows has me dozing off. I like Blaine's vibe however -- a good person. I'd had maybe ten other astrologers who failed to warm me too, so, Blaine, I understand the difficulties of your profession. Theoretically, assuming that there is such a thing as a subtle nervous system and assuming that the Moon reflects the entire Earth's population's adoration of it, then, yeah, a shadow across this emanation of love could be depressing. So, see? I'm still a sucker waiting for another expert with charisma and a car payment to make. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Tonight's eclipse When I was in Arosa Switzerland with MMY there was a lunar eclipse. We all went out in the parking lot, MMY included, and looked at it. Blaine's response to that comment: yup. and he inaugurated the vedic city right at the peak of an eclipse. and he has made us travel during them and on and on and on. i think this is why my life is a living hell. hehehe No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president
And I don't think Michelle Obama owes an apology to anyone on what she said. After all she became an adult when that rakshasa Ronald Reagan and his cronies began his destruction of the US and its reputation. Think Iran-Contra. Then we got George H carrying on the destruction. The Clinton era may have been good for some people (mainly tech oriented yuppies) but he signed NAFTA in and turns out that Perot was right there. Of course we don't need to mention how much destruction Dubya and his evil clan has done and is doing to screw the country. Pretty much since Reagan took office the US has been pretty much an evil force in the world. Duveyoung wrote: Shemp, Honestly I like you better when you're ranting about Global Warming. You've posted some very good stuff here -- to your credit -- but you spend all your goodwill garnered thereby with posts so obviously revealing your low class snobbery. Just because Off has left us doesn't mean you have to take up the slack. I mean, we have Richard saturating us all with asshole quite well thank you. And who the fuck cares about what Obama has done? All the presidents in history learned on the job and their hearts mattered far more than any track records. Bush promised us anything he thought we'd believe, and still had to steal the election, but when Obama says the same sort of things, he convinces us all that he means them, and a relief spreads throughout a war weary nation. Whatever he's got that can do that to a whole nation should be honored and given a microphone. I'd still vote for Kucinich over him any day, but given the choices being foisted upon us by BigMedia, he's got my vote. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2afpy6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Headaches - GABA - Theanine = safer approach
Hi Anatol, I'm a big fan of Dr. Fuhrman. He was involved in a couple of projects that my wife and I worked on - Raw for 30 Days and Raw for Life. You may be interested in the RFT trailer - http://youtube.com/watch?v=ynXGA6fCEgU Best, Gary
[FairfieldLife] Quiet Zone Raffle important details
From: Bill Blackmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:07 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Quiet Zone Raffle important details Dear Friends of the Quiet Zone, Our raffle drawing is now in less than 2 weeks. If the Quiet Zone is going to happen, this has to be a broad based community effort tht we all support and work towards. Please note the following: * We still need lots of help, both with selling tickets, and with the event itself. If you are able to sell tickets, please contact Brian Smith at 472-5893 and he will get you a book of tickets, a quiet zone button, etc. * There are 2 grand prizes, accomodations for 4 in both Maui and Cancun, with $1,000 towards travel. In addition there are 6 fabulous second prizes, and over 140 other prizes. Tickets are $50 each and chances of winning something are excellent. If you have already purchased tickets, I hope you'll either try to buy a few more, or help sell them to friends, neighbors, and family. * We need volunteers to work at the drawing event at 7:45 p.m. on Sat. Mar. 1st at the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center Theatre. Please volunteer to help by emailing to HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] There has been a change in the entertainment for the drawing. Van and the Movers will not be playing due to unexpected personal circumstances. However, do not despair, as the FACC Encore Players will be performing in the theatre from 7:45 to 8:30 prior to the beginning of the drawing for all the raffle prizes. Admission to the Encore Players is a suggested donation of $25 or the purchase of a raffle ticket at the door. Remember, this is a fund raiser! The drawing will start around 8:30 and is free and open to everyone. Look for our ad in the next two Fairfield Weekly Readers. See you there! Bill Blackmore. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Ed wrote: For anyone who didn't see it, the below was my reply to Richard, and he has never responded to it, yet he continues to make the same accusations month after month about my stance regarding abortion. Proof that he's a troll. For anyone who didn't see it, the below was my reply to Ed, and he has never responded to it, yet he continues to make the same accusations month after month about my stance regarding the war. Proof that he's a prevaricator and unable to conduct an honest debate. Richard J. Williams wrote: All the Gods fight and have wars, Ed, just like people do. Haven't you heard of the Bharata war in the Gita? You're supposed to stand up and fight, not slink away from a debate like you do. Even the Buddha was a warrior. Pacifism is suicide - it's not for this age. You've got to fight for what you believe in, otherwise you are doomed, Sir. It is a terrible tragedy that any child should be killed in a war, but you can't seem to rationally debate this issue because you've got an obvious ideological bias against the U.S. and the Bush Administration. But you don't object at all to the killing of unborn children. You just want to ignore that issue and blame Bush for fighting the War Against the Terrorists and trying to save the children in Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, child deaths in Iraq have dropped by two thirds since the Iraq invasion. But, because of your bias, there's probably no way that you would ever accept the idea that war can save the lives of children. Why won't you fight to save the children from the evil empires? We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. - John F. Kennedy In my opinion, Saddam alone is responsible for Iraq's humanitarian crisis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the poster have even a remote clue as to how ridiculous this is? What a complete little puppy-dog he must be. We should hire some zen master to beat him with one of those sticks to within an inch of his life! --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating.. I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... --- It sounds silly... until you've had the experience; which I indeed came upon. To be under his gaze can be profoundly disruptive. It is penetrating and all-inclusive. A longing lovelyness rare in a man. He watched me for several painful minutes once. Although we were on adjacent StairMasters' at a mid-town gym, I count it as deeply significant. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti, Tony Nadir
Look at the audience's faces when Obama is speaking -- half of them are as if enraptured. It's an old ape dynamic, methinks, to find a resonance and just go with it with a world class denial filter batting down all truths to the contrary. Is it just me, or is Tony, along these lines, not so much? Anyone else here ga-ga for Silent One? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Does the poster have even a remote clue as to how ridiculous this is? What a complete little puppy-dog he must be. We should hire some zen master to beat him with one of those sticks to within an inch of his life! --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FW: eye-witness e-mail from the Funeral, paste Tony Nadir, RAJA RAM came in as I was Meditating.. I literally was hovering above Raja Ram's head. My feet right at his feet... I STOPPED THERE... LOOKING DOWN AT HIM, WITH A LOOK OF PURE Delighted SURPRISE...I SMILED DOWN AT HIM...A BIG SMILE as HE SMILED UP AT ME!!! ALSO A BIG SMILE...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SMILE HE HAS... --- It sounds silly... until you've had the experience; which I indeed came upon. To be under his gaze can be profoundly disruptive. It is penetrating and all-inclusive. A longing lovelyness rare in a man. He watched me for several painful minutes once. Although we were on adjacent StairMasters' at a mid-town gym, I count it as deeply significant. ---
[FairfieldLife] chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?
Just got an e-mail from an independenet bookstore announcing Deepak tonight will present a new book 'The Third Jesus' to the public. This bookstore opens the floor to questions to the author. I'm scheduled to hand out the snack at my son's Boy Scout meeting tonight, but I'm thinking of going to the bookstore instead. Any suggested questions for Deepak ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramana Maharshi on Kundalini
Kirk wrote: There is no kundalini there is only rigpa. So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it. - Sogyal Rinpoche The Stages of Meditation: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/rigpa.htm Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Sun, Jul 25 2004 4:30 pm Subject: Rigpa: The Stages of Meditation http://tinyurl.com/2dm9g7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
Hi Anatol, I'd love to hear more about your experience's with Amma. I learned her I AM meditation 10 days or so ago. I had a hug from her about six years ago and then forgot all about it. A few weeks ago, I started having the memory (and feeling) of the hug. Anyway, I feel very close to her and would love to hear about your experiences. Best, Gary
[FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Richard J. Williams wrote: So, there's been 48,589,993 abortions in the United States since 1973, and not single word of objection from Mr. Ed. Edg: For anyone who didn't see it, the below was my reply to Richard, and he has never responded to it, yet he continues to make the same accusations month after month about my stance regarding abortion. Proof that he's a troll. Abortion (Re: Brasscheck TV video on9/11) Richard challenges us to define words carefully. He says it would be hypocritical of me to be against wars-that-kill-babies if I am not equally intense about the killing of babies-in-wombs. He would be right if the word baby is defined differently than I would define it. What's a baby? A zygote is the first complete cell formed from the union of egg and sperm -- as it splits itself into more cells, it is then called an embryo. Richard would contend that somewhere in this process a soul is born, and I would suspect that the zygote's single cell is enough for Richard to claim that a life has been started. But a zygote isn't a baby by almost every definition of the word. The zygote has no brain, no senses, no memories, no thoughts, no feelings, no nuttin' that we'd normally call babyish. Richard would have us think that any potential by a zygote MUST be allowed to be realized, MUST be allowed to manifest, or, what?, er, the will of God has been thwarted? Something like that probably. Of course, God sees to it that spontaneous abortions occur by the millions every year -- science tells us this. So, if Richard's definition of baby is true, then God is a mass murderer whose tally exceeds the totals of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, et al. To me, since Christ and Krishna both agree that even rocks have consciousness, then it's not logical to think that a zygote has no consciousness (if we can agree what has means.) Ramana Maharshi teaches that consciousness has the zygote not the other way around -- just as in a dream one may have a zygote or baby be manifest. So, yes, the zygote cannot be found except that consciousness enwraps it, associates with it, IS IT. But this is true of rocks too, so a zygote cannot logically make a case for its consciousness being special and deserving more to be manifest in the Dream-called-Maya. I will agree with the will of God concept to the deepest degree, and that means we should get out of the dream and allow it to continue with only God doing the doing, and so any act of will by the meat robot that is out of sync with God's will can be seen as, well, murder. If we change the dream to suit the meat robot instead of the grand drama of Maya, then we've murdered God's plan for manifestation. Thus in principal, we're all murderers if we are not enlightened, and it doesn't matter if we've stopped a zygote from growing up to be a baby or if we've kicked a rock ten feet from where God put it in the first place -- same sin. Back to reality now: when a zygote grows to be an exceedingly complex system of cells that have tissues and organs, it becomes emotionally beguiling to begin to call the embryo, after eight weeks, a fetus, and a fetus looks like a tiny three inch long baby. A baby that can kick, suck its thumb, and listen to its own heart beating. This is where I get emotional about abortion. I think that at this point, I'm struggling not to grant this being full human rights -- partial birth abortions at this stage just entirely shock me with the utter brutality of the act. Yet, up until the 12th week, most states allow abortions. Score one for Richard if this is his travail also, and he recognizes that zygotes and embryos are not ensouled yet. But, it seems Richard DOES think zygotes are babies. Spiritually speaking, my dogma says a fetus only becomes a baby when it takes its first breath -- then the soul enters the body. To me this is a convenient myth, yet I believe it. Believe -- not know. All this said, those zygotes that did make it all the way to baby and are born and living surely deserve any rights and privileges that Richard would grant to the babies in the womb. Surely Richard and I and everyone would be nutzoid if anyone wanted to carpet bomb a zygote, yet, those very zygotes would not be given such protection by Richard if those zygotes are Iraqi children who are unlucky enough to have oil under their feet. This is where Richard fails so egregiously: his support of zygotes becomes a straw dog of abortion must be dealt with as much as warfare that we see is not truly a deeply held axiom of morality to him. Richard, you are supporting the killing of fully formed zygotes for oil, and any cry for the beloved zygotes in wombs is, from you lips, a hideous malformation of your psyche at best or a mindfully murderous racism attempting to divert criticism about war-mongering to other issues. Either way, Richard, you need help desperately to get harmony with the dissonances in your nervous system. Inside you is a Turq and Judy show that never ends, and to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote: We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? The TM PR machine. Maharishi said this himself which I saw on some video during phase ! of TTC. If I remember correctly he said TM was a jet plane to enlightenment. This was a response to someone referring to Kriya yoga as the airplane to enlightenment. Please correct me if I don't have this quite right, its been over 30 years.
