[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: What will you tell Amma?

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


TRANSLATION by OFF WORLD BELOW:


 There are some indications of children being 
 recruited as combatants by non-state armed groups, 
 such as insurgency organisations.

Translation: Some of the destitute and oppressed Iraqis whose lives 
and families were completely ruined by the American Shock and Awe 
and the subsequent unprofessional mess the Americans createdare 
sick of it and are fighting for their lives against the Americans.

 A recent concern 
 is the reported new tactic by insurgent group 
 militias, al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliated groups, 
 of using children as decoys in suicide car bombings. 

Translation: American troops can no longer shoot everything in sight 
like they did in Fallujah and Mosel in their murderous arrogant 
rampages of the past, and have to try to not shoot children when 
dealing with disgrunteled and desperate Iraqis who are now living in 
a nightmare worse than being bombed back to the stoneage which 
American grunts and people like WillyTex shouted for in year past.

 
 Due to ongoing security operations under the Baghdad 
 Security Plan 

Translation: Due to the ongoing struggling military crackdown which 
Bush etc. affectionately call 'the surge' , and which is nothing 
other than an extreme military crakdown like in Bhurma for example...

as well as the increasing use of 
 children by insurgents, the number of children, 
 ages between 12 and 17 years, in MNF-I detention 
 has significantly increased from less than 300 in 
 December 2006 to almost 800 in August 2007, with 
 some 30 children alleged to be active insurgents

Translation:... the result of this military crackdown by the 
Americans is that the Americans have to find provocative excuses to 
feed to the world and the UN (a World body which previously Bush et 
al spat in the UN's face and then shit upon international law) for 
their failures in this quagmire that will drag their country into 
oblivion, and the Iraqis, which they like to call terrorists and 
insurgents, have no choice but to fight in this hellhole that the 
Americans created for them to live in, thus the innevitable children 
involvement that this brings...something which the American overlords 
had no problem with when they killed and maimed tens of thousands of 
children in their shock and awe and ensuing chase of Iraqis in cities 
such as Fallujah and Mosel, etc. Now the Iraqis are fighting back and 
people like Willytex, John McInsane, and Ted Haggard have lost their 
minds.

OffWorld




[FairfieldLife] Re: Addicted To Righteous Anger (was War Monger is attacking us again and again)

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone (among the 5-6 of you who bother to
 read my posts, that is) remember the series of 
 posts I made about righteous anger

No, they were very unmemorable post Turq., and nobody remembers them

OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Re: Addicted To Righteous Anger (was War Monger is attacking us again and again)

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Turq, as one of the elite 

Do you mean you are elite or elitist, or just dumb enough to be taken 
in by Turq's BS?

OffWorld


that make up the small class of your 
 readers, I thought that your posts on the addiction to righteous 
 anger insightful and valuable; I'm reminded of it everyday I read 
 FFL.
 
 Marek
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Does anyone (among the 5-6 of you who bother to
  read my posts, that is) remember the series of 
  posts I made about righteous anger, and how
  people seem to be able to become addicted to it?
  
  Something -- possibly even the post below that I 
  only needed to read the first line of to realize
  that it fell into the Next past category, decided 
  to hit Reply to instead, *still* without having
  read it -- brought the subject up for me again.
  
  What is *missing* in some people's lives that the
  only emotion they seem to be able to surf consis-
  tently is righteous anger?
  
  What is it about the emotion of righteous anger 
  itself that seems to convince these people that 
  the emotion they're surfing is actually righteous? 
  
  What is it that allows these people to do unto others,
  and with some frequency, the same thing that pushes
  their buttons and drives them over the...uh...edge
  into not only madness, but madness that persists for
  days and days and days and sometimes weeks and weeks
  and weeks and even months and...you get the picture.
  
  There are some cool things that come up on this board.
  Some folks here are cool enough themselves to only
  invest their time in replying to the cool ones. They
  allow the hot ones -- the obvious trolls -- to be 
  handled by those who like to live in the mindstate of
  righteous anger. 
  
  Maybe these trolls -- and those who compulsively respond
  to them -- serve a cosmic purpose. The fact that they're 
  consistently willing to wallow in shit means that we 
  don't have to, that sorta thing. Maybe. Maybe they actually 
  *get off* on this wallowing. I don't really know.
  
  All I know is that in the psychic duel that Edg visu-
  alizes as taking place between him and Willytex, Willy
  is winning. Willy *owns* Edg's ass. He can make him
  do anything he wants.
  
  And on some strange cosmic level, Edg actually enjoys
  this masochist tango, being led around by the nose like 
  this, being forced to wallow in shit of his own making. 
  Synergy. Go figure. Some people's children. And all that...
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   War Monger, you utterly vile scum,
   
   Are you really so deeply into the dark side that you're now 
 trying
   to get our group's minds here to think of Arab children as 
 terrorists?
   
   With the below post, you show yourself to be a scurrilous 
 propagandist
   and culture raper as diseased as Karl Rove.
   
   There's thousands upon thousands of good-hearted actions of Arab
   children in Iraq today and every single day, but you send to us 
 the
   below to try to skew our minds into paranoia and blind 
murderous 
 racism.
   
   You are such a fucking lost soul.
   
   Stop eating. Die.
   
   What a piece of shit you are to be so openly espousing the 
 killing of
   children for profit and using your intellect to spin, 
obfuscate, 
 deny,
   ignore, and abuse TRUTH.
   
   You are the equivalent of a pedophile priest -- you quote 
 scriptures,
   pose as a teacher of great scholarship, but you're just trying 
 to find
   ways to get others to be racists-that-love-raping third world 
 children
with bullets instead of erections.
   
   Truly, you are one sick fuck to spew so relentlessly your 
 MINDFUL evil
   psychic pus with such an arrogant intent to harm our FFL 
 spiritual
   community.
   
   Edg
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
   willytex@ wrote:
   
Sal wrote:
 ...stop responding and he's bound to either go 
 away or at least not post so much.
 
There are some indications of children being 
recruited as combatants by non-state armed groups, 
such as insurgency organisations. A recent concern 
is the reported new tactic by insurgent group 
militias, al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliated groups, 
of using children as decoys in suicide car bombings. 

Due to ongoing security operations under the Baghdad 
Security Plan as well as the increasing use of 
children by insurgents, the number of children, 
ages between 12 and 17 years, in MNF-I detention 
has significantly increased from less than 300 in 
December 2006 to almost 800 in August 2007, with 
some 30 children alleged to be active insurgents.

Read more:

'Children and Armed Conflict'
Report of the Secretary General
http://www.un.org/children/conflict/english/iraq.html
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fasting to death is a holy rite

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You disgusting, offensive, contemptible, depraved, lying shit.  How
 dare you portray me as a supporter of partial birth abortions when 
I'm
 on record here being against it.


I think Willytex is a partial birth abortion, but that is not his 
fault.

OffWorld


 
 Slanderer!
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@
 wrote:
 
  Ed wrote:
   All your hatred must be lashing your soul with an 
   excruciating pain that you deny but even now you feel.
  
  Ed, get a grip! There are 4,000-5,000 partial birth 
  abortions per year in the United States. This number 
  dwarfs the number of children killed in Iraq due to 
  the war against the terrorists.  
  
  The number of child deaths in Iraq has been reduced 
  since the coalition forces invaded Iraq. In contrast,
  over half of the world's child deaths occur in Africa,
  where the U.S. HAS NO FORCES.
  
  For you to sit back and allow partial birth abortion 
  is a moral and ethical lapse on your part. Partial 
  birth abortion is a gruesome and inhumane procedure 
  and should be prohibited. 
  
  Apparently you voted for a candidate who refused to 
  sign the Partial Birth Abortion Ban!
  
  What's up with that?
  
  You are really mixed up in the head. The U.S. are the 
  good guys Ed, wake up and smell the coffee! John Kerry
  and Hillary Clinton aren't baby-killers because that
  voted to send in troops to Iraq to try and save the 
  children - don't be a sycophant. It takes a village.
  
  Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act:
  http://tinyurl.com/lkosa
  
  The Partial Birth Abortion Ban:
  http://tinyurl.com/2u386n
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: More blue than purple

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
  Somebody is reading this, right?  :-)
 
 Most definitely. 

It was just a joke, Tom. I was in a parody mood 
last night and couldn't restrain myself. :-)

 There have been  several  posts lately that seemingly
 lament a lack of readership. 

Ahem. The parody had to do with a certain
someone who is on a posting binge demanding
not only that people read his tirades (not
likely given their content) but agree with them.

 It is quite possible that many do not respond for 
 various reasons. 

Not least of which is that the Yahoo Web browser
seems to be on a binge of its own these days, 
and is tough to even read with, much less reply
with. At least for some of us who are unlucky
enough to connect via the Yahoo server that is
under the weather. It took almost five minutes
for this Reply window to come up so that I could
reply to your post.

 Inveterate lurkers are a stubborn bunch. The tendency to 
 do a right on or a me tooism is strong enough in
 many, myself included, to make for a very boring read. 
 A snarky quick response is, on occasion, hard to contain 
 when provoked by certain trolls. 

Mea culpa.  :-)

 Your Willin post and parody was priceless and brought 
 back a flood of memories both near and distant. 

It was just for fun; hope it provoked some. I 
really was...uh...kiddin' about the Is anyone
out there post. I'm such a solipcist that I'd
probably post even if no one was. :-)

 I hope rest is given to Lowell George's troubled soul. 
 He brought a lot of joy to a lot of folks with music. 
 One version of the legend is that Willin got him kicked 
 out of The Mothers Of Invention. Frank Zappa had some 
 strict rules about drug references in songs. Frank had 
 his convictions and draconian was his answer. 

That's interesting; I never knew that Lowell was
once a part of the Mothers. I knew a couple of
guys who were -- the ex-Turtles, known as the
Fluorescent Leech and Eddie -- and they told a 
few stories about Frank and his Konhaus-like
rule.

 During a long winding trip thru some western states this
 summer past, I found myself in Tucumcari. Being in an especially
 spiritual mood, I found a truck stop to gas up and belted out 
 the song to the moon.. quite sure it was heard in parts of 
 Oklahoma and Texas. grin Your version, had I know it, would 
 have fit the bill well. 

What occasioned the memory of the song in me was
dropping in to my local Cine Cafe here in Sitges.
It's run by a couple of really sweet English guys
who have an enormous collection of movie memora-
bilia and who show movies three times a day up on
their big screen in the cafe. The film The Abyss
was playing, and there is a scene where the rough
crew of this underwater research station was all
singing along with the song. It was a very happy
moment, and I couldn't help but sing along. The
next day, I was still singing it in my head while
reading FFL, and the link appeared between being
still willin' and still seekin.' However 
scathing a few of the one-liners in my version
might have been, they do not diminish my respect
for those who -- after all these years and life-
times on the road -- ARE still seekin.'

I still lived in L.A. when Lowell died, and went
to the benefit concert that his friends threw to
raise money for Lowell's family, who had been left
a tad unprovided for. The friends included Linda
Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, and members of the Eagles.
It was a *fine* concert, full of tears and laughter
both onstage and in the audience -- a bunch of 
people who had loved a wildman and were wishing
him well on his way.

 Music is the universal language. It is interesting how many 
 Bruce Cockburn fans are found on this board. A professor at 
 my University turned me on to him when we were flipping a 
 frisbee and burning ropebeen a favorite ever since. Ah, 
 the 70's. 

The amazing thing about Bruce is that he's still
seekin', too. Still on his nominal path as a Chris-
tian, but still open to useful information no matter
what path it comes from. He's just returned from a
trip to Nepal, and I expect some really good songs
to emerge from *his* road trip. 

The whole concept of the Road Trip appeals to me.
It's such a liberating feeling, being out on the road,
late at night, just you and the white line that leads
you on your Way. Many songwriters (Bruce, Lowell) and
prose writers (Kerouac, Homer) have written eloquently
about the inspiring and near-epic nature of the Road
Trip. It's a potent metaphor for the 

 I would wager that many more read these posts than you 
 would imagine, but respond only internally. 

That's appropriate, because I write them internally.
I don't type; they just appear magically onscreen as
a result of my highly-developed ritam, and all I have
to do is press Send. :-) Not.

 I received a couple of emails after a prior post, on the side, 
 from people in my 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
 I have objected again and received following threat:

You are lucky.  I did not realize till now but I am not the 
Raja of your county.
   
   You are lucky I'm not your Raja sonny or I'd cut me a hickory switch
   and turn you over my knee.  I would whip ya till yer cheeks glowed
   like Surya see, then I'd rub ghee over your cheeks to cool the pitta
   and rub it in good so your bottom would glow like Chandra on Guru 
   Purnima.
   
   Then I'd strap you onto a shiridara table and oil board you. Sesame
   oil dripped onto a silk handkerchief over your mouth till you
   pledged allegiance to the authority of the mighty Rajas.
   
   Next come the bhastis...
  
  Curtis now officially owesthe French company I 
  work for a new Dell laptop. Theabove made me
  spew myvirgin pina colada outall over the
  screen and keyboard and nowmy space key sticks.
  
 Reading you two makes me glad that I have an iSkin for my 
 keyboard. Saved me a lot of dough on new keyboards.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/38tm9g

An iSkin? Sounds like a new brand of condom. 

I guess in a way it is: Practice safe ranting;
sheath your weapon.  :-)

 I wonder what happened to Ruth. Hope she just is just busy with 
 work and life and that the negativity her last posts were met 
 with did not chase her away. 

Indeed. I suspect that the tendency here to damn 
the individual because one doesn't agree with what
they are saying is a bit of a shocker.

 She has a good heart and  great spirit and added to
 this board.

Indeed. 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Breakthrough on Maharishi's Jyotish!

2008-03-12 Thread george_deforest
 hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Reminds me of when Dogbert was asked if astrology
 can help businesses succeed:-
 
 If you haven't worked out that astrology is a load of rubbish
 you probably shouldn't be making your own decisions,
 in which case randomness is your best bet
 
 Classic.

more where that came from:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dilbert#Sourced






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread Zoran Krneta
Black Hand (Serbian: Црна рука / Crna Ruka), officially Unification
or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), was a
secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this
society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in
Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to
have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I.

Ohhh you got me!
Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see conection?
Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings.

My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in Croatia.
Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were creating war
during 90' in ex-yugoslavia.
During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with help of
others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is something
what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on Kosovo.
I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any kind.


[FairfieldLife] Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
For Stu, Tom, Vaj, and others who might be interested,
here's an interview with Bruce. He raps about food and
sustainable growing, his work with the Unitarian Service
Committee including his recent trip to Nepal, what he did
with his first royalty check, the songwriting process, and 
other interesting stuff.

It's always uplifting for me to hear someone who really 
walks the walk of his spiritual talk.

Requires RealPlayer or something that plays .rm files:

rtsp://media.cbc.ca/cbc.ca/mainstreetns/media/20080310Full_Cockburn_152814.rm

or 

http://tinyurl.com/yq4ms6





[FairfieldLife] Make an indelible impression on the world

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
Go to: http://www.tatuagemdaboa.com.br/

Enter your first name on the first line.

Enter the name of someone kissable on 
the second line.

Click Vizualazar.

Enjoy.





Re: [FairfieldLife] From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you

2008-03-12 Thread Zoran Krneta
In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' email
responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange is very
important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not I can
continue being an active part of any organization under such leaders. As I
see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed
if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages between
himself and supposedly Konhaus. According to my understanding, emails that
are forwarded cannot be altered therefore all of us will have the chance
to see the original emails. In following the thread, no one has suggested
this as yet.


Dear unanimous,

I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, criminal,
killing-king Serb.

He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between him/Serb and
Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case so that evidences should be
presented.

Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the basis of
his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people making
resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? What do you think? What
are your experiences?

How many people left the movement? Do they need to present their evidences
here?

Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT!

It is not the matter of Konhous, it is the matter of him/Serb who wanted to
stop his PERSONALY agony with that organization.

Is that enough?

You are expecting that he/Serb show his correspondence but you don't want
show up your name and face.

If you want to see his/Serbs correspondence you can personally contact him
he has an e-mail address thanks God!

But be careful take some weapon to protect yourself in case... :-)

Zoran


[FairfieldLife] 'The Demented Court of the Clinton's'

2008-03-12 Thread Robert
President Eisenhower, having seen the aftermath of WWII...  Where General 
Patton threw up at the holocaust camps...
  All the soldiers and all the Germans were witnessed, by Ike.
  Ike knew the result of the German experience, as he was by heritage-
  German.
  Germany is now a pacifist country, as well as Japan.
  But, since WWII, and 1945, and the Atomic bomb...
  So, since the experience in Viet Nam, 
  The American dilemma has been: what is our place in this world.
  Is it to create wars, or is it to promote peace...
  Do we ally ourselves with policies which promote fear,
  Or do we evolve and heal our prejudices and our limited cynical thinking.
  LBJ made us cynical.
  So, did Richard Nixon.
  When does it end.
  It's getting ridiculous.
  We've been disappointed so many times, since the death of the hero's of the 
sixties...
  The latest hunk a, hunk a burning' cynics- the same old people-
  James Carville, The demented (Court of the Clinton’s)  their legions of 
Cohorts…
  Disgusting and Sickening
   
   


   
-
Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Unidentified and we understand why Recert:
  
  In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' 
  email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this 
  interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes 
  concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part 
  of any organization under such leaders. 

While I commiserate, and applaud, doncha think
that on another level it's a tad LATE to start
noticing the qualities of the TMO's leaders,
not to mention how far under them you are, and
have been for a long time?

As we are seeing in these days following Maharishi's
death, there are a lot of people who *put off* think-
ing about such things out of respect and devotion 
to him *until* he died. These outrages are not new;
the draconian pronouncements imposed on other TMers
and TM teachers are not new. They have been going on
for *decades*. Is it only now that you are able to
be concerned about them?

  As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange 
  would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered 
  email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. According 
  to my understanding, emails that are forwarded cannot be 
  altered therefore all of us will have the chance to see the 
  original emails. In following the thread, no one has suggested
  this as yet.

With all due respect, most of us here who are not 
only familiar with Zoran from his posts here on 
FFL but with the type of abuse from TM leaders that
he's talking about really don't *need* to see the
forwarded emails. We've seen Konhaus and others go
off the deep end before, and this story seems not
only plausible but highly likely.

Look around on this forum. There are other true-blue
TM supporters here, none of whom (to their credit)
rushed in to *discredit* Zoran and call him a liar
the way Nablus did. That's just the way that Nablus
thinks -- when he encounters some statement about
Maharishi, TM, or the TMO that he doesn't like, he
hops in his leaky boat and heads up denial (a pun
on the Nile for Zoran) without a paddle. 

Nabby feels that Zoran's story is *not believable*.
On the other hand, being a devotee of Benny Hill...
uh, sorry...Benjamin Creme, Nabby has *no trouble*
believing in Space Brothers from the stars and a
mysterious world savior named Maitreya who will 
appear at any moment and speak to all the peoples
of the earth in their own language, and will pull
our collective bacon out of the fire.  :-)

In short, Nabby's a fanatic. I've been allowing him
to rave without commentary, because HE is the best
commentary that anyone could possibly make about 
the fanaticism of the true-blue TMer. He will do
*anything* to avoid dealing with reality, will call
*anyone* a liar or a paid CIA propagandist rather
than accepting the simple truth -- that his alleg-
iances lie with an organization, and with leaders
of that organization, who left their humanity behind
them decades ago, and are hardly fit to walk on
planet Earth, much less rule it.

In contrast, examine how Zoran reacts to this hit
against him and these slurs against not only his
gene pool but his integrity. He does what the vast
majority of TMers should have done decades ago,
and LAUGHS at these fanatics in denial.

 Dear unanimous,
 
 I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, 
 criminal, killing-king Serb.

Zoran, please note that few here besides Nabby hold
you personally responsible for starting World War I. :-)

 He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between 
  him/Serb and Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case 
 so that evidences should be presented.
 
 Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the 
 basis of his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people 
 making resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? 

A good question, and one that I'm sure Nabby will
answer Yes to. That's how they hold onto their
own fragile and shaky hopes and beliefs, by think-
ing that anyone who rejects them is crazy, and
acting out of unstressing or fantasy.

 What do you think? What are your experiences?

This is really the bottom line. For some, their 
experiences with the authoritarian control freaks
whom Maharishi has placed in positions of power
don't really sink their boat of hope. They prefer
to carry on and ignore these outrages the way they
were told to. Me, I think that they're being fool-
ish, but it's their decision, not mine.

Others looked at their own experiences and WALKED
AWAY from this cesspool of hypocrisy. I identify
more with them.

 How many people left the movement? Do they need to present 
 their evidences here?

Hopefully a few of them will.

 Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT!

But wild, criminal, king-killing Serb is Off The
Program and unstressing, don't you see? Nothing
he says can be taken seriously.

THAT 

[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you

2008-03-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don't. They're puny little pissants who haven't had
 a mind of their own in decades, and resent anyone
 who has one.


Oh well. Still after Turq left the Movement more than 30 years ago he 
comes up with all this strong emotions. He will not admit it ofcourse 
now that he is a Buddhist and all, but Maharishi must have created an 
everlasting impression on his soul.

That the Turq does not see it reasonable for Zoran to come up with the 
e-mails that would reveal if Konhaus said anything unappropiate, and 
thus clear Zoran of the doubt of being a liar is not surprising. This 
place is created for just that: Throw out any rumour, any claim however 
wild. If it's aim is to try to cast a shadow on the Movement it is all 
right. Nobody will ask you for any shred of evidence, and if they do, 
simply do as Zoran; sit still, pretend you did not read it and hope it 
goes away. It will, because FFL is for the most, populated with souls 
of the same caliber. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Hillary Scapegoats the 'Cute Black Boy'...

2008-03-12 Thread Peter
Have we given Jews the right to vote? Oh my, what is
this country becoming. Where is a Raja when you need
one!


--- Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 'How dare he stand in the way of Hillary Clinton,
 the girls rage on...
 Hillary finally found a good 'hit woman'...
   Hitting bottom, maybe.
Advocating for racism...
   What an irony for the Clinton's...
   To be labeled racist.
   The final ugly chapter in their political history.
   So, I guess this is the dark side for real.
   Hidden for all those years, behind the need for
 power, and lust.
   The Jewish vote is the other racist card, I expect
 them to play.
   That one will be slightly more subtle.



 

 -
 Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.



  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote:
 What TM teacher training course did you graduate from?  
 
You only need to attend one single TM introductory lecture
to know that there's no mantra angle mentioned. And you
only need one single advanced technique to know that you
only get one single bij mantra for TM practice. If you had
attended either of these you would already know this.

What TM teacher training course did you graduate from? 

Bhairitu wrote:
   In the intro lecture we even described these dips 
   or the vertical descent. 
  
Richard J. Williams wrote:  
  There's no mention of a angle of the mantra in a
  TM introductory lecture. Did you make that up? If so
  then you were not teaching TM. 
   
  You only get one mantra in TM instruction. There are
  no advanced technique bija mantras. The added phrases
  in advanced techniques, such as Shree and Namah, are 
  just Sanskrit words, not bija mantras. The mystic 
  syllable OM is not considered to be a bija mantra.



[FairfieldLife] 'Hillary Scapegoats the 'Cute Black Boy'...

2008-03-12 Thread Robert
'How dare he stand in the way of Hillary Clinton, the girls rage on...
Hillary finally found a good 'hit woman'...
  Hitting bottom, maybe.
   Advocating for racism...
  What an irony for the Clinton's...
  To be labeled racist.
  The final ugly chapter in their political history.
  So, I guess this is the dark side for real.
  Hidden for all those years, behind the need for power, and lust.
  The Jewish vote is the other racist card, I expect them to play.
  That one will be slightly more subtle.
   
   
   

   
-
Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
  Phat!: (pronounced 'fot') phoneme; Buddhist Hybrid-Sanskrit;
  causative verb? 1. Crack! 2. Snap! 3. Pop! 4. Meaningless
  sound. 5. Gibberish. 6. Bija mantra - sometimes referred
  to as the weapon mantra also, in that, it destroys obstacles.
  7. Sound of a two-stroked motor vehicle seen all over Delhi.
 
Vaj wrote:
 It's an aspirated P silly Willy. :-)

That's what I said, silly Vaj, 'fot'; but you neglected to 
mention the left-handed finger snap, which is the essense of 
the astral weapon mantra 'phat'. What's up with that?

Mahnirvana Tantra, 5.90, 92:
http://tinyurl.com/36slch 

1 phaT ind. (onom.) crack! VS. AV. TA1r. (also a mystical 
syllable used in incantation).
2 phat ind. , an interjection (in %{phat-kR} , prob. w.r. 
for %{phuT-kR}).
3 phAT ind. an interjection of calling W.

Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche

Salutation to the Wine Devi: Vaushat:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/maha05.htm

Phat is the astral or weapon mantra:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/htg/htg11.htm#fn_331



[FairfieldLife] Mark Morford's Column 3.12.08 -- Worth Reading (as usual)

2008-03-12 Thread Marek Reavis
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/



[FairfieldLife] Re: Padmasana, best posture for serious aspirants.

2008-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
Billy wrote:
 Interesting, I didn't know that is why SBS sat in that 
 asana using that mudra.

The term mudra is often translated as 'to seal'. One 
explanation of 'to seal' is that mudra comes from a joining 
of mud - bliss and dhra - dissolving - thus mudra is that 
which dissolves duality and brings together deity and 
devotee.

Read more:

'Elements of Puja'
by Kalkinath
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/tt_elementspuja.html

  Billy wrote:
   MMY doesn't stress the importance of this posture 
   because TM is Yoga-lite for modernity! 
   
  Maybe so, Billy, but most people only need Yoga-lite,
  so TM is perfect for their practice. Only yogis need 
  to aspire to perfect posture. Most people don't have 
  time to practice yoga postures all day like you do. 
  
  All they need to do is practice the auspicious hand 
  sign when they sit for meditation. Attempting to sit 
  in a particular posture will tend to keep the mind on 
  the conscious thinking level and may actually be a 
  hindrance to transcending. 
  
  The auspicious hand-sign in Sanskrit literature is 
  refered to as the symbol of wisdom or the mark of the 
  I conciousness, which represents Knowing That I am, 
  or Knowing That I know. 
  
  Read more:
  
  'The Auspicious Handsign'
  http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/brahmanand.htm




[FairfieldLife] Re: Ruthsimplicity, was: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leader

2008-03-12 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Tom
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:06 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other
rajas
 and leaders of TM movement
 
  
 
 I wonder what happened to Ruth. Hope she just is just busy with work
 and life and that the negativity her last posts were met with did not
 chase her away. She has a good heart and great spirit and added to
 this board. 
 
 I'm afraid she did unsubscribe a while back.


I'm sorry to hear that. She was great.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Phat!: (pronounced 'fot') phoneme; Buddhist Hybrid-Sanskrit;
   causative verb? 1. Crack! 2. Snap! 3. Pop! 4. Meaningless
   sound. 5. Gibberish. 6. Bija mantra - sometimes referred
   to as the weapon mantra also, in that, it destroys obstacles.
   7. Sound of a two-stroked motor vehicle seen all over Delhi.
  
 Vaj wrote:
  It's an aspirated P silly Willy. :-)
 
 That's what I said, silly Vaj, 'fot'; but you neglected to 
 mention the left-handed finger snap, which is the essense of 
 the astral weapon mantra 'phat'. What's up with that?

ROTFLMAO!  



 
 Mahnirvana Tantra, 5.90, 92:
 http://tinyurl.com/36slch 
 
 1 phaT ind. (onom.) crack! VS. AV. TA1r. (also a mystical 
 syllable used in incantation).
 2 phat ind. , an interjection (in %{phat-kR} , prob. w.r. 
 for %{phuT-kR}).
 3 phAT ind. an interjection of calling W.
 
 Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
 http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
 
 Salutation to the Wine Devi: Vaushat:
 http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/maha05.htm
 
 Phat is the astral or weapon mantra:
 http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/htg/htg11.htm#fn_331





[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Rick,
 
 I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to 
protect my
 identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have
 hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must be
 protected as a recertified governor.  Jai Guru Dev

Hi Mr. Jai Guru Dev:

No worries, Shempgurkin has at least 5 identities, and I have only one 
identity for 3 halflings.

OffWorld




[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Mar 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
 
  n the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus'  
  email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this  
  interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes  
  concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part of  
  any organization under such leaders. As I see it, the truth of  
  this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed if the 
Serb  
  could post the complete, unaltered email messages between 
himself  
  and supposedly Konhaus.
 
  The Serb--LOL.  Geez, Rick, I don't blame this guy for wanting 
to  
  keep his identity secret.  Is he for real?
 
  Yes. He emailed me with his real name, but wants to remain  
  anonymous, for obvious reasons.
 
 Well, that really wasn't what I was asking--it was a rhetorical  
 question pertaining to the somewhat unusual way he kept referring 
to  
 Zoran. (Slang, IOW.  I'm a little surprised that didn't come  
 across.)  I don't have a problem with someone choosing to remain  
 anonymous, obviously.


Is that last sentence a rhetorical question Sal? I can't tell, so how 
am I supposed to answer it?

OffWorld



 
 Sal





[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you

2008-03-12 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' 
email
 responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange 
is very
 important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not 
I can
 continue being an active part of any organization under 
such leaders. 

John Konhaus is probably just another one of Shemp's many 
identities.

OffWorld



As I
 see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be 
revealed
 if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages 
between
 himself and supposedly Konhaus. According to my understanding, 
emails that
 are forwarded cannot be altered therefore all of us will have the 
chance
 to see the original emails. In following the thread, no one has 
suggested
 this as yet.
 
 
 Dear unanimous,
 
 I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, 
criminal,
 killing-king Serb.
 
 He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between 
him/Serb and
 Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case so that evidences 
should be
 presented.
 
 Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the 
basis of
 his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people making
 resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? What do you 
think? What
 are your experiences?
 
 How many people left the movement? Do they need to present their 
evidences
 here?
 
 Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT!
 
 It is not the matter of Konhous, it is the matter of him/Serb who 
wanted to
 stop his PERSONALY agony with that organization.
 
 Is that enough?
 
 You are expecting that he/Serb show his correspondence but you 
don't want
 show up your name and face.
 
 If you want to see his/Serbs correspondence you can personally 
contact him
 he has an e-mail address thanks God!
 
 But be careful take some weapon to protect yourself in case... :-)
 
 Zoran





[FairfieldLife] The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off, investigative doco 1 hr. 40 min

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
Bhairitu, have you seen this?  Lemme know what you
think. a

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8176286327617173136

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 


[FairfieldLife] David Mamet compares Bush to Kennedy

2008-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
Bush got us into Iraq, JFK into Vietnam. Bush stole the election in 
Florida; Kennedy stole his in Chicago. Bush outed a CIA agent; Kennedy 
left hundreds of them to die in the surf at the Bay of Pigs. Bush lied 
about his military service; Kennedy accepted a Pulitzer Prize for a 
book written by Ted Sorenson. Bush was in bed with the Saudis, Kennedy 
with the Mafia. Oh.

From: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,374064,374064,1.html





[FairfieldLife] David Mamet on corporations

2008-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
from the same previously linked article:

And I began to question my hatred for 'the Corporations'—the hatred of 
which, I found, was but the flip side of my hunger for those goods and 
services they provide and without which we could not live.

Barfitu in particular would do well to contemplate Mamet's words.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Breakthrough on Maharishi's Jyotish!

2008-03-12 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
  
  Reminds me of when Dogbert was asked if astrology
  can help businesses succeed:-
  
  If you haven't worked out that astrology is a load of rubbish
  you probably shouldn't be making your own decisions,
  in which case randomness is your best bet
  
  Classic.
 
 more where that came from:
 
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dilbert#Sourced


Hey I almost remembered it right!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread Stu
Thanks for that.  Really nice hearing what Bruce has to say.

If you want to read a great book about the current state of our food
supply you may want to read Michael Polen's Omnivores Delight.

s.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for that.  Really nice hearing what Bruce has to say.
 
 If you want to read a great book about the current state of our food
 supply you may want to read Michael Polen's Omnivores Delight.
 
 s.
 

  It is The Ominvore's Dilemma, by Michael Pollan.  i agree, excellent
book a sis his newest, In Defense of Food.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
Since the Absolute is always there, the experience of a blackout is,
er, go figure, AN EXPERIENCE OF THE ABSOLUTE.

Since no memory can be dredged up about the experience, it could
only be the Absolute that was present.

Get that?

Nothing is what was experienced.

No thing.  Not even awareness, not even amness.

Sorry to tell ya TBs and bliss seekers, but that's the actual real
deal bottomline goal of goals.

Consult your local Buddhist about the void.

It is that no-thingness that will be discovered to be the only
identity one has ever had.  The rest is a dross of verbiage
floating on the illusion of consciousness.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, endlessrainintoapapercup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kirk said: 
   Some yogis have noted TMers--esp. TM-Sidhi practitioners have blocks 
 in their nervous system (actually their pranic bodies) that can
prevent such full 
 awakening.
 
 What exactly causes these alleged blocks?
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
 
  That vampired look I have determined comes from squeezing the eyes
shut for 
 many hours a day which gives a person bruises under their eyes (dark
circles) and 
 also from the lack of sunlight. I used to look like that from
rounding. Most people do 
 at some point.
- Original Message - 
From: Vaj 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries
about TM technique and 
 experience
  
  
  
  
On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:56 AM, endlessrainintoapapercup wrote:
  
  
  I don't know what type of experience you are talking about,
matrixmonitor...I'm 
 only 
  addressing the issue of conscious transcendence. If
transcendence isn't 
 conscious, 
  how can anyone say with any certainty that it exists?
  
  My words about deeper states of meditative absorption were not
intended to 
 reflect 
  TM-teach. I was just acknowledging that the experience I
described, of pure 
  consciousness beyond form, is just the beginning of culturing
deeper and 
  deeper meditative states. TM may not acknowledge them, but
other meditation 
  traditions do. My original question was simply whether TM
produces conscious 
  transcendence for others, as it doesn't seem to do so for me.
  
  
  
  
Until you're centered and fully transcended at the level of the
makara-bindu and 
 open the eye of knowledge, the third eye as the TM puja
mentions, most TMers 
 will just languish in a laya-samadhi. The techniques to actually
awaken awareness 
 there aren't taught in TM, so unless you're somehow predisposed to
awaken so 
 highly, it just doesn't happen.
  
  
Some yogis have noted TMers--esp. TM-Sidhi practitioners have
blocks in their 
 nervous system (actually their pranic bodies) that can prevent
such full awakening.
  
  
Rounding continuously for decades in a laya can't be a good
thing. But if you've 
 ever met the sickly Purusha's of the TMO and the resultant distorted
personality 
 types, one does start to wonder how healthy it is. Some of these
guys looks like they 
 were vampirized for years. It's also probably why TM doesn't make
the brain very 
 coherent at all like as is seen in deep meditation/samadhi.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Konhaus Drama

2008-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To Konhaus drama:
  
  
 Scroll down and see it unfold.  Some of the replies are very 
funny.  
 It's sad too.
 
 The original post,
  
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/169121
 
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 -Doug in FF
 
 Just a month or so,  this fundemental separation stuff comes out 
so 
 blattenly with Konhaus.  Forces feelings like, 'i am out of here', 
like 
 Zoran's or even Ruth'?  On, to other things or places. 
 
 In wathching, I do feel sorry for the John Hagelin pouring his 
heart 
 out, up there and also some of those guys around him with him.  An 
old 
 pattern does bear out though time and again, rigid doctrianlists 
like 
 Bevan and Konhaus for insance versus folks with their own 
cultivated 
 experience of spiritual energy, shakti.  Now those Maharishi 
 doctrinalists vs experientialist transcendentalist folks.  The 
 doctrinalist contending, if you don't believe then leave.  
 
 Yet, transcendendatelist folk, actually like Bobby Roth on that 
video 
 over the weekend 'chat' with the TM 'business' plans.  Hagelin  
Roth 
 trying to say: I am just a TM-teacher, and then you got folks 
like 
 Bevan, Raha Konhaus, German Raja Emmanuel and then other 
personality 
 entities like Raja Benni Feldman holding the organizational purse 
 strings of the Wes,t and then India.  Jeez.  These are credible 
folks?  
 To be involved with?  Who in their 'centered' mind would want to be 
 entangled with, let alone 're-ceritfiy' with them?  Looks a morass 
by 
 who they are.
 
 Run!
 
 Run, like Zoran. It becomes the credible life-energy saving plan by 
 comparison.  Seek the company of holy people; find other folks.  
Life 
 is short.  Elsewhere?
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 The Knowledge, is in the experience


To me, the most telling thing was reading Deepak Chopra's several 
articles subsequent to the passing of Maharishi.  Here was a guy who 
is considered persona-non-grata by the TMO yet he spoke more 
eloquently and from the heart about Maharishi than anyone in TMO 
officialdom has.

By comparison, Deepak made Nader-Raam, Hagelin, Roth, and Bevan sound 
like they've been reading a funeral announcement scripted by a 
minimum-wage bureaucrat employed at your local newspaper's classified 
section.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Democrat caught fucking the proletariat

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
I predict that BigMedia will hardly support this outing as something
that should have been done.  If they get too much into the moral
outage and that phone taps are a legitimate way to reveal the deceit
of politicians, O BOY, then why not tap everyone's phones?

Can you imagine what else would be found if the bank statements and
phone records and taped phone calls of all the politicians were to be
garnered by some sort of spying program?  Who would have even a remote
chance at coming off as squeaky clean after such an invasion?

So this is interesting and will be entertaining to see how BigMedia
handles this.  Too much official condemnation and the whole house of
cards comes down, but if not enough moral outrage is shown, it will
seem that an invasion of the Gov's privacy has been perpetrated for no
reason.

Spin spin spin.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  Why can't Democrats have kinky scandals like the Republicans and
Larry 
  Craig?  They are so boringly normal with all this heterosexual stuff.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2usgwb
 The question today is why were federal wiretaps used?  Aren't they 
 supposed to be after terrorists?  I thought that was why Dubya wanted 
 them so he could protect us against terrorists not prostitutes.  Oh 
 that's right everyone who doesn't agree with Dubya is a terrorist 
 especially Spitzer.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Konhaus Drama

2008-03-12 Thread Vaj


On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:


To me, the most telling thing was reading Deepak Chopra's several
articles subsequent to the passing of Maharishi. Here was a guy who
is considered persona-non-grata by the TMO yet he spoke more
eloquently and from the heart about Maharishi than anyone in TMO
officialdom has.



And he did the best job of framing and presenting the paradox that  
was MMY, all while telling an engaging true story most had never heard.

[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Rick,
 
 I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to 
protect my
 identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have
 hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must 
be
 protected as a recertified governor. Is there a way of joining 
where my
 identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e. google search, 
yahoo
 profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your insights into this as 
well as
 suggest your posting a thread periodically giving the steps for 
joining and
 how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the title could be How 
to Join
 FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . . just a thought and 
it might
 draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they know that they 
cannot be
 identified.
 

How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity! Jesus I had no 
idea the TMO had got THAT scary.

Think about it though, what is so great about being in a group you 
have to hide your identity from? I think the answer to that is your 
first step back to reality. 



[FairfieldLife] OffWorld is da man!

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
GAWD I hate when I look around on the battlefield for someone to take
my six, and there's this guy, moral muscles bulging, who I have abused
endlessly herein, who, despite my consistent disregard for his posts,
is nonetheless so exactly on point, so clear, so real about my own POV
on state-sponsored-carnage, that I am helplessly welcoming him to my side.

All hail OffWorld!  I bow.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 willytex@ wrote:
 
 
 TRANSLATION by OFF WORLD BELOW:
 
 
  There are some indications of children being 
  recruited as combatants by non-state armed groups, 
  such as insurgency organisations.
 
 Translation: Some of the destitute and oppressed Iraqis whose lives 
 and families were completely ruined by the American Shock and Awe 
 and the subsequent unprofessional mess the Americans createdare 
 sick of it and are fighting for their lives against the Americans.
 
  A recent concern 
  is the reported new tactic by insurgent group 
  militias, al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliated groups, 
  of using children as decoys in suicide car bombings. 
 
 Translation: American troops can no longer shoot everything in sight 
 like they did in Fallujah and Mosel in their murderous arrogant 
 rampages of the past, and have to try to not shoot children when 
 dealing with disgrunteled and desperate Iraqis who are now living in 
 a nightmare worse than being bombed back to the stoneage which 
 American grunts and people like WillyTex shouted for in year past.
 
  
  Due to ongoing security operations under the Baghdad 
  Security Plan 
 
 Translation: Due to the ongoing struggling military crackdown which 
 Bush etc. affectionately call 'the surge' , and which is nothing 
 other than an extreme military crakdown like in Bhurma for example...
 
 as well as the increasing use of 
  children by insurgents, the number of children, 
  ages between 12 and 17 years, in MNF-I detention 
  has significantly increased from less than 300 in 
  December 2006 to almost 800 in August 2007, with 
  some 30 children alleged to be active insurgents
 
 Translation:... the result of this military crackdown by the 
 Americans is that the Americans have to find provocative excuses to 
 feed to the world and the UN (a World body which previously Bush et 
 al spat in the UN's face and then shit upon international law) for 
 their failures in this quagmire that will drag their country into 
 oblivion, and the Iraqis, which they like to call terrorists and 
 insurgents, have no choice but to fight in this hellhole that the 
 Americans created for them to live in, thus the innevitable children 
 involvement that this brings...something which the American overlords 
 had no problem with when they killed and maimed tens of thousands of 
 children in their shock and awe and ensuing chase of Iraqis in cities 
 such as Fallujah and Mosel, etc. Now the Iraqis are fighting back and 
 people like Willytex, John McInsane, and Ted Haggard have lost their 
 minds.
 
 OffWorld





Re: [FairfieldLife] Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread Vaj


On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


For Stu, Tom, Vaj, and others who might be interested,
here's an interview with Bruce. He raps about food and
sustainable growing, his work with the Unitarian Service
Committee including his recent trip to Nepal, what he did
with his first royalty check, the songwriting process, and
other interesting stuff.

It's always uplifting for me to hear someone who really
walks the walk of his spiritual talk.

Requires RealPlayer or something that plays .rm files:

rtsp://media.cbc.ca/cbc.ca/mainstreetns/media/ 
20080310Full_Cockburn_152814.rm


or

http://tinyurl.com/yq4ms6



Recently found these bootlegs. Both quite good:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=170300

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=143992




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
It's not us (i.e. this group) he needs to hide his
identity from, it's the TMO, that would boot him if
they knew he belonged to this group.  So the real
question is why would he want to be a member of an
organization in which his private life is not private
and he doesn't feel he has freedom of speech.  

If he's recertified that means he's just shelled out
money that might have been a real sacrifice for him. 
So then the question becomes, just what does the TMO
give him that he would consider a good return on his
investment.  



 
--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Rick,
  
  I am sharing this with you because I feel that I
 can trust you to 
 protect my
  identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the
 FairfieldLife group and have
  hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that
 my identity must 
 be
  protected as a recertified governor. Is there a
 way of joining 
 where my
  identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e.
 google search, 
 yahoo
  profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your
 insights into this as 
 well as
  suggest your posting a thread periodically giving
 the steps for 
 joining and
  how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the
 title could be How 
 to Join
  FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . .
 just a thought and 
 it might
  draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they
 know that they 
 cannot be
  identified.
  
 
 How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your
 Identity! Jesus I had no 
 idea the TMO had got THAT scary.
 
 Think about it though, what is so great about being
 in a group you 
 have to hide your identity from? I think the answer
 to that is your 
 first step back to reality. 
 
 


Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  For Stu, Tom, Vaj, and others who might be interested,
  here's an interview with Bruce. He raps about food and
  sustainable growing, his work with the Unitarian Service
  Committee including his recent trip to Nepal, what he did
  with his first royalty check, the songwriting process, and
  other interesting stuff.
 
  It's always uplifting for me to hear someone who really
  walks the walk of his spiritual talk.
 
  Requires RealPlayer or something that plays .rm files:
 
  rtsp://media.cbc.ca/cbc.ca/mainstreetns/media/ 
  20080310Full_Cockburn_152814.rm
 
  or
 
  http://tinyurl.com/yq4ms6
 
 
 Recently found these bootlegs. Both quite good:
 
 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=170300
 
 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=143992

EZtorrent has its max of members and won't
let me sign up. Are these audios or videos?
I've got pretty much everything he's ever
performed in an audio version; what I'm on
the lookout for now is video of him performing.
Especially the times where he cuts loose on 
the guitar; that rarely makes it to his CDs
for some reason.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For Stu, Tom, Vaj, and others who might be interested,
 here's an interview with Bruce. He raps about food and
 sustainable growing, his work with the Unitarian Service
 Committee including his recent trip to Nepal, what he did
 with his first royalty check, the songwriting process, and 
 other interesting stuff.
 
 It's always uplifting for me to hear someone who really 
 walks the walk of his spiritual talk.
 
 Requires RealPlayer or something that plays .rm files:
 
 
rtsp://media.cbc.ca/cbc.ca/mainstreetns/media/20080310Full_Cockburn_15
2814.rm
 
 or 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yq4ms6


That's a blast from the past. I was a big fan and used to have a few 
of his albums, World of Wonders, Dancing in the dragons jaws, 
Stealing fire. A mate of mine brought them back from Canada, 
brilliant lyrics I seem to remember. I went and lost them all in a 
house move twenty years ago and they were never on sale in England. 
Hmmm might have to mosy on over to amazon for a perusal. Can you 
recommend a recent album of his Barry? Is he still doing good stuff?






[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
Zoran, 

Here's the good news:  you can continue to teach TM any way you want.  

You tell me, but it seems from over here that there's not enough money
in your country for the Rajas to be concerned that the likes of you
are running things there.  Maybe they'll write a couple legal
sounding letters to you, but simply ignore them.

I'd say, don't ever send any money from initiations to them, charge
your own price that's fair for your population's general ability to
pay, worship Guru Dev in exactly the way you wish, tell your marvelous
ideas about him, run your own rounding courses, train your own
teachers, use any TM materials you have at hand until you run out and
then print up your own as you see fit, and THEN become a world teacher
like Guru Dev was.

Let's see if any of the Rajas get off their asses to do the necessary
paperwork in your country to put you out of business.  I predict that
you're just too small for Girish's Thugs to come after you when they
would have to put out a lot of money to do so.

They're all going to be afighting each other soon enough, and you
won't matter to them, and meanwhile, why not start RIGHT NOW being the
kind of teacher you want to be, because they will scatter to the
winds.  Or, by the time any Raja decides to come at you with lawyers,
you'll be the leader of your local TM community and they'll believe in
your cause if you present the choice to them of being a lover of Guru
Dev as opposed to paying tribute money to a gangster in India.

Go! Go! Go!

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Black Hand (Serbian: Црна рука / Crna Ruka), officially
Unification
 or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje
ili smrt), was a
 secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this
 society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in
 Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to
 have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I.
 
 Ohhh you got me!
 Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see
conection?
 Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings.
 
 My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in
Croatia.
 Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were
creating war
 during 90' in ex-yugoslavia.
 During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with help of
 others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is
something
 what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on Kosovo.
 I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any kind.





[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not us (i.e. this group) he needs to hide his
 identity from, it's the TMO, that would boot him if
 they knew he belonged to this group.  So the real
 question is why would he want to be a member of an
 organization in which his private life is not private
 and he doesn't feel he has freedom of speech.

That is what I meant with my post Angela, but I can see how it could 
be taken both ways.

 
 If he's recertified that means he's just shelled out
 money that might have been a real sacrifice for him. 
 So then the question becomes, just what does the TMO
 give him that he would consider a good return on his
 investment.  
 

If he has to hide from them not a lot, but then he's obviously a long 
way in to be a re-cert. And the further up the garden path you've 
been led the further you have to walk back, and on your own. Which is 
why FFL is so good as it's chock full of ex-TMers who are doing just 
fine, myself included.

The fact is anyone reading this site is out of favour with the TMO as 
far as they are concerned


 --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  rick@ wrote:
  
   Hi Rick,
   
   I am sharing this with you because I feel that I
  can trust you to 
  protect my
   identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the
  FairfieldLife group and have
   hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that
  my identity must 
  be
   protected as a recertified governor. Is there a
  way of joining 
  where my
   identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e.
  google search, 
  yahoo
   profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your
  insights into this as 
  well as
   suggest your posting a thread periodically giving
  the steps for 
  joining and
   how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the
  title could be How 
  to Join
   FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . .
  just a thought and 
  it might
   draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they
  know that they 
  cannot be
   identified.
   
  
  How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your
  Identity! Jesus I had no 
  idea the TMO had got THAT scary.
  
  Think about it though, what is so great about being
  in a group you 
  have to hide your identity from? I think the answer
  to that is your 
  first step back to reality. 
  
  
 
 
 Send instant messages to your online friends 
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com





[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Zoran, 
 
 Here's the good news:  you can continue to teach TM any way you 
want.  

Ofcourse. All he has to do is stop slandering and telling lies about 
others in the movement.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread Vaj


On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:22 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


EZtorrent has its max of members and won't
let me sign up. Are these audios or videos?
I've got pretty much everything he's ever
performed in an audio version; what I'm on
the lookout for now is video of him performing.
Especially the times where he cuts loose on
the guitar; that rarely makes it to his CDs
for some reason.



Lossless audio (FLAC), one from a radio broadcast, another from a  
German broadcast. You'll occasionally see videos as well.

[FairfieldLife] Awareness Test

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
This test is part of a series on bicycle safety,
and it's a real doozy. Try it and see how well
you do:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

I think it's *very* instructive, and has a lot
to say about perception and, dare I say it, the
tendency for people to claim that something is
true because they saw it. Or haven't.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
GAWD I hate it when an chickenshit expat gives us such a delightful
absolutely instructive hands-down proof that we are all living in our
own worlds.

Barry, I bow.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This test is part of a series on bicycle safety,
 and it's a real doozy. Try it and see how well
 you do:
 
 http://www.dothetest.co.uk/
 
 I think it's *very* instructive, and has a lot
 to say about perception and, dare I say it, the
 tendency for people to claim that something is
 true because they saw it. Or haven't.





[FairfieldLife] Whoa! What a difference Ubuntu makes!

2008-03-12 Thread cardemaister

This is my first message using Ubuntu! The constant
rattle, or whatever, of my hard drive is all gone! : )

But I wonder, how unsafe is this without any(?) virus
protection, and stuff?



Re: [FairfieldLife] David Mamet on corporations

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
 from the same previously linked article:

 And I began to question my hatred for 'the Corporations'—the hatred of 
 which, I found, was but the flip side of my hunger for those goods and 
 services they provide and without which we could not live.

 Barfitu in particular would do well to contemplate Mamet's words.
His words are rather naive and not obviously of one who knows anything 
about economics and how businesses are run these days. Many of those 
products we have hunger for are assembled these days from many 
different sources. It's more of a network situation which didn't exist 
until recently. There is no need for large corporations any more, they 
are just dinosaurs.

I began wondering if Mamet was a little right leaning when he created 
the pro-war CBS series The Unit. Shempadelic, you should watch the CBS 
series Jericho which is near or at the old The Unit time slot.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 What TM teacher training course did you graduate from?  

 
 You only need to attend one single TM introductory lecture
 to know that there's no mantra angle mentioned. And you
 only need one single advanced technique to know that you
 only get one single bij mantra for TM practice. If you had
 attended either of these you would already know this.

 What TM teacher training course did you graduate from? 
   
Biarritz spring 1976.  Now that I answered your question please tell 
which one you graduated from?  If you had you would have heard the 
lecture on advanced techniques and the talk about the difference between 
the first and advanced.  Many teachers when asked about advanced 
techniques usually paraphrase from these lectures. You obviously aren't 
a teacher but like to pose as a TM expert which is very difficult to 
do unless you attended the TTCs especially the later ones which were 
longer and more information provided (and for those who attended the 
quick early TTCs they got more info on their AofE courses).


While we're at it please answer the other question I asked last week 
about what war we're fighting over in Iraq.  How do you gauge if we're 
won that war?  And isn't really an occupation?







Re: [FairfieldLife] Whoa! What a difference Ubuntu makes!

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
cardemaister wrote:
 This is my first message using Ubuntu! The constant
 rattle, or whatever, of my hard drive is all gone! : )

 But I wonder, how unsafe is this without any(?) virus
 protection, and stuff?
You can't get viruses on Linux because for a program to install (a virus 
is a program) you have to give it permission (go to root mode).  This is 
what Vista is supposed to provide but in their rather stupid need to be 
different Microsoft fucked it up.  I don't think anyone in the Linux 
camp would have complained if they had just copied the Linux method 
(which comes from UNIX anyway).

And isn't it nice to have your computer available for you in under a 
minute (as it is here with Ubuntu) rather than waiting for Windows to 
get up and running (currently that's 6 minutes with my Vista notebook).  
Windows is dead.  Microsoft's next big is Silverlight which will also 
run on Linux.  What does that tell you?





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Democrat caught fucking the proletariat

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
Oh yeah, when it's seen that politicians will become open books and can no 
longer screw their whores they will change the wiretapping laws.

- Original Message - 
From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Democrat caught fucking the proletariat


I predict that BigMedia will hardly support this outing as something
 that should have been done.  If they get too much into the moral
 outage and that phone taps are a legitimate way to reveal the deceit
 of politicians, O BOY, then why not tap everyone's phones?

 Can you imagine what else would be found if the bank statements and
 phone records and taped phone calls of all the politicians were to be
 garnered by some sort of spying program?  Who would have even a remote
 chance at coming off as squeaky clean after such an invasion?

 So this is interesting and will be entertaining to see how BigMedia
 handles this.  Too much official condemnation and the whole house of
 cards comes down, but if not enough moral outrage is shown, it will
 seem that an invasion of the Gov's privacy has been perpetrated for no
 reason.

 Spin spin spin.

 Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  Why can't Democrats have kinky scandals like the Republicans and
 Larry
  Craig?  They are so boringly normal with all this heterosexual stuff.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2usgwb
 The question today is why were federal wiretaps used?  Aren't they
 supposed to be after terrorists?  I thought that was why Dubya wanted
 them so he could protect us against terrorists not prostitutes.  Oh
 that's right everyone who doesn't agree with Dubya is a terrorist
 especially Spitzer.





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[FairfieldLife] Marci Shimoff on Montel -- today, Wednesday, March 12

2008-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
She’s a meditator (Governor?) who used to live in FF. Carol (Zurer) Kline
co-authored the book.

 

Dear Family and Friends,
 
Happy for No Reason is back on TV—I’m co-hosting The Montel William Show
tomorrow, Wednesday, March 12.  In January, I taped this special episode of
his show that’s devoted entirely to happiness. Click here to find the time
and channel in your area:  
HYPERLINK http://www.montelshow.com/http://www.montelshow.com/

I was delighted and honored to be asked to co-host this episode (which means
I’m on for most of the segments) as part of Montel’s Living Well series,
designed to help people live their best life possible. I was especially
excited to talk about the concept of Happy for No Reason with Montel, who
was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis (MS) in 1999 and knows firsthand how
to find well-being despite difficult circumstances.
 
On the show, Montel shared his own personal journey with me (though the show
went 25 minutes over time in the taping, so I have no idea what will be
included and what will be cut).  He is very inspiring, and his message is
truly aligned with the message of Happy for No Reason. He has found a way to
manage his disease and lead a remarkable life -- while helping others do the
same. It was a joy just to be with him.
 
Montel and I are joined by my dear friend, actress Catherine Oxenberg, who
also shares her happiness journey, and Bill Doyle, Montel’s co-author on
Living Well, who talks about happy foods.
 
Thanks to you for your wonderful support of me and Happy for No Reason.  The
book continues to sell extremely well and we have sold translation rights in
20 languages (and still more coming in).  Kinkos/Fedex has selected Happy
for No Reason to be their featured book of the month in April, so every
Kinkos store will have it on display.  There are more fantastic things
happening that I’ll tell you about very soon.  
 
However, the most moving aspect of this all for me and for Carol is the
response we’re getting from people who’ve read the book. We get emails,
letters and calls every day. Four different people have shared that they
were suicidal, but reading the book turned them around and saved their life.
How amazing--and humbling!  Carol and I feel such great gratitude for being
conduits of this message.  
 
With my love and gratitude,
Marci

 


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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield-rental property

2008-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
Friends, 

Spring is here! Or, at least the last vestiges of winter as we transition to
longer, warmer days. 

This intent of this email is to reach out, to friends and\or acquaintances
that might know of any reputable landlords that have properties for rent.
Ideally, I am looking for an affordable three bedroom house that is not
adjacent to the railroad tracks. 

So, Tom, how do you define affordable? 

Ideally $500 to $600. Unfortunately, that rules out anything with the MSV
stamp of approval. 


Please, let me know if you can recommendations. Thanks! 

Tom O'Neill 
815/616-0003 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[FairfieldLife] 10 myths about Gurus

2008-03-12 Thread tertonzeno
from http://www.guruphiliac.blogspot.com

Monday, April 04, 2005
Top Ten Myths About Gurus 

File under: Hagiographic Circus and The Great White Botherhood

The pursuit of the truth has brought us to many strange and wonderful 
places, some of which were in the presence of persons considered 
divine because they are gurus. Around such people constellate clouds 
of occluding ideology about self-realization, despite the efforts of 
the guru, or because of them. We've compiled a list of the ten top 
occluding ideas people hold about their gurus or gurus in general, 
for your perusal:

10. Guruji knows what's best for you
While we acknowledge the possibility that a real true guru could know 
what's best for you, s/he'd also know it's best to let you decide for 
yourself. Gurus who pretend to know what's best for all their 
devotees are fooling themselves as much as they are their disciples.

9. Guruji can read your mind
Did you ever wonder why people seem so sanctimonious while in the 
presence of their guru, besides kissing ass by acting joyous or 
pious. They probably believe that their guru is reading their mind, 
and all the minds of the devotees in their presence. Or even those 
not in their presence. The fact is that self-realization confers no 
special power to read minds, despite the assertions of Patanjali and 
the Theosophists. There may be some gurus who seem to have a knack 
for coincidental occurrence, but no more than other people with the 
same knack.

8. Guruji doesn't feel pain
We were going to suggest cutting off a guru's arm to see if s/he 
feels pain, but then we realized the shock of the trauma would 
probably just shut off the pain response. Believe us, gurus feel 
pain. They may know varying levels of emotional pain as well.

7. Guruji knows all your past lives
More theosophical nonsense. Not that there aren't past lives, and not 
that they can't be known, but they can't be watched like a movie by a 
person with the right siddhi. They may see something they believe are 
your past lives, but it's much more likely to be something made up in 
their head in the moment, whether they believe it to be the truth or 
know that it isn't.

6. Guruji knows your future
See number 1. No special powers outside of knowing the truth of self-
realization are conferred by self-realization.

5. Guruji knows everything
One of the major occluding expectations about self-realization is the 
idea that knowing yourself as the whole entails access to all the 
information in the whole. In truth, self-realization confers just one 
kind of special knowledge that only knows itself. There is no content 
there. That's why they call it emptiness. So anything your guru knows 
s/he knows because they heard it or read it.

4. Guruji has no desires
This is based in the most pervasive of the occluding expectations, 
that desire somehow prevents self-realization. Desire is merely the 
way the body responds to conditions. The guru may (or may not) be 
over sex, but when they want a Twinkie, they go get a Twinkie.

3. Guruji is the avatar
A guru proclaiming themselves to be the living avatar is like the 
Mission Impossible tape proclaiming it will self-destruct in ten 
seconds.

2. Guruji is divine
Sure, and so is every other person on the planet, regardless of their 
spiritual status. Knowing who you really are doesn't change who 
you've always been in this life. It just adds the knowledge that we 
are all of the same, one being. Anything else is just publicist 
bullshit.

1. Guruji can enlighten with a touch
You can have enlightenment in the presence of your guru, but it 
wasn't because s/he touched you. Transmission or shaktipat gurus 
merely tap into the power of mind by way of a ruse, the idea that 
they are God and can do such things. That ruse sometimes captures the 
mind of the guru just as much as that of the devotees, so they aren't 
all to be blamed for the subterfuge.

posted by jody @ 7:32 PM  

41 Comments:
At 4/06/2005 4:37 PM,  Anonymous said... 
While it's only a stretch to conclude what is, it's the height of 
arrogance to conclude what isn't.

Sincerely

  
At 4/06/2005 4:45 PM,  Anonymous said... 
so jody, you're saying that you can see from one end of reality to 
the other and can enumerate what's there and what isn't? I call 
bullshit on that.

  
005 4:48 PM,  jody said... 
Show me a positive demonstration of any of the myths I've presented, 
and I'll post a retraction.

If it doesn't happen in the real world, it don't happen in the guru 
world. It's straight up magical thinking.

There are medicines you can take for that now.

  
At 4/06/2005 4:56 PM,  Anonymous said... 
Q: How do you tell the difference between the 




[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor

2008-03-12 Thread Alex Stanley
Zoran could single-handedly turn kaliyugoslavia into satyugoslavia!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Zoran, 
 
 Here's the good news:  you can continue to teach TM any way you want.  
 
 You tell me, but it seems from over here that there's not enough money
 in your country for the Rajas to be concerned that the likes of you
 are running things there.  Maybe they'll write a couple legal
 sounding letters to you, but simply ignore them.
 
 I'd say, don't ever send any money from initiations to them, charge
 your own price that's fair for your population's general ability to
 pay, worship Guru Dev in exactly the way you wish, tell your marvelous
 ideas about him, run your own rounding courses, train your own
 teachers, use any TM materials you have at hand until you run out and
 then print up your own as you see fit, and THEN become a world teacher
 like Guru Dev was.
 
 Let's see if any of the Rajas get off their asses to do the necessary
 paperwork in your country to put you out of business.  I predict that
 you're just too small for Girish's Thugs to come after you when they
 would have to put out a lot of money to do so.
 
 They're all going to be afighting each other soon enough, and you
 won't matter to them, and meanwhile, why not start RIGHT NOW being the
 kind of teacher you want to be, because they will scatter to the
 winds.  Or, by the time any Raja decides to come at you with lawyers,
 you'll be the leader of your local TM community and they'll believe in
 your cause if you present the choice to them of being a lover of Guru
 Dev as opposed to paying tribute money to a gangster in India.
 
 Go! Go! Go!
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta
 krneta.zoran@ wrote:
 
  Black Hand (Serbian: Црна рука / Crna Ruka), officially
 Unification
  or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje
 ili smrt), was a
  secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this
  society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in
  Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to
  have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I.
  
  Ohhh you got me!
  Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see
 conection?
  Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings.
  
  My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in
 Croatia.
  Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were
 creating war
  during 90' in ex-yugoslavia.
  During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with
help of
  others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is
 something
  what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on
Kosovo.
  I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any
kind.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread tertonzeno
--Precisely, Edg!  IMO some misconceptions regarding Samadhi have 
crept into our history of what the experience is all about, due to 
some statements of Ramakrishna (1836-1886) regarding going into 
Samadhi - in which he was temporarily oblivious to the outer world, 
but had an inner awareness of Pure Consciousness coupled with 
(perhaps) some memories of inner visions.
 To a degree, MMY has made some headway in setting the record 
straight; along with Buddhism as a whole.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since the Absolute is always there, the experience of a blackout is,
 er, go figure, AN EXPERIENCE OF THE ABSOLUTE.
 
 Since no memory can be dredged up about the experience, it could
 only be the Absolute that was present.
 
 Get that?
 
 Nothing is what was experienced.
 
 No thing.  Not even awareness, not even amness.
 
 Sorry to tell ya TBs and bliss seekers, but that's the actual real
 deal bottomline goal of goals.
 
 Consult your local Buddhist about the void.
 
 It is that no-thingness that will be discovered to be the only
 identity one has ever had.  The rest is a dross of verbiage
 floating on the illusion of consciousness.
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, endlessrainintoapapercup
 endlessrainintoapapercup@ wrote:
 
  Kirk said: 
Some yogis have noted TMers--esp. TM-Sidhi practitioners have 
blocks 
  in their nervous system (actually their pranic bodies) that can
 prevent such full 
  awakening.
  
  What exactly causes these alleged blocks?
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ 
wrote:
  
   That vampired look I have determined comes from squeezing the 
eyes
 shut for 
  many hours a day which gives a person bruises under their eyes 
(dark
 circles) and 
  also from the lack of sunlight. I used to look like that from
 rounding. Most people do 
  at some point.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Vaj 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries
 about TM technique and 
  experience
   
   
   
   
 On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:56 AM, endlessrainintoapapercup wrote:
   
   
   I don't know what type of experience you are talking about,
 matrixmonitor...I'm 
  only 
   addressing the issue of conscious transcendence. If
 transcendence isn't 
  conscious, 
   how can anyone say with any certainty that it exists?
   
   My words about deeper states of meditative absorption were 
not
 intended to 
  reflect 
   TM-teach. I was just acknowledging that the experience I
 described, of pure 
   consciousness beyond form, is just the beginning of 
culturing
 deeper and 
   deeper meditative states. TM may not acknowledge them, but
 other meditation 
   traditions do. My original question was simply whether TM
 produces conscious 
   transcendence for others, as it doesn't seem to do so for 
me.
   
   
   
   
 Until you're centered and fully transcended at the level of 
the
 makara-bindu and 
  open the eye of knowledge, the third eye as the TM puja
 mentions, most TMers 
  will just languish in a laya-samadhi. The techniques to actually
 awaken awareness 
  there aren't taught in TM, so unless you're somehow predisposed to
 awaken so 
  highly, it just doesn't happen.
   
   
 Some yogis have noted TMers--esp. TM-Sidhi practitioners have
 blocks in their 
  nervous system (actually their pranic bodies) that can prevent
 such full awakening.
   
   
 Rounding continuously for decades in a laya can't be a good
 thing. But if you've 
  ever met the sickly Purusha's of the TMO and the resultant 
distorted
 personality 
  types, one does start to wonder how healthy it is. Some of these
 guys looks like they 
  were vampirized for years. It's also probably why TM doesn't make
 the brain very 
  coherent at all like as is seen in deep meditation/samadhi.
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Improv Everywhere Can I Get A Napkin Please?

2008-03-12 Thread Marek Reavis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkYZ6rbPU2M

A well-scored, planned, and executed act of random kindness and 
senseless fun.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness Test

2008-03-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This test is part of a series on bicycle safety,
 and it's a real doozy. Try it and see how well
 you do:
 
 http://www.dothetest.co.uk/
 
 I think it's *very* instructive, and has a lot
 to say about perception and, dare I say it, the
 tendency for people to claim that something is
 true because they saw it. Or haven't.

Ha! That was great! I can count, but I can't see fer shit.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   What�s your take on MMY�s contention that OM makes you a recluse, and
  his
   claim that Guru Dev said the same thing?
  
  The proof is in the pudding.  There are many Indian billionaires and
  millionaires who practice techniques with OM.  Most Indians dismiss
  MMY's contention when you mention it to them.  My guru thinks the
  notion
  is preposterous.   And when I dropped TM and used another mantra with
  OM
  my income and opportunities actually picked up.
 
 So have mine. And Amma shares your guru's opinion. I asked her about it. I
 guess Guru Dev must have been wrong on this one.

Do you define your success in life as a householder by your income-level alone?


Seems to me that, regardless of the validity of the OM vs non-OM mantra issue, 
you're 
also assuming that you can extrapolate your experience to everyone else.


Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
What�s your take on MMY�s contention that OM makes you a 
recluse, and
   his
claim that Guru Dev said the same thing?
   
   The proof is in the pudding.  There are many Indian 
billionaires and
   millionaires who practice techniques with OM.  Most Indians 
dismiss
   MMY's contention when you mention it to them.  My guru thinks 
the
   notion
   is preposterous.   And when I dropped TM and used another 
mantra with
   OM
   my income and opportunities actually picked up.
  
  So have mine. And Amma shares your guru's opinion. I asked her 
about it. I
  guess Guru Dev must have been wrong on this one.
 
 Do you define your success in life as a householder by your income-
level alone?
 
 
 Seems to me that, regardless of the validity of the OM vs non-OM 
mantra issue, you're 
 also assuming that you can extrapolate your experience to everyone 
else.
 
 
 Lawson


**end**

But, Lawson, isn't that what Guru Dev was doing; extrapolating his 
experience (or what he had been taught, or believed to be true) to 
everyone else?



[FairfieldLife] An Important Message for All Sidhas

2008-03-12 Thread george_deforest
An Important Message for All Sidhas  [Invincible America] 
http://invincibleamerica.org/
Dear Governors and Sidhas,

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Please feel free to share this email with other Sidhas you know.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --Precisely, Edg!  IMO some misconceptions regarding Samadhi have 
 crept into our history of what the experience is all about, due to 
 some statements of Ramakrishna (1836-1886) regarding going into 
 Samadhi - in which he was temporarily oblivious to the outer world, 
 but had an inner awareness of Pure Consciousness coupled with 
 (perhaps) some memories of inner visions.
  To a degree, MMY has made some headway in setting the record 
 straight; along with Buddhism as a whole.
 
 

There's a difference between loss of consciousness (blacking out) and cessation 
 of mental 
and sensory activity while still maintaining alertness.

Physiologically, this is due to how our brains work:

there are several main components to most mental activity:

sensory input, thalamic meditation and cortical activity.

Sensory input comes in and the thalamus may pass that activity to the rest of 
the brain for 
further processing and accept recycled input from the rest of the brain which 
is merged 
with the raw sensory input for further processing. Some scientists think this 
last (the 
cortico-thalamic loop) is what we call mental activity or thinking.


during the waking state:

sense input comes in and is passed to the brain and recycled. 

during dreaming:

sense input is reduced or eliminated but the brain remains alert and the 
thalamus accepts 
internal signals and passes them back into the brain

during deep sleep:

sense input is reduced or eliminated and the brain is not alert and the 
thalamus doesn't 
accept internal signals


during samadhi:

sense input is reduced or eliminated, the brain is alert, but the thalamus 
doesn't accept 
internal signals, so the brain is left doing what it always in all forms of 
activity--even 
deep sleep: optimize connections between its various cells and parts.



The above is very idealized, but it gives you a feel for the main differences 
between forms 
of awareness in the brain. Note that the brain is still alert during samadhi, 
but there is 
neither thinking nor dreaming nor outside awareness, merely alert-mode 
optimization 
activity without any external processing. This restful alertness is the alpha 
wave.


 When huge chunks (mostly frontal lobe IIRC) of the brain  are in this mode, 
Self 
awareness manifests. When this mode becomes the default idle mode of the 
brain, even 
during waking, dreaming and sleeping, we call it Cosmic Consciousness --our 
awareness returns to Self even in the midst of activity.



Lawson




[FairfieldLife] Are carbon credits tax deductible?

2008-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
I read this week where Governor Arnold Schwazzenegger (or however the 
hell you spell it) flies home from Sacramento every weeknight to be 
with his family in Los Angeles.  The cost?  $10,000 per flight.  
Arnold, worth over $100 million, pays for the flights himself.

And a huge carbon cost, too (something of concern to those fools who 
actually believe in man-made catastrophic global warming).  But 
Arnold offsets this by purchasing carbon credits.

Arnold is on record as believing in catastrophic man-made global 
warming.  What he is doing by purchasing the carbon credits is, of 
course, purchasing indulgences to appease his guilt.

My question is:

1) are the costs of the daily flights tax deductible to Arnold?

2) are the costs of the carbon credits he purchases tax deductible?

If the answer to the two above questions are yes then I suggest to 
you that the $80,000 that Eliot Spitzer spent on hookers should be 
tax deductible, too.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  http://tinyurl.com/yq4ms6
 
 That's a blast from the past. I was a big fan and used to have a few 
 of his albums, World of Wonders, Dancing in the dragons jaws, 
 Stealing fire. A mate of mine brought them back from Canada, 
 brilliant lyrics I seem to remember. I went and lost them all in a 
 house move twenty years ago and they were never on sale in England. 
 Hmmm might have to mosy on over to amazon for a perusal. Can you 
 recommend a recent album of his Barry? Is he still doing good stuff?

You're asking a fanatic, so beware. :-) 

The answer to your last question above, unfortunately
for the collector, is Yes, he is still doing good
stuff. 

The albums of the era you liked (cited above) had
a specific sound quality to them that reflected not
only Bruce's influences and taste at the time, but
also the band at the time. Since then, he's easily
had six or seven different sounds, tastes, and bands.
Not everyone (even fanatics) like all of them equally.

To get an overview of the various sounds, I can actually
recommend a best of album called Anything, Anytime,
Anywhere. It's a collection of the singles from 1079-
2002 and has some great stuff on it.

Of the newer releases, my favorite is The Charity Of
Night. Dart to the Heart is a lovely album IMO, but a
lot of people didn't like the different (for him) sound.
Breakfast In New Orleans, Dinner In Timbuktu has some
great songs on it as well.

I love the two newest albums (You've Never Seen Every-
thing and Life Short Call Now), but they have some new
sounds and tonal experiments on them that, again, not
everyone likes. My best advice would be to go to a
site that allows you to listen to samples and try to
get a feel for the albums before buying. Here are a 
few resources list on http://cockburnproject.net:

# Sonic Net hosts the Night Train and Last Night Of The World
video - http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_video.jhtml?ai_id=4688
- Sonic Net's offers the Night Train video from The Charity Of
Night album, and Last Night Of The World from the Breakfast In New
Orleans, Dinner In Timbuktu album in its Bruce Cockburn feature
section. Format: RealVideo.

# Sputnik7.com hosts the Night Train and Last Night Of The World
videos - http://www.sputnik7.com/vod/
- Sputnik7.com also has the two videos above.Formats: both RealAudio
and WindowsMedia.

# Bruce Cockburn Lyric Library -
http://www.stealing-fire.com/BCLL/Default.asp
- Marie Westhaver's archive of lyrics, fully searchable or browsable
by album, has short clips of all released songs. Format: RealAudio





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:09 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


To get an overview of the various sounds, I can actually
recommend a best of album called Anything, Anytime,
Anywhere. It's a collection of the singles from 1079-
2002 and has some great stuff on it.


From 1079?!  Wow, this guy really does have staying power, Barry. :)

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:09 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  To get an overview of the various sounds, I can actually
  recommend a best of album called Anything, Anytime,
  Anywhere. It's a collection of the singles from 1079-
  2002 and has some great stuff on it.
 
  From 1079?!  Wow, this guy really does have staying power, Barry. :)

More than you know. :-)

Yes, it was a typo, but he is on record as saying
that in his opinion one of his songs was recycled
from an incarnation in the 12th century. Wish I
could find a place where you can listen to it on
the Net but so far I haven't been able to, so here
are the lyrics. It's about the joys of multi-
incarnational love:

Love Song

In the place my wonder comes from
There I find you
Your face shines in my sky

In your heart where the world comes from
There you will find me
Your eyes dance in my mind

Come with me
We will sail on the wind
We will sway among the yellow grass
When you be beside me
I am real

Though my eyes be closed forever
Still I would find you
You shine across my time

Come with me
We will sail on the wind
We will sway among the yellow grass
When you be beside me
I am real

In the place my wonder comes from
There I find you





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
That's why I practice a school of village tantra.  It is simple because 
people in villages didn't get expensive educations.  For the modern 
person in our complex society the simpler these things are taught the 
better.  I think many of the extrapolations which are complex appeal to 
people who worship complexity because it makes them feel secure.

Larry wrote:
 you're making this way too complicated, simplify, simplify, there's
 nothing to this


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:33 PM, endlessrainintoapapercup wrote:

 
  Some yogis have noted TMers--esp. TM-Sidhi practitioners have blocks
 in their nervous system (actually their pranic bodies) that can  
 prevent such full
 awakening.

 What exactly causes these alleged blocks?
   
 Imbalanced kundalini risings which take non-culminating routes.  
 Several people with vajra-nadi risings that I've spoken to. They  
 believe sidhi cultivation has a lot to do with it.

 See http://www.kundalinicare.com/aboutkundalini3.html

 These people--a swami from the Saraswati order and his American  
 lineholder--have spent a lot of time helping old TMers, including some  
 higher-ups who skidaddled the TMO years ago. They also come to  
 Fairfield from what I see every now and again.

 One letter from one of MMY's old close students, Earl Kaplan, is in  
 the FFL archives. He seems to feel it was deliberate, but who knows?

 



   



[FairfieldLife] Re: Whoa! What a difference Ubuntu makes!

2008-03-12 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 cardemaister wrote:
  This is my first message using Ubuntu! The constant
  rattle, or whatever, of my hard drive is all gone! : )
 
  But I wonder, how unsafe is this without any(?) virus
  protection, and stuff?

 You can't get viruses on Linux because for a program to install (a 
virus 
 is a program) you have to give it permission (go to root mode). 

Thanks! That's what I thought but wasn't absolutely sure
about that. 


This is 
 what Vista is supposed to provide but in their rather stupid 
need to be 
 different Microsoft fucked it up.  I don't think anyone in the 
Linux 
 camp would have complained if they had just copied the Linux 
method 
 (which comes from UNIX anyway).
 
 And isn't it nice to have your computer available for you in under 
a 
 minute (as it is here with Ubuntu) rather than waiting for Windows 
to 
 get up and running (currently that's 6 minutes with my Vista 
notebook).  
 Windows is dead.  Microsoft's next big is Silverlight which will 
also 
 run on Linux.  What does that tell you?





[FairfieldLife] Iran Invasion Opponent Admiral Fallen Resigns

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
Now its full speed ahead for chunklenuts and Darth Cheney to invade and 
occupy Iran on your dime!  Fallon was opposed to the White House 
gangster's Iran plans.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Mideast_military_chief_resigns_after_magazine_0311.html

David Lindorff piece on this.  Note that US Naval ships are positioning 
themselves off the shore of Iran right now:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/031208Lindorff.shtml

How long do we have to put up with these criminals in office?  January 
20th, 2009 may be too late.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread suziezuzie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote:
 
  --Precisely, Edg!  IMO some misconceptions regarding Samadhi have 
  crept into our history of what the experience is all about, due to 
  some statements of Ramakrishna (1836-1886) regarding going into 
  Samadhi - in which he was temporarily oblivious to the outer world, 
  but had an inner awareness of Pure Consciousness coupled with 
  (perhaps) some memories of inner visions.
   To a degree, MMY has made some headway in setting the record 
  straight; along with Buddhism as a whole.
  
  
 
 There's a difference between loss of consciousness (blacking out)
and cessation  of mental 
 and sensory activity while still maintaining alertness.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote:
 
  --Precisely, Edg!  IMO some misconceptions regarding Samadhi have 
  crept into our history of what the experience is all about, due to 
  some statements of Ramakrishna (1836-1886) regarding going into 
  Samadhi - in which he was temporarily oblivious to the outer world, 
  but had an inner awareness of Pure Consciousness coupled with 
  (perhaps) some memories of inner visions.
   To a degree, MMY has made some headway in setting the record 
  straight; along with Buddhism as a whole.
  
  
 
 There's a difference between loss of consciousness (blacking out)
and cessation  of mental 
 and sensory activity while still maintaining alertness.
 

About ten years ago, I was playing basketball. Instead of having a
single pole that held up the hoop in the park where we played, the
hoop was held by two poles descending down like an inverted V. I was
driving up for a lay up and caught my head dead on into one of the
descending poles and went completely unconscious for what seemed like
at least five seconds. What I remember clearly was the experience of
not being unconscious, having a gap of awareness normally associated
with being knocked out, but instead being perfectly aware of That,
nothing but pure awareness and then coming back into waking state. 

The thing I realized from that experience was, that the integration of
Being is so natural over years of meditating. A person will not know
how much Being has been integrated into their waking experience until
they are confronted with a contrast or what we believe is the normal
experience of unconsciousness. I suppose death would be the ultimate
judge if this were true or not.





Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off, investigative doco 1 hr. 40 min

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
Angela Mailander wrote:
 Bhairitu, have you seen this?  Lemme know what you
 think. a

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8176286327617173136

 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

   
No, I haven't seen it yet.  I wish it were downloadable as some of the 
Google stuff is.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
  What TM teacher training course did you graduate from? 
 
Bhairitu wrote:   
 Biarritz spring 1976. Now that I answered your question 
 please tell which one you graduated from?

Is this some kind of trick question? 

 If you had you would have heard the lecture on advanced 
 techniques and the talk about the difference between the 
 first and advanced.

I got my first advanced technique from Satyanand and my 
second advanced technique from the Marshy himself. No mention 
of any bija mantra angles. I was taught the A of E techniques 
in 1975 on one of the first siddhi courses in Austin. The 
A of E techniques were only taught on 3 or 4 courses and then 
they were replaced by the TM-Sidhis. The A of E techniques 
were supposed to bring on the siddhis. They involve putting 
your attention systematically on different parts of the body 
and then on different parts of the world and finally on the 
universe. They are preceeded by fast pranayama. 

I've heard many talks about advanced techniques in Austin
in 1976, at the TM-Sidhi Center. There was no mention of
any bija mantra angles. There was no mention of any angles 
at my first introductory TM lecture by Jerry Jarvis in 1965
at SIMS in Westwood. I've heard dozens of TM introductory 
lectures since then and in none of them was a bija mantra 
angle mentioned. There's no difference between the TM lecture
I heard and the ones that any other student hears. There is
nothing in the TM checking notes about any angles.

 Many teachers when asked about advanced techniques usually
 paraphrase from these lectures. You obviously aren't 
 a teacher but like to pose as a TM expert which is very 
 difficult to do unless you attended the TTCs 

According to Vaj, this amounts to next to nothing! 

Face it, all you get in advanced techniques are a few Sankrit 
words to add to your mantra - some fertilizer, that's it. No 
new bija mantras, no angles. 

 especially the later ones which were longer and more 
 information provided (and for those who attended the quick 
 early TTCs they got more info on their AofE courses).
 
Are you suggesting that you are a TM teacher of Advanced 
Techniques? A Minister or a Governor?

In TM you get only one single bija mantra. In advanced 
techniques you get fertilizer words to add before and after 
your bija mantra. There are no mantras or bijas in the 
TM-Sidhi Program. 

True about Willytex, however, I did notice much of what he 
said seemed genuine and checked out accurately in my book, 
with the exceptions I notedhe had an incredible amount 
of info. and trivia, he may be extraordinary in this respect!  
- Willaim G. Murphy, Governor of the Age of Enlightenment 



[FairfieldLife] David Wilcocks on 2012 Enigma

2008-03-12 Thread Jyotish Brahmani-Raam
full...full...smiles - enjoy!



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4951448613711060908

if you have trouble opening this video go to the link and scroll down
and watch:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=37\
4Itemid=70

lovelove,
solarlotus



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your replies to my inquiries about TM technique and experience

2008-03-12 Thread Bhairitu
Go take a look at the bubble diagram again.  Yes I was a Governor.  You 
still haven't answered my other question.  Why?  And you didn't clearly 
state you were not a teacher.  Why?  Are you a coward?  Is that what 
happens to beings living under bridges?

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 What TM teacher training course did you graduate from? 

   
 Bhairitu wrote:   
   
 Biarritz spring 1976. Now that I answered your question 
 please tell which one you graduated from?

 
 Is this some kind of trick question? 

   
 If you had you would have heard the lecture on advanced 
 techniques and the talk about the difference between the 
 first and advanced.

 
 I got my first advanced technique from Satyanand and my 
 second advanced technique from the Marshy himself. No mention 
 of any bija mantra angles. I was taught the A of E techniques 
 in 1975 on one of the first siddhi courses in Austin. The 
 A of E techniques were only taught on 3 or 4 courses and then 
 they were replaced by the TM-Sidhis. The A of E techniques 
 were supposed to bring on the siddhis. They involve putting 
 your attention systematically on different parts of the body 
 and then on different parts of the world and finally on the 
 universe. They are preceeded by fast pranayama. 

 I've heard many talks about advanced techniques in Austin
 in 1976, at the TM-Sidhi Center. There was no mention of
 any bija mantra angles. There was no mention of any angles 
 at my first introductory TM lecture by Jerry Jarvis in 1965
 at SIMS in Westwood. I've heard dozens of TM introductory 
 lectures since then and in none of them was a bija mantra 
 angle mentioned. There's no difference between the TM lecture
 I heard and the ones that any other student hears. There is
 nothing in the TM checking notes about any angles.

   
 Many teachers when asked about advanced techniques usually
 paraphrase from these lectures. You obviously aren't 
 a teacher but like to pose as a TM expert which is very 
 difficult to do unless you attended the TTCs 

 
 According to Vaj, this amounts to next to nothing! 

 Face it, all you get in advanced techniques are a few Sankrit 
 words to add to your mantra - some fertilizer, that's it. No 
 new bija mantras, no angles. 

   
 especially the later ones which were longer and more 
 information provided (and for those who attended the quick 
 early TTCs they got more info on their AofE courses).

 
 Are you suggesting that you are a TM teacher of Advanced 
 Techniques? A Minister or a Governor?

 In TM you get only one single bija mantra. In advanced 
 techniques you get fertilizer words to add before and after 
 your bija mantra. There are no mantras or bijas in the 
 TM-Sidhi Program. 

 True about Willytex, however, I did notice much of what he 
 said seemed genuine and checked out accurately in my book, 
 with the exceptions I notedhe had an incredible amount 
 of info. and trivia, he may be extraordinary in this respect!  
 - Willaim G. Murphy, Governor of the Age of Enlightenment 


   



[FairfieldLife] State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna

2008-03-12 Thread matrixmonitor
from geocities.  Comparing this experience to the statements of MMY, 
my conclusion is that Ramakrishna's experience is a case of a lack of 
integration.:


State Of Samadhi in the Life of Sri Ramakrishna 

During the sadhana of Vedanta, Sri Ramakrishna tried to transcend all 
the limitations of body-mind duality. Under the guidance of his 
teacher - Tota Puri - Sri Ramakrishna took to the practice with 
intense zeal and determination that knew no bounds. When the 
effulgent form of Mother obstructed his entry into the realm of 
superconscious state, he put an end to it with the 'sword of 
discrimination'. He went into a state of highest nondual 
consciousness and was established in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Continuously 
for three days Sri Ramakrishna was lost in that state, sitting like a 
stone - lifeless to outer world and stimuli. His face was calm, 
serene, and radiant. A doctor examined the functions of his heart and 
lungs, but he was dead like a wood to the external stimuli. After 
three days he gradually regained his normal consciousness. Afterwards 
Sri Ramakrishna was in state of samadhi continuously for six months. 
*
We intently watched Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in samadhi. His 
whole body relaxed and then became slightly rigid. There was no 
twitching of the muscles or the nerves, no movement of any limb. Both 
his hands lay in his lap with the fingers lightly interlocked. The 
sitting posture of the body was easy but absolutely motionless. The 
face was slightly tilted up and in repose. The eyes were nearly but 
not wholly closed. The eyeballs were not turned up or otherwise 
deflected, but they were fixed and conveyed no message of outer 
objects to the brain. The lips were parted in a beatific and 
indescribable smile. There was something in that wonderful smile 
which no photograph was ever able to reproduce. 
*
In the state of samadhi the master's body was bent on one side and 
therefore the cameraman went to make him sit erect by softly 
adjusting his chin. But as soon as he touched the chin the whole body 
of the Master came up like a piece of paper - so light it was. The 
Master was completely unaware of this incidence. Swami Nirvanananda 
said that he had heard that people experiencing samadhi of a certain 
type or depth generally do become light. 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bruce Cockburn interview

2008-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:36 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


 From 1079?!  Wow, this guy really does have staying power, Barry. :)


More than you know. :-)


Well I did mean (ahem) his music...

Great lyrics--thanks.  I'll look for it on Amazon.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous. Homogenous means -same throughout- 
and is always clear though it may have color. This is because compounds in such 
mixtures are perfectly integrated. Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such 
as in the whitish color of particles in milk. They may be well suspended, but 
they still stand out.

Thus transparency is a feature of true integration. Heterogeneous solutions 
will show different mixtures at different spots. Thus ambivalence. 

We could use these two analogies to decide whether a person or group of either  
spiritual or political entities is integral or merely appropriating. 

Someone of integrity is transparent because homogeneous in their ethics, 
ontology, epistimology. Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem to be 
something and yet they aren't. In fact it's almost a truism that the more 
someone seems like something the less they are that. 

It is almost certain that the most integrated people cannot be discerned in any 
possible way being most transparent. It stands to reason. 

Okay, now you try it, look around and see.

Re: [FairfieldLife] David Wilcocks on 2012 Enigma

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
Can you summarize a bit Mrs. Raam?  What enigma is there in 2012? Especially 
since such a time has not yet been observed? What was that prophecy you spake 
about six years ago about the end of the US? The Nicherin Prophecy or 
something. Okay, well everyone needs something to rely on. 

Best to rely upon the unchanging center though since having no quality it will 
not cease. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jyotish Brahmani-Raam 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:24 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] David Wilcocks on 2012 Enigma


  full...full...smiles - enjoy!



  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4951448613711060908

  if you have trouble opening this video go to the link and scroll down and 
watch: 
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=374Itemid=70

  lovelove,
  solarlotus
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
The syntax of your last sentence is not entirely
transparent to me. Please clarify.



--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
 Homogenous means -same throughout- and is always
 clear though it may have color. This is because
 compounds in such mixtures are perfectly integrated.
 Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as in
 the whitish color of particles in milk. They may be
 well suspended, but they still stand out.
 
 Thus transparency is a feature of true integration.
 Heterogeneous solutions will show different mixtures
 at different spots. Thus ambivalence. 
 
 We could use these two analogies to decide whether a
 person or group of either  spiritual or political
 entities is integral or merely appropriating. 
 
 Someone of integrity is transparent because
 homogeneous in their ethics, ontology, epistimology.
 Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem to
 be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
 almost a truism that the more someone seems like
 something the less they are that. 
 
 It is almost certain that the most integrated people
 cannot be discerned in any possible way being most
 transparent. It stands to reason. 
 
 Okay, now you try it, look around and see.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna

2008-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of matrixmonitor
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna

 

from geocities. Comparing this experience to the statements of MMY, 
my conclusion is that Ramakrishna's experience is a case of a lack of 
integration.:

I once heard a story (perhaps my cat told me, Nabby) that Maharishi was
visiting another master, or vice versa, and the master had a few of his
disciples go into a state of Samadhi like the one in the Ramakrishna story –
oblivious to external stimuli. He then asked Maharishi if any of his
disciples could do that and Maharishi answered, “Not yet.”

There are many ancient and contemporary accounts of saints and yogis
entering into states of absorption like that. I wouldn’t call it a lack of
integration. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
I'll give you a different example.  What color is a yellow banana?

- Original Message - 
From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies 
and Transparency


 The syntax of your last sentence is not entirely
 transparent to me. Please clarify.



 --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
 Homogenous means -same throughout- and is always
 clear though it may have color. This is because
 compounds in such mixtures are perfectly integrated.
 Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as in
 the whitish color of particles in milk. They may be
 well suspended, but they still stand out.

 Thus transparency is a feature of true integration.
 Heterogeneous solutions will show different mixtures
 at different spots. Thus ambivalence.

 We could use these two analogies to decide whether a
 person or group of either  spiritual or political
 entities is integral or merely appropriating.

 Someone of integrity is transparent because
 homogeneous in their ethics, ontology, epistimology.
 Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem to
 be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
 almost a truism that the more someone seems like
 something the less they are that.

 It is almost certain that the most integrated people
 cannot be discerned in any possible way being most
 transparent. It stands to reason.

 Okay, now you try it, look around and see.


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[FairfieldLife] Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor

2008-03-12 Thread bob_brigante
The letter that Ian T. Baldwin, director of a prestigious research 
institute in Jena, Germany, received on January 9 from the Thuringian 
state police informed him that he was being charged with a crime. The 
letter was straightforward enough, but the crime was bafflingly obscure.

It said I was being charged with Missbrauchs von Titeln, or misuse of 
title, and that I had to appear at the police station, Mr. Baldwin 
said today by telephone. I looked up on the Web what Missbrauchs von 
Titeln meant. It's used for people who impersonate police officers. If 
convicted, Mr. Baldwin, who directs the Max Planck Institute for 
Chemical Ecology, could face a hefty fine and as much as a year in jail.

Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law governing the use of academic 
titles, was to assume that his doctorate from Cornell University 
entitled him to call himself Doctor in Germany. The honorific, 
apparently, is reserved for recipients of doctoral degrees from German 
universities.
(more)
http://tinyurl.com/ypxd79
http://chronicle.com/news/index.php?id=4134utm_source=pmutm_medium=en



Re: [FairfieldLife] Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
I think it's probably a case of tit for tat.  America
does not recognize several kinds of degrees from
foreign universities.  And in the case of a Ph.D. the
requirements are quite different in the two countries.
 In the U.S. a doctoral dissertation is required.  In
Germany, a doctoral dissertation and a second work of
bigger proportions are required.  The second work is
the so-called Habilitationsschrift.  T
--- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The letter that Ian T. Baldwin, director of a
 prestigious research 
 institute in Jena, Germany, received on January 9
 from the Thuringian 
 state police informed him that he was being charged
 with a crime. The 
 letter was straightforward enough, but the crime was
 bafflingly obscure.
 
 It said I was being charged with Missbrauchs von
 Titeln, or misuse of 
 title, and that I had to appear at the police
 station, Mr. Baldwin 
 said today by telephone. I looked up on the Web
 what Missbrauchs von 
 Titeln meant. It's used for people who impersonate
 police officers. If 
 convicted, Mr. Baldwin, who directs the Max Planck
 Institute for 
 Chemical Ecology, could face a hefty fine and as
 much as a year in jail.
 
 Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law governing
 the use of academic 
 titles, was to assume that his doctorate from
 Cornell University 
 entitled him to call himself Doctor in Germany.
 The honorific, 
 apparently, is reserved for recipients of doctoral
 degrees from German 
 universities.
 (more)
 http://tinyurl.com/ypxd79

http://chronicle.com/news/index.php?id=4134utm_source=pmutm_medium=en
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
So is a banana split integrated?  



--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll give you a different example.  What color is a
 yellow banana?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies 
 and Transparency
 
 
  The syntax of your last sentence is not entirely
  transparent to me. Please clarify.
 
 
 
  --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
  Homogenous means -same throughout- and is always
  clear though it may have color. This is because
  compounds in such mixtures are perfectly
 integrated.
  Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as in
  the whitish color of particles in milk. They may
 be
  well suspended, but they still stand out.
 
  Thus transparency is a feature of true
 integration.
  Heterogeneous solutions will show different
 mixtures
  at different spots. Thus ambivalence.
 
  We could use these two analogies to decide
 whether a
  person or group of either  spiritual or political
  entities is integral or merely appropriating.
 
  Someone of integrity is transparent because
  homogeneous in their ethics, ontology,
 epistimology.
  Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem
 to
  be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
  almost a truism that the more someone seems like
  something the less they are that.
 
  It is almost certain that the most integrated
 people
  cannot be discerned in any possible way being
 most
  transparent. It stands to reason.
 
  Okay, now you try it, look around and see.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor

2008-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
How do you like being referred to as a Kraut?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think it's probably a case of tit for tat.  America
 does not recognize several kinds of degrees from
 foreign universities.  And in the case of a Ph.D. the
 requirements are quite different in the two countries.
  In the U.S. a doctoral dissertation is required.  In
 Germany, a doctoral dissertation and a second work of
 bigger proportions are required.  The second work is
 the so-called Habilitationsschrift.  T
 --- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The letter that Ian T. Baldwin, director of a
  prestigious research 
  institute in Jena, Germany, received on January 9
  from the Thuringian 
  state police informed him that he was being charged
  with a crime. The 
  letter was straightforward enough, but the crime was
  bafflingly obscure.
  
  It said I was being charged with Missbrauchs von
  Titeln, or misuse of 
  title, and that I had to appear at the police
  station, Mr. Baldwin 
  said today by telephone. I looked up on the Web
  what Missbrauchs von 
  Titeln meant. It's used for people who impersonate
  police officers. If 
  convicted, Mr. Baldwin, who directs the Max Planck
  Institute for 
  Chemical Ecology, could face a hefty fine and as
  much as a year in jail.
  
  Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law governing
  the use of academic 
  titles, was to assume that his doctorate from
  Cornell University 
  entitled him to call himself Doctor in Germany.
  The honorific, 
  apparently, is reserved for recipients of doctoral
  degrees from German 
  universities.
  (more)
  http://tinyurl.com/ypxd79
 
 http://chronicle.com/news/index.php?
id=4134utm_source=pmutm_medium=en
  
  
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
You didn't answer my question. It's all in your perspective. Because yellow 
is the one color a yellow banana reflects thus it absorbs all other colors. 
Therefore a yellow banana is any color other than yellow.

- Original Message - 
From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies 
and Transparency


 So is a banana split integrated?



 --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll give you a different example.  What color is a
 yellow banana?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies
 and Transparency


  The syntax of your last sentence is not entirely
  transparent to me. Please clarify.
 
 
 
  --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
  Homogenous means -same throughout- and is always
  clear though it may have color. This is because
  compounds in such mixtures are perfectly
 integrated.
  Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as in
  the whitish color of particles in milk. They may
 be
  well suspended, but they still stand out.
 
  Thus transparency is a feature of true
 integration.
  Heterogeneous solutions will show different
 mixtures
  at different spots. Thus ambivalence.
 
  We could use these two analogies to decide
 whether a
  person or group of either  spiritual or political
  entities is integral or merely appropriating.
 
  Someone of integrity is transparent because
  homogeneous in their ethics, ontology,
 epistimology.
  Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem
 to
  be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
  almost a truism that the more someone seems like
  something the less they are that.
 
  It is almost certain that the most integrated
 people
  cannot be discerned in any possible way being
 most
  transparent. It stands to reason.
 
  Okay, now you try it, look around and see.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Barack= Inspiring, Clear, Righteous/ Hillary...Not'

2008-03-12 Thread Robert
  It has very little to do with being black.
  It has to do with hitting the right tone, at the right time.
  The Beatles were like that- they hit the right tone, at the right time.
  He has something called natural God-given talent.
  That's what wins- talent, talent, talent..
  Don't you get it Geraldine- you have little talent, and less perception.
  Just like Hillary, you are more of a Lieutenant , than a General.
  It's like comparing George Washington to George Bush...
  Their George's and their both White
   
  Robert Gimbel   Seattle, Washington   2008
   
  

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[FairfieldLife] Sig Raja ! ! ! (Re:Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor)

2008-03-12 Thread Duveyoung
H, isn't Kraut considered perjorative these days?

I think it is about as offensive as, say, wop, and not quite as
offensive as, say, slope.  I guess it's only a little worse than 
calling a French person a frog or a Brit limey, but, don't know,
seems that Kraut is a titch more baddish enough to be wary about its
causal use.  Correlatively, I could call almost anyone a frog, limey,
but when I get to a word that the people themselves use like canuck
then I get confused as to whether I could use that word in polite
company in Canada.  

With my Jewish friends, I have sometimes used the word Jew with not
quite right a tone in my voice and gotten heat for it.  Live N
Learn, eh?

I'm not thinking Bob used the word with any negative intent, honest,
but if a certain other person had posted with Kraut in the title,
I'd probably be slavering about it for at least ten over-the-top
demonizations, eh, but Bob gets a free pass from me.  Sigh.

I wonder what the laws in Germany are regarding calling oneself a Raja? 

Rajas and Aryans and Master Race, oh my.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The letter that Ian T. Baldwin, director of a prestigious research 
 institute in Jena, Germany, received on January 9 from the Thuringian 
 state police informed him that he was being charged with a crime. The 
 letter was straightforward enough, but the crime was bafflingly obscure.
 
 It said I was being charged with Missbrauchs von Titeln, or misuse of 
 title, and that I had to appear at the police station, Mr. Baldwin 
 said today by telephone. I looked up on the Web what Missbrauchs von 
 Titeln meant. It's used for people who impersonate police officers. If 
 convicted, Mr. Baldwin, who directs the Max Planck Institute for 
 Chemical Ecology, could face a hefty fine and as much as a year in jail.
 
 Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law governing the use of academic 
 titles, was to assume that his doctorate from Cornell University 
 entitled him to call himself Doctor in Germany. The honorific, 
 apparently, is reserved for recipients of doctoral degrees from German 
 universities.
 (more)
 http://tinyurl.com/ypxd79
 http://chronicle.com/news/index.php?id=4134utm_source=pmutm_medium=en





Re: [FairfieldLife] Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor

2008-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:05 PM, bob_brigante wrote:


Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law governing the use of
academic titles, was to assume that his doctorate from Cornell  
University entitled him to call himself Doctor in Germany.

The honorific, apparently, is reserved for recipients of
doctoral degrees from German universities.


I wonder what they'd think of all the phony honorary docs that have  
come from MUM.


Sal




Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Kirk
So let me ask you another simple question - what keeps a plane in the air?


- Original Message - 
From: Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies 
and Transparency


 You didn't answer my question. It's all in your perspective. Because 
 yellow
 is the one color a yellow banana reflects thus it absorbs all other 
 colors.
 Therefore a yellow banana is any color other than yellow.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies
 and Transparency


 So is a banana split integrated?



 --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll give you a different example.  What color is a
 yellow banana?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies
 and Transparency


  The syntax of your last sentence is not entirely
  transparent to me. Please clarify.
 
 
 
  --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
  Homogenous means -same throughout- and is always
  clear though it may have color. This is because
  compounds in such mixtures are perfectly
 integrated.
  Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as in
  the whitish color of particles in milk. They may
 be
  well suspended, but they still stand out.
 
  Thus transparency is a feature of true
 integration.
  Heterogeneous solutions will show different
 mixtures
  at different spots. Thus ambivalence.
 
  We could use these two analogies to decide
 whether a
  person or group of either  spiritual or political
  entities is integral or merely appropriating.
 
  Someone of integrity is transparent because
  homogeneous in their ethics, ontology,
 epistimology.
  Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may seem
 to
  be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
  almost a truism that the more someone seems like
  something the less they are that.
 
  It is almost certain that the most integrated
 people
  cannot be discerned in any possible way being
 most
  transparent. It stands to reason.
 
  Okay, now you try it, look around and see.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread Tom
Wow! Right on the money Kirk. It appears you know just what I'm talking about. 
Lucky's  a 
very dignified creature who has seen much. I have a lot of respect for folks 
who do 
animal rescue. Every pet I have had has seemed to find me thru some rescue 
outfit. Go 
figure.. 

Lots of synchronicity going on with that link you provided. I find it best to 
never ignore 
serendipity as my experiences with it are unfailingly positive and often 
constructively life 
changing.

 I drive thru the area they dwell regularly, most commonly in summer, on my way 
to the 
Mogollon Rim and the White Mountains when I need to cool off and work on my fly 
fishing sutras. It is an especially beautiful valley with about 5x the rainfall 
of the lower 
desert. Last time I stopped, it was to eat at Alice's Restaurant. Seriously.

 I have also, lately, felt an impulse to learn Mindfullness meditation and am 
set to receive 
my first instructions later in the month. I would feel privileged should my 
travels cross 
Kunzang and Lucky.

Thanks. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Check this dog out
 http://fromdakinivalley.blogspot.com/2007/12/bag-ladies.html
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies 
 to my inquiries about TM tech
 
 
  Often a stranger remarked he looks contemplative.
 
  Greyhounds do have a stillness vibe.  They are remarkably calm, almost
  as still as a cat. Whatever creature you hang out with must affect at
  least your mood.  I grew up with a monkey when I was a kid, so I guess
  the effects can be pretty long term!
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom azgrey@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   On Behalf Of Stu
   Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:26 PM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your
  replies
   to my inquiries about TM tech
  
  
  
   The best test: Give the practice a shot.  Try using Om for a week.
  
   I've been meditating with an OM mantra for about 5 years.
  
   Meditate in the sun or with a pet.
  
   There's often a cat or dog on the bed with me.
  
 
 
 
  Many a time my 3 greyhounds sat in my meditation room with me before
  they met mahasamadhi. I often wondered if they were mooching prana
  just kidding as they each lived to 15. Quite old for such a large
  breed. Once I got the 96 pound male clear that he should not try and
  sit on my lap while I meditated, all was good. Subjectively, some of
  my deepest experiences were with them in the room. A raised eyebrow,
  gentle snore, or a soft smile often indicated they were probably
  further on the path that I. Not sure of all breeds, but some
  greyhounds can definitely smile. Kinda unnerving if you had never seen
  it before. All anthropomorphism aside, one was  unequivocally an old
  soul. Often a stranger remarked he looks contemplative. The old Lama
  would never interrupt my meditation.  Having had scores of pets
  including pigeons, a goat, horses, and a pig, that greyhound was the
  only one that seemed to have clearly been here before...perhaps many
  times.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread Tom
It is interesting you picked up on that stillness. Many folks who have only 
seen them at 
race tracks, muzzled and ready to do what 2 or 3 thousand years of breeding has 
prepared them for, presume they are hyper nervous drooling pupil dilated 
chaseafugginrabbitat45milesanhour  beasts who would me impossible to to control.

 The broad effort at placement in homes over the last 20 or so years has 
somewhat 
changed that impression. The largest of the 3 main adoption outfits here has 
placed 500 
dogs a year for the better part of 2 decades.  As they are sprinters not long 
distance 
runners, they require a surprising little amount of exercise. Its kinda cool 
seeing a world 
class athlete that wants to spend 90% of the time laying on the couch. When 
they go from 
the stressed world of the track to a home, the transformation is remarkable.   

They are, in many ways, quite feline. Lazy. Imperturbable. Sometimes sneaky. 
Quiet and 
rarely bark. Not what I would call the smartest breed I've been around, but 
extremely 
intuitive. That mood thing goes both ways. They tend to be very sensitive to 
the mood of 
the person they are with. Don't immediately give unconditional trust like most 
dogs. Their 
trust must be earned.once accomplished, often quickly, it lasts till the 
heart stops 
beating.  

Your monkey must have been a very talented one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Often a stranger remarked he looks contemplative.
 
 Greyhounds do have a stillness vibe.  They are remarkably calm, almost
 as still as a cat. Whatever creature you hang out with must affect at
 least your mood.  I grew up with a monkey when I was a kid, so I guess
 the effects can be pretty long term! 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus other rajas and leaders of TM movement

2008-03-12 Thread Tom
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://tinyurl.com/38tm9g
 
 An iSkin? Sounds like a new brand of condom. 
 
 I guess in a way it is: Practice safe ranting;
 sheath your weapon.  :-)
 
  I wonder what happened to Ruth. Hope she just is just busy with 
  work and life and that the negativity her last posts were met 
  with did not chase her away. 
 
 Indeed. I suspect that the tendency here to damn 
 the individual because one doesn't agree with what
 they are saying is a bit of a shocker.
 
  She has a good heart and  great spirit and added to
  this board.
 
 Indeed.



A perusal of the archives indicates she would not be the first. Message boards 
can be a 
bit rough. Common civility is lost easily. I must admit restraining myself from 
lashing out 
and asking if a poster had skipped taking court ordered meds. I would think 
less of 
myself if I should. Now, tellin someone to GFY is different.just kiddin
 
Vaj and Judy seem to have different perspectives on her returning...among other 
things. 
grin
The note Vaj posted makes perfect sense. She is a professional in her field who 
was often 
kneecapped here by people that could learn a lot by listening. Questioning 
integrity was 
poison in her world. Thoughtlessness and malice has a cost. It is rare to have 
a 
knowledge resource such as her, with humanness, on a board like this.








[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bhairitu on OM, was: Your replies to my inquiries about TM tech

2008-03-12 Thread Tom
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you still practice the siddhis Rick?
 
 No. I'm open to giving them a try again someday, but I haven't done them for
 about 5 years now. I'd rather just meditate.


Interesting. Thanks for the reply. I haven't done them since the millennium. 
Experiences in 
program were clear and good, but what I carried into day to day life was 
increasingly not 
comfortable. Very powerful stuff. I too prefer meditation but may give them a 
try again. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna

2008-03-12 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 from geocities.  Comparing this experience to the statements of MMY, 
 my conclusion is that Ramakrishna's experience is a case of a lack of 
 integration.:
 
 
 State Of Samadhi in the Life of Sri Ramakrishna 
 
 During the sadhana of Vedanta, Sri Ramakrishna tried to transcend all 
 the limitations of body-mind duality. Under the guidance of his 
 teacher - Tota Puri - Sri Ramakrishna took to the practice with 
 intense zeal and determination that knew no bounds. When the 
 effulgent form of Mother obstructed his entry into the realm of 
 superconscious state, he put an end to it with the 'sword of 
 discrimination'. He went into a state of highest nondual 
 consciousness and was established in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Continuously 
 for three days Sri Ramakrishna was lost in that state, sitting like a 
 stone - lifeless to outer world and stimuli. His face was calm, 
 serene, and radiant. A doctor examined the functions of his heart and 
 lungs, but he was dead like a wood to the external stimuli. After 
 three days he gradually regained his normal consciousness. Afterwards 
 Sri Ramakrishna was in state of samadhi continuously for six months. 
 *
 We intently watched Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in samadhi. His 
 whole body relaxed and then became slightly rigid. There was no 
 twitching of the muscles or the nerves, no movement of any limb. Both 
 his hands lay in his lap with the fingers lightly interlocked. The 
 sitting posture of the body was easy but absolutely motionless. The 
 face was slightly tilted up and in repose. The eyes were nearly but 
 not wholly closed. The eyeballs were not turned up or otherwise 
 deflected, but they were fixed and conveyed no message of outer 
 objects to the brain. The lips were parted in a beatific and 
 indescribable smile. There was something in that wonderful smile 
 which no photograph was ever able to reproduce. 
 *
 In the state of samadhi the master's body was bent on one side and 
 therefore the cameraman went to make him sit erect by softly 
 adjusting his chin. But as soon as he touched the chin the whole body 
 of the Master came up like a piece of paper - so light it was. The 
 Master was completely unaware of this incidence. Swami Nirvanananda 
 said that he had heard that people experiencing samadhi of a certain 
 type or depth generally do become light.


What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto
his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true
transcendental consciousness or Samadhi.  Unlike many meditators who
fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that
successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly
merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word!





[FairfieldLife] MMY defines Cosmic Consciousness. as Ultimate Supreme Reality.

2008-03-12 Thread BillyG.
Soon he arrived at the Heatless Smokeless Effulgent of the Self and
realized the Divine Truth, the Cosmic Consciousness, the Ultimate
Supreme Reality, Sat Chit Anandam, the Nirvana. Love and God MMY

This is relevant because most schools of Yoga refer to the opening of
the seventh chakra as Cosmic Consciousness, (the highest Nirvikalpa
Samadhi) so this is consistent with them. However, later on, MMY
changed the definition to CC, GC, and then UC, and turned everything
on its head!

MMY should have remained faithful to the then established standard of
CC being the highest human attainment. Under MMY's system Self
Realization, which actually occurs with the opening of the 6th Ajna
chakra (not the highest), is already called Cosmic Consciousness!
which doesn't actually occur in classical Yoga until the opening of
the 7th which MMY now calls Unity!; just more confusion that's all!

P.S. No wonder his Gita is confusing vis-a-vis the higher states of
consciousness, where he 'takes liberty' with the established patterns.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krauts bar American Ph.D.'s From Calling Themselves Doctor

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
The word itself is neutral to me.  The intention of
the speaker gives it its coloration.  When I call my
brother-in-law a nigger, it's a term of endearment,
and we both know it.  But there are people who'd get
their heads kicked in if they called him that. a

  
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do you like being referred to as a Kraut?
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I think it's probably a case of tit for tat. 
 America
  does not recognize several kinds of degrees from
  foreign universities.  And in the case of a Ph.D.
 the
  requirements are quite different in the two
 countries.
   In the U.S. a doctoral dissertation is required. 
 In
  Germany, a doctoral dissertation and a second work
 of
  bigger proportions are required.  The second work
 is
  the so-called Habilitationsschrift.  T
  --- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   The letter that Ian T. Baldwin, director of a
   prestigious research 
   institute in Jena, Germany, received on January
 9
   from the Thuringian 
   state police informed him that he was being
 charged
   with a crime. The 
   letter was straightforward enough, but the crime
 was
   bafflingly obscure.
   
   It said I was being charged with Missbrauchs
 von
   Titeln, or misuse of 
   title, and that I had to appear at the police
   station, Mr. Baldwin 
   said today by telephone. I looked up on the Web
   what Missbrauchs von 
   Titeln meant. It's used for people who
 impersonate
   police officers. If 
   convicted, Mr. Baldwin, who directs the Max
 Planck
   Institute for 
   Chemical Ecology, could face a hefty fine and as
   much as a year in jail.
   
   Mr. Baldwin's crime, under a Nazi-era law
 governing
   the use of academic 
   titles, was to assume that his doctorate from
   Cornell University 
   entitled him to call himself Doctor in
 Germany.
   The honorific, 
   apparently, is reserved for recipients of
 doctoral
   degrees from German 
   universities.
   (more)
   http://tinyurl.com/ypxd79
  
  http://chronicle.com/news/index.php?
 id=4134utm_source=pmutm_medium=en
   
   
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
Well, thanks bunches for enlightening me.


--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You didn't answer my question. It's all in your
 perspective. Because yellow 
 is the one color a yellow banana reflects thus it
 absorbs all other colors. 
 Therefore a yellow banana is any color other than
 yellow.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies 
 and Transparency
 
 
  So is a banana split integrated?
 
 
 
  --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'll give you a different example.  What color is
 a
  yellow banana?
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
  Homogeneous Philosophies
  and Transparency
 
 
   The syntax of your last sentence is not
 entirely
   transparent to me. Please clarify.
  
  
  
   --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
   Homogenous means -same throughout- and is
 always
   clear though it may have color. This is
 because
   compounds in such mixtures are perfectly
  integrated.
   Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such as
 in
   the whitish color of particles in milk. They
 may
  be
   well suspended, but they still stand out.
  
   Thus transparency is a feature of true
  integration.
   Heterogeneous solutions will show different
  mixtures
   at different spots. Thus ambivalence.
  
   We could use these two analogies to decide
  whether a
   person or group of either  spiritual or
 political
   entities is integral or merely appropriating.
  
   Someone of integrity is transparent because
   homogeneous in their ethics, ontology,
  epistimology.
   Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may
 seem
  to
   be something and yet they aren't. In fact it's
   almost a truism that the more someone seems
 like
   something the less they are that.
  
   It is almost certain that the most integrated
  people
   cannot be discerned in any possible way being
  most
   transparent. It stands to reason.
  
   Okay, now you try it, look around and see.
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus Homogeneous Philosophies and Transparency

2008-03-12 Thread Angela Mailander
Air
--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So let me ask you another simple question - what
 keeps a plane in the air?
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies 
 and Transparency
 
 
  You didn't answer my question. It's all in your
 perspective. Because 
  yellow
  is the one color a yellow banana reflects thus it
 absorbs all other 
  colors.
  Therefore a yellow banana is any color other than
 yellow.
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous Versus
 Homogeneous Philosophies
  and Transparency
 
 
  So is a banana split integrated?
 
 
 
  --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'll give you a different example.  What color
 is a
  yellow banana?
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heterogeneous
 Versus
  Homogeneous Philosophies
  and Transparency
 
 
   The syntax of your last sentence is not
 entirely
   transparent to me. Please clarify.
  
  
  
   --- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Homogenized milk is actually heterogeneous.
   Homogenous means -same throughout- and is
 always
   clear though it may have color. This is
 because
   compounds in such mixtures are perfectly
  integrated.
   Heterogeneous mixtures show compounds, such
 as in
   the whitish color of particles in milk. They
 may
  be
   well suspended, but they still stand out.
  
   Thus transparency is a feature of true
  integration.
   Heterogeneous solutions will show different
  mixtures
   at different spots. Thus ambivalence.
  
   We could use these two analogies to decide
  whether a
   person or group of either  spiritual or
 political
   entities is integral or merely appropriating.
  
   Someone of integrity is transparent because
   homogeneous in their ethics, ontology,
  epistimology.
   Someone else, like in homogenized milk, may
 seem
  to
   be something and yet they aren't. In fact
 it's
   almost a truism that the more someone seems
 like
   something the less they are that.
  
   It is almost certain that the most integrated
  people
   cannot be discerned in any possible way being
  most
   transparent. It stands to reason.
  
   Okay, now you try it, look around and see.
  
  
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