[FairfieldLife] 'Reagan's Republican Legacy: Divided City in Flat land'
President Clinton warns of growing polarization PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Former President Bill Clinton warned Saturday that the country is becoming increasingly polarized despite the historic nature of the Democratic primary. Speaking at the National Governors Association's semiannual meeting, Clinton noted that on the one hand, following the early stages of the Democratic primary, the surviving candidates were an African-American man and a woman. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, battled for the Democratic nomination into June with fellow Democrat Barack Obama, son of a white mother and black father. But this achievement was overshadowed by a growing distance between Americans, said Clinton. Underneath this apparent accommodation to our diversity, we are in fact hunkering down in communities of like-mindedness, and it affects our ability to manage difference, Clinton said. Clinton developed his 44-minute speech from themes he said he drew from a new book, The Big Sort, by Bill Bishop. He cited statistics compiled by Bishop that found that in the 1976 presidential election, only 20 percent of the nation's counties voted for Jimmy Carter or President Ford by more than a 20 percent margin. By contrast, 48 percent of the nation's counties in 2004 voted for John Kerry or President Bush by more than 20 points, Clinton said. We were sorting ourselves out by choosing to live with people that we agree with, Clinton said. Clinton has often meshed big picture admonitions with new books whose ideas he admires. He drew similar conclusions in 2000 following the publication of Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone, on the decline of civic engagement in the United States. Among the approximately two dozen active governors in attendance Saturday were some of the 11 who backed Obama over Hillary Rodham Clinton. Gov. Timothy Kaine of Virginia said he wasn't worried about how President Clinton might view his support for Obama. We're human beings, too, so there are feelings, but we understand this is a team sport, and we come back together as a team, Kaine said. After weeks of not speaking to each other, Obama last month reached out to President Clinton and asked him for help winning the White House. Clinton had portrayed Obama as too inexperienced to be president. Clinton concluded his speech by reminding governors, who are marking the association's centennial, that the issues they face today are similar to problems President Teddy Roosevelt grappled with a century ago. Those include inequality among rich and poor, immigration and energy policy. If those issues are dealt with, We're about to go into the most exciting period of human history, Clinton said. If we don't, in the words of President Roosevelt, dark will be the future, he said. I'm betting on light—I hope you are, too. Jul 12 06:38 PM US/Eastern By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS Associated Press Writer
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I stumbled upon this news story about Madonna and couldn't help but think of our very own Nabby. Madonna sounds like a real TBer, just like Nabby. * Madonna is a twofer, Kabbalah and TM: This remarkable book takes you behind-the-scenes in the extraordinary life of Nancy deHerrera. The loss of her soulmate was the impetus for a lifelong spiritual journey. Nancy served as the right hand person to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the sixties and became one of the first U.S. meditation teachers. She shares stories from her days in Rishikesh at the Ashram where she was liasion to John Lennon, George Harrison, Paul McCartney and other stars. Her meditation students included Greta Garbo, heiress Doris Duke, Madonna, Sheryl Crow and thousands of others. http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 I highly doubt that Madonna, initiated by that perennial name-dropper Nancy de Herrera (she drops names even more than Barry Wright does), continued her TM practise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Dang! Which one is Bob Marley? It would have been alot cuter had the photo of Rick Archer turned out (he's the one on the left). Before facial hair: MeInGoodhill.jpg After facial hair: rick_archer.jpg Alas, your photos didn't turn out either, Rick. I find that sometimes the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) composer will paste photos and sometimes they don't...and, frustratingly, the Preview function will show the photo that doesn't get shown. I had copied and pasted the photo of you from FFL's Photos section...you'd think that of all places to copy a photo from that something inside the Yahoo! Groups area would easily copy and paste...but no...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama Alert'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Do me a favor and forward any and all opposition mailings, lies and fear-mongering propaganda to: watchdog (at) barackobama.com This is a nonsense filtering service of the Obama campaign, The fight is not over. http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/ is committed to getting Hillary as the party's nominee. Apparently, the rules of the DNC are clear: pledged Obama delegates do not have to vote for him, even on the first ballot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I stumbled upon this news story about Madonna and couldn't help but think of our very own Nabby. Madonna sounds like a real TBer, just like Nabby. * Madonna is a twofer, Kabbalah and TM: This remarkable book takes you behind-the-scenes in the extraordinary life of Nancy deHerrera. The loss of her soulmate was the impetus for a lifelong spiritual journey. Nancy served as the right hand person to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the sixties and became one of the first U.S.meditation teachers. She shares stories from her days in Rishikesh at the Ashram where she was liasion to John Lennon, George Harrison, Paul McCartney and other stars. Her meditation students included Greta Garbo,heiress Doris Duke, Madonna, Sheryl Crow and thousands of others. http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 I've met Nancy, and have to say that I have never met a more self-absorbed, self-promoting, spoiled rich bitch of a woman in my entire life. Almost the entirety of the promo blurb above is false. She wasn't Maharishi's right-hand person at Rishikesh; she attended the same course the Beatles were on, and left during the middle to go on a tiger hunt with her son (see the Beatles' Bungalo Bill). She never taught TM full time, preferring only to work with rich people like her- self, and probably taught closer to a hundred people total, not thousands, before she left the TMO and decided to become a self-promoting author. As for Madonna being a TMer, that's like saying that Kurt Cobain was a TMer. As I heard it from a TM teacher in Seattle, he did learn TM once, but practiced it only for a few days, long before he got what he is better remembered for -- heroin and suicide. Just as Madonna probably practiced it for a few days before she got into next fad. Bob is doing in his post *exactly* what Nancy is doing in her promo blurb -- attempting to feel more important through association with famous people. He is literally doing the same thing Madonna does in the article, trying to sit next to the Bergs. But to me this form of self- delusion is more forgivable in an author trying to her book sound worth buying than in a person trying to make his TB point of view sound worth believing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) TV producers understand the psychology of the American public: A former advertising copywriter, he sees Law and Order as a brand. He tells his writers that the series should be like Campbell's Soup: (snip) So, therefore, the Mr. Mrs. John Q. American will play it safe and vote for McDonald's as President... I mean McCain, sorry... My observation is the extreme shift of the American consciousness, so that this brand of 'Law and Order' is failing. It's a good metaphore for what is happening. The old 'laws and orders' are not working because they are mostly built on lies, and the old power structure is collapsing fast. There is only one vision for America at this point, which make sense. President Obama is that vision. And which vision is that, pray tell, because no one knows since he's flip-flopped on virtually every significant issue. Some will say he hasn't gone to the center on many of those issues but the center- right!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dog days of summer are upon us as nobody got excited enough to over post last week. Here's today's gab stats: Yahoo Groups Post Counter = Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 12 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 19 00:00:00 2008 -- Searching... 64 messages as of (UTC) Sat Jul 12 23:52:33 2008 Member Posts nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 For the record, Nabby's 9 posts yesterday were brought to you by the Maharishi And Only Maharishi Knows The Truth Except For Maybe Benjamin Creme And Me foundation. They hope to see you at their upcoming Gurupurnima cele- bration and heretic hunt. BYOB. (Bring Your Own Bonfire.) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) Well, satyam eva jayate?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyameva_Jayate
[FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ This is where Nabby goes silent. Contronted with irrefutable evidence that he doesn't want to see, he does the ostrich thing. (I haven't looked ahead) That link doesn't work, I have no idea what you are talking about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) Well, satyam eva jayate?? Possibly. How would Truth alone remains read ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The
Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner
running
across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something
like Only truth will remain
(Cardemaister might fill in the details.)
Well, satyam eva jayate??
Possibly. How would Truth alone remains read ?
I'm not used to translate *into* Sanskrit. Furthermore,
there are prolly lots of possible verbs for 'remain'
in Sanskrit. One would be 'gAdh':
17 gAdh (cf. %{gAh}) cl. 1. A1. %{-dhate} , to stand firmly , stay
, remain Dha1tup. ii , 3 ; to set out for (acc.) Bhat2t2. viii , 1 ;
xxii , 2 ; to desire (cf. %{gardh}) Dha1tup. ; to compile , string
together ib.
I guess your sentence, using 'gAdh', would be:
satyam eva gaadhate.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:35 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus Alas, your photos didn't turn out either, Rick. I find that sometimes the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) composer will paste photos and sometimes they don't...and, frustratingly, the Preview function will show the photo that doesn't get shown. I had copied and pasted the photo of you from FFL's Photos section...you'd think that of all places to copy a photo from that something inside the Yahoo! Groups area would easily copy and paste...but no... I tried doing it with rich text editor, but couldn't get anything to paste in, so I used the insert photo menu item in Outlook, and they pasted in fine, but obviously didn't show up in the post. Another thing that happens is that many of my posts, sent with Outlook, go out as html but come back as plain text. Others don't. No idea why.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby
--- On Sun, 7/13/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 2:32 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I stumbled upon this news story about Madonna and couldn't help but think of our very own Nabby. Madonna sounds like a real TBer, just like Nabby. * Madonna is a twofer, Kabbalah and TM: This remarkable book takes you behind-the-scenes in the extraordinary life of Nancy deHerrera. The loss of her soulmate was the impetus for a lifelong spiritual journey. Nancy served as the right hand person to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the sixties and became one of the first U.S. meditation teachers. She shares stories from her days in Rishikesh at the Ashram where she was liasion to John Lennon, George Harrison, Paul McCartney and other stars. Her meditation students included Greta Garbo, heiress Doris Duke, Madonna, Sheryl Crow and thousands of others. http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 http://tinyurl.com/5q58y5 I highly doubt that Madonna, initiated by that perennial name-dropper Nancy de Herrera (she drops names even more than Barry Wright does), continued her TM practise. Does anyone here actually know Nancy de Herra? Or did Rick Photoshop her into the internet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: DNA Activation Repair via New Sound Frequencies
Meant to follow up on this with members that had asked me about this. Sorry I didnt get back to you much sooner, was called away for the last few months on pressing family stuff. Since last posting, a lot of interesting accoutns have been coming in. You might want to want to review postings of what others are experiencing you can check this out here; http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/the_sound_of_stars/ Re: DNA Activation Repair via New Sound Frequencie DNA Activation Repair via New Sound Frequencies Hi Folks! New member here, wanted to say hi, introduce myself and also share a bit on what I have been working on. My name is Donald Adams, I'm a scientific researcher. Been working on a project for the last 7 years, a significant spin off of which has resulted in the novel discovery of new curious sound frequencies which appear to be able to possibly affect DNA. Specifically, I strongly suspect both activation and repair may be possible. I have a test group of approximately 600 volunteers. Many of which have been reporting all kinds of positive and dramatic phenomena related to regeneration, healing, well being. and I do mean dramatic. I'd be happy to provide more information on this and even give anyone samples of these audio frequencies to experiment with if their interested? I could post a link to the group, but not sure of what the protocol for that sort of thing is here as Im still new. if you would like top get access to these frequencies. They are in the form of MP3 files and can be easily played on your computer and you can burn them to CD and play them on your car stereo or whatever. I would appreciate any feedback and observations that you have if you use them as that is helpful to me in my research. I've gotten a lot of response to date and its very encouraging but a bit overwhelming at times to stay on top of. I want to point out to, right off the bat, that I'm not a medical professional and am not qualified to treat or diagnose anything medically. If you want to join our volunteer group and start experimenting with these frequencies, I would ask that you read and agree to my disclaimer that basically says you know I have said in advance I'm not a doctor, that sort of thing. You can experimentation by simply emailing me at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] dna_frequencies%40aweber.com I can send you back a link on your request to fill in the disclaimer form and then the download link you need to get started if you would like. Looking forward to out mutual future discussions! Very Best Regards D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't winron Pauls vision is better
In a message dated 7/13/2008 2:40:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) TV producers understand the psychology of the American public: A former advertising copywriter, he sees Law and Order as a brand. He tells his writers that the series should be like Campbell's Soup: (snip) So, therefore, the Mr. Mrs. John Q. American will play it safe and vote for McDonald's as President... I mean McCain, sorry... My observation is the extreme shift of the American consciousness, so that this brand of 'Law and Order' is failing. It's a good metaphore for what is happening. The old 'laws and orders' are not working because they are mostly built on lies, and the old power structure is collapsing fast. There is only one vision for America at this point, which make sense. President Obama is that vision. And which vision is that, pray tell, because no one knows since he's flip-flopped on virtually every significant issue. Some will say he hasn't gone to the center on many of those issues but the center- right! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone here actually know Nancy de Herra? Or did Rick Photoshop her into the internet? I met her only once, sometime in 1969, and as I said earlier, I was more than a little underwhelmed. I had set up a course to be held at the U. of Oregon in Eugene, and the person they sent up to teach it was Nancy Cooke (no Herrera at that point). I think she requested it because her son Rick was going to school there, and she wanted to visit him. I was used to Jerry Jarvis and Pete Portz and Paul Horn and the 1015 Gayley crew of initiators, so Nancy was a bit of a shock. She was L.A. rich bitch flash to the max. She'd made her money the old fashioned way, by marrying it, and she had a tendency to treat the little people she'd left behind *by* marrying it like dirt. On the basis of Squaw Valley 1968, my girlfriend and I had done a few informal intro talks on campus. That plus all the publicity at the time had contributed to a fairly large number of people ready to start TM, and just waiting for a teacher. In the official intro lecture, over half of them took one look at Nancy Cooke and how she handled herself and bolted for the door, never to be seen again. Rick Cooke turned out to be a nice enough guy, although a bit thick as I remember. For example, he had never figured out that Bungalo Bill was a dig. He actually bragged about it being about him. But you can tell that Nancy herself did not make the most favorable impression on me. Never met her since, so she might have turned into a nice person for all I know. And monkeys could fly out of my butt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
Damn! I've got to re-work my whole mood-making thing now. --- On Sat, 7/12/08, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 11:03 PM (note: KS differs from WillyTex's false Neo-Advaita; which btw has nothing to do with MMY's version of reality per SBAL. The Neo-Advaitins and Advaita Vedantists say the world is an illusion but Kashmir Saivism has the story right: The world is not an illusion but rather the perception of duality is illusion; actually the false perception of duality; i.e. thinking that the rope is a snake). from Wiki: Among the various Hindu philosophies, Kaœmir Œaivism is a school of Œaivism categorized by various scholars as monistic[1] idealism (absolute idealism, theistic monism[2], realistic idealism[3], transcendental physicalism or concrete monism[4]). These descriptors denote a standpoint that Cit - consciousness - is the one reality. Matter is not separated from consciousness, but rather identical to it. There is no gap between God and the world. The world is not an illusion (as in Advaita Vedanta), rather the perception of duality is the illusion. Kashmir Shaivism arose during the eighth[5] or ninth century CE.[6][7] in Kashmir and made significant strides, both philosophical and theological, until the end of the twelfth century CE[8]. Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:16 PM, feste37 wrote: I missed you and your merry quips. Aww, thanks, feste. I'm back! Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus
On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I tried doing it with rich text editor, but couldn’t get anything to paste in, so I used the insert photo menu item in Outlook, and they pasted in fine, but obviously didn’t show up in the post. Another thing that happens is that many of my posts, sent with Outlook, go out as html but come back as plain text. Others don’t. No idea why. It's your karma, Rick--face it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:16 PM, feste37 wrote: I missed you and your merry quips. Aww, thanks, feste. I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. You consistently score higher in merry quips, too. How were things out there in the Bardo? Is there life between FFL posting periods, or is it just blackness? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
(note: KS differs from WillyTex's false Neo-Advaita; which btw has nothing to do with MMY's version of reality per SBAL. So, you're saying that SBAL has nothing to do with Kashmere Shaivism and MMY had nothing to say about Kashmere Shaivism in SBAL. And that 'Willytex's' version is Kashmere Shaivism is 'Neo-Adwaita.' But, from what I've read, the Marshy taught all the current students of Kashmere Shaivism how to meditate and their guru, the Swami Laksmanjoo, was a great friend of the Marshy. Go figure. Read more: 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm The Neo-Advaitins and Advaita Vedantists say the world is an illusion Do they? Actually, they say that the world is not real, yet not unreal. It's real as long as you are in the dream, but it's an unreal world when you wake up to the transcendental cosciousness. That's not exactly like an illusion, which is unreal. but Kashmir Saivism has the story right: The world is not an illusion but rather the perception of duality is illusion; actually the false perception of duality; i.e. thinking that the rope is a snake). The 'snake/rope' illusion story comes from the founder of Adwaita Vedanta tradition, Gaudapadacharya. Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada from Wiki: Among the various Hindu philosophies, Kamir aivism is a school of aivism categorized by various scholars as monistic[1] idealism (absolute idealism, theistic monism[2], realistic idealism [3], transcendental physicalism or concrete monism [4]). These descriptors denote a standpoint that Cit - consciousness - is the one reality. So, you're saying that 'consciousness', 'Cit', is the One reality. But that's what I've been saying for months! Matter is not separated from consciousness, but rather identical to it. There is no gap between God and the world. The world is not an illusion (as in Advaita Vedanta), rather the perception of duality is the illusion. Apparently there are some differences between Adwaita Vedanta and Kashmere Shaivism. Althought both are monistic idealism, the Kashmere version has adopted several dualistic tendencies. The KS scriptures explain 'maya', not as 'illusion', but as the Shiva-Shakti polarity. Kashmir Shaivism arose during the eighth[5] or ninth century CE.[6][7] in Kashmir and made significant strides, both philosophical and theological, until the end of the twelfth century CE[8]. Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra. From what I've read, the Adi Shankaracharya went up to Badrika in the Himalayas and after reaching enlightenment, he placed a Shri Yantra inside the Badrika temple at Jyotispeeth. On the yantra were inscribed the TM bija mantras. The Adi then went to the river and found the Buddha statue and placed it in the Badrika temple. Apparently the statue was a Buddha idol. Some scholars think that the ancient Badrika temple was previously a Buddhist pilgrimage shrine. This makes sense because the Badrika temple is the temple dedicated to the Badri tree, which grows in the vicinity. The Badri tree is the symbol of the tree of enlightenment, the Bodhi Tree. The statue in the Badrika temple is made of black stone and the diety sits in the full lotus pose. Then the Adi established the Jyotirmath, where he composed the 'Anandalahari', 'Dakshinamurti', 'Saunadaryalahari' and wrote commentaries Brahma Sutras of Badarayana, commentaries on the the major Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. After the Adi stayed as long as he wished, he went over to Kashmere and established the temple on Shankaracharya hill at the site of the Shalimar Gardens. He place a Shri Yantra in the temple and instructed all the desciples in Adwaita Vedanta. The Adi then went back to South India, to Karnataka and established the Sringeri temple, and placed a Shri Yantra in it as well. The Adi apparently placed a Shri Yantra at all the centers and seats of learning, except at Kanchi, which is a branch of the Sringeri matha. At Kanchipuram, the Adi made a nice jewelry set for the murti in the temple - a small pair of Shri Yantras in the form of earings. On the tiny earrings the Adi inscribed the TM bija mantras. This is according to the exponents of the Shankaracharya tradition. Apparently all the monistic Shankaracharyas worship the Shri Vidya whose symbol is the Shri Yantra. The Swami Brahmananda Saraswati used to have a really nice Shri Yantra, encrusted with rubies, according to Swami Rama of the Himalayas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
...the world is not an illusion. Peter wrote: Damn! I've got to re-work my whole mood-making thing now. Is that what you've been telling your patients - that the world is an illusion? What else have you been telling them - that alien abductions are real?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you're saying that 'consciousness', 'Cit', is the One reality. But that's what I've been saying for months! What the hell do you know, you're an illusion! Oh wait a second...damn...I'm an illusion too. Now what do we do?
[FairfieldLife] The new Maharishi Song
The new Maharishi Song? Link Bank Vault In Heaven Richard Thompson Got a bank vault in heaven, got my name on the door Every day I get richer, add a little bit more Come you tellers and lenders and lend me some more Got a bank vault in heaven and it's mine for evermore And the angels sing Fly, fly, fly The angels sing Fly, fly, fly Fly from the darkness that covers you all Fly to the sky where the only wall is infinity, infinity Going to shine down from heaven right into your room Take the minds of your children right off to the moon Every mud hut and igloo, every penthouse and farm I'll shine down from heaven and I'll do my snake-charm And the angels say Sing, sing, sing, Sing, sing, sing Oh the whole world is singing the same happy tune Something so low even hound dogs can croon to insanity, insanity Oh there's a signpost in heaven, in the firmament blue You can run to the wastelands, but it points straight at you I've got a bank vault in heaven, what joy will it bring All you Punchs and Judys, I'll be pulling your strings
[FairfieldLife] Why Obama Will Win
1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Jul 13, 2008, at 9:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Thanks, Barry! Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. You consistently score higher in merry quips, too. How were things out there in the Bardo? Is there life between FFL posting periods, or is it just blackness? :-) Evil as ever, and I love every minute of it. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Obama Will Win?or Ron Paul same reasone or Mc
Democrat screw ups not allowing drilling here 4 mnore oil1 2Economytoo much reguelation could goor B cut either way? 3 Who better to handle the war Ron or Biomb them to the stone age Bamma 2 Iraq or OPakistan ?? Prefer Ron or Jim to answer the phone @ 3 :00 AM Jim has done that well. 4 carpet is a none responded 2 non reason. In a message dated 7/13/2008 11:53:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great story for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Rick Cooke turned out to be a nice enough guy, although a bit thick as I remember. For example, he had never figured out that Bungalo Bill was a dig. He actually bragged about it being about him. But you can tell that Nancy herself did not make the most favorable impression on me. [snip] If the Beatles had written a song about me, even if it was negative, I would strut and brag about it to the end of my days. And in the grand scheme of things, the negativity -- about killing animals -- is of course only a dig if the speaker is holier than thou. And even Paul McCartney at that point wasn't a vegetarian, so for meat-eaters all to cast dispersions on someone for hunting isn't as bad as all that...I'll take the trade-off of having the Beatles write about me any of the eights days of the week. Lyrics to Bungalow Bill: Chorus x 2: Hey Bungalo Bill what did you kill bungalo bill He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and gun Incase of accidents he'd always take his mom Who's the all American bullet-headed Saxon mother's son. (All the children sing) *CHORUS Deep in the jungle where the mighty tiger lyes Bill and his elephants where taken by suprise So captain marvel zaped him right between th eyes (All the children sing) *CHORUS The children asked him if to kill was not a sin Not since he looked so fierce his mother buted in If looks could kill it would have been us instead of him (All the children sing) *CHORUS x 7 (whistling fades in as chorus begins to fade out)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. OffWorld The problem is that Obama is proving himself to be classic old school crap. The veneer of something new has quickly faded, especially since his revised Iraq policy is virtually identical to McCain's. I really don't care whether he gets elected or not...there are only two things that make me reticent about Obama at this point and the way things are going with his campaign, he's probably going to flip- flop on those also. One is the tax increases which may just be his adding the FICA tax on top of $250,000 in Adjusted Gross Income thing. The other is his Israel policy...I was afraid that he'd abandon Israel but since his appearance at AIPAC, he's been tripping over himself trying to outdo everybody in his support of Israel, so not too much to worry about there. Barack wants power and if being a good Republican is what is going to get him there, he should make an acceptable president. Of course, the real danger to his candidacy doesn't come from John McCain and the Republicans but from his own party. The Denver convention is gearing up to be a confrontation that will make Chicago in '68 look like a Ghandi rally...Hillary wants a roll call, her supporters want a roll call, and there's a movement afoot to get pledged Obama delegates to switch their votes...and it's really growing...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. OffWorld 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Trophy Indians
So are the pundits the Trophy Indians of the rich in Vedic City?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
On Jul 13, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: (note: KS differs from WillyTex's false Neo-Advaita; which btw has nothing to do with MMY's version of reality per SBAL. So, you're saying that SBAL has nothing to do with Kashmere Shaivism and MMY had nothing to say about Kashmere Shaivism in SBAL. And that 'Willytex's' version is Kashmere Shaivism is 'Neo-Adwaita.' But, from what I've read, the Marshy taught all the current students of Kashmere Shaivism how to meditate and their guru, the Swami Laksmanjoo, was a great friend of the Marshy. Go figure. Actually the real story is somewhat different. Swami Lakshman Joo was a guru of Mahesh's. According to Sw. Lakshman Joo, Mahesh literally begged Sw. L. to initiate him into the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. So he did. True to his nature, MMY shortly thereafter turned around and made a videotape of it for his paying students. Other than that, and M's attempted regurgitation of the Shiva Sutras (also received from Swami Lakshman Joo) on some old courses, Mahesh really didn't teach Kashmir Shaivism, nor was a yogi in that traditon or qualified as a pundit. When things got slim pickin's, he would not hesitate to pimp others teachings in his own inimitable way: for fun and cash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
[FairfieldLife] It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
are Shemp's: I never had the fantasy of joining them [the Hare Krishnas] but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week. If the Beatles had written a song about me, even if it was 'negative', I would strut and brag about it to the end of my days. ... I'll take the trade-off of having the Beatles write about me any of the eights days of the week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The new Maharishi Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new Maharishi Song? Link Bank Vault In Heaven Richard Thompson Got a bank vault in heaven, got my name on the door Every day I get richer, add a little bit more Come you tellers and lenders and lend me some more Got a bank vault in heaven and it's mine for evermore And the angels sing Fly, fly, fly The angels sing Fly, fly, fly Fly from the darkness that covers you all Fly to the sky where the only wall is infinity, infinity Going to shine down from heaven right into your room Take the minds of your children right off to the moon Every mud hut and igloo, every penthouse and farm I'll shine down from heaven and I'll do my snake-charm And the angels say Sing, sing, sing, Sing, sing, sing Oh the whole world is singing the same happy tune Something so low even hound dogs can croon to insanity, insanity Oh there's a signpost in heaven, in the firmament blue You can run to the wastelands, but it points straight at you I've got a bank vault in heaven, what joy will it bring All you Punchs and Judys, I'll be pulling your strings Richard Thompson, now yer talkin! Favourite song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF61W7SGNxUfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. Sorta like Spain back during the Franco era? So you fled France because of Sarkosy. WWII was probably but a dim memory in the seniors living in France. There are probably still plenty remembering Franco to keep it okay for a while. The seniors in the US who were adult age during the Great Depression are dwindling quickly so there are fewer to point out how the economy is going down the tubes. So where is next, Turq? Argentina. That might be the best choice as they've been through a lot including an economic collapse not unlike what the US may be headed for. So far though Argentina has been having a tough time getting back on its feet. But Great Depression II might be a wonderful spot for a would-be novelist. Look what it did for Steinbeck. :D Anyway if you were in America right now what would you be doing? Inquiring minds want to know. BTW, maybe a six-pack of Red Bull will make Charlie Jade more tolerable. Have you noticed that the scenes on average are no longer than a minute and a half? Talk about short attention span theater. The alternate universe concept is great but it is targeted at 18-25 year old gamers. Hence the Red Bull.
[FairfieldLife] Pundi Lawn Jockeys
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are the pundits the Trophy Indians of the rich in Vedic City? Someone should come up with Pundit versions of Lawn Jockeys and sell them in Fairfield...I'm sure whoever did that would make a killing...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Arms dealing? Climate change? Destabilising other countries? Crap TV? At least you make the best bicycles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Define it. Health care? 36 other countries, according to the World Health Organization: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Taking care of its poor? Every country in the EU, and in many other parts of the world. Having elections in which the votes are actually counted? Most democracies on the planet. Settling their international disputes without choosing war as the first option? Most other countries on the planet. Choose your category, and America pretty much comes up the loser. Except in one. America is the planet's leading exporter of one product -- war. The produc- tion of weapons of war has accounted for much (and in some years, most) of the country's GNP since WWII, and you sell more weapons of war to the rest of the world than all other countries combined. War is just what you DO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
(snip) And which vision is that, pray tell, because no one knows since he's flip-flopped on virtually every significant issue. Some will say he hasn't gone to the center on many of those issues but the center- right! (snip) Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. Americans like being at the center; (which is why we are so 'off center' now) So, Senator Obama is appealing to the center, as it is now... The 'Percieved Center' is alway changing... And it also has to do with confidence and desire. How else did Bush win, not once, but twice. Desire, confidence and a perception that he was at the 'Center' of American politics... But that was back then, and this is now. So, I don't think we can swing from the far right, as with Bush, To the far left, as with Hillary... So, I feel that Senator, soon to be President Obama is playing his cards just so right...
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are Shemp's: I never had the fantasy of joining them [the Hare Krishnas] but I did have the fantasy of becoming filthy rich and being in the position of being able to hire those very same cooks to make my meals three times a day, seven days a week. If the Beatles had written a song about me, even if it was 'negative', I would strut and brag about it to the end of my days. ... I'll take the trade-off of having the Beatles write about me any of the eights days of the week. Hey, they're not my ONLY dreams but, yes, I'll admit to them. And be proud of them as well. Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
Vaj, I get a feelin' that MMY could have saved a dozen babies from a burning building and discovered the cure to cancer and you'd still say...but,but,but.. ;-) --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:43 PM On Jul 13, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: (note: KS differs from WillyTex's false Neo-Advaita; which btw has nothing to do with MMY's version of reality per SBAL. So, you're saying that SBAL has nothing to do with Kashmere Shaivism and MMY had nothing to say about Kashmere Shaivism in SBAL. And that 'Willytex's' version is Kashmere Shaivism is 'Neo-Adwaita.' But, from what I've read, the Marshy taught all the current students of Kashmere Shaivism how to meditate and their guru, the Swami Laksmanjoo, was a great friend of the Marshy. Go figure. Actually the real story is somewhat different. Swami Lakshman Joo was a guru of Mahesh's. According to Sw. Lakshman Joo, Mahesh literally begged Sw. L. to initiate him into the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. So he did. True to his nature, MMY shortly thereafter turned around and made a videotape of it for his paying students. Other than that, and M's attempted regurgitation of the Shiva Sutras (also received from Swami Lakshman Joo) on some old courses, Mahesh really didn't teach Kashmir Shaivism, nor was a yogi in that traditon or qualified as a pundit. When things got slim pickin's, he would not hesitate to pimp others teachings in his own inimitable way: for fun and cash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
(snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:16 PM, feste37 wrote: I missed you and your merry quips. Aww, thanks, feste. I'm back! And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. You consistently score higher in merry quips, too. How were things out there in the Bardo? Is there life between FFL posting periods, or is it just blackness? :-) Agreed. Rarely have I seen someone be able to be so winsomely snarky. That takes skill. Prolly comes from a pure heart. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Define it. Health care? 36 other countries, according to the World Health Organization: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html I was going to ignore Barry's delusional rantings about the stereotypes he has learned through watching and listening to Europe's media, but I couldn't help myself. Taking care of its poor? Every country in the EU, and in many other parts of the world. America's lowest quintile in terms of income -- i.e. its alleged poor -- have a higher standard of living than, for example, Sweden's middle class. And, yes, they ALL have health care (if they want it)...NOT health care INSURANCE, but health care (a little thing called Medicaid which costs the US about $400 billion a year which is larger than the annual GDP of most countries in the world. Having elections in which the votes are actually counted? Silly goose. Probably referring to the 2000 election. Old news, Barry. See the HBO movie on this and then get back to us. Most democracies on the planet. Settling their international disputes without choosing war as the first option? Most other countries on the planet. The place you're living in now, Barry, Europe is responsible for about 60 million deaths in the 20th century as a result of wars THEY started NOT the Americans. The Americans helped STOP the carnage. And I'll make that argument for any of the other conflicts they've been involved in. Choose your category, and America pretty much comes up the loser. Except in one. America is the planet's leading exporter of one product -- war. The produc- tion of weapons of war has accounted for much (and in some years, most) of the country's GNP since WWII, Citations and/or facts, please. And until you do, I'll say this: you simply don't know what you're talking about. But to help get you started, here's a link (go down to table 10.1 and download). Happy researching: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/hist.html and you sell more weapons of war to the rest of the world than all other countries combined. War is just what you DO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. Sorta like Spain back during the Franco era? The Spanish *couldn't* talk freedom during Franco, or they'd be shot. Are you saying that's your problem in America already? :-) So you fled France because of Sarkosy. No, but he certainly didn't inspire me to stay. His wife might inspire me to stay, but only for one night. :-) WWII was probably but a dim memory in the seniors living in France. There are probably still plenty remembering Franco to keep it okay for a while. That is exactly my thinking. When you've lived under Fascism for 40 years, you're not as sus- ceptible to its seductive bullshit as those who only had to live under it for a few years during WWII. The seniors in the US who were adult age during the Great Depression are dwindling quickly so there are fewer to point out how the economy is going down the tubes. So where is next, Turq? Argentina. I'm gonna stick around here for a while. Sitges was known as a safe haven for weirdos even during the Franco era. I'm not drawn to South America at all. I'd like to spend some time in Bhutan before I die, but I don't think I'd like to live there. Anyway if you were in America right now what would you be doing? Inquiring minds want to know. I would probably be expending about 60% of my energy fighting the all-pervasive aura of America. Look at the way people there THINK, man. Read some of WLeed's and Willytex's posts. It's like they're tuned into that memecast 24/7, and have stopped fighting it, so it's actually what they *believe*. I decided to stop putting so much energy into having to fight it and just change channels. There is very little of that constant fascist mind static in the psychic environment here. At least so far. BTW, maybe a six-pack of Red Bull will make Charlie Jade more tolerable. Have you noticed that the scenes on average are no longer than a minute and a half? Talk about short attention span theater. Yup. I finished the series, and it's very interesting, but them Canajuns who made it have misperceived their audience IMO. They're envisioning an audience that is locked onto the screen, totally focused on it, as if it were a video game and they were winning. If you do that, you can follow the plotlines with no problem. But that's not what most TV audiences are like. They don't bring that level of attention to what they are watching. So I can certainly see what the critics complained about when they called it hard to follow. The alternate universe concept is great but it is targeted at 18-25 year old gamers. Hence the Red Bull. Exactly. As I've done before, I responded before read- ing your whole post and typed my little blurb about the video game nature of the series before reading yours. :-) I do have to say, however, that episode 16 (The Short- ening of the Way) just fuckin' rocks. Several pivotal plot points all resolving in the same episode, and done really well. I hear that each episode was directed by a different person. If so, I want them to hire the director of this one to do the whole second season, if there ever is one. Cape Town really looks like no other place on earth. I'd like to visit someday, based on having seen it, even its Alphaverse version. But I wouldn't want to live there. These days I'm more of a Gammaverse kinda guy, with occasional visits to Betaverse to party. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
The US is not without faults Why have so many people immigrated to the US? And why do so many people continue to immigrate to the US? And why do so many people desire to immigrate to the US? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Define it. Health care? 36 other countries, according to the World Health Organization: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Taking care of its poor? Every country in the EU, and in many other parts of the world. Having elections in which the votes are actually counted? Most democracies on the planet. Settling their international disputes without choosing war as the first option? Most other countries on the planet. Choose your category, and America pretty much comes up the loser. Except in one. America is the planet's leading exporter of one product -- war. The produc- tion of weapons of war has accounted for much (and in some years, most) of the country's GNP since WWII, and you sell more weapons of war to the rest of the world than all other countries combined. War is just what you DO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. 6. Republicans don't want to clean up the mess they've made. McCain is the token candidate. P.S.: We're still waiting to hear from Turq about what Americans should be doing. ;-) Walk their talk. When America has a progressive President, then you can talk. When America has pulled out of all of its current wars and doesn't start any new ones, then you can talk. When America takes care of its own sick and poor, then you can talk. When America starts doing something about its relentless crusade to fuck up the environment and render it unlivable, than you can talk. Until then, it's ONLY talk, mere flapping of the gums with no substance behind it, the mutterings of a nation in denial. The world stopped believing your talk long ago. It believes only your actions. So far, there has been no change in those actions. We will believe your talk about change when there is some. But not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) And which vision is that, pray tell, because no one knows since he's flip-flopped on virtually every significant issue. Some will say he hasn't gone to the center on many of those issues but the center- right! (snip) Every President has one, by going to the 'Center'. Americans like being at the center; (which is why we are so 'off center' now) So, Senator Obama is appealing to the center, as it is now... The 'Percieved Center' is alway changing... And it also has to do with confidence and desire. How else did Bush win, not once, but twice. Desire, confidence and a perception that he was at the 'Center' of American politics... But that was back then, and this is now. So, I don't think we can swing from the far right, as with Bush, To the far left, as with Hillary... So, I feel that Senator, soon to be President Obama is playing his cards just so right... ...and is pissing off the people who put him where he is today. Look, I actually think your analysis above is spot-on and that's why I said later in the post that I really don't mind -- with a few exceptions -- if Obama becomes president. But it is the lefties on this forum, like Bhairitu and Wright, would should be concerned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? Barry Wright (Turquoise) was involved in a cult for many years in which he claims that the cult leader on a regular basis levitated for him. He actually believes this. Lose weight now, ask me how. Sorry I mean, ask Barry, he'll tell you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama 5. Americans are ready for the 21st century and leave all that old school crap behind. OffWorld The problem is that Obama is proving himself to be classic old school crap. The veneer of something new has quickly faded, especially since his revised Iraq policy is virtually identical to McCain's. I really don't care whether he gets elected or not...there are only two things that make me reticent about Obama at this point and the way things are going with his campaign, he's probably going to flip- flop on those also. One is the tax increases which may just be his adding the FICA tax on top of $250,000 in Adjusted Gross Income thing. The other is his Israel policy...I was afraid that he'd abandon Israel but since his appearance at AIPAC, he's been tripping over himself trying to outdo everybody in his support of Israel, so not too much to worry about there. Barack wants power and if being a good Republican is what is going to get him there, he should make an acceptable president. Of course, the real danger to his candidacy doesn't come from John McCain and the Republicans but from his own party. The Denver convention is gearing up to be a confrontation that will make Chicago in '68 look like a Ghandi rally...Hillary wants a roll call, her supporters want a roll call, and there's a movement afoot to get pledged Obama delegates to switch their votes...and it's really growing... I have been wondering when this would achieve the critical mass necessary to get attention in the press. The ActBlue site indicates donations of $380.92. Do you think Hillary will openly support this movement? Hard to believe that passions on the streets of Denver could ever match Chicago in '68. The floor of the convention could be another story. Seeing how bigga fools Hillary's true believers will make of themselves will definitely raise the entertainment value.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? Me. You haven't been paying attention. And Shemp is just jealous. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweaty hands and breathing?
Damn! You are good Curtis!! True skill in action. I bow once again to your ability to use humor to poke holes in idiocy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fast pranayam you are reffering to is given prior to TM-Sidhi courses after a Puja only. Another way would be for Card to get a ouiji board and speak directly to one of the zombie Gurus who died but did not die-die. After you get the OKAY-DOKAY from them and they give you the magical connection with the lineage of dead (but not dead-dead) guys, you can breath quickly while playing with your nose. Please send an international money order with your course fee to your national center. (the dead guys do NOT take personal checks!) This way you can gain the magical permission necessary to play with your own nose on your own face for half a minute. Any unauthorized nose picking is forbidden. I hope that helps Card. Please run any other unauthorized practices through this board for your own good. (because some people here know magical stuff and you don't) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Thanks, I might try that. I recently noticed that doing fast alteranate nostril pranayama (my take of it) gives a nice, light feeling in my head. I'm not absolutely sure, though, how exactly it should be done. I've only seen some TM-teachers do it, not been instructed how to do it. The fast pranayam you are reffering to is given prior to TM-Sidhi courses after a Puja only. Do not dabble without Initiation. The slow version you already know is safe for all meditators due to universal blessings made by Maharishi and can be done 5 - 15 minutes prior to TM. Enjoy !
[FairfieldLife] Re: pics of MMY other Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried doing it with rich text editor, but couldn't get anything to paste in, so I used the insert photo menu item in Outlook, and they pasted in fine, but obviously didn't show up in the post. You posted the pics as file attachments, and they showed up just fine for me in the FFL feed that I receive in email. However, the Yahoo Groups website does not store file attachments in the archives, so anyone viewing the post on the website saw no pictures. With the rich text editor on the website, it is possible to post a picture that is hosted on a web server. Unfortunately, that sometimes (often?) doesn't work when the image file is hosted on a Yahoo web server.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win?or Ron Paul same reasone or Mc
Having followed the posts here for sometime now, I *still* can't sense of WLeed3's posts. Any illumination would be appreciated. I would hate to poke fun at a guy whose problem is eyesight or some serious medical issue which prevents elucidation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Democrat screw ups not allowing drilling here 4 mnore oil1 2Economytoo much reguelation could goor B cut either way? 3 Who better to handle the war Ron or Biomb them to the stone age Bamma 2 Iraq or OPakistan ?? Prefer Ron or Jim to answer the phone @ 3 :00 AM Jim has done that well. 4 carpet is a none responded 2 non reason. In a message dated 7/13/2008 11:53:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Price of Oil and Gas 2. Economy 3. Unpopular War 4. Bush's screw-ups roll out the red carpet for Obama
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? Me. You haven't been paying attention. And Shemp is just jealous. :-) If I believed you, yes Barry, I'd be very jealous. I just think you took too many drugs in the '60s, that's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) Correction: I meant to say more than the GDP of more than 90% of the countries of the world... SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. Is asking what type of medicine you practiced before venturing into the world of a lobbyist too personal Ruth?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
I like no national health care let each pay 4 their own take charge of ther life if they desire such consider this before procreating if they desire such 4 their creations NOT mine In a message dated 7/13/2008 2:18:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. Is asking what type of medicine you practiced before venturing into the world of a lobbyist too personal Ruth? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
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On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:40 PM, satvadude108 wrote: And you are welcome back, partly because even though you almost certainly went over the posting limit last week by accident, you took your timeout quietly, without fuss, and with class. Compare and contrast to some who, in the class department, have shown...uh...not so much. You consistently score higher in merry quips, too. How were things out there in the Bardo? Is there life between FFL posting periods, or is it just blackness? :-) Agreed. Rarely have I seen someone be able to be so winsomely snarky. That takes skill. Prolly comes from a pure heart. ;-) Aww, you guys are so nice. Here on FFL, the above probably constitutes the highest of compliments. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bettyblue109 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? By what measure? Health care standards? Educational performance? Murder rate? Consumption of natural resources? Not messing in other countries' internal affairs? We trail behind many countries in those and many other measures.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.
On Jul 13, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Peter wrote: Vaj, I get a feelin' that MMY could have saved a dozen babies from a burning building and discovered the cure to cancer and you'd still say...but,but,but.. ;-) Only if it ended up being more myth making, creating false histories in an attempt to wrongly color the real truth of the matter. But the fact is Pete, MMY never saved a dozen babies from burning buildings nor did he discover a cure for cancer. Actually quite the opposite, his insistent pronouncements on Ayurvedic medicine over and above Allopathic medicine most likely put many people to their early graves. I realize people like to romanticize their spiritual involvements, but blatant lies and myth-making ain't really that romantic to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid--it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. Is asking what type of medicine you practiced before venturing into the world of a lobbyist too personal Ruth? Hospitalist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
TurquoiseB wrote: The Spanish *couldn't* talk freedom during Franco, or they'd be shot. Are you saying that's your problem in America already? :-) Not yet at least. I like to test the waters but haven't been banned from Starbucks yet. But in the Bay Area you are often just preaching to the choir. It would probably be more fun to test the waters in (and not the flood kind) in Cedar Rapids. ;-) A musician friend who was born in Germany told me once that his grandfather ran a grocery store in Berlin during Hitler's time, spoke out against Hitler and never got in trouble for it. So you fled France because of Sarkosy. No, but he certainly didn't inspire me to stay. His wife might inspire me to stay, but only for one night. :-) WWII was probably but a dim memory in the seniors living in France. There are probably still plenty remembering Franco to keep it okay for a while. That is exactly my thinking. When you've lived under Fascism for 40 years, you're not as sus- ceptible to its seductive bullshit as those who only had to live under it for a few years during WWII. We have a large number of the populace who were born after Nixon was impeached. They don't get him nor Vietnam. They think laissez faire capitalism is just hunky-dory. The seniors in the US who were adult age during the Great Depression are dwindling quickly so there are fewer to point out how the economy is going down the tubes. So where is next, Turq? Argentina. I'm gonna stick around here for a while. Sitges was known as a safe haven for weirdos even during the Franco era. I'm not drawn to South America at all. I'd like to spend some time in Bhutan before I die, but I don't think I'd like to live there. Anyway if you were in America right now what would you be doing? Inquiring minds want to know. I would probably be expending about 60% of my energy fighting the all-pervasive aura of America. I think most of us here have been doing that since high school. The war is with the big corporation who just bulldoze over you. If you want to be effective get a job in one and covertly rise high and then dismantle it. We need to get rid of corporate personhood and return American to the people and not the corporations. America was founded on getting away from the big corporate British East India Company. Laws were passed limiting corporations. They did not have the same rights as individuals. They had a limited lifespan of 40 years. That all got changed after the Civil War. It is a real uphill battle with these creeps. Look at the way people there THINK, man. Read some of WLeed's and Willytex's posts. It's like they're tuned into that memecast 24/7, and have stopped fighting it, so it's actually what they *believe*. I decided to stop putting so much energy into having to fight it and just change channels. There is very little of that constant fascist mind static in the psychic environment here. At least so far. I think that most of us take the dittoheads as being the chaff. They don't represent thinking people. Of course Hitler was not popular in Berlin, he was popular in the countryside with the bumpkins. But these days Bush isn't even popular with the bumpkins. It's the mainstream media that paints him otherwise and sucks up to him and only that as they're afraid that he'll sick the justice department on them if they don't show him favorably. I almost puke when I listen to CNN, ABC radio news talk about Bush so kissy face. I hope that Obama appoints Edwards the AG because he'll go after those companies after what they did during this era. I want all those newscasters fired and unable to even get a job at McDonalds. BTW, maybe a six-pack of Red Bull will make Charlie Jade more tolerable. Have you noticed that the scenes on average are no longer than a minute and a half? Talk about short attention span theater. Yup. I finished the series, and it's very interesting, but them Canajuns who made it have misperceived their audience IMO. They're envisioning an audience that is locked onto the screen, totally focused on it, as if it were a video game and they were winning. If you do that, you can follow the plotlines with no problem. Uh, the video gamers are a different crowd. They grew up with computers and video games. They have short attention spans and fragmented minds. They are the ones who complained about Cloverfield not telling them where the monster came from (there is some back story in the navigation gimmick they put as extras maybe only on the BluRay disk). This same crowd complains about NBC's Fear Itself series for as far as we can tell that some episodes don't follow the standard horror template (which was getting old anyway). They deeply (left brained) analyze films as if they are video games (and certainly not in the sense of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid--it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :) For someone who obviously knows so much about the subject, I'm surprised that you used the wording that I objected to, namly when you wrote the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort... when that is patently incorrect. Perhaps you meant universal health care because, obviously, both medicare and medicaid ARE national health care programs, Ruth. If I am wrong, please correct me. If you're wrong, please acknowledge it. I do have a question for you, however, regarding what you wrote above: If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. Yes, my understanding is that being uninsurable is not a requirement for getting on Medicaid, e.g. you can have a multi- millionaire who, for health reasons, is uninsurable but would NOT be entitled to Medicaid because of his wealth. As it should be. But if one is simply poor -- conditional, of course, upon both a means test and a verification of assets to determine that poorness -- that most certainly IS a criterion for getting Medicaid, is it not? Isn't it, basically, the ONLY reason one can get Medicaid? If my understanding is not correct, please correct it for me...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. Is asking what type of medicine you practiced before venturing into the world of a lobbyist too personal Ruth? Hospitalist. There's quite a range embedded in them thar word, hospitalist. That could mean, on one side of the spectrum, a brain surgeon, and, on the other, an orderly or pusher of mops. Could you be more specific?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like no national health care let each pay 4 their own take charge of ther life if they desire such consider this before procreating if they desire such 4 their creations NOT mine And who would you be paying? The same con men that are robbing the public now for health care? Sorry I would prefer socialism and limited capitalism small business only (for the individualists and where it makes no sense for a government to run things). The more though the corporations spoil their bed the more the pendulum will swing to the left which some thinking conservative friends fear will happen.
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bettyblue109 wrote: The US is not without faults Why have so many people immigrated to the US? And why do so many people continue to immigrate to the US? And why do so many people desire to immigrate to the US? Last I heard not so much anymore. Immigrants get hassled by the Nazis at the border so they're going elsewhere. Some immigrants who came here from socialist countries are saying this country is becoming as on the same path to becoming as fascist as the one they fled. Some have also learned that capitalism isn't as grand as they first thought.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid--it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :) For someone who obviously knows so much about the subject, I'm surprised that you used the wording that I objected to, namly when you wrote the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort... when that is patently incorrect. Perhaps you meant universal health care because, obviously, both medicare and medicaid ARE national health care programs, Ruth. If I am wrong, please correct me. If you're wrong, please acknowledge it. I do have a question for you, however, regarding what you wrote above: If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. Yes, my understanding is that being uninsurable is not a requirement for getting on Medicaid, e.g. you can have a multi- millionaire who, for health reasons, is uninsurable but would NOT be entitled to Medicaid because of his wealth. As it should be. But if one is simply poor -- conditional, of course, upon both a means test and a verification of assets to determine that poorness -- that most certainly IS a criterion for getting Medicaid, is it not? Isn't it, basically, the ONLY reason one can get Medicaid? If my understanding is not correct, please correct it for me... OK, I admit I should have said universal rather than national. My bad and that was sloppy. Yes, the two programs you mentioned are national programs. States set eligibility for Medicaid, but the feds have some minimal requirements. Most all states only provide Medicaid to the poor disabled, the poor elderly, and to poor families with young children. Yes, you have to be really poor to get Medicaid. But being poor alone is not enough. If you so poor that you are homeless, you are not eligible for Medicaid unless you meet another requirement, such as being completely disabled. I have worked with a number people who have mental health and other health issues who are not eligible for Medicaid because they are not completely disabled according to federal rules. There are scattered programs out there in some places. Free clinics exist in some cities but waiting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hospitalist. There's quite a range embedded in them thar word, hospitalist. That could mean, on one side of the spectrum, a brain surgeon, and, on the other, an orderly or pusher of mops. Could you be more specific? Actually, I was specific but it isn't a specialty that many know about. A hospitalist is a doctor who provides general medical care in a hospital setting. For example, say you have a baby that has many health problems and the baby is sent to a specialty hospital. The hospitalist will provide general care for the baby and coordinate so that the right hand (maybe a surgeon) knows what the left hand (maybe an oncologist)is doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) Correction: I meant to say more than the GDP of more than 90% of the countries of the world... Of what possible significance does either of these figures have to the argument?? You can prove almost anything by pointing to the fact that the US as a whole spends more on it than other countries, which we do because we're THE richest and one of the most populous countries. Do you know what the terms per capita or percentage means? The relevant number is percent of the population covered by these 2 programs. I've heard that we spend about 1/3 of total health care dollars via medicare and medicaid, but that number is biased by the fact that medicare is for the elderly who take a disportionate percentage of health care dollars. So I would guess that much less than 30% of the population is covered by these programs, and their coverage is pretty basic isn't it - at least my mother needs supplemental insurance as medicare doesn't begin to cover all her health care costs right now. I don't think I've ever talked with anyone about health care issues who argued that the US had a strong federal health care program compared to other industrialized countries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid- -it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :) For someone who obviously knows so much about the subject, I'm surprised that you used the wording that I objected to, namly when you wrote the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort... when that is patently incorrect. Perhaps you meant universal health care because, obviously, both medicare and medicaid ARE national health care programs, Ruth. If I am wrong, please correct me. If you're wrong, please acknowledge it. I do have a question for you, however, regarding what you wrote above: If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. Yes, my understanding is that being uninsurable is not a requirement for getting on Medicaid, e.g. you can have a multi- millionaire who, for health reasons, is uninsurable but would NOT be entitled to Medicaid because of his wealth. As it should be. But if one is simply poor -- conditional, of course, upon both a means test and a verification of assets to determine that poorness -- that most certainly IS a criterion for getting Medicaid, is it not? Isn't it, basically, the ONLY reason one can get Medicaid? If my understanding is not correct, please correct it for me... OK, I admit I should have said universal rather than national. My bad and that was sloppy. Yes, the two programs you mentioned are national programs. States set eligibility for Medicaid, but the feds have some minimal requirements. Most all states only provide Medicaid to the poor disabled, the poor elderly, and to poor families with young children. Yes, you have to be really poor to get Medicaid. But being poor alone is not enough. If you so poor that you are homeless, you are not eligible for Medicaid unless you meet another requirement, such as being completely disabled. I have worked with a number people who have mental
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) Correction: I meant to say more than the GDP of more than 90% of the countries of the world... Of what possible significance does either of these figures have to the argument?? You can prove almost anything by pointing to the fact that the US as a whole spends more on it than other countries, which we do because we're THE richest and one of the most populous countries. Do you know what the terms per capita or percentage means? The relevant number is percent of the population covered by these 2 programs. I've heard that we spend about 1/3 of total health care dollars via medicare and medicaid, but that number is biased by the fact that medicare is for the elderly who take a disportionate percentage of health care dollars. Yes, Bhairitu, but even the countries with universal health care have elderly people and their care constitutes the majority of health spending. So I would guess that much less than 30% of the population is covered by these programs, and their coverage is pretty basic isn't it - at least my mother needs supplemental insurance as medicare doesn't begin to cover all her health care costs right now. Bhairitu, almost 100% of all Medicare recipients in the United States have supplemental medicare insurance because Medicare only pays about 80% of hospital costs, for example. I don't think I've ever talked with anyone about health care issues who argued that the US had a strong federal health care program compared to other industrialized countries. It's because you live near Berkeley. Actually, I'm not arguing that the US has a strong federal health care program compared to anyone; it sucks. I was arguing against using improper terms to describe a situation, a particular problem I've had with you in the past in this very area. Certainly, you've seen me produce these very figures at least a dozen times before...often for YOUR benefit???
[FairfieldLife] I apologize to boo_lives
Sorry, I mistakenly thought I was responding to Bhairitu... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) Correction: I meant to say more than the GDP of more than 90% of the countries of the world... Of what possible significance does either of these figures have to the argument?? You can prove almost anything by pointing to the fact that the US as a whole spends more on it than other countries, which we do because we're THE richest and one of the most populous countries. Do you know what the terms per capita or percentage means? The relevant number is percent of the population covered by these 2 programs. I've heard that we spend about 1/3 of total health care dollars via medicare and medicaid, but that number is biased by the fact that medicare is for the elderly who take a disportionate percentage of health care dollars. Yes, Bhairitu, but even the countries with universal health care have elderly people and their care constitutes the majority of health spending. So I would guess that much less than 30% of the population is covered by these programs, and their coverage is pretty basic isn't it - at least my mother needs supplemental insurance as medicare doesn't begin to cover all her health care costs right now. Bhairitu, almost 100% of all Medicare recipients in the United States have supplemental medicare insurance because Medicare only pays about 80% of hospital costs, for example. I don't think I've ever talked with anyone about health care issues who argued that the US had a strong federal health care program compared to other industrialized countries. It's because you live near Berkeley. Actually, I'm not arguing that the US has a strong federal health care program compared to anyone; it sucks. I was arguing against using improper terms to describe a situation, a particular problem I've had with you in the past in this very area. Certainly, you've seen me produce these very figures at least a dozen times before...often for YOUR benefit???
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid- -it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :) For someone who obviously knows so much about the subject, I'm surprised that you used the wording that I objected to, namly when you wrote the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort... when that is patently incorrect. Perhaps you meant universal health care because, obviously, both medicare and medicaid ARE national health care programs, Ruth. If I am wrong, please correct me. If you're wrong, please acknowledge it. I do have a question for you, however, regarding what you wrote above: If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. Yes, my understanding is that being uninsurable is not a requirement for getting on Medicaid, e.g. you can have a multi- millionaire who, for health reasons, is uninsurable but would NOT be entitled to Medicaid because of his wealth. As it should be. But if one is simply poor -- conditional, of course, upon both a means test and a verification of assets to determine that poorness -- that most certainly IS a criterion for getting Medicaid, is it not? Isn't it, basically, the ONLY reason one can get Medicaid? If my understanding is not correct, please correct it for me... OK, I admit I should have said universal rather than national. My bad and that was sloppy. Yes, the two programs you mentioned are national programs. States set eligibility for Medicaid, but the feds have some minimal requirements. Most all states only provide Medicaid to the poor disabled, the poor elderly, and to poor families with young children. Yes, you have to be really poor to get Medicaid. But being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
Shemp, here is an update to the study which estimated 18,000 deaths: http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411588_uninsured_dying.pdf Some interesting info: Uninsured people with colon or breast cancer face a 50% higher risk of death. For example, women with a breast lump but without insurance often end up delaying getting checked out, and thus their outcomes are worse. Uninsured trauma victims are less likely to be admitted to the hospital, receive the full range of needed services, and are 37% more likely to die of their injuries. About 25% of adult diabetics without insurance for a year or more went without a checkup for two years. That boosts their risk of death, blindness and amputations resulting from poor circulation.
[FairfieldLife] Cartoon for the ME TB'ers
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/meyer/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweaty hands and breathing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! You are good Curtis!! True skill in action. I bow once again to your ability to use humor to poke holes in idiocy. Much appreciated, glad it gave someone else a laugh! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The fast pranayam you are reffering to is given prior to TM-Sidhi courses after a Puja only. Another way would be for Card to get a ouiji board and speak directly to one of the zombie Gurus who died but did not die-die. After you get the OKAY-DOKAY from them and they give you the magical connection with the lineage of dead (but not dead-dead) guys, you can breath quickly while playing with your nose. Please send an international money order with your course fee to your national center. (the dead guys do NOT take personal checks!) This way you can gain the magical permission necessary to play with your own nose on your own face for half a minute. Any unauthorized nose picking is forbidden. I hope that helps Card. Please run any other unauthorized practices through this board for your own good. (because some people here know magical stuff and you don't) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Thanks, I might try that. I recently noticed that doing fast alteranate nostril pranayama (my take of it) gives a nice, light feeling in my head. I'm not absolutely sure, though, how exactly it should be done. I've only seen some TM-teachers do it, not been instructed how to do it. The fast pranayam you are reffering to is given prior to TM-Sidhi courses after a Puja only. Do not dabble without Initiation. The slow version you already know is safe for all meditators due to universal blessings made by Maharishi and can be done 5 - 15 minutes prior to TM. Enjoy !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
ruthsimplicity wrote: It's a bitch. The estimate is that about 18,000 people in the US die each year because they were not able to get health care because they could not afford it. The US could go a long way if we did what the Chinese did with their barefoot doctor programs. We don't need to see doctors all the time for one thing and yes I'm aware that some clinics are actually screening through the RN's. If we could get the AMA over their politics against alternative medicine and rein in the pharmaceutical companies who are just turning doctors into sophisticated drug pushers we might get somewhere. People need to be trained to become aware that their body is starting to go way out of whack rather than waiting until it falling apart before they do something about it. I think some simple village type ayurveda would go a long way but the US has this not invented here attitude towards such things. And of course if you can cure something with 50 cents worth of spices you already have in your kitchen then the drug companies are going to get you upset that they can't sell you a $500 a month habit.
[FairfieldLife] A very revered and momentous occassion.
When the jiva finally realizes itself as made in the image of God, and then expands to embrace infinity, truly a remarkable event. One worth waiting for and striving for, in spite of all the hardship, the end is so grand, so vast as to boggle the imagination. God has greater plans for us than we have ever imagined for ourselves. Good luck on your chosen path, and remember all roads lead to the same goal of oneness, peace and pure happiness. I must credit the Maharishi for bringing me this realization and insightful experience in spite of the crazy organization he founded, at least in my opinion! Thank you Maharishi, I forgive it all, the boon of this dawning awareness has been so dramatically life changing and transformative that, in the end I am left speechless! I guess you could say Jai Guru Dev, but only in the sense that he gave that awareness to Maharishi and that inspired him to bring it to us. As to the origins of TM and all the efforts rendered trying to make sense of the tmorg, well, I guess all things will be known in the fullness of time! Thanks for listeningBillyG
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: While the US has its faults, please tell us what country does it better than the US? Does what better? Gee, the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort, Why the fuck do I bother? FOR ABOUT THE 10,000th TIME: WE HAVE TWO -- COUNT 'EM TWO -- NATIONAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS: 1) MEDICAID; AND 2) MEDICARE. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE SPEND ABOUT $800 BILLION A YEAR. THAT'S MORE THAN 90% OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/9rz4x ) SO PLEASE EITHER GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...OR (EXPETIVE DELETED). with 46 million uninsured, yet it spends more on health care than any other country per capita. Gee, even with all that spending the US does not have the longest life spans. Gee, the people in the US are not the happiest people. Gee, the US has less class mobility tham the Scandinavian countries and most European countries. We do have a lot of stuff though. I do know my facts. I have no question that I know more about national health care programs than most people as I have been working on health care issues for several years. Medicare--it is for the elderly. Medicaid- -it is for the very poor who are also disabled or elderly or, in some circumstances, families with young children. If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. There are 46 million uninsured in the US. The largest growing group of uninsured is the middle class. In part this because a good number of small employers are dropping health care benefits for their employees because the employer cannot afford the insurance. There is no continuity in the marketplace, with states wildly varying on the extent they regulate the health insurance market. The feds offering little beyond HIPAA, which does not regulate price and offers little regulation of non-group insurance. As far as how much the US spends, this is meaningless in a vacuum. What matters is what we get for the money. We spend more per capita on health care in the US than anywhere else without as favorable outcomes. We spend too much on specialists and not enough on primary care. About 1/3 of our health care costs go to administration. This is way too high. I could go on. Be glad that I am not. :) For someone who obviously knows so much about the subject, I'm surprised that you used the wording that I objected to, namly when you wrote the US might be the only industrialized country to not have national health care of some sort... when that is patently incorrect. Perhaps you meant universal health care because, obviously, both medicare and medicaid ARE national health care programs, Ruth. If I am wrong, please correct me. If you're wrong, please acknowledge it. I do have a question for you, however, regarding what you wrote above: If you are simply poor, or uninsurable you are not entitled to Medicaid. Yes, my understanding is that being uninsurable is not a requirement for getting on Medicaid, e.g. you can have a multi- millionaire who, for health reasons, is uninsurable but would NOT be entitled to Medicaid because of his wealth. As it should be. But if one is simply poor -- conditional, of course, upon both a means test and a verification of assets to determine that poorness -- that most certainly IS a criterion for getting Medicaid, is it not? Isn't it, basically, the ONLY reason one can get Medicaid? If my understanding is not correct, please correct it for me... OK, I admit I should have said universal rather than national. My bad and that was sloppy. Yes, the two programs you mentioned are national programs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, here is an update to the study which estimated 18,000 deaths: http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411588_uninsured_dying.pdf Some interesting info: Uninsured people with colon or breast cancer face a 50% higher risk of death. For example, women with a breast lump but without insurance often end up delaying getting checked out, and thus their outcomes are worse. Uninsured trauma victims are less likely to be admitted to the hospital, receive the full range of needed services, and are 37% more likely to die of their injuries. About 25% of adult diabetics without insurance for a year or more went without a checkup for two years. That boosts their risk of death, blindness and amputations resulting from poor circulation. Thanks for taking the time to find the link.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: It's a bitch. The estimate is that about 18,000 people in the US die each year because they were not able to get health care because they could not afford it. The US could go a long way if we did what the Chinese did with their barefoot doctor programs. We don't need to see doctors all the time for one thing and yes I'm aware that some clinics are actually screening through the RN's. If we could get the AMA over their politics against alternative medicine and rein in the pharmaceutical companies who are just turning doctors into sophisticated drug pushers we might get somewhere. People need to be trained to become aware that their body is starting to go way out of whack rather than waiting until it falling apart before they do something about it. I think some simple village type ayurveda would go a long way but the US has this not invented here attitude towards such things. And of course if you can cure something with 50 cents worth of spices you already have in your kitchen then the drug companies are going to get you upset that they can't sell you a $500 a month habit. bhairitu and I agree 100% on the above!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A very revered and momentous occassion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the jiva finally realizes itself as made in the image of God, and then expands to embrace infinity, truly a remarkable event. One worth waiting for and striving for, in spite of all the hardship, the end is so grand, so vast as to boggle the imagination. God has greater plans for us than we have ever imagined for ourselves. Good luck on your chosen path, and remember all roads lead to the same goal of oneness, peace and pure happiness. I must credit the Maharishi for bringing me this realization and insightful experience in spite of the crazy organization he founded, at least in my opinion! Thank you Maharishi, I forgive it all, the boon of this dawning awareness has been so dramatically life changing and transformative that, in the end I am left speechless! I guess you could say Jai Guru Dev, but only in the sense that he gave that awareness to Maharishi and that inspired him to bring it to us. As to the origins of TM and all the efforts rendered trying to make sense of the tmorg, well, I guess all things will be known in the fullness of time! Thanks for listeningBillyG I'm having what he's having.
[FairfieldLife] Zoogig flying?
http://tinyurl.com/5hzc5p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and I'd rather help the latter rather than the former. Eh, we all have our faults. Too tough to separate the deserving from the undeserving. Some of us are blessed with personalities that are not addictive and the ability to eat anything we want. Some are not. After a time, fault becomes meaningless. The fat person is punished everyday for being fat. Interestingly, some countries have medical models where they reward bonuses to the doctor for good outcomes in situations where it is hard to have a good outcome. I don't mean like curing cancer. Instead, for example, a doctor who manages to help his obese patient get his weight down. Or the patient that manages to stop smoking. I favor dispensing nicotine substitutes to adults for free. I favor tax deductibility for gym memberships if the member goes at least 3 times a week on the average. I favor physical education in the schools that are tailored to the particular student. Get the fat kids spinning, rather than being picked last for the basket ball team. Etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: It's a bitch. The estimate is that about 18,000 people in the US die each year because they were not able to get health care because they could not afford it. The US could go a long way if we did what the Chinese did with their barefoot doctor programs. We don't need to see doctors all the time for one thing and yes I'm aware that some clinics are actually screening through the RN's. If we could get the AMA over their politics against alternative medicine and rein in the pharmaceutical companies who are just turning doctors into sophisticated drug pushers we might get somewhere. People need to be trained to become aware that their body is starting to go way out of whack rather than waiting until it falling apart before they do something about it. I think some simple village type ayurveda would go a long way but the US has this not invented here attitude towards such things. And of course if you can cure something with 50 cents worth of spices you already have in your kitchen then the drug companies are going to get you upset that they can't sell you a $500 a month habit. Tell me, what can you cure with 50 cents worth of spices? I favor evidenced based medicine.
[FairfieldLife] U.S. Immigration
for all the faults of the U.S. the immigration actions of millions show that it is one of the most desired countries to live in from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world.[1] In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.[2][3]
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for all the faults of the U.S. the immigration actions of millions show that it is one of the most desired countries to live in from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world.[1] In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.[2][3] ...and add to that an estimated population of ILLEGAL immigrants anywhere from 12-25 million and that's one impression total. Indeed, I would say that the illegal immigrant number makes Betty's point even better: they risk a hell of a lot to get here, sometimes their lives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
while I do not have the numbers handy, those who have left the US for greener pastures elewhere are a very small number indeed Canada has a very high level if immigration too people seek freedom and a better life, that is what brought them to the US and many have acheived a better life too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ wrote: for all the faults of the U.S. the immigration actions of millions show that it is one of the most desired countries to live in from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world.[1] In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.[2][3] ...and add to that an estimated population of ILLEGAL immigrants anywhere from 12-25 million and that's one impression total. Indeed, I would say that the illegal immigrant number makes Betty's point even better: they risk a hell of a lot to get here, sometimes their lives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration
This is because the US is a land where hard work is rewarded with wealth and prosperity. I believe the US government is screening for those type of people who believe in this dream to become citizens. Unfortunately, there are American citizens born in this country who do not appreciate the opportunity that is available in the US. Thus, they waste their time in unemployment and homelessness. The US jyotish chart shows that this country is not for the lazy or those without dreams of a better life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for all the faults of the U.S. the immigration actions of millions show that it is one of the most desired countries to live in from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world.[1] In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.[2][3]
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama Will Win
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US is not without faults Why have so many people immigrated to the US? And why do so many people continue to immigrate to the US? And why do so many people desire to immigrate to the US? Desperate people from extremely poor countries wants to go there - for them 7 dollars an hour is heaven. Less desperate and better informed people go elsewere.
[FairfieldLife] Amazing animal story - Surrogate mothers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhPMwMlm_w
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's official -- the most mediocre dreams on the planet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Better than living with the delusion that I've actually seen people levitate in former cults I've been associated with. Whom may I ask, has seen someone levitate? I've seen hundreds and have levitated about 10 yards in one go myself, on several occasions. Soon thousands will float. Photoshopped or unphotoshopped?
