[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's True Legacy, as evidenced by his TB followers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: - Everyone I know in the USA who where in the TMO at the time just laughs if I mention the Turq/Barry-fellow. Zat so Nabby? I highly doubt it. Name them. Thanks for the thought, Geez, but it's just Nabby and the skanky blonde who hangs out on Personals forums who are on about this. Nothing to be concerned about. But for the purposes of full disclosure, here is the real story of the plot. I and a few other people who had somehow, against all odds, retained the ability to think had decided that Maharishi had lost it big-time and was leading the TMO not to a glorious 1000-year Age Of Enlightenment but to ruin and destruction. So we decided to do something desperate and stage an intervention. The plot was that we were going to sneak a cream pie into a meeting with Maharishi and hit him in the face with it. The idea behind the plot was that this act of Zen anarchy would enable him to lighten up and laugh again and stop being so damned serious, and remember that the important thing in life was the Three Stooges, not the Three Gunas. Unfortunately, the plot was thwarted at the last minute, and the cream pie was discovered by some SS guard. I think it was the leather eyepatch I chose to wear with my Nazi uniform that gave me away. I was placed before a firing squad and shot. No...wait... That wasn't me. That was Tom Cruise, in Valkyrie. Never mind. :-) Bad movie, by the way, one that I am glad I pirated and didn't spend money on. The only reason I bothered to watch it is that the director and writer's previous collaboration had been the wonderful The Usual Suspects and I was hoping that they'd bring some of that magic to this turkey. My hopes were dashed; they obviously used up all of their creativity on Suspects. But, speaking of those days when we had both just bailed from the TMO, do you remember you doing puja with your record-cleaning apparatus? Apavitra-pavitro-vah...squirt the liquid onto the record...wave the record wiper in the air in tiny circles...bow to the divinity of Miles Davis. Had me on the *floor* laughing, dude, and still does as I remember it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Leave The Sinking Ship, by Deepak Chopra
[ No, it's not about the TMO, but about health care. ] Leave the Sinking Ship Andrew Weil, MD and Rustum Roy, PhD also contributed to this article. On December 26, 2008, the Wall Street Journal published The Touch that Doesn't Heal, an article by Steve Salerno. Without discernible professional credentials in health reportage, the writer opened his piece by pledging allegiance to scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine. He next declared opposition to integrative medicine, and characterized as gurus two proponents of integrative medicine, Deepak Chopra and Andrew Weil, choosing to overlook that we both are highly trained MDs with almost 40 years of clinical-experience. Joining us in our response is Rustum Roy, an internationally known scientist, and member of five major National Academies of Science Engineering, who has spent ten years researching a wide range of health technologies, both ancient and modern. We predict that while they may try to dismiss us, the Wall Street Journal writer and editors will find they can't dismiss a burgeoning field of medicine currently saving and improving millions of lives worldwide. We believe that Salerno's piece is the opening salvo from the right aiming to influence the incoming administration as it strategically allocates resources for improving the U.S. health and wellness system. Fortunately, Tom Daschle, the upcoming Health and Human Services Secretary is better informed than either the WSJ writer or those who dictate WSJ editorial policy. The co-author (along with Jeanne Lambrew) of Critical: What We Can Do About the Health Care Crises, Daschle names the principal challenge to true reform, [S]pecial interests are especially numerous and influential in the health-care system. Health care comprises one-sixth of our economy... since cutting costs is tantamount to cutting profits for many of these special interests, it is reasonable to expect (an) all-out war to defeat reform. As in Mr. Salerno's article, this war extends to advancing ill-informed pseudo-scientific arguments to discredit effective low-cost health care options precisely because they compete with the current high-cost system. There are many factors driving up health care costs, writes Daschle. One problem is that 'supply side' forces exist in our health-care system. Physicians both diagnose and treat illness - in economic terms, they create and satisfy demand. . . . Conditions such as 'restless leg syndrome' weren't conditions until drugs were developed to treat them. In his article Mr. Salerno acknowledged several factors in America's present health care crisis: disenchantment over spiraling costs, a bloated bureaucracy, and ''possible drug side effects. While these clearly demand attention, he overlooks the crisis' principal cause: The poor results of the present health care system. Numerous surveys show that for all its bank-breaking expense, the American medical system lags behind the rest of the developed world in most health indicators. Nor does it sustain a doctor's sworn duty to first do no harm. Abundant evidence uncovers high-tech medicine, with its powerful drugs, as a major, possibly the leading, cause of death in this country. The National Academy's data attributes 100,000 deaths per year to physicians' errors, added to well over 100,000 deaths due to severe drug interactions and another 100,000 fatalities from hospital-based-infections. (For a detailed analysis, see Death By Medicine, by Gary S. Null, et al.) Why is the allegedly scientifically proven health care that the WSJ writer champions so dangerous to health? The blind allegiance to evidence-based medicine overlooks how readily this form of research can be manipulated. It was first developed to isolate patentable agents for drug formulations. In scientific arenas outside of mainstream medicine, this statistics-based medicine is regarded as dubious science at best. Narrowly confining itself to costly, selectively published, industry-sponsored clinical trials, to promote pharmaceutical products, evidence based medicine is the marketing icon used by the current system to squelch lower cost competitors. Science's only gold standard are facts derived from reproducible results, however unpalatable those facts are to current theory. When theories fail to explain the facts, they lose viability. The spectacular failures of evidence based medical theories include the millions spent on ineffective AIDS vaccines, the collapse of interferon as the wonder drug for cancer, and the marginal decrease in cancer deaths despite billions wasted during decades of fruitless research. Many once-standard treatments devised via this theoretical model now stand discredited, like the use of Thalidomide and Thorazine. As Mr. Salerno and his editors stand bullish on the persistent investment of health care dollars into a model with runaway costs, poor results, lack of available personnel, and questionable science, we are convinced America can do
[FairfieldLife] Progressed Moon!
I've only recently started studying (astrological) progressions. I noticed there's a rather long thread (14 pages) about Progressed Moon on a Finnish astro site (Kuun progressio): http://www.astro.fi/forum/index.php?topic=858.0 So, it seems people are very interested in that topic! Just google progressed Moon, and you'll find lots of stuff about it.
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
BC - Brahman Consciousness BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi CC - Cosmic Consciousness GC - God Consciousness MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of Maharishi's program. POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master SCI Science of Creative Intelligence SOC - State of Consciousness SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji) SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture) TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines) TNB - True Non-Believer TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization TTC TM Teacher Training Course UC - Unity Consciousness WYMS - World Youth Meditation Society later changed to World Youth Movement for the Science of Creative Intelligence was founded by Peter Hübner in Germany, as a national TM outlet competing with SIMS, Students International Meditation Society YMMV = Your Mileage may vary To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Guidelines.txt
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[FairfieldLife] The three [!] praNava's in red!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: digitizing Vedic chanting
All Vedic chanting records were done in Vlodrop - analog in beginning and afterwards there were all digitized, while MMY was still there. Most of analog records were damaged due the conditions in which there were stored. What you are listening on MMY channel are digitized versions of Vedic chanting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. (snip) There are many people, right now, in every part of the country, that are experiencing depression, at this time... This is part of the process of letting go of the past, dysfunctional patterns, and fear of change. We are in a time of great change, on all levels of reality, as people move into higher states of consciousness, and raise the vibration, so as to cause others to 'unstress' like crazy... Best thing to do, is realize, 'your not the only one', going through this at this time. It is good when 'fear' comes up, to 'feel it', don't run away... As you feel the fear, it will dissipate and help to raise your vibration, thereby using the fear for growth. Feel where the fear is in the body...like when it is difficult to think the mantra, then just allow the attention to go to the area of the body, that is uneasy, and that will help release the stuck energy there, and come back to the mantra, when it is comfortable. Also, I believe there is a lot of polarization in the community there, and this increases the intensity of the illusion of seperateness... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: L.Shaddai wrote: I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. So, you're no longer practicing TM. But, how exactly, did you learn to pronounce Sanskrit bija mantras by reading a post on a newsgroup? This is really the question: why would you take a guy's word that mumbling a nonsense syllable would do anything? I mean, it's one thing to have a yogi whisper the magic word in your left ear during an initation, and for you to repeat it three times to make sure you got it right, but reading it in a booklet, written by a baba who couldn't read or write a single word in Sanskrit, is a stretch when you think about it. I am still practicing TM. I still meditate on my 6th Advanced Technique. I knew how to pronounce the mantra already. Nonsense syllable? My TM mantra is supposed to be meanlingless but 'taint. Hey. Cut me some slack. I do my full TM/TM Sidhi program. Spend a few minutes in FF and you'll hear a thousand times that Maharishi didn't tell you the whole story, so I'll fill you in. I've not visited Radiance, TX in years. Much to far down south with long lines at red lights. Are they still sacrificing goats there? First of all, this comes from an oral tradition...and when you learn TM, the mantra is imparted, infused with the 'Shakti' that happens... It vibrates the system to receive the instruction, in a different way, then could be obtained from a book... And it is wise to stick with your mantra, until you are established enough, to change... But, when one is established in a higher state of consciousness, and when one is experiencing the name/form, as in the Siddhis... Then it is different... I am sure when Maharishi and Muktananda were together, there would be little problem with this issue, between them, as you see, they would have a deeper understanding of the essence of vibration... Everything in essence is just vibration, but you need to establish 'null vibration' in order to vibrate from the witness. I believe Maharishi established TM, as the most universal way, to impart the mantra, the technique for using the mantra...and sticking to the original mantra, will be of benefit. As changing mantras before you are established, Will just serve to dilute the process, of effortless transcending. So, since knowledge is different in different states of consciousness, this applies here... In a higher state of consciousness, the rules of this reality, change. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Practice Groups of FF
Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in Fairfield? The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past three decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century. ___Alphabetical: A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148. The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room 2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding. Ammachi Fairfield Satsang Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, chanting, and bhajans. http://amma-fairfield.org/ contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336 Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892 http://us.artofliving.org/index.html Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952 Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as ³Bapuji². Local contact: 472-9260 Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi. First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location information: 641-919-5223 or email directly at: fairfieldsai...@humanityinunity.org http://www.humanityinunity.org Circle of Sophia a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. Original worship celebration, written from sources in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org Contact 472-1645 Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki Padmavati Amma Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948 Divine Mother Church in Fairfield `We don¹t talk about God, we commune with God'. Interfaith Service: Sundays 11 AM; 51 North Court, East Entrance Contact 641.209.9900 Fairfield Vedic Pujas, Yagyas and Ceremonies Scheduled public events always open to interested persons. By Vedic Scholar and Priest, Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma: 630-240-3368 http://yagya108.org/default.aspx Fellowship of the Holy Spirit in Fairfield `Consciousness, Joy, and Devotion: Christianity that works.' Sundays, 11 AM, 51 North Court. 472-8737. Gangaji Group Local contact: 472-9476. Golden Shield Qi Gong Fairfield practice: 641-919-3913. Golden Shield Qi Gong www.jingui.com 641-472-5998 Hatha Yoga classes. Sue Berkey: 472-6577 Henry Hertzberger Chanting, Pujas Yagyas. Mahaganapati Temple Schedule: Fairfield Shri Karunamayi Satsang Fairfield Group Meditation and Program. 472-8422 http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2008Fairfield.shtml Liberal Catholic Church in Fairfield St Gabriel and all Angels, 300 E. Burlington. Contact, 472-1625www.stgabe.org Manavata Mandir Vedic Temple 800 W. Burlington in Fairfield. 469-6041. Mother Meera: 641.472.5149 http://www.mothermeera-fairfield.com/default.jsp Quaker Meeting Fairfield Society of Friends (Conservative Un- programmed) silent meeting for worship. 472-8422. St. Germain Meditation. Two active groups meeting for meditation weekly http://www.reiki-seichem.com/germain.html http://saintgermainfoundation.com/ Saniel Bonder, `Waking Down' in Fairfield. Sittings calendar: call 472-2001. http://wakingdowninfairfield.com/ Scalar Group Meditation Programs facilitated by Lilli Botchis. A unique opportunity as a group to research in mind/body consciousness the universal themes of pure energy and manifestation potential of HHFe Scalar wave regeneration system. Programs designed to clear, balance and open the chakra system. Contact, 472-0129. http://earthspectrum.com/ http://www.timeportalpubs.com/index.htm Shivabalayogi Group All are welcome. There is never any charge for Swamiji's blessings. For further information, contact: 641-233-1025. Svaroopa Yoga (641) 472-7499. Tetra Building Meditation Room. Daily morning and afternoon meditation facility for the practice of the TM-Sidhi meditation. A quiet, clean and convenient and unaffiliated place, `to do program'. Contact David Hawthorne for use and membership information: 472-3799. Transcendental Meditation Programs: TMmovement: 472-1174 Transformational Prayer in Fairfield For information on Fairfield activities, call 472-0662. Wednesday Night Satsang - Every Wednesday starting at 8pm CentralTime. Kirkwood Apartments at 304 W Kirkwood just east of Sidha Insurance near 4th and Kirkwood Apartment #10 third floor first door on the left. those who haven't quite got it complete the search. Contact - 919- 6917 The Active Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Answer to the Jyotish Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Barry, I knew that even before you typed the email to the moderators. JR John, what specifically did you know -before- Barry typed the email to the moderators? PS Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Since it appears that JohnR is not going to respond to my challenge with his analysis of my friend's medical condition as indicated in her Jyotish chart, and I want to finish up my participation in all existing threads on FFL before the new year starts, I will post the answer. ( It goes without saying that any subsequent attempts by JohnR or any other Jyotishi to say, Oh, I saw that in the chart, but I was just late in posting my response should be greeted with howls of derisive laughter. :-) The medical issue my friend is dealing with is called being pregnant. Other than that simple and fairly common medical issue, she is 100% healthy. Her doctors, both allopathic and from the world of alternative medicine, believe that she will have a normal home birth, but just in case, arrangements have been made by the midwives at a nearby hospital in case she requires surgery. We all hope that isn't necessary. Below is the text I sent to the FFL moderators. The only thing I changed in it was to delete my friend's last name (for privacy, and to keep stalkers away from her) and to insert the word best in front of friend, because she really is my best friend. I'm heading off in a few min- utes to spend the rest of the year with her, even though that'll only be five hours. :-) Had JohnR analyzed the chart and posted that he found indicators of disease, that would have been partly because I described her condition as a medical issue. Well, duh, it is. Giving birth IS a medical issue, and never a 100% safe one. But IMO the only reason he would have found indicators of disease in her chart would have been because *he was looking for them*, and projecting them onto a chart in which they did not appear. Similarly, when Judy and Raunchydog accused me of violating my friend's privacy by making her medical condition public, they were *looking for things to demonize me with*, and projecting them onto the situation in the form of the bogus privacy straw man. Please join me in laughing at their attempts to portray me as a Bad Guy for violating my friend's medical privacy. It's hard to *miss* the medical condition of someone who is eight and a half months pregnant; keeping it private is just not an option unless you are wearing a tent. :-) The original letter to the FFL moderators follows, in case someone actually wants them to confirm that this is what I sent to them earlier. As noted above, the only thing in it I have changed is to delete my friend's last name out of concern that one or more TBs here would start stalking her the same way that they stalk me and Vaj and Paul Mason and John Knapp and others who have dared to be critical of TM or its ludicrous extra added cost products like Jyotish. I still think that this would have been an interest- ing test, if JohnR had had the cojones to respond to it. But he didn't. I think that speaks for itself about the depth of *his* belief in the accuracy and efficacy of Jyotish. But the interesting test that DID take place was how a few TM True Believers here responded to the idea of Jyotish being put to the test. If John's lack of a response speaks volumes, theirs fills libraries. Happy New Year, Unc/Turq/Barry *** Sent to Rick, Alex, and gullible_fool: As mentioned on FFL, I am challenging JohnR to use the birth data below to pinpoint the nature of the medical condition that my friend is deal- ing with. The birth data: Born: Suffern, New York, USA September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) The person, and their medical condition: This is the birth data for my best friend Laurel, who is very, very pregnant and about to give birth. Both medical doctors and alternative care providers have assured her that all is perfectly fine with the pregnancy, and that there is no danger to either mother or (soon) daughter. A normal birth is planned, but as I said there is the possibility of required surgery if things don't go as planned. As I understand Jyotish, *if it works* John should have no problem with noticing this medical condition in her chart, even if I did not specify the sex of the person. In fact another Jyotish practitioner DID, in fact, predict the pregnancy from her chart a year before it happened. She wasn't trying to get pregnant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Think about it...if you're Walking Away from a smelly old dead shark, do you really want to call a lot of people's attention to it? :-) Difference is that you were kicked out, told to leave. exactly. his eloquence has as a liar served him well up until now. now, no one knows what to believe. until B. proves it conclusively, i'm agreeing that he was probably kicked out of the Movement with his tail between his legs. has B. done ANYTHING here on FFL quietly? not to my knowledge. it isn't his way. he made the TMO wrong, and they kicked him out, with orders not to approach Maharishi again. Really? OK guys name names 'cause I was there at the time. Just who kicked Barry out of the TMO. I'd love to know. I don't really think Barry was kicked out of the TMO. I agree with geezerfreak, let's see some direct evidence Mr Nablusoss. And what's wrong with getting kicked out of a bullshit, inept organization that's become a public embarrassment?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush in Exile?: Bush buys 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay
Movement to Try Bush War for Crimes: Unless Bush plans to make his escape to Paraguay while still 'President', his exit from the Oval Office will make him vulnerable to process for violations of the War Crimes Act of 1996 passed by both houses of Congress without dissent. The act covers every crime that may be charged to Bush as of this moment and as of the time Bush will exit the 'cover' of the Oval Office. The act deals specifically with his deliberate killing, torture or inhumane treatment of 'detainees' at Abu Ghraib, GITMO and the gulag archipelago of 'detention centers' throughout Eastern Europe. Violations of the War Crimes Act that result in the death of a detainee carry the death penalty and there is no statute of limitations. read more http://tinyurl.com/8wu4wm
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: It's possible that most TMers are not in fact transcending in the full sense of that word and are merely experiencing thought-free states. [snip]transcending/transcendence/ transcendent are all English words, and thus divorced from the original Sanskrit definition/descriptions, you can make them mean whatever you want to and you can also assign whatever neurophysiological finding you want as well. Vaj (or anyone), are the original Sanskrit definitions and descriptions of transcendence? How about svaruupapratiSThaa of citi-shakti? (puruSaartha-shuunyaanaaM guNaanaaM pratiprasavaH kaivalyaM *svaruupapratiSThaa vaa citi-shakter* iti.) What does this ^ translate to, cardemaister?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: Ex teachers, Curtis, Turq, others, how much of the TTC was devoted to learning to teach? How hard is it to teach? It seems routine and easy to me. I spent every bit of my teacher training courses learning how to teach. We had to memorize most everything, which was hard for me. My TM teacher training took place in three phases: Phase 1 was where we learned to give introductory lectures and conduct the checking procedure. Phase 2 was a practicum in the field, where we presented intro lectures, checked people and administered programs such as seasonal celebrations at the TM Center. Phase 3 was where we learned how to conduct the six steps of teaching that follow the intro lecture: the prep lecture, the personal interview, the puja and instruction, and the three nights of follow-up meetings. Phase 3 took three months, with zero days off. My courses were structured in a no-man-left- behind fashion. Once I passed my tests and demonstrated my mastery of the material at hand, I became a tester for others and helped them pass their tests. Hence, I was always busy. We were all busy. We didn't have a lot of time in the day, either, because we were rounding much of the time. TM teacher training for me was a cross between military service and graduate school. Very intense. I grew a lot. I thought that trying to pass memorization tests while way up in rounds was insane. It seemed to amplify any nervousness one might have whereas testing down in rounds would have been much easier. It was sort of like trying to walk a tight rope while drunk. Maybe so, but everyone managed to pass his tests, thanks in part to the structure described above, whereby people who mastered the material then focused on helping their course mates master it in turn. Sounds like its own form of testing/training under induced stress. Lawson The unstressing did lead to behavior that was perhaps less graceful than desired. One day at lunch during my TTC Phase 3, a few of us were remarking on the clumsiness we were exhibiting, bumping into people and spilling our food. A man in my study group said he had simply resolved to stop behaving that way, and the resolution worked - no more clumsiness. I took my cue from Jeff (his name), and learned a valuable lesson: I could simply decide to behave in a certain way, and that resolution could carry forward into my behavior. No surprise, I suppose, if it's true that consciousness is the foundation of life, and intention gives direction to consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice Groups of FF
This is the perfect object lesson in how the knowledge was lost. MMY knew it was inevitable. Sample the spiritual soup folks. Close your eyes to meditate and wonder, What spiritual practice should I do today? Mantra, silent, or chant? Felt sense of third eye, navel, or anus? Take your pick and while you're at it, imagine the bubble diagram refining your thoughts to the source of thought. TRY to keep the mind from jumping around like a monkey on crack, TRY to be in UNITY, and TRY to be innocent. Don't mind the confusion, it's all the SELF, RIGHT? Whatever floats your boat. Enjoy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: Ex teachers, Curtis, Turq, others, how much of the TTC was devoted to learning to teach? How hard is it to teach? It seems routine and easy to me. I spent every bit of my teacher training courses learning how to teach. We had to memorize most everything, which was hard for me. [snip] We didn't have a lot of time in the day, either, because we were rounding much of the time. And Patrick, everything you just described, if you took out most of the rounding as well as the brainwashing, could have been accomplished in about 2 weeks. Nothing like wasting huge amounts of time, while convincing gullible recruits it's good for them. Sal The rounding was the reason I attended teacher training, so I would have been loath to skip that. And the brainwashing, by which I assume you mean the time spent watching videotapes of Maharishi, was necessary to learn how to represent Maharishi, which is what TM teacher training is all about. It's funny - you use the term brainwashing, Sal, in its pejorative sense, but it's the reason I pursued TM teacher training - to have my nervous system cleansed.
[FairfieldLife] 'Now Bubba Wants Hill's Senate Seat'
Bill and Hill play musical chairs... Bill Clinton A Possible N.Y. Senate 'Caretaker?' Democrats Pushing Paterson To Name Temp Replacement For Hillary; Scenario Sets Up Wild Election In 2010 NEW YORK (CBS/AP) ― Sen. Bill Clinton? Don't completely rule it out. The former president is among several boldface names being touted as possible caretakers for New York's Senate seat -- people who would serve until the 2010 elections but wouldn't be interested in running to keep the job. As the process of picking Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's replacement gets messier, the option may become increasingly attractive to Gov. David Paterson, who has sole authority to name a successor. A big name like Bill Clinton or Democratic former Gov. Mario Cuomo could have an immediate impact for New York in the Senate while letting the large field of hopefuls duke it out in 2010, according to three Democratic Party advisers in New York and Washington who are close to the discussion with Paterson's inner circle on this issue. Two others in the party confirmed that Paterson is still considering the caretaker option. The advisers spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to comment. You could find a very senior person who could serve New York well on an interim basis, said Gerald Benjamin, a political scientist and dean at the State University of New York at New Paltz. Then you can say to Caroline Kennedy, `You know, you'd make a good senator. Run for it.' And you can tell everyone else that it's a level playing field. Paterson has made it clear in recent days that he's getting annoyed by the constant jockeying by supporters of high-powered hopefuls including Kennedy, half a dozen members of Congress and state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, son of the former governor. The candidates -- especially Kennedy -- have made daily headlines as Paterson tries to focus on a fiscal crisis of historic proportions, his first budget proposal and preparations for his first full legislative session as governor. He took office last spring after disgraced Gov. Eliot Spitzer resigned. The caretaker option was exercised last month by Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner, who picked a former aide to Vice President-elect Joe Biden to succeed him in the Senate until a new senator is elected in 2010. By then, Biden's son, state Attorney General Beau Biden, will have returned from a tour in Iraq with the National Guard -- just in time to run for his father's seat. A week ago, Paterson said he favored appointing a senator soon after Clinton is confirmed to start building seniority, and he ruled out an interim placeholder. Under state law, there will be an election to fill the last two years of Hillary Clinton's term in 2010 and another for a full six-year term in 2012. The process, however, wasn't supposed to be a big distraction. Some of the other names circulating as possible caretakers among party operatives include the state's retired top jurist, Judith Kaye, and former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey, now president of the New School in New York City. Mario Cuomo and Kaye declined through spokesmen Tuesday to discuss the Senate seat; Bill Clinton, Kerrey and Paterson did not respond to questions Tuesday and Wednesday. Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College poll, said the caretaker option wouldn't surprise him. To pick a caretaker is to say ... win it in the court of public opinion. An interim appointment also could sidestep an internal struggle in New York's Democratic Party. Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver -- the longest-serving and most powerful legislative leader in the state -- has reservations about Kennedy, and Paterson needs Silver if he wants to battle powerful labor interests to turn around the state's fiscal problems. But Kennedy's supporters include New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-independent who is another important ally for Paterson. Meanwhile, the handicapping continues about the prospects of some of the lesser-known contenders. Rep. Carolyn Maloney of New York City, who is known as a tenacious legislator, has been endorsed by three women's advocacy groups: the National Organization for Women, the Feminist Majority and the National Women's Political Caucus. Political observers say Paterson is under pressure to pick a woman because all the state's top leaders -- except Clinton -- are men. In the political blog Connecting.the.dots, media critic and editor Robert Stein wrote Sunday that a caretaker would show that Paterson has the best interests of the state in mind during the fiscal crisis, while letting powerful political families fight it out in an election two years down the road. Doug Muzzio, professor of politics at Baruch College, isn't
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Think about it...if you're Walking Away from a smelly old dead shark, do you really want to call a lot of people's attention to it? :-) Difference is that you were kicked out, told to leave. exactly. his eloquence has as a liar served him well up until now. now, no one knows what to believe. until B. proves it conclusively, i'm agreeing that he was probably kicked out of the Movement with his tail between his legs. has B. done ANYTHING here on FFL quietly? not to my knowledge. it isn't his way. he made the TMO wrong, and they kicked him out, with orders not to approach Maharishi again. Really? OK guys name names 'cause I was there at the time. Just who kicked Barry out of the TMO. I'd love to know. I don't really think Barry was kicked out of the TMO. I agree with geezerfreak, let's see some direct evidence Mr Nablusoss. And what's wrong with getting kicked out of a bullshit, inept organization that's become a public embarrassment? so you are just making a judgment based on who you like better? and there may or may not be anything wrong getting kicked out, depending on the circumstances.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush in Exile?: Bush buys 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay
unfortunately bush will be charged with nothing. the same system that freed oj will do nothing against bush. we will have to be satisfied with his karmic results, which may be far worse than a judicial sentence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Movement to Try Bush War for Crimes: Unless Bush plans to make his escape to Paraguay while still 'President', his exit from the Oval Office will make him vulnerable to process for violations of the War Crimes Act of 1996 passed by both houses of Congress without dissent. The act covers every crime that may be charged to Bush as of this moment and as of the time Bush will exit the 'cover' of the Oval Office. The act deals specifically with his deliberate killing, torture or inhumane treatment of 'detainees' at Abu Ghraib, GITMO and the gulag archipelago of 'detention centers' throughout Eastern Europe. Violations of the War Crimes Act that result in the death of a detainee carry the death penalty and there is no statute of limitations. read more http://tinyurl.com/8wu4wm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: Ex teachers, Curtis, Turq, others, how much of the TTC was devoted to learning to teach? How hard is it to teach? It seems routine and easy to me. I spent every bit of my teacher training courses learning how to teach. We had to memorize most everything, which was hard for me. [snip] We didn't have a lot of time in the day, either, because we were rounding much of the time. And Patrick, everything you just described, if you took out most of the rounding as well as the brainwashing, could have been accomplished in about 2 weeks. Nothing like wasting huge amounts of time, while convincing gullible recruits it's good for them. Sal The rounding was the reason I attended teacher training, so I would have been loath to skip that. And the brainwashing, by which I assume you mean the time spent watching videotapes of Maharishi, was necessary to learn how to represent Maharishi, which is what TM teacher training is all about. It's funny - you use the term brainwashing, Sal, in its pejorative sense, but it's the reason I pursued TM teacher training - to have my nervous system cleansed. yeah Patrick, you come across as sooo brainwashed...sal is just cynical to the point of being self destructive.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: digitizing Vedic chanting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I'm aware of all of that. My question was specific. What was the point someone brought up years ago about some particular type of tone? I believe Maharishi referred to them as light tones or something and said that digitizing would be acceptable only if they were maintained. The digital broadcast of Vedic chanting via the Maharishi Channel is one of the reasons I'm asking about this. i've downloaded many of the chants (mp3) and they definitely do their stuff. sounds like a full spectrum sound to my (untrained) ear. Allegedly standard digitized music misses things that true vinyl aficionados can catch. Hagelin did some work to add analog circuitry to high end CD players a while back. What *I* heard was that the subtleties of the human voice were deemed to be most important for analog playback by MMY, which is why you have the Dome tapes on tape, while GV instrumentalist recordings are distributed by CD/DVD. L. I asked someone at ayurvedic enterprises why they were starting to sell chanting on CD all of a sudden as MMY was clear that CD was an innacurate representation of sound. (I imagine the fact that the 48khz sampling rate of CD cuts of high frequencies might have had something to do with the original choice to keep it on tape.) The reason was that MMY said the technology had improved enough for it to go digital. It hasn't actually changed, if it had new CDs wouldn't play on old equipment and vice versa, so I assumed it was purely a commercial decision. Then you hear the awful quality that the channel broadcast with, which is sub-youtube I wonder why they ever had a problem with CD standard PCM in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
Vaj wrote: It's possible that most TMers are not in fact transcending in the full sense of that word and are merely experiencing thought-free states. [snip]transcending/transcendence/ transcendent are all English words, and thus divorced from the original Sanskrit definition/descriptions, you can make them mean whatever you want to and you can also assign whatever neurophysiological finding you want as well. Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj (or anyone), are the original Sanskrit definitions and descriptions of transcendence? There is only one, single transcendence and one single Transcendent. There cannot be more than one, single 'Absolute Reality', otherwise you fall into dulaism, a discredited view. There are no 'original' Sanskrit definitions of 'transcendence' - the earliest descriptions of transcending in Indian literature are in the early Buddhist Sutras - Nirvana and Samadhi. The Buddha Gotama is the first historical yogin in India. The Vedas were composed many years before the emergence of the yogic enlightenment tradition. The Vedas are concerned with the sacrifice, not transcendence, and the comings and goings of the supernal forces of nature. There is no 'enlightenment tradition' found in the Vedas. The Upanishads, which were composed after the historical Buddha, contain the Hindu notions of transcending. All the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. They all agreed that the Absolute was beyond the physical universe percieved by the senses. Then came Patanjali and Yoga, around 200 BCE. The definition of transcendence is found in the first few verses of the Yoga Sutra: Yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind stuff. According to Patanjali, transcendance is the 'cessation' of the thinking process - 'nirodha' in Sanskrit, where discursive thoughts cease. According to Marshy, when this happens, the Self is alone, isolated, a witness to itself. Read more; Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Cessation Author: Willytex Date: May 14, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/7uzd39 Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Yoga Sutra I.1.23 Author: Willytex Date: June 9, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/9jygzh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Think about it...if you're Walking Away from a smelly old dead shark, do you really want to call a lot of people's attention to it? :-) Difference is that you were kicked out, told to leave. exactly. his eloquence has as a liar served him well up until now. now, no one knows what to believe. until B. proves it conclusively, i'm agreeing that he was probably kicked out of the Movement with his tail between his legs. has B. done ANYTHING here on FFL quietly? not to my knowledge. it isn't his way. he made the TMO wrong, and they kicked him out, with orders not to approach Maharishi again. Really? OK guys name names 'cause I was there at the time. Just who kicked Barry out of the TMO. I'd love to know. I don't really think Barry was kicked out of the TMO. I agree with geezerfreak, let's see some direct evidence Mr Nablusoss. And what's wrong with getting kicked out of a bullshit, inept organization that's become a public embarrassment? so you are just making a judgment based on who you like better? and there may or may not be anything wrong getting kicked out, depending on the circumstances. No. I'm asking for -direct evidence- that Barry was kicked out. No one has provided any. What YOU and Nablusoss are doing which DOES appear to be because you don't like Barry, is no different than when people smeared Obama by proclaiming that he is a Muslim - *without providing* any substantial, verifiable evidence. -SHOW- your evidence so I can legitimately accept your claim Plus, I worked for the TMO for about twelve years beginning in 1969 [Humboldt/Estes Park TTC 1971], until I could no longer stomach the bullshit. I personally consider TM a gift from God to humanity. I also think that something awful that I've never been able to pinpoint or understand happened to Maharishi where he went from an apparent genuine and sincere advanced Guru with a very powerful and pure teaching, to a greedy, off-the-track peddler of bullshit for cash. Today's TMO appears to me to be nothing more than a for-show circus of crapola to get-megacash-from-wealthy-suckers enterprise. Maharishi couldn't establish world peace legitimately, so he created a bizarre *pretend* world with *pretend* governors and kings and countries that has no basis in the actual reality of the world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: digitizing Vedic chanting
in adition... listening Rig Ved is not any more part of game... it's Vishnu Sahasranam...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: No. I'm asking for -direct evidence- that Barry was kicked out. No one has provided any. nor has Barry provided any proof that he wasn't kicked out. there is so much rumor, innuendo and half truth that circulates on FFL regarding TM and the Maharishi, so i am now looking for proof that B wasn't kicked out, instead of taking his word, or opinions like yours. until someone comes up with proof (vs. rumor, opinion, innuendo and half truth) that Barry wasn't kicked out of the TMO and told to stay away from the Maharishi, those are the facts. What YOU and Nablusoss are doing which DOES appear to be because you don't like Barry, is no different than when people smeared Obama by proclaiming that he is a Muslim - *without providing* any substantial, verifiable evidence. -SHOW- your evidence so I can legitimately accept your claim Nabby has some different ideas from others here, but i don't see him as the habitual liar B is. so the burden of proof remains with B. Plus, I worked for the TMO for about twelve years beginning in 1969 [Humboldt/Estes Park TTC 1971], until I could no longer stomach the bullshit. I personally consider TM a gift from God to humanity. I also think that something awful that I've never been able to pinpoint or understand happened to Maharishi where he went from an apparent genuine and sincere advanced Guru with a very powerful and pure teaching, to a greedy, off-the-track peddler of bullshit for cash. Today's TMO appears to me to be nothing more than a for-show circus of crapola to get-megacash-from-wealthy-suckers enterprise. Maharishi couldn't establish world peace legitimately, so he created a bizarre *pretend* world with *pretend* governors and kings and countries that has no basis in the actual reality of the world. that is certailny one way to look at it, and one i am sure he was aware of.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: There is only one, single transcendence and one single Transcendent. There cannot be more than one, single 'Absolute Reality', otherwise you fall into dulaism, a discredited view. There are no 'original' Sanskrit definitions of 'transcendence' - the earliest descriptions of transcending in Indian literature are in the early Buddhist Sutras - Nirvana and Samadhi. The Buddha Gotama is the first historical yogin in India. The Vedas were composed many years before the emergence of the yogic enlightenment tradition. The Vedas are concerned with the sacrifice, not transcendence, and the comings and goings of the supernal forces of nature. There is no 'enlightenment tradition' found in the Vedas. The Upanishads, which were composed after the historical Buddha, contain the Hindu notions of transcending. All the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. They all agreed that the Absolute was beyond the physical universe percieved by the senses. Then came Patanjali and Yoga, around 200 BCE. The definition of transcendence is found in the first few verses of the Yoga Sutra: Yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind stuff. According to Patanjali, transcendance is the 'cessation' of the thinking process - 'nirodha' in Sanskrit, where discursive thoughts cease. According to Marshy, when this happens, the Self is alone, isolated, a witness to itself. Read more; Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Cessation Author: Willytex Date: May 14, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/7uzd39 Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Yoga Sutra I.1.23 Author: Willytex Date: June 9, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/9jygzh willytex, Excellent post. P.S. I have yet to receive notice from Rick that Barry made good on his promise to pay $10 Euros to anyone saying she slept with you. He can claim it on his 2009 tax return if he makes the check payable to: http://tinyurl.com/74jywh
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: With all due respect to the feelings involved, this sounds to me like Just One More Revenge Fantasy, on a chat group that already has far too many of them. Yeah, but as revenge fantasies go, this is one of the better ones (tee hee!). Do you find revenge fantasies attractive when they are played out on this group by posters here? I think he was just kidding--lighten up, Barry! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: **snip Holy Cow! Happy New Year Edg! The closest I ever came to seeing what you are saying, was back in the early '80's... When a friend of mine, who lived in Fairfield, at the time, Marcus Lehrman, well he kind of saw through a lot of what was taking place. I remember being at a meeting, in Frat 151, with Maharishi and the 'Business People of Fairfield', at that time... So, Marcus was standing in back of the room, with kind of an attitude, and he was kind of just observing, when someone mentioned his name: 'Maharishi', there's someone here named Marcus...he's started some businesses here; are you here Marcus? So, I remember he could have said anything to Maharishi at that point, but the group consciousness there, seemed like it would not allow such an interaction to take place. Marcus just said a few words about how it was going, but there was no hint of any confrontation. Anyway, your passionate tone, let me think back to that time, long ago and far away... R.G. **end Hey, Robert, are you still in touch with Marcus? We were good friends in Fairfield and moved out to Washington/Oregon about the same time soon after the time you mention (above) and about 6 months before the Taste of Tapioca course (my family came back for the course but Marcus and his family didn't, IIRC). We haven't talked in several years now and I've been thinking of looking him up and seeing if he's still surfing. He's up somewhere around Lincoln City along the Oregon coast. If you happen to have his contact information I'd be very happy to get it from you off forum at my email address. Happy New Year to you and yours. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: No. I'm asking for -direct evidence- that Barry was kicked out. No one has provided any. nor has Barry provided any proof that he wasn't kicked out. There is no proof that you aren't a prostitute who works the streets at night, either. How about I proclaim it over and over again that you are a prostitute -*without any evidence*- and then demand that YOU prove that I'm wrong, eh? And then again I proclaim that until someone comes up with proof (vs. rumor, opinion, innuendo and half truth) that ED isn't a prostitutes who walks the streets at night, those are the facts. there is so much rumor, innuendo and half truth that circulates on FFL regarding TM and the Maharishi, so i am now looking for proof that B wasn't kicked out, instead of taking his word, or opinions like yours. until someone comes up with proof (vs. rumor, opinion, innuendo and half truth) that Barry wasn't kicked out of the TMO and told to stay away from the Maharishi, those are the facts. What YOU and Nablusoss are doing which DOES appear to be because you don't like Barry, is no different than when people smeared Obama by proclaiming that he is a Muslim - *without providing* any substantial, verifiable evidence. -SHOW- your evidence so I can legitimately accept your claim
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: It's possible that most TMers are not in fact transcending in the full sense of that word and are merely experiencing thought-free states. [snip]transcending/transcendence/ transcendent are all English words, and thus divorced from the original Sanskrit definition/descriptions, you can make them mean whatever you want to and you can also assign whatever neurophysiological finding you want as well. Vaj (or anyone), are the original Sanskrit definitions and descriptions of transcendence? How about svaruupapratiSThaa of citi-shakti? (puruSaartha-shuunyaanaaM guNaanaaM pratiprasavaH kaivalyaM *svaruupapratiSThaa vaa citi-shakter* iti.) What does this ^ translate to, cardemaister? Taimni translates it like this: /Kaivalya/ is the state (of Enlightenment) following the re-mergence of the /guNas/ because of their becoming devoid of the object of the /puruSa/. In this state the puruSa is established in his Real nature which is pure Consciousness. Finis [of Yoga-suutras].
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009. Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to: http://tinyurl.com/74jywh
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush in Exile?: Bush buys 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay
And we will get a new generation of kids learning that crime pays. enlightened_dawn11 wrote: unfortunately bush will be charged with nothing. the same system that freed oj will do nothing against bush. we will have to be satisfied with his karmic results, which may be far worse than a judicial sentence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I live a very good life thank you very much, so, by your definition, I've got my revenge, but I'm not laughing. I feel total pity for those still in the fucking business' grasp. If you're not laughing, doesn't that mean that you're still in the fucking business' grasp? No one can take that laughter away from you but yourself. But if what you want to accomplish is to lose your ability to laugh, dwelling on revenge fantasies is the most effective way to achieve it. In theory there's no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. - anonymous
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. (snip) There are many people, right now, in every part of the country, that are experiencing depression, at this time... This is part of the process of letting go of the past, dysfunctional patterns, and fear of change. We are in a time of great change, on all levels of reality, as people move into higher states of consciousness, and raise the vibration, so as to cause others to 'unstress' like crazy... Best thing to do, is realize, 'your not the only one', going through this at this time. It is good when 'fear' comes up, to 'feel it', don't run away... As you feel the fear, it will dissipate and help to raise your vibration, thereby using the fear for growth. Feel where the fear is in the body...like when it is difficult to think the mantra, then just allow the attention to go to the area of the body, that is uneasy, and that will help release the stuck energy there, and come back to the mantra, when it is comfortable. Also, I believe there is a lot of polarization in the community there, and this increases the intensity of the illusion of seperateness... R.G. And here I thought it was due to people losing a lot of money in their retirement accounts (or more precisely being robbed of their money). Or the fact that instead of retiring they'll have to work until they drop dead that is if they can find any work because no one hires old farts these days. People shouldn't be depressed, they should be angry. But maybe an asteroid will pop in and correct things. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: No. I'm asking for -direct evidence- that Barry was kicked out. No one has provided any. nor has Barry provided any proof that he wasn't kicked out. there is so much rumor, innuendo and half truth that circulates on FFL regarding TM and the Maharishi, so i am now looking for proof that B wasn't kicked out, instead of taking his word, or opinions like yours. until someone comes up with proof (vs. rumor, opinion, innuendo and half truth) that Barry wasn't kicked out of the TMO and told to stay away from the Maharishi, those are the facts. What YOU and Nablusoss are doing which DOES appear to be because you don't like Barry, is no different than when people smeared Obama by proclaiming that he is a Muslim - *without providing* any substantial, verifiable evidence. -SHOW- your evidence so I can legitimately accept your claim Nabby has some different ideas from others here, but i don't see him as the habitual liar B is. so the burden of proof remains with B. I was not there at the time, and I do not care why the Turq dissappeared. The main thing is that he did, and I seriously find that the Movement was better off without yet another loose canon on deck. So I also do not have any p r o o f that he was asked to stay away for security reasons, perhaps the reasons were manysided. Again I don't care. The problem for the Turq is that this version has been ciculating for years from many different americans present at the time, including one fellow that with his full name claimed the same thing here on FFL. A fellow you should be able to seek out from the archives if you so wished. The same fellow also claimed that the Turqs claim to be some kind of doorman for Maharishi was an outright lie as he was consciously kept outside the door and not let into the room. Security concerns have been hinted several times as the reason for this. Again I don't care. And I don't think the Turq does either given this happened more than 30 years ago and his repeated claims that he moved on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush in Exile?: Bush buys 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And we will get a new generation of kids learning that crime pays. Crime pays if you can afford to buy 100,000 acres in Paraguay and Congress gets payola from corporate enablers of criminals like Bush. As long as we don't have federally funded elections, we can't expect anything but more corruption in government. Obama shot down an opportunity for election reform when he reneged on his promise to take public funding for his campaign against McCain. http://tinyurl.com/5u93zb
[FairfieldLife] What did you take with you from TM
We spend many posts here debating the legitimacy of the TM technique, the cult of TM and the scam. But from time to time I find myself relating to ideas that were first introduced to me during the time I was in the movement. Here are a few: 1) The law of thermodynamics. I might have missed this unless I had taken specific classes during my arts laden education. Not of course unique with the TM movement but I often notice how much entropy I find in things particularly society these days. 2) The concept of stress release. Actually not taught in other traditions I know of where it might be spoken of as samskaras dissolving. This is very helpful when using very advanced yogic techniques when stress may be coming out in blocks and when we need to back away from the technique to allow them to come out and continuing with the technique may actually block their release. 3) Cultural integration, which is something I see going on daily on the planet. And we also see some cultural rejection too. 4) On my TTC, probably due more to length and the diverse number of professionals on it I actually gained some good information on how to run an organization which was also applicable to business. That helped me with a management position much later on in life. Again these things aren't necessarily unique with TM but were introduced while I was involved and I might not have learned otherwise. Anyone else have some to share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: First of all, this comes from an oral tradition...and when you learn TM, the mantra is imparted, infused with the 'Shakti' that happens... It vibrates the system to receive the instruction, in a different way, then could be obtained from a book... And it is wise to stick with your mantra, until you are established enough, to change... But, when one is established in a higher state of consciousness, and when one is experiencing the name/form, as in the Siddhis... Then it is different... I am sure when Maharishi and Muktananda were together, there would be little problem with this issue, between them, as you see, they would have a deeper understanding of the essence of vibration... Everything in essence is just vibration, but you need to establish 'null vibration' in order to vibrate from the witness. I believe Maharishi established TM, as the most universal way, to impart the mantra, the technique for using the mantra...and sticking to the original mantra, will be of benefit. As changing mantras before you are established, Will just serve to dilute the process, of effortless transcending. So, since knowledge is different in different states of consciousness, this applies here... In a higher state of consciousness, the rules of this reality, change. R.G. Very well said, thanks for posting this !
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect = Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming
Stock market goes up? It's due to the numbers in the domes! Stock market crashes? Why, that's just purification brought about by the numbers in the dome! Temperatures go up? It's due to catastrophic man-made global warming! Temperatures go down? Why, it's due to the imbalance caused by catastrophic man-made global warming!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: digitizing Vedic chanting
Hugo wrote: . I asked someone at ayurvedic enterprises why they were starting to sell chanting on CD all of a sudden as MMY was clear that CD was an innacurate representation of sound. (I imagine the fact that the 48khz sampling rate of CD cuts of high frequencies might have had something to do with the original choice to keep it on tape.) The reason was that MMY said the technology had improved enough for it to go digital. It hasn't actually changed, if it had new CDs wouldn't play on old equipment and vice versa, so I assumed it was purely a commercial decision. Then you hear the awful quality that the channel broadcast with, which is sub-youtube I wonder why they ever had a problem with CD standard PCM in the first place. And you can digitize sound in 96K 24 bit these days or higher. I always doubted some of the LP aficionados claims because the quality of the vinyl would have to be taken into effect plus the limitations of mechanical parts involved. The hi-fi enthusiasts and HDTV enthusiasts nowadays buy equipment by the specs for their ego and not for what they can actually hear or see. Can anyone here tell the difference between a 60hz LCD HD set and a 120hz or even 240hz other than the price tag?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009. Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to: http://tinyurl.com/74jywh Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread. And especial thanks to Raunch for posting the URL to Amma because now I finally get it. I get the attraction you people have for Amma and why the TMO is the anti-Christ (in metaphorical terms) and Amma is the Christ. The TMO represents no heart, despite Dr. BM's lispy (my friends and I have never believed that he was straight, but that's a different matter) endless gushing. The TMO can and does the expedient thing because just as a TB has no sense of humor (Eric Hoffer), someone without heart finds doing the expedient so very easy. I am still a visitor to the TMO. I've read about the cult aspects of the TMO (and believe it to be a cult and that no matter how much Peter and others would say that I'm not a member of a cult because I don't do culty things). I've also read extensively about the Church of Scientology. I appreciate the laying it all out here on the New Year, but I feel that there is no value in trying to destroy the TMO unless you can get a good enough shot to bring it all down, and I don't think that can happen. The crowd I run with are TBs (though many visit Amma and other saints). Were I to reveal how I really feel, they would all get up and walk away without saying good bye. And the world is full of this sort of people. There just might be a force of evil like a rakshasha as Maharish asserted GW Bush was. Despite having memorized the Baltimore Catechism for my holy communion I could never convince myself to believe in evil and especially embodiments of evil which have a life and a force of their own. But as I see the Church of Scientology, the TMO and GW Bush, I now have to consider that rakshashas really do exist. I feel that you can try to destroy the TMO, the Church of Scientology and other nasty and destructive cults, but that they are like tornados, hurricanes and tidal waves. If you get rid of one here, another will pop up there. These things, these organizations, these people appear to be part of the Cosmic Plan. Stop them one place, if you can, they'll pop up in another. Some of you unwittingly and unknowingly fucked my TM friends and myself over the years. Hurt dies hard. I too easily feel the pain of others and so many times I felt the pain of people who worked for the TMO but the credits for TTC or ATRs or the sidhis disappeared and these people had worked for nothing and had no recourse. It does me good to see that there's remorse and that most likely as you go through the TMO it's tough to find the real brains behind evil doing because it's a group dynamic where people are either just following orders or just doing what's expected of their role. Raunch has the best solution, IMO, even though I visited Amma and felt nothing and still feel nothing for her. Don't be consumed with hate. Find love. Let love fill your heart. Let love conquer the world. I'm going to do as Raunch suggested and make a donation to Amma's causes and maybe Amma's love will help me overcome and forget how mean and rude and crude the TMO has been to me and mine. If not Amma, then find someone else who draws out your love. You can't concentrate or have your attention on two things at once. Place your attention on love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Again these things aren't necessarily unique with TM but were introduced while I was involved and I might not have learned otherwise. Anyone else have some to share? I learned to do TM. Still do. Love it. The rest? Mudpies and child's play to flummox the doubters and naysayers. Just Being is damn hard to do for a lot of folks still fumbling in the dark for the light switch. Personally, I like to keep my field of greater happiness charming, and leave the nitpicking to others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
Bingo! Points for Turq, cuz, yes, I am still giving the fucking business some space in my consciousness, and that it is indeed self-abuse when I indulge in it such that I get riled up -- rarely these days except when I hit the keyboard. Say, you're not holding out on us are you? Do you have a secret mental technique to sell me? Does ya got one? -- one that will allow me to look into the eyes of my children and explain to them how I am sinless for my involving them in a shuck and jive religion that routinely breaks any law or moral it wants to while expecting TBs to be silent about it? I'd pay $10,000 on the barrelhead for just such a technique. Sigh.there's so many whose eyes I cannot look into lest they mention my poor spiritual decisions over the decades. I can laugh at some stuff, but in FF right this moment are thousands who are being promised LITERALLY EVERYTHING and are paying for that opportunity with all their recreational money, all their spare time and the silencing of their integrity -- all that for an empty promise that the Raja's business ethics and daily lives easily disprove. Anyone who wears a crown, or bows to one who does wear one, is part of a scam, and they fucking know it if they've been around the block even once. I knew it was a scam; you knew, we all knew -- had to know, because due to the quality of the lives of TBs and due to our own looks in the mirror, we all had proof enough that the 5-8 years had passed us by long long ago. Some part of me, even now, is waiting for a hover by anyone -- even a Scientologist -- geeze I'm still a sucker with this inner romantic urge that wants something, anything, to show me the least proof of magic in a world that can only be saved by a miracle when marauders are in power. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I live a very good life thank you very much, so, by your definition, I've got my revenge, but I'm not laughing. I feel total pity for those still in the fucking business' grasp. If you're not laughing, doesn't that mean that you're still in the fucking business' grasp? No one can take that laughter away from you but yourself. But if what you want to accomplish is to lose your ability to laugh, dwelling on revenge fantasies is the most effective way to achieve it. In theory there's no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. - anonymous
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: As to whether TM produces regular transcendence, it depends on the person and how, as you say, you define transcendence. I have asked people about their experiences. Some say they never transcend. Many who quit early probably had no rewarding experiences. Others say they got into a trancey kind of zone. Others say that they found it relaxing and day dreamy. Others say they transcend making the experience sound important. But there is no real test for transcendence. So we don't know if TM produces regular transcendence. And we don't know if transcendence is important or just an artifact of our mind. I hope I have sniped the above quote in a way that correctly identifies it. This subject of what we experience when we practice TM, and what transcending means, is one I have thought about too. What we experience when we do TM is what we experience when we do TM. A circular statement but there it is. Some quietness, some silence, some mantra, some thoughts. Sometimes some sleep. Sometimes no mantra, no thoughts, more quietness, more silence, in varying degrees, and with varying degrees of awe and reverence. It is what it is. We can (and as taught, do) label it transcending. The experience is different, and or perceived from a different perspective, by different people. I don't mean to make any more or any less of the experience than what it is. To transcend means to go beyond. Let's change the subject for a moment from TM and transcending. What is this? Where did I come from? Why am I here? Each of us, TM students or not, experience this transient life on this earth and then leave it. We bring nothing in, and we take nothing out. Unless you count character, that might survive, but there I speculate. Nothing visible is removed. I have 35 years of TM under my belt. I have experienced some quietness, some silence. I don't know where I came from. I don't know where I go when it's over. I have read and heard some stories, or perhaps answers, to those questions. In Sunday school as a little boy, in Maharishi's lectures and books. Transcending is a word. Words refer to things. The thing we experience, we experience. The thing we don't experience, we don't experience. We experience the TM experience. I know of no one who has seen where we came from, or where we go to, who has seen outside this transient existence. There is a certain universal life experience with a limit that we share with the rest of humanity. We as TM'ers do have a belief system, both in answer to those questions, and as a perspective on ourselves as a group in relation to those questions. And then we have the TM experience, which we label transcending. No one can argue with that. So long as we understand it for what it is Some of that may be cliched, I hope not too, but these experiences are ubiquitous, so it's hard to avoid cliche. Happy New Year to all, and may we all transcend more next year, and in every conceivable way, than last.
[FairfieldLife] Shame on You, Rick Warren
Slate Magazine fighting words Shame on You, Rick Warren Still more reasons to boot the huckster of Saddleback from the inauguration. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, Dec. 29, 2008, at 2:43 PM ET It seems to have been agreed by every single media outlet that only one group has the right to challenge Obama's promotion of Pastor Rick Warren, and that group is the constituency of politically organized homosexuals. But why should that be? Last week, I pointed out that Warren maintains that heaven is closed to Jews and that his main theological mentor was a crackpot end-of-days ranter. Why is this not to count against him as well? Do we need our presidential invocation to be given by a bigmouth clerical businessman who is, furthermore, a religious sectarian? Let me add a little more to the mix. In November 2006, Warren made a trip to Syria and was granted an audience with the human toothbrush who has inherited control of that country and all its citizens. Bashar Assad, the dictator of Syria, is also a religious sectarianhis power base is confined to the Alawite sectand in the intervals of murdering his critics in Lebanon, he does not expect to receive very many distinguished American or European guests. Of late, the most eminent I can think of have been David Duke, former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and George Galloway of Britain's so-called Respect Party, and I believe only Gallowayan old fan of Baathism in all its formsgot an audience with the Grand Toothbrush himself. Whatever time Warren managed to get with the dear bristled leader was not wastedyou should check out the hilarious parody of Don Quixote and Sancho Panza that accidentally results from the official photographand whatever hospitality he received from the Syrian authorities did not go unreturned. Syria, he told his viewers back home by video, is a moderate country, and the official government rule and position is to not allow extremism of any kind. This is a highly original way to describe a regime that is joined at the hip with the Iranian theocracy, that is the patron of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and that is the official and unabashed host of the fugitive Hamas leadership whose military wing directs massacre operations from Damascus itself. (One might also add that the Syrian Baath Party's veteran defense minister,* Mustafa Tlas, published a book under his own name that accused Jews of using the blood of non-Jewish children for the making of those ever-menacing Passover matzos. I suppose it depends how you define extremism.) According to an undenied report from the Syrian state news agency, SANA, Warren followed his Assad meeting with another get-together, this time with a mufti. The resulting press communiqué read like this: The Mufti called for conveying the real image of Syria, national unity and its call to spread peace, amity and justice to the American people which the US has distorted their image throughout the world. Pastor Warren expressed admiration of Syria and the coexistence he saw between Muslims and Christians, stressing that he will convey this image to his church and country. (As one who has spent time in Syria, I can confirm that the official translations are indeed of that abysmal level. But Warren cannot wriggle out in this fashion, because most of the worst of what he said was recorded and transmitted in his own voice.) Our good pastor also found the time to tell his captive audienceif I may use such an unoriginal phrase in a literal waythat 80 percent of his countrymen opposed the administration's policy in Iraq. Assume yourself, dear reader, to be one of that possible 80 percent. Did you ever ask to be spoken for by Warren, who was a guest of a regime that sponsors al-Qaida infiltrators in Iraq, or to see him denounce the administration in front of an audience of Syrians that had no choice but to listen to whatever it was told? For shame. And a shame, too, that on Inauguration Day we may also have to stand stillout of respect rather than fear, it is trueand listen to a man who is either a half-witted dupe, a hopeless naif, a cynical tourist who does favors for the powerful, a religious nut bag, a cowardly liar, or perhaps some unappetizing combination of all five. I personally think that the all-five answer is the correct one, because you cannot just find yourself in Syria, smirking into the face of the local despot and being treated like a treasured guest. The thing has to be arranged, and these things take time. So what was the motive? Listen again to Warren's driveling broadcast for the folks back home at the megachurch: In fact, you know Saul of TarsusSaul was a Syrian. St. Paul, on the road to Damascus, had his conversion experience, and so Christians have been here the longest, and they get along with the Muslims, and the Muslims get along with them. There's a lot less tension than in other places. I can absolutely see what Warren hoped to get out of this sordid little trip, the
Re: [FairfieldLife] What did you take with you from TM
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 1. TM and TM Sidhi technique, which I practice, well, a bit more than most on FFL. TM opened up amazing areas in my life when I received my advanced technique from Lillian Rosen. Intuition and an ability to see the future became a part of my everyday experience. Though very analytical by nature, I've lived my life based on Intuition. 2. The wonderful residence courses, the center get-togethers, the Sidhi in residence flying block and WPAs. I met so many wonderful people who opened up my mind to so many wonderful things. This continues to this very day. 3. Expansion of life on every level. I know of nothing but TM, but TM worked for me in opening up so many vistas in my mind and therefore my life. I've lead a charmed life full of satisfaction, excitment, diversity of thought and experience. 4. FFL, which continues to open up new vistas to me. 5. The mindfuck, rudeness, crudeness, the shift of the TMO from the Age of Enlightenment to the Age of Embarrassment. This allowed a non-organizational, technical lone ranger to learn how organizations and businesses really operate. I find that I can deal with a Middle Eastern government rather easily, as the things I learned from and about the TMO are very readily applicable to other groups and endeavors, no matter how Byzantine. 6. The wisdom in the title of Erma Bombeck's Book The Grass is Always Greener Over the Septic Tank.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
Jim wrote: Just who kicked Barry out of the TMO. I'd love to know. John wrote: I don't really think Barry was kicked out of the TMO. I agree with geezerfreak, let's see some direct evidence Mr Nablusoss. Apparently both John and Barry have been kicked out of the TMO by the Marshy himself, but that's not the issue. Let's see some direct evidence that any of these guys had anything to do with the TMO - then we can decide who was in charge of what. From what I've read, Rick Archer is the only respondent on FFL that can prove he was once a representative of the TMO. Can anyone here produce a dome badge or pass or a photo of themselves inside a Golden Dome of pure knowledge? BillyG has a photo taken of him shaking hands with Charles Lutes. I think I once saw a TMO publication with Barry's photo displayed at the top. Other questions: Do you have a list, or a TMO publication showing your name as a teacher in good standing with the TMO? Is your TMO account current? Can you provide your real name? What happened to all the money? That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: No. I'm asking for -direct evidence- that Barry was kicked out. No one has provided any. nor has Barry provided any proof that he wasn't kicked out. there is so much rumor, innuendo and half truth that circulates on FFL regarding TM and the Maharishi, so i am now looking for proof that B wasn't kicked out, instead of taking his word, or opinions like yours. until someone comes up with proof (vs. rumor, opinion, innuendo and half truth) that Barry wasn't kicked out of the TMO and told to stay away from the Maharishi, those are the facts. What YOU and Nablusoss are doing which DOES appear to be because you don't like Barry, is no different than when people smeared Obama by proclaiming that he is a Muslim - *without providing* any substantial, verifiable evidence. -SHOW- your evidence so I can legitimately accept your claim Nabby has some different ideas from others here, but i don't see him as the habitual liar B is. so the burden of proof remains with B. I was not there at the time, and I do not care why the Turq dissappeared. The main thing is that he did, and I seriously find that the Movement was better off without yet another loose canon on deck. So I also do not have any p r o o f that he was asked to stay away for security reasons, perhaps the reasons were manysided. Again I don't care. The problem for the Turq is that this version has been ciculating for years from many different americans present at the time, including one fellow that with his full name claimed the same thing here on FFL. A fellow you should be able to seek out from the archives if you so wished. The same fellow also claimed that the Turqs claim to be some kind of doorman for Maharishi was an outright lie as he was consciously kept outside the door and not let into the room. Security concerns have been hinted several times as the reason for this. Again I don't care. And I don't think the Turq does either given this happened more than 30 years ago and his repeated claims that he moved on.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
Not past tense for me; still TAKING, as in still practising the TM technique twice daily. As for the Movement? Bah, humbug. I definitely think it has evolved into a cult...and I blame the people around Maharishi as much if not more than him for that. But you've heard this rant from me as infinitum so I won't bore you with it again. Evolution comes from action, from everyday life; the 20 minutes twice a day is just a technique. For anyone to think that they're going to evolve and gain enlightenment by spending 3 hours twice a day in the bank, they are deluding themselves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: We spend many posts here debating the legitimacy of the TM technique, the cult of TM and the scam. But from time to time I find myself relating to ideas that were first introduced to me during the time I was in the movement. Here are a few: 1) The law of thermodynamics. I might have missed this unless I had taken specific classes during my arts laden education. Not of course unique with the TM movement but I often notice how much entropy I find in things particularly society these days. 2) The concept of stress release. Actually not taught in other traditions I know of where it might be spoken of as samskaras dissolving. This is very helpful when using very advanced yogic techniques when stress may be coming out in blocks and when we need to back away from the technique to allow them to come out and continuing with the technique may actually block their release. 3) Cultural integration, which is something I see going on daily on the planet. And we also see some cultural rejection too. 4) On my TTC, probably due more to length and the diverse number of professionals on it I actually gained some good information on how to run an organization which was also applicable to business. That helped me with a management position much later on in life. Again these things aren't necessarily unique with TM but were introduced while I was involved and I might not have learned otherwise. Anyone else have some to share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: As to whether TM produces regular transcendence, it depends on the person and how, as you say, you define transcendence. I have asked people about their experiences. Some say they never transcend. Many who quit early probably had no rewarding experiences. Others say they got into a trancey kind of zone. Others say that they found it relaxing and day dreamy. Others say they transcend making the experience sound important. But there is no real test for transcendence. So we don't know if TM produces regular transcendence. And we don't know if transcendence is important or just an artifact of our mind. I hope I have sniped the above quote in a way that correctly identifies it. This subject of what we experience when we practice TM, and what transcending means, is one I have thought about too. What we experience when we do TM is what we experience when we do TM. A circular statement but there it is. Some quietness, some silence, some mantra, some thoughts. Sometimes some sleep. Sometimes no mantra, no thoughts, more quietness, more silence, in varying degrees, and with varying degrees of awe and reverence. It is what it is. We can (and as taught, do) label it transcending. The experience is different, and or perceived from a different perspective, by different people. I don't mean to make any more or any less of the experience than what it is. To transcend means to go beyond. Let's change the subject for a moment from TM and transcending. What is this? Where did I come from? Why am I here? Each of us, TM students or not, experience this transient life on this earth and then leave it. We bring nothing in, and we take nothing out. Unless you count character, that might survive, but there I speculate. Nothing visible is removed. I have 35 years of TM under my belt. I have experienced some quietness, some silence. I don't know where I came from. I don't know where I go when it's over. I have read and heard some stories, or perhaps answers, to those questions. In Sunday school as a little boy, in Maharishi's lectures and books. Transcending is a word. Words refer to things. The thing we experience, we experience. The thing we don't experience, we don't experience. We experience the TM experience. I know of no one who has seen where we came from, or where we go to, who has seen outside this transient existence. There is a certain universal life experience with a limit that we share with the rest of humanity. We as TM'ers do have a belief system, both in answer to those questions, and as a perspective on ourselves as a group in relation to those questions. And then we have the TM experience, which we label transcending. No one can argue with that. So long as we understand it for what it is Some of that may be cliched, I hope not too, but these experiences are ubiquitous, so it's hard to avoid cliche. Happy New Year to all, and may we all transcend more next year, and in every conceivable way, than last. Thank you ! Please understand that FFL is not for amateurs. Whatever is posted here about the TMO and Maharishi are 99% lies brought on by dubious fellows with a troublesome childhood and a few gals. Please remember this. I don't know how you stumbled upon this page, but please be careful. And yes; Happy New Year to you ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg Which of the two grinners is WillyTex? The guy who looks like Jerry Jarvis or the guy in drag?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Oh please, you have not been paying attention; the Turq has made claims upon claims about my standing in the TMO year after year here on FFL, like a Himmler who thought that if only you repeat a lie often enough it becomes a truth. If this silly discussion was not appropiate - whether the Turq was kicked out of the Movement for security reasons or not - I think the person himself would object. He does not, and given the testemonies, I tend to understand his lack of reaction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
Now I REALLY don't like Rick Warren. Obama's lame ass pandering decision to elevate Warren's status at his inaugural and resuscitate Fundy political power is a HUGE mistake and a slap in the face to his supporters (who inexplicably excuse his behavior like abused wives.) The guy is a TRAITOR to our country, which is worse IMO than being a homophobe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttspli...@... wrote: And a shame, too, that on Inauguration Day we may also have to stand stillout of respect rather than fear, it is trueand listen to a man who is either a half-witted dupe, a hopeless naif, a cynical tourist who does favors for the powerful, a religious nut bag, a cowardly liar, or perhaps some unappetizing combination of all five. I personally think that the all-five answer is the correct one, because you cannot just find yourself in Syria, smirking into the face of the local despot and being treated like a treasured guest. I can absolutely see what Warren hoped to get out of this sordid little trip, the evidence of which he vainly tried to conceal when it threatened to become embarrassing. He wanted to be on video for his open-mouthed followers as he posed on the road to Damascus. And he didn't care what deals he had to make, with Baath and Toothbrush Central Command, in order to bring off such a fundraising coup. But now it's the sandals of Obama that are being exploited by the same tub-thumper, and one has not merely a right but a duty to object to having as an inaugural auxiliary a man who is a pushover for anti-Semitism, Islamic sectarianism, rapture theology, fascist dictatorship, 10th-rate media trade-offs, and last-minute panicky self-censorship all at the same time. Is there nobody in the Obama camp who can see that this is not just a gay issue? And is there no gay figure who can say that Warren is objectionable for reasons that have more to do with decency, democracy, and the Constitution? The televised, Bible-bashing entrepreneur is perhaps the single most unattractive and embarrassing phenomenon that modern American culture has ever produced.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Oh please, you have not been paying attention; the Turq has made claims upon claims about my standing in the TMO year after year here on FFL, like a Himmler who thought that if only you repeat a lie often enough it becomes a truth. If this silly discussion was not appropiate - whether the Turq was kicked out of the Movement for security reasons or not - I think the person himself would object. He does not, and given the testemonies, I tend to understand his lack of reaction. So it's okay for you to make unfounded ugly claims about others with no direct evidence because they don't complain and because you think others have done it against you. What a sleazy little man with no character you show yourself to be, Mr Nablusoss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Now I REALLY don't like Rick Warren. Obama's lame ass pandering decision to elevate Warren's status at his inaugural and resuscitate Fundy political power is a HUGE mistake and a slap in the face to his supporters (who inexplicably excuse his behavior like abused wives.) The guy is a TRAITOR to our country, which is worse IMO than being a homophobe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: And a shame, too, that on Inauguration Day we may also have to stand stillout of respect rather than fear, it is trueand listen to a man who is either a half-witted dupe, a hopeless naif, a cynical tourist who does favors for the powerful, a religious nut bag, a cowardly liar, or perhaps some unappetizing combination of all five. I personally think that the all-five answer is the correct one, because you cannot just find yourself in Syria, smirking into the face of the local despot and being treated like a treasured guest. I can absolutely see what Warren hoped to get out of this sordid little trip, the evidence of which he vainly tried to conceal when it threatened to become embarrassing. He wanted to be on video for his open-mouthed followers as he posed on the road to Damascus. And he didn't care what deals he had to make, with Baath and Toothbrush Central Command, in order to bring off such a fundraising coup. But now it's the sandals of Obama that are being exploited by the same tub-thumper, and one has not merely a right but a duty to object to having as an inaugural auxiliary a man who is a pushover for anti-Semitism, Islamic sectarianism, rapture theology, fascist dictatorship, 10th-rate media trade-offs, and last-minute panicky self-censorship all at the same time. Is there nobody in the Obama camp who can see that this is not just a gay issue? And is there no gay figure who can say that Warren is objectionable for reasons that have more to do with decency, democracy, and the Constitution? The televised, Bible-bashing entrepreneur is perhaps the single most unattractive and embarrassing phenomenon that modern American culture has ever produced. Well, the Romans had their King Herod, so as bad as it might seem, Rick's at least better than the puppet King. You know, just like some of the people in Africa, who sold their brothers into slavery, the Jewish people have has their share of traitors, also... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra | Nine Steps to Peace for Obama in the New Year
http://www.truthout.org/010109A
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
I've listened to Krista Tippet's (Speaking of Faith) interview with Rick Warren and his wife a couple of times. Although I dislike the smug Jerry Falwell look on his face, and agree with some of the criticisms being leveled at him, listening to that interview left me with some good impressions that aren't easily forgotten. Check it out: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/kristasjournal.shtml
[FairfieldLife] Re: How are you doing today(I need your help)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:01 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Dear Nelson, You poor thing! Where can I send you the $2,500.00? Please also let me send you a one-way ticket to Burlington, Vermont so that you can stay with me until you're back up on your feet. Tom Barlow Burlington, Vermont P.S. If you're from Nigeria, I assume you are a colored person? Great! I just love the colored's! Of course, I haven't actually MET one since I've lived in Vermont as we don't have any here. But I can assure you that you will be welcomed with opened arms. Hi Rick, I'd like Shemp removed from FFL for putting my name up in this disgusting manner. This is a very disgusting offence Shemp has committed, giving my name and location to someone asking for money. Offering someone my money by posing as me and then giving my location to them deliberately, and offering that that person can stay with me for free is not acceptable. Tom Barlow Vermont. Off, Rick, I say off! Now! And for the next 16 lifetimes! Otherwise I'm going to sue the entire planet for defamation. And believe me, you don't want that. I got friends in high places--literally. TB My apologies for letting all this get started- Quite a project to sort it all out with my whole list on my case and Yahoo asking about the changed password etc. Making a note not to be on the computer when it requires thinking. Pretty hard to be somewhat anonymous but, so what. Hoping your new year is not too eventful,best, N.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra | Nine Steps to Peace for Obama in the New Year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.truthout.org/010109A Like Maharishi, Deepak should really stay far, far away from politics. He may be a wise doctor but his political acumen is on par with grade 10 students at an average American high school.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra | Nine Steps to Peace for Obama in the New Year
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.truthout.org/010109A Like Maharishi, Deepak should really stay far, far away from politics. He may be a wise doctor but his political acumen is on par with grade 10 students at an average American high school. Which would be a grade or two above you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I've listened to Krista Tippet's (Speaking of Faith) interview with Rick Warren and his wife a couple of times. Although I dislike the smug Jerry Falwell look on his face, and agree with some of the criticisms being leveled at him, listening to that interview left me with some good impressions that aren't easily forgotten. Check it out: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/kristasjournal.shtml Rick, I read the article. Can you be more specific? I didn't see any of the good impressions that you did. I don't have any reason to give Warren a pass on his ick factor as those who go out of their way to justify Obama's poor judgment. In fact this is down right scary: Some criticize Saddleback and The Purpose Driven Life as Christianity lite. You'll hear him respond to this in our interview. Whatever your take on it, he is a force to be reckoned with. Again, like Jim Wallis in last week's program, he has become a spiritual advisor to powerful people in his case including Rupert Murdoch, George W. Bush, and Paul Kagame, the president of Rwanda. Punchline: Rev. Wright out and Rev. Warren in. Ya think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal assuming one of the nutcases is you, who is the other one?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I've listened to Krista Tippet's (Speaking of Faith) interview with Rick Warren and his wife a couple of times. Although I dislike the smug Jerry Falwell look on his face, and agree with some of the criticisms being leveled at him, listening to that interview left me with some good impressions that aren't easily forgotten. Check it out: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/kristasjournal.shtml OK, For an Evangelical he is apparently less evil than the hard core hypocrites like Ted Haggard, Swaggart or Bakker or any of the others that have not been uncovered yet. It appears he is more open to certain humanist ideas. He has done much to offer spiritual comfort to people through his Purpose Driven Life books as well as helping the poor. Also one can't overlook one of the most important parts of modern religion is the community benefits. In a world of alienation there community based organized gives many people a common place to meet. (Although I do feel there are secular organizations that can serve the same function with less baggage) That said, at the heart of all this is the lies of Christianity. Its the distorted materialistic view of reality that is necessary in monotheism, the mislaid psychological assumptions in Bronze Age manuscripts, the emphasis on confinement of the human spirit sexually as well as morally, its tribal aspects and resulting bigotry and groupthink. Time and again these flaws rear their ugly head in Church policies from predator priests, violent civil wars, and heartless social practices like teaching abstinence to stem Aids. This is why time and again these guys are caught with their pants down, or hanging with dictators, or pushing policy with a blind eye to humanity. Let him continue to be a helpful Christian leader through his Church, books and philanthropic work. But I don't want to throw my tax dollars his way towards moving his barbaric medieval ideology. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Oh please, you have not been paying attention; the Turq has made claims upon claims about my standing in the TMO year after year here on FFL, like a Himmler who thought that if only you repeat a lie often enough it becomes a truth. If this silly discussion was not appropiate - whether the Turq was kicked out of the Movement for security reasons or not - I think the person himself would object. He does not, and given the testemonies, I tend to understand his lack of reaction. So it's okay for you to make unfounded ugly claims about others with no direct evidence because they don't complain and because you think others have done it against you. What a sleazy little man with no character you show yourself to be, Mr Nablusoss. Thank you, and a very Happy New Year to you !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal assuming one of the nutcases is you, who is the other one? You're just as guilty as Mr Nablusoss, 'enlightened dawn' for repeating that unfounded claim. Neither of you have much credibility left, not to mention personal integrity.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on You, Rick Warren --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I've listened to Krista Tippet's (Speaking of Faith) interview with Rick Warren and his wife a couple of times. Although I dislike the smug Jerry Falwell look on his face, and agree with some of the criticisms being leveled at him, listening to that interview left me with some good impressions that aren't easily forgotten. Check it out: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/kristasjournal.shtml Rick, I read the article. Can you be more specific? I didn't see any of the good impressions that you did. I don't have any reason to give Warren a pass on his ick factor as those who go out of their way to justify Obama's poor judgment. In fact this is down right scary: If you have a chance, listen to the interview. There's a link to it at the top of the article. I've listened to most of Krista Tippet's interviews over the past several years, and I respect her a lot. She won't interview people who think they have all the answers, like Jerry Falwell. Sure, Warren, like most Christians, thinks Jesus is the only way, homosexuality is an aberration, etc., but nonetheless, he's actually doing a lot of good in the world. When he meets African leaders in preparation to work on AIDS projects over there, the first thing he says to them is, If you're corrupt you don't want me in your country, because I'm not going to play games with you, and will expose any corruption I find. Then he proceeds to actually make a difference in people's lives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Oh please, you have not been paying attention; the Turq has made claims upon claims about my standing in the TMO year after year here on FFL, like a Himmler who thought that if only you repeat a lie often enough it becomes a truth. If this silly discussion was not appropiate - whether the Turq was kicked out of the Movement for security reasons or not - I think the person himself would object. He does not, and given the testemonies, I tend to understand his lack of reaction. So it's okay for you to make unfounded ugly claims about others with no direct evidence because they don't complain and because you think others have done it against you. What a sleazy little man with no character you show yourself to be, Mr Nablusoss. Thank you, and a very Happy New Year to you ! That doesn't get you off the hook, fella, for making what now appears to be a *false* ugly claim about another. It just further indicates your lack of personal integrity by failing to acknowledge that you were wrong. Whether Barry complains or not is beside the point. Likely he already sees that you have little credibility anyway - as everyone else now does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal assuming one of the nutcases is you, who is the other one? You're just as guilty as Mr Nablusoss, 'enlightened dawn' for repeating that unfounded claim. Neither of you have much credibility left, not to mention personal integrity. and after Barry spends 2500 posts per year(!) making up complete and utter bullshit, you, the self appointed vanguard of truth, decide to climb upon your high horse and lecture me about unfounded claims and personal integrity? get real. once Barry wants to prove he wasn't kicked out of the TMO i'll listen, but until then, he was kicked out of the TMO as far as i, and many others are concerned.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Dec 27 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 03 00:00:00 2009 736 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 02 00:12:54 2009 51 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com 50 authfriend jst...@panix.com 48 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 42 I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com 34 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 31 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net 31 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 30 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 30 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 26 BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com 24 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 22 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 21 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 21 Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 19 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 17 Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk 15 yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 13 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 12 Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@yahoo.com 10 Hugo richardhughes...@hotmail.com 10 Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com 9 Stu buttspli...@gmail.com 9 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 7 Patrick Gillam jpgil...@yahoo.com 6 guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@yahoo.com 6 bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 John jr_...@yahoo.com 5 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Marek Reavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 3 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@gmail.com 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 3 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com 2 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 metoostill metoost...@yahoo.com 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com 2 geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com 2 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net 2 arhatafreespe...@yahoo.com 2 wle...@aol.com 2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 pranamoocher bh...@hotmail.com 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com 1 gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com 1 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 1 drpetersutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 1 dan hawkeye422...@yahoo.com 1 amarnath anatol_z...@yahoo.com 1 Joe Smith msilver1...@yahoo.com 1 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 1 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nenad_Kuzmanovi=E6?= jabuk...@gmail.com 1 min.pige min.p...@yahoo.com 1 Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.ho...@t-online.de Posters: 58 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal assuming one of the nutcases is you, who is the other one? You're just as guilty as Mr Nablusoss, 'enlightened dawn' for repeating that unfounded claim. Neither of you have much credibility left, not to mention personal integrity. and after Barry spends 2500 posts per year(!) making up complete and utter bullshit, you, the self appointed vanguard of truth, decide to climb upon your high horse and lecture me about unfounded claims and personal integrity? get real. once Barry wants to prove he wasn't kicked out of the TMO i'll listen, but until then, he was kicked out of the TMO as far as i, and many others are concerned. Whatever Barry did or didn't say here, doesn't excuse or justify you for making an obviously unfounded ugly claim against him. If he indeed has done so, you've just shown readers here that you are no better than he is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoost...@... wrote: This subject of what we experience when we practice TM, and what transcending means, is one I have thought about too. What we experience when we do TM is what we experience when we do TM. A circular statement but there it is. Some quietness, some silence, some mantra, some thoughts. Sometimes some sleep. Sometimes no mantra, no thoughts, more quietness, more silence, in varying degrees, and with varying degrees of awe and reverence. It is what it is. We can (and as taught, do) label it transcending. The experience is different, and or perceived from a different perspective, by different people. I don't mean to make any more or any less of the experience than what it is. Metoostill, I agree. It is what it is...a simple natural, effortless mental technique. Those who focus on the warts of the TMO and stop TM because of it, would rather practice the Baby meet Bathwater technique than TM. I have plenty to complain about the TMO but I don't dwell on it or nurture a crabby attitude about the TMO as an excuse to stop TM. Nothing will ever diminish the value of my TM experience. Great post. Thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Dec 27 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 03 00:00:00 2009 736 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 02 00:12:54 2009 51 do.rflex do.rf...@... 50 authfriend jst...@... 48 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 42 I am the eternal l.shad...@... 34 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 Vaj vajradh...@... 31 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... 31 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 30 sparaig lengli...@... 30 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 raunchydog raunchy...@... 26 BillyG. wg...@... 24 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... 22 Bhairitu noozg...@... 21 Rick Archer r...@... 21 Peter drpetersutp...@... 19 Robert babajii...@... 17 Richard M compost...@... 15 yifuxero yifux...@... 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 13 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... 12 Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... 10 Hugo richardhughes...@... 10 Richard J. Williams willy...@... 9 Stu buttspli...@... 9 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 7 Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... 6 guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... 6 bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 John jr_...@... 5 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Marek Reavis reavisma...@... 3 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... 3 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... 2 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 metoostill metoost...@... 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... 2 geezerfreak geezerfr...@... 2 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... 2 arhatafreespe...@... 2 wle...@... 2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 pranamoocher bh...@... 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2...@... 1 gullible fool ffl...@... 1 feste37 fest...@... 1 drpetersutphen drpetersutp...@... 1 dan hawkeye422...@... 1 amarnath anatol_z...@... 1 Joe Smith msilver1...@... 1 Dick Mays dickm...@... 1 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nenad_Kuzmanovi=E6?= jabuk...@... 1 min.pige min.p...@... 1 Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.ho...@... Posters: 58 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com Looks like I goofed and I'm out for a week. Happy New Year everyone! Here's a New Year cartoon just for fun from Tom Tomorrow: http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/12/30/tomo/story.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, do.rflex wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? Apparently neither of these nutcases has heard that you can't prove a negative. Sal assuming one of the nutcases is you, who is the other one? You're just as guilty as Mr Nablusoss, 'enlightened dawn' for repeating that unfounded claim. Neither of you have much credibility left, not to mention personal integrity. and after Barry spends 2500 posts per year(!) making up complete and utter bullshit, you, the self appointed vanguard of truth, decide to climb upon your high horse and lecture me about unfounded claims and personal integrity? get real. once Barry wants to prove he wasn't kicked out of the TMO i'll listen, but until then, he was kicked out of the TMO as far as i, and many others are concerned. Whatever Barry did or didn't say here, doesn't excuse or justify you for making an obviously unfounded ugly claim against him. If he indeed has done so, you've just shown readers here that you are no better than he is. no better than he is... my wtf moment for the new year...i thought the purpose of this chat room was to chat, not to prove ourselves better than someone or anyone else here. who are you better than here, me, or Nabby? where are you wrt Barry? better, worse, almost the same, slightly inferior? please consider myself not part of yours and Barry's caste system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoostill@ wrote: This subject of what we experience when we practice TM, and what transcending means, is one I have thought about too. What we experience when we do TM is what we experience when we do TM. A circular statement but there it is. Some quietness, some silence, some mantra, some thoughts. Sometimes some sleep. Sometimes no mantra, no thoughts, more quietness, more silence, in varying degrees, and with varying degrees of awe and reverence. It is what it is. We can (and as taught, do) label it transcending. The experience is different, and or perceived from a different perspective, by different people. I don't mean to make any more or any less of the experience than what it is. Metoostill, I agree. It is what it is...a simple natural, effortless mental technique. Those who focus on the warts of the TMO and stop TM because of it, would rather practice the Baby meet Bathwater technique than TM. I have plenty to complain about the TMO but I don't dwell on it or nurture a crabby attitude about the TMO as an excuse to stop TM. Nothing will ever diminish the value of my TM experience. Great post. Thanks agreed. what i greatly enjoyed about the TM technique almost from the first day was the emphasis placed on my independence, and personal responsibility for any results. there will always be an organization associated with any significant invention, though what i really helped TM stick with me is that the Maharishi never set himself up as a personal guru- just generated all of the teaching i ever needed to understand the process and sequence of TM, and left it up to me to do the rest. the TMO has never insisted i give them as much a s a nickel above and beyond the modest fee i paid to learn TM, and i have been fine to keep it that way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Whatever Barry did or didn't say here, doesn't excuse or justify you for making an obviously unfounded ugly claim against him. If he indeed has done so, you've just shown readers here that you are no better than he is. do.rflex, you are no better than he is is not much of a compliment to Barry. Anyway, what's so ugly about it? Whether Barry was kicked out or walked out doesn't matter. He's happy he's out. I don't know the facts, so it's a horse a piece to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg raunchydog wrote: Which of the two grinners is WillyTex? The guy who looks like Jerry Jarvis or the guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009. Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to: http://tinyurl.com/74jywh Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread. And especial thanks to Raunch for posting the URL to Amma because now I finally get it. I get the attraction you people have for Amma and why the TMO is the anti-Christ (in metaphorical terms) and Amma is the Christ. The TMO represents no heart, despite Dr. BM's lispy (my friends and I have never believed that he was straight, but that's a different matter) endless gushing. The TMO can and does the expedient thing because just as a TB has no sense of humor (Eric Hoffer), someone without heart finds doing the expedient so very easy. I am still a visitor to the TMO. I've read about the cult aspects of the TMO (and believe it to be a cult and that no matter how much Peter and others would say that I'm not a member of a cult because I don't do culty things). I've also read extensively about the Church of Scientology. I appreciate the laying it all out here on the New Year, but I feel that there is no value in trying to destroy the TMO unless you can get a good enough shot to bring it all down, and I don't think that can happen. The crowd I run with are TBs (though many visit Amma and other saints). Were I to reveal how I really feel, they would all get up and walk away without saying good bye. And the world is full of this sort of people. There just might be a force of evil like a rakshasha as Maharish asserted GW Bush was. Despite having memorized the Baltimore Catechism for my holy communion I could never convince myself to believe in evil and especially embodiments of evil which have a life and a force of their own. But as I see the Church of Scientology, the TMO and GW Bush, I now have to consider that rakshashas really do exist. I feel that you can try to destroy the TMO, the Church of Scientology and other nasty and destructive cults, but that they are like tornados, hurricanes and tidal waves. If you get rid of one here, another will pop up there. These things, these organizations, these people appear to be part of the Cosmic Plan. Stop them one place, if you can, they'll pop up in another. Some of you unwittingly and unknowingly fucked my TM friends and myself over the years. Hurt dies hard. I too easily feel the pain of others and so many times I felt the pain of people who worked for the TMO but the credits for TTC or ATRs or the sidhis disappeared and these people had worked for nothing and had no recourse. It does me good to see that there's remorse and that most likely as you go through the TMO it's tough to find the real brains behind evil doing because it's a group dynamic where people are either just following orders or just doing what's expected of their role. Raunch has the best solution, IMO, even though I visited Amma and felt nothing and still feel nothing for her. Don't be consumed with hate. Find love. Let love fill your heart. Let love conquer the world. I'm going to do as Raunch suggested and make a donation to Amma's causes and maybe Amma's love will help me overcome and forget how mean and rude and crude the TMO has been to me and mine. If not Amma, then find someone else who draws out your love. You can't concentrate or have your attention on two things at once. Place your attention on love. Yes! That is what I have said from day one. TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. And apparently even perverts can be enlightened. I harbor resentment to the TMO. Family and friends who became part of the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. And I walk on eggshells.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Whatever Barry did or didn't say here, doesn't excuse or justify you for making an obviously unfounded ugly claim against him. If he indeed has done so, you've just shown readers here that you are no better than he is. do.rflex, you are no better than he is is not much of a compliment to Barry. Anyway, what's so ugly about it? Whether Barry was kicked out or walked out doesn't matter. He's happy he's out. I don't know the facts, so it's a horse a piece to me. No offense dawn11. do.rflex's intention was to defend Barry and he inadvertently messed up while putting you down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
John wrote: Just as I thought, Mr Nablusoss, you had NO direct evidence. How would you feel if people made ugly claims about you without having any direct evidence, eh? It's a fact that you got kicked out - we have your own words to prove it - either that or you were lying. Charlie told me that he would dump Marc and put me in charge of the center. It never happenned. Jim Rimbey and Lynn Napper were, at that time, 100% in favor of what Charlie had promised. That is the time I went with all three to see MMY at Lake Tahoe - where I also met Devendra and received my 'advanced' technique from Sattyanand. As it turned out, upon my return to Utah, Marc had been in contact with Jerry Jarvis, and had effectively banned me from the center. Read more: From: Tom Anderson Subject: Re: John Manning: Bio. 2 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2001-11-07 01:43:47 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg raunchydog wrote: Which of the two grinners is WillyTex? The guy who looks like Jerry Jarvis or the guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis? The guy in drag?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Answer to the Jyotish Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Barry, I knew that even before you typed the email to the moderators. JR John, what specifically did you know -before- Barry typed the email to the moderators? Ask Barry. He knows it and he can confirm it. PS Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Since it appears that JohnR is not going to respond to my challenge with his analysis of my friend's medical condition as indicated in her Jyotish chart, and I want to finish up my participation in all existing threads on FFL before the new year starts, I will post the answer. ( It goes without saying that any subsequent attempts by JohnR or any other Jyotishi to say, Oh, I saw that in the chart, but I was just late in posting my response should be greeted with howls of derisive laughter. :-) The medical issue my friend is dealing with is called being pregnant. Other than that simple and fairly common medical issue, she is 100% healthy. Her doctors, both allopathic and from the world of alternative medicine, believe that she will have a normal home birth, but just in case, arrangements have been made by the midwives at a nearby hospital in case she requires surgery. We all hope that isn't necessary. Below is the text I sent to the FFL moderators. The only thing I changed in it was to delete my friend's last name (for privacy, and to keep stalkers away from her) and to insert the word best in front of friend, because she really is my best friend. I'm heading off in a few min- utes to spend the rest of the year with her, even though that'll only be five hours. :-) Had JohnR analyzed the chart and posted that he found indicators of disease, that would have been partly because I described her condition as a medical issue. Well, duh, it is. Giving birth IS a medical issue, and never a 100% safe one. But IMO the only reason he would have found indicators of disease in her chart would have been because *he was looking for them*, and projecting them onto a chart in which they did not appear. Similarly, when Judy and Raunchydog accused me of violating my friend's privacy by making her medical condition public, they were *looking for things to demonize me with*, and projecting them onto the situation in the form of the bogus privacy straw man. Please join me in laughing at their attempts to portray me as a Bad Guy for violating my friend's medical privacy. It's hard to *miss* the medical condition of someone who is eight and a half months pregnant; keeping it private is just not an option unless you are wearing a tent. :-) The original letter to the FFL moderators follows, in case someone actually wants them to confirm that this is what I sent to them earlier. As noted above, the only thing in it I have changed is to delete my friend's last name out of concern that one or more TBs here would start stalking her the same way that they stalk me and Vaj and Paul Mason and John Knapp and others who have dared to be critical of TM or its ludicrous extra added cost products like Jyotish. I still think that this would have been an interest- ing test, if JohnR had had the cojones to respond to it. But he didn't. I think that speaks for itself about the depth of *his* belief in the accuracy and efficacy of Jyotish. But the interesting test that DID take place was how a few TM True Believers here responded to the idea of Jyotish being put to the test. If John's lack of a response speaks volumes, theirs fills libraries. Happy New Year, Unc/Turq/Barry *** Sent to Rick, Alex, and gullible_fool: As mentioned on FFL, I am challenging JohnR to use the birth data below to pinpoint the nature of the medical condition that my friend is deal- ing with. The birth data: Born: Suffern, New York, USA September 18, 1965 18:06 (6:06 p.m.) The person, and their medical condition: This is the birth data for my best friend Laurel, who is very, very pregnant and about to give birth. Both medical doctors and alternative care providers have assured her that all is perfectly fine with the pregnancy, and that there is no danger to either mother or (soon) daughter. A normal birth is planned, but as I said there is the possibility of required surgery if things don't go as planned. As I understand Jyotish, *if it works* John should have no problem with noticing this medical condition in her chart, even if I did not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: e. TM brand refers to a trademark, while TM style would refer to any meditation similar enough to TM to meet with MMY's approval. Again, words matter. Lawson But there never has been any mediation similar enough to TM to make MMY and the TMO happy and the TMOs have gone out of their way to discourage ex-teachers from teaching on their own. The only thing out there is TM brand mediation. The rest is pointless. I can be sloppy when I chat on the net. I don't view it as any more than a casual conversation. But in this case I was being careful with my words and I did specifically mean TM brand mediation. I emphasize the brand to emphasize the exclusiveness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Looks like another 'glitch' in the FFL Posting Counter. LOL!! Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Dec 27 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 03 00:00:00 2009 736 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 02 00:12:54 2009 51 do.rflex do.rf...@... 50 authfriend jst...@... 48 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 42 I am the eternal l.shad...@... 34 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 Vaj vajradh...@... 31 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... 31 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 30 sparaig lengli...@... 30 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 raunchydog raunchy...@... 26 BillyG. wg...@... 24 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... 22 Bhairitu noozg...@... 21 Rick Archer r...@... 21 Peter drpetersutp...@... 19 Robert babajii...@... 17 Richard M compost...@... 15 yifuxero yifux...@... 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 13 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... 12 Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... 10 Hugo richardhughes...@... 10 Richard J. Williams willy...@... 9 Stu buttspli...@... 9 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 7 Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... 6 guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... 6 bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 John jr_...@... 5 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Marek Reavis reavisma...@... 3 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... 3 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... 2 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 metoostill metoost...@... 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... 2 geezerfreak geezerfr...@... 2 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@... 2 arhatafreespe...@... 2 wle...@... 2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 pranamoocher bh...@... 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2...@... 1 gullible fool ffl...@... 1 feste37 fest...@... 1 drpetersutphen drpetersutp...@... 1 dan hawkeye422...@... 1 amarnath anatol_z...@... 1 Joe Smith msilver1...@... 1 Dick Mays dickm...@... 1 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nenad_Kuzmanovi=E6?= jabuk...@... 1 min.pige min.p...@... 1 Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.ho...@... Posters: 58 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Yes! That is what I have said from day one. TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. And apparently even perverts can be enlightened. I harbor resentment to the TMO. Family and friends who became part of the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. And I walk on eggshells. Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision. TM works for me may not mean anything to you and you can challenge me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg Which of the two grinners is WillyTex? The guy who looks like Jerry Jarvis or the guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis? raunchydog wrote: The guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
John wrote: Looks like I goofed and I'm out for a week. Happy New Year everyone! Here's a New Year cartoon just for fun from Tom Tomorrow: http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/12/30/tomo/story.jpg Oops, now you're probably out for two weeks, since you blatantly posted another political message, when you knew you were over the limit already. I guess the filter isn't working. Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Dec 27 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 03 00:00:00 2009 736 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 02 00:12:54 2009 51 do.rflex do.rflex@ 50 authfriend jstein@ 48 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 42 I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ 34 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 Vaj vajradhatu@ 31 shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 31 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 30 sparaig LEnglish5@ 30 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 29 raunchydog raunchydog@ 26 BillyG. wgm4u@ 24 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 22 Bhairitu noozguru@ 21 Rick Archer rick@ 21 Peter drpetersutphen@ 19 Robert babajii_99@ 17 Richard M compost1uk@ 15 yifuxero yifuxero@ 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 13 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 12 Arhata Osho arhatafreespeech@ 10 Hugo richardhughes103@ 10 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 9 Stu buttsplicer@ 9 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 7 Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 6 guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ 6 bettyblue109 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 John jr_esq@ 5 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Marek Reavis reavismarek@ 3 Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutphen@ 3 Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 2 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 metoostill metoostill@ 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ 2 geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 2 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ 2 arhatafreespeech@ 2 WLeed3@ 2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 pranamoocher bhrma@ 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2001@ 1 gullible fool fflmod@ 1 feste37 feste37@ 1 drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ 1 dan hawkeye422001@ 1 amarnath anatol_zinc@ 1 Joe Smith msilver1951@ 1 Dick Mays dickmays@ 1 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nenad_Kuzmanovi=E6?= jabuka10@ 1 min.pige min.pige@ 1 Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ Posters: 58 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: That's me with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg Which of the two grinners is WillyTex? The guy who looks like Jerry Jarvis or the guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis? raunchydog wrote: The guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis. It's been awhile, but yes I do remember what Jerry Jarvis looks like. So you must be the guy is drag!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: [...] Judy, Vaj did not say one dishonest thing here. He asked if you said something, and if you had that position, you would be a TB. You said that you were stating MMY's position, which may or may not be your position. End of story. Okay, I've got to go back to reading via email so that I can skip these disturbing exchanges. What I find fascinating is that Vaj DOES assert these things, but you deny it. Lawson I don't follow. I am just referring only to the post that Judy called dishonest. What was dishonest in the post? The tone, m'dear, the tone... Too many assumptions about what people think go on in this forum. To call Vaj's tone dishonest requires too much mind reading for me.
[FairfieldLife] Prediction for the Hadron Collider Experiments
To All: Once the collider is booted up again this spring, it is likely that the scientists will find more subparticles that have not been theorized. The list of new particles will increase and will appear undaunting to decipher and organize. However, in using vedic science principles, we can predict that these particles can be categorized into five parts which pertain to the various elements: fire, earth, wind, water, and ether. Although the collider might not have enough power to dig deeper into these particles, it is further likely that there will be finer subparts of those that will be found. So, it is like a graph line that approaches infinity but will never reach the end point. JR JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis? raunchydog wrote: The guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis. raunchydog wrote: It's been awhile, but yes I do remember what Jerry Jarvis looks like. So you must be the guy is drag! You're getting mixed up, that's Helen Olsen! http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg If I had been the one dressed in drag I would have said 'That's me - the one in drag' instead of 'That's 'That's me with the silly grin on his face.' But the guy sitting in the chair is not me! http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/images/dome2.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ [...] But of course I have a but. Clarity of TM? Really? I don't buy that anymore. I didn't say clarity of TM. I said religion requires the clarity TM provides to live up to its potential. Wow! Talk about argumentative. Fuck! I added the word of! I have never met a person more pedantic than you. Actually, clarity of TM didn't even make sense to me in that context. Clarity FROM TM makes sense. Words matter. Lawson People, it was a typo. Duh. I don't bother to proof. I speak off the cuff. Cripe, some guys like to parse instead of have an easy going conversation. I wouldn't be ragging on you Lawson if it weren't for the fact that these kinds of issues are not addressed with grace. Someone could have asked what I meant if they were confused. Instead I get school marms wagging their fingers. People just seem to want to score points. I want to find out why people meditate, why people quit, how people think and why the TMO seems to eat some people alive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I'm with Billy on this one. Thanks guys for explaining more than what I had from Science of Being Art of Living and from what Judy said about MMY's beliefs concerning religion. Funny topic for me to get my panties into a wad about because I am not religious. But, science seems to get treated with the same disrespect. Believing Vedic Science underlies everything is a science killer. Only if MMY is wrong about Vedic Science in the first place, of course Lawson He is. Vedic Science is a non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
Between TM works for me and TM works lie worlds of rapport, or lack of it. This brings up such an interesting point about how meditators and non meditators relate. Most non meditators don't know that most meditators believe that they have found the most important secret of life. But people who have been involved with TM to a lessor or greater degree do know. So we are both put in a delicate dilemma. Should the meditators pretend that they don't believe that have found the most important secret of life and people who have given it up have thrown away the most precious thing EVER? Should non meditators pretend that they don't believe that meditators have gotten carried away with an alteration of their minds that may amount to having a cat sit on our lap purring? And should Christians pretend that we both are not going straight to hell when we die because we haven't accepted Jesus H. Christ as our personal savior? I think it is OK that the different sides have their strong beliefs about the other. I guess I'm at the place where as long as a person is willing to not be a dick about it, I am fascinated by people's beliefs. And I know that the condescension monster can creep into my interactions pretty easily out of my confidence for my POV also. At its best FFL has given me a context to play with this question and work out individual solutions with certain posters. With only a very few exceptions this has been generous place to me in this regard. I have a very positive regard for the people who make this such place a dynamic multifaceted interaction. I was thinking about how I was going to tell FFL that I appreciate my last year here with you all. This is the post. We have new voices here that are making the place continually interesting and challenging to me. Thank you FFL. Happy New Year! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Yes! That is what I have said from day one. TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. And apparently even perverts can be enlightened. I harbor resentment to the TMO. Family and friends who became part of the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. And I walk on eggshells. Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision. TM works for me may not mean anything to you and you can challenge me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Yes! That is what I have said from day one. TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. And apparently even perverts can be enlightened. I harbor resentment to the TMO. Family and friends who became part of the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. And I walk on eggshells. Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision. TM works for me may not mean anything to you and you can challenge me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells. Thanks Raunchy. I appreciate that you can say TM working for you might not mean anything to me. The eggshells are more like broken glass.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking Away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis? raunchydog wrote: The guy in drag? So, you can't tell which is Jerry Jarvis. raunchydog wrote: It's been awhile, but yes I do remember what Jerry Jarvis looks like. So you must be the guy is drag! You're getting mixed up, that's Helen Olsen! http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg If I had been the one dressed in drag I would have said 'That's me - the one in drag' instead of 'That's 'That's me with the silly grin on his face.' But the guy sitting in the chair is not me! http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/images/dome2.jpg So are you Jerry Jarvis and Helen Olsen is the guy in drag sitting in the chair? Cool.
