date:20090808



On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:43 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:



Reading these replies and looking at those anti-TM webpages,

seems there are at least four types of Transcendental Meditation  
deniers.


TM deniers:

1. upsetting to many people is when a group claiming to have  
spiritual truths constantly bombards the media outlets with lies and  
exaggerations


2. Losers are provoked by success.

3.religious fundamentalism

4. It's just that it's so entertaining For fun.



5. The truth is like bliss, it's irresistible. Bees are just naturally  
drawn to the flower. So ultimately truth will prevail and you may have  
to let go of all the falsely acquired lies you were told. This process  
may be painful for some and some will try to resist, but nature is  
invincible. Resistance is futile Doug!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendental Meditation deniers

2009-08-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  
   On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:23 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
   
Om, the TM deniers. What is it they hate so much
about TM? On a scale of things, the things they dislike so much that  
would set them to work so hard against things TM?
Just wondering.
   
   Om, I don't know any TM deniers, but my guess is what is so upsetting  
   to many people is when a group claiming to have spiritual truths  
   constantly bombards the media outlets with lies and exaggerations--and  
   then enlists their own members to cover their tracks by hiding in blog  
   and in newspaper article comment sections.
   
  
  Of the activist Transcendental Meditation haters fighting TM on these blogs 
  and who would go out  show up in public meetings aagainst TM like at 
  meetings opposing DLF, are the deniers mostly Christians doing their 
  fundamentalist thing?some TM quitters?
  
  What do you see?
  
  Just wondering.
 
 
 
 Reading these replies and looking at those anti-TM webpages,
 
 seems there are at least four types of Transcendental Meditation deniers.
 
 
 TM deniers:
 
 1. upsetting to many people is when a group claiming to have spiritual 
 truths constantly bombards the media outlets with lies and exaggerations

This would cover any of the moral problems of the TMO money, science, power and 
sex.
 
 2. Losers are provoked by success.


Some folks who claim they got nothing or were may be damaged.

  3.religious fundamentalism


 Doctrinals insisting there is `only one way'
 TM the wrong way.


 4. It's just that it's so entertaining  For fun.


The perturbing one.  The one that is so without virtue.

Entertaining?  Seems so with out principle.. 

This last one seems so unbelievably spineless where evidently it seems 
everywhere is so the time for every spiritual meditator to exert themselves and 
make glorious or become contemptible.  This one seems particularly 
contemptible.   If only half of the research or even just a third was accurate 
about meditation, these folks when they use their smarts and abilities so are 
some of the worst of reactionary counter-revolutionaries.  Creating trouble 
just because it is fun.

[FairfieldLife] Learn Vedic Meditation


http://www.vedicnetwork.com/

Vedic Meditation has long been the secret weapon of many of the  
world's most accomplished political leaders, business moguls, artists  
and entertainers. The technique includes the use of a personalized  
mantra. But instead of chanting, focusing or concentrating on the  
mantra, you will learn to use it in the most natural, effortless,  
innocent and simple way. Unlike many other meditation techniques,  
Vedic meditation is renowned for being easy to integrate into the busy  
lifestyle of a householder.


In the 1950s, the 6,000 year-old practice of Vedic Meditation began  
showing up in America. Musicians embraced it first, starting with the  
Beatles, the Beach Boys, then Stevie Wonder. Hollywood followed: Mia  
Farrow, Hugh Jackman, David Lynch. Media moguls such as Virgin's  
Richard Branson and Russell Simmons brought street cred to the  
practice. Now, it seems that everybody's doing it. Meditation has  
become the modern-day survival tool forinnovators mostly because of  
it's deep roots in ancient wisdom.


How do you practice the technique?
To meditate, you sit comfortably in a chair with your back supported  
and your eyes closed. And over the course of about 20 minutes you let  
your mind settle down to increasingly quiter levels of consciousness  
by utilizing the sound of a mantra. To an outside observer you will  
appear to be simply resting.


What's different about this technique?
Whereas many other meditation practices may require some degree of  
concentration, focus, or contemplation, Vedic meditation requires no  
activity. The technique feels natural, simple and effortless. You sit  
comfortably in a chair and you never have to try to meditate.


Is this the same thing as Transcendental Meditation?
Vedic Meditation comes from the same body of knowledge that brought us  
yoga, Ayurveda, Indian philosophy, and other meditation techniques  
like Transcendental Meditation. However, Light teaches independently  
and is not affiliated with any proprietary organization.


What kind of benefits will I get from meditating?
Meditators report experiencing deep rest, the release of stress, more  
energy, clearer thinking, better health, and improved personal  
relationships.


Here are some other notable benefits:

· Improved memory, energy, creativity, intelligence
· Relief from depression and anxiety
· Relief from migraines, headaches and asthma
· Relief from insomnia and other sleeping disorders
· Faster reaction times
· Reduced cholesterol levels
· Relief from fatigue
· Stronger immune system
· Reduced risk of heart disease
· Normalization of blood pressure
· Improved sports performance
· Reduction of biological aging (click here to find out your  
biological age)

· Reduced addictive behaviors
· Normalization of weight

Psychologically, a regular meditation practice spawns a level of  
confidence and fearlessness in action that is the basis for  
successfully navigating through life's most challenging and demanding  
situations. Meditation is a consistent and reliable delivery vehicle  
for answers to questions like: Where do I go from here? It helps us  
understand our life's purpose and presents us with a road map for  
staying on track with our purpose. Meditation will also help your mind  
switch off and allow your body to get the deep rest it requires in  
order to release stress and stay healthy.


Have these benefits been proven by science?
Yes. Over 600 scientific research studies (many of them published in  
top scientific journals) verify and validate the benefits of Vedic  
Meditation in just about every area of an individual's life including:  
mind, body, behavior and environment.


How much will it cost me to learn meditation?
Course fees are determined on a sliding-scale basis, and you even have  
an option to pay over time. Our number one goal is to make learning  
this technique affordable for absolutely everyone.

[FairfieldLife] Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

2009-08-08 Thread do.rflex



Go Ahead and Die From the Pirates of the Health-Care-ibean. This video was 
posted in 2006, but is more relevant today than ever.

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuCfD5bICQ

[FairfieldLife] Women at Risk

From the New York Times:

August 8, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
Women at Risk 
By BOB HERBERT

I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-
shaven, bathe, touch of cologne  yet 30 million 
women rejected me, wrote George Sodini in a blog 
that he kept while preparing for this week's 
shooting in a Pennsylvania gym in which he killed 
three women, wounded nine others and then killed 
himself.

We've seen this tragic ritual so often that it has 
the feel of a formula. A guy is filled with a 
seething rage toward women and has easy access to 
guns. The result: mass slaughter

We profess to being shocked at one or another of 
these outlandish crimes, but the shock wears off 
quickly in an environment in which the rape, murder 
and humiliation of females is not only a staple of 
the news, but an important cornerstone of the 
nation's entertainment.

The mainstream culture is filled with the most 
gruesome forms of misogyny, and pornography is now a 
multibillion-dollar industry  much of it controlled 
by mainstream U.S. corporations. 

One of the striking things about mass killings in 
the U.S. is how consistently we find that the 
killers were riddled with shame and sexual 
humiliation, which they inevitably blamed on women 
and girls. The answer to their feelings of 
inadequacy was to get their hands on a gun (or guns) 
and begin blowing people away

Life in the United States is mind-bogglingly 
violent. But we should take particular notice of the 
staggering amounts of violence brought down on the 
nation's women and girls each and every day for no 
other reason than who they are. They are attacked 
because they are female

We would become much more sane, much healthier, as a 
society if we could bring ourselves to acknowledge 
that misogyny is a serious and pervasive problem, 
and that the twisted way so many men feel about 
women, combined with the absurdly easy availability 
of guns, is a toxic mix of the most tragic 
proportions.

Read more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1

http://tinyurl.com/nazqyf

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: anyone interested in throwing rocks in the lake and talking spiritual esoteric

2009-08-08 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mirza
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: anyone interested in throwing rocks in the lake
and talking spiritual esoteric

Looks to me like I DID start up a discussion. Yup, in any way that one can
be described. And I'm happy enough with that. Obviously I won't agree with
every one's opinion.There is some pretention on the site, some domineerance,
some egoism. But it is mixed in with some very valuable and apreciated
discussions about things I have found important to me for years. C'mon, I
don't have to marry you guys.Thank God. And I would be shocked if no one
ever wanted to go throw rocks at a pond and talk about opinions or
experiences or contemplations with other people. If no one wants to from
here,It just means I didn't find those people here. So what? So if you think
I'm wasting my time, reply to someone elses thread. Or maybe mine is
interesting after all? what question would you like me to ask you? I did ask
a question, but which one do you desire me to ask?
If you mean literally throw rocks in a pond (i.e., the reservoir) while
discussing spiritual topics, I would certainly enjoy that, but I only have
so much time for such things, and the Wednesday Night Satsang is my time.
But if you mean figuratively, as we do in FFL, there has been plenty of
rock-throwing over the years, both in the pond and at each other. Take your
pick. There have been nearly a quarter million posts on FFL since its
founding (a few days before 9/11) and the archives are full of some juicy
nuggets. Just last night I was talking with Thom Krystofiak about the
discussions he and L.B. Shriver used to have about karma, reincarnation,
etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

Hi Judy, You beat me to it. I was going to post Violet Sock's blog about this 
story which she says the media pretty much buried. Her take on it is that the 
dudes don't see it as a hate crime. I'm glad to see Bob Herbert write about 
it. 

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/08/07/dudes-search-for-something-important-in-hate-crime-to-be-upset-about/
http://tinyurl.com/lcdlo2  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 From the New York Times:
 
 August 8, 2009
 Op-Ed Columnist
 Women at Risk 
 By BOB HERBERT
 
 I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-
 shaven, bathe, touch of cologne  yet 30 million 
 women rejected me, wrote George Sodini in a blog 
 that he kept while preparing for this week's 
 shooting in a Pennsylvania gym in which he killed 
 three women, wounded nine others and then killed 
 himself.
 
 We've seen this tragic ritual so often that it has 
 the feel of a formula. A guy is filled with a 
 seething rage toward women and has easy access to 
 guns. The result: mass slaughter
 
 We profess to being shocked at one or another of 
 these outlandish crimes, but the shock wears off 
 quickly in an environment in which the rape, murder 
 and humiliation of females is not only a staple of 
 the news, but an important cornerstone of the 
 nation's entertainment.
 
 The mainstream culture is filled with the most 
 gruesome forms of misogyny, and pornography is now a 
 multibillion-dollar industry  much of it controlled 
 by mainstream U.S. corporations. 
 
 One of the striking things about mass killings in 
 the U.S. is how consistently we find that the 
 killers were riddled with shame and sexual 
 humiliation, which they inevitably blamed on women 
 and girls. The answer to their feelings of 
 inadequacy was to get their hands on a gun (or guns) 
 and begin blowing people away
 
 Life in the United States is mind-bogglingly 
 violent. But we should take particular notice of the 
 staggering amounts of violence brought down on the 
 nation's women and girls each and every day for no 
 other reason than who they are. They are attacked 
 because they are female
 
 We would become much more sane, much healthier, as a 
 society if we could bring ourselves to acknowledge 
 that misogyny is a serious and pervasive problem, 
 and that the twisted way so many men feel about 
 women, combined with the absurdly easy availability 
 of guns, is a toxic mix of the most tragic 
 proportions.
 
 Read more:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1
 
 http://tinyurl.com/nazqyf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Hi Judy, You beat me to it. I was going to post Violet Sock's blog about this 
 story which she says the media pretty much buried. Her take on it is that the 
 dudes don't see it as a hate crime. I'm glad to see Bob Herbert write about 
 it. 
 
 http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/08/07/dudes-search-for-something-important-in-hate-crime-to-be-upset-about/
 http://tinyurl.com/lcdlo2  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  From the New York Times:
  
  August 8, 2009
  Op-Ed Columnist
  Women at Risk 
  By BOB HERBERT
  
  I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-
  shaven, bathe, touch of cologne  yet 30 million 
  women rejected me, wrote George Sodini in a blog 
  that he kept while preparing for this week's 
  shooting in a Pennsylvania gym in which he killed 
  three women, wounded nine others and then killed 
  himself.
  
  We've seen this tragic ritual so often that it has 
  the feel of a formula. A guy is filled with a 
  seething rage toward women and has easy access to 
  guns. The result: mass slaughter
  
  We profess to being shocked at one or another of 
  these outlandish crimes, but the shock wears off 
  quickly in an environment in which the rape, murder 
  and humiliation of females is not only a staple of 
  the news, but an important cornerstone of the 
  nation's entertainment.
  
  The mainstream culture is filled with the most 
  gruesome forms of misogyny, and pornography is now a 
  multibillion-dollar industry  much of it controlled 
  by mainstream U.S. corporations. 
  
  One of the striking things about mass killings in 
  the U.S. is how consistently we find that the 
  killers were riddled with shame and sexual 
  humiliation, which they inevitably blamed on women 
  and girls. The answer to their feelings of 
  inadequacy was to get their hands on a gun (or guns) 
  and begin blowing people away
  
  Life in the United States is mind-bogglingly 
  violent. But we should take particular notice of the 
  staggering amounts of violence brought down on the 
  nation's women and girls each and every day for no 
  other reason than who they are. They are attacked 
  because they are female
  
  We would become much more sane, much healthier, as a 
  society if we could bring ourselves to acknowledge 
  that misogyny is a serious and pervasive problem, 
  and that the twisted way so many men feel about 
  women, combined with the absurdly easy availability 
  of guns, is a toxic mix of the most tragic 
  proportions.
  
  Read more:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1
  
  http://tinyurl.com/nazqyf
 



Herbert obviously has a gun-control agenda and that's all very well and good.  
But, hey, Timothy McVeigh had a great hatred for the U.S. Government and he 
didn't use ANY guns in expressing that hatredall he needed was some 
fertilizer...and hundreds died.

Guns are really beside the point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation accordign to Brahma-suutras?

2009-08-08 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:
  
   http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-1-insy.html
  
   Adhikaranas IV, V, and VI: (Sutras 22; 23; and 24 to 27) teach that  
   the subtle bodies of the souls descending from the Chandraloka  
   through the ether, air, etc., do not become identical with ether,  
   air, etc., but only live there; that they descend in a short time.  
   On entering into a corn or a plant the soul remains merely in  
   contact with it which is already animated by another soul. The soul  
   after having entered into a corn or a plant, gets connected with him  
   who eats the corn or fruit of the plant and performs the act of  
   copulation. The soul remains with him till he enters into the  
   mother's womb with the seminal fluid injected. The soul ultimately  
   enters the mother's womb and is brought forth as a child.
  
  
  And here I always thought it was from watermelon seeds. Thank Agni and  
  Vedic science for setting me straight!
 
 
 According to Chaandogya (upaniSad of the chando-ga's, i.e.
 chandas-goers?) 

Oops! In that tatpuruSa compound 'ga' seems to be from the root
'gai' (to sing), not from 'gam' (to go):

 chandoga   m. (%{gai}) ` singer in metre ' , chanter'of the SV. 
, Udga1tr2i priest AitBr. iii , 32 S3Br. x S3a1n3khS3r. c. ; 

chAndogya   n. ` doctrine of the Chando-gas ' , a Bra1hman2a of the SV. 
(including the ChUp.) , Ka1tyS3r ' xxii Pa1n2. 4-3 , 129 Veda7ntas

[FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications.  My 
contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their tattoos 
and body modifications.

Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not, of 
course, judge a person on those bases.  But tattoos and body modifications are 
done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us to make judgements 
about people based on this visual observation, it is acceptable.  Why?  Because 
these things are an expression of one's inner person.

When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly 
discriminating.  What set this reaction off was that I said I would never do 
business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular with some 
young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of nickels -- 
with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be.  Just looking at those 
things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had that done to them were 
to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an IRA I would not do business 
with them solely on that basis...even if it turned out to be the greatest 
financial product there is.

And that really set people off.

But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on their 
cheek, would YOU do business with them?  

The response?  Silence.

Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas, 
certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with the 
realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate.  Both ends of 
the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of the inner 
person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not discriminate against 
that person on that basis?

[FairfieldLife] 'The Inside Scoop!/Obama The anti-Christ'

Ok, here we go...
We got the President we wanted, and now, for some...
Because he's black or because he want to help the poor...
Well, some have him branded as 'Not being born here'..(he's not one of us)...
Or, better yet, President Obama is the anti-Christ?!

OMG...what a bunch of retards! United States sure has it's share of retards...!

So, here's my take on who's the real anti-Christ...

From my knowledge, that Obama won the Presidency, was predicted in the:
The 'Dead Sea Scrolls'...
A portion said this: That there would be a leader, at the turn of this 
century...
Who would 'Lead the People astray, with his lying tongue!'

It goes on to say: 'That this lying leader, would be replaced with a prophet, 
who is called:
'The Righteous One'...who is Barack Obama...

So, I say, we've had several anti-Christs, since the WWII
Beginning with Adolf Hitler, in Germany...
With the end of the war, the remains of fascism slipped into the winners,
Of that war: The United States and the Soviet Union...
Many Nazis were given refuge because of their knowledge of rocket science...
Torture, drugs and all manner of evil intentions...
They were absorbed into the 'Intelligence Communities' of US and Soviet 
forces...

President Eisenhower, who led the Invasion that turned the tide, on D-Day...
Warned President Kennedy of a 'Military/Industrial' takeover of the United 
States...
This event started on November 22nd, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, with his murder, 
by forces in the CIA...
Bush senior was, working for the CIA, was present that day, in Dallas.
President Johnson, was sworn in, before Jackie had a chance to change her brain 
spattered  dress, full of blood... 1/2 hour later, before returning to 
Washington, with Kennedy's dead body...

Fast-forward, to 1979, and the 'Hostage Rescue Mission'...
The CIA, in coordination with the 'Reagan Campaign', sabotaged the hostage 
rescue mission, which made Carter look weak, and won Reagan the election...
Reagan had made some back room deal with the Iranians, before hand...

Reagan proceeded to sell out the United States, to the forces of the 'Military 
Industrial Complex'...
President Clinton, went along, for the most part...and then Bush finished the 
job, and Bankrupted the country...

And now, what a miracle...a black man wins the WH...
Senile Reagan turns in his grave...
Bush receads like the snake he is back to Dallas..

So, now is our chance, this is our time, to work with the forces of good 
against the forces of retards, to take:
Our Country Back!

r.g.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

2009-08-08 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:05 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications. My
contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their tattoos
and body modifications.

Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not,
of course, judge a person on those bases. But tattoos and body modifications
are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us to make
judgements about people based on this visual observation, it is acceptable.
Why? Because these things are an expression of one's inner person.

When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly
discriminating. What set this reaction off was that I said I would never do
business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular with
some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of
nickels -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be. Just
looking at those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had
that done to them were to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an
IRA I would not do business with them solely on that basis...even if it
turned out to be the greatest financial product there is.

And that really set people off.

But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on
their cheek, would YOU do business with them? 

The response? Silence.

Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas,
certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with
the realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate. Both
ends of the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of the
inner person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not discriminate
against that person on that basis?
Are you suggesting that society should discriminate against such people, by
not letting them eat in certain restaurants, for instance, or that you
should be free to discriminate by not doing business with them (which you
already are)?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Gillam

The media buried this story? It's been 
given loads of time on repeat days on
ABC's Good Morning America. 

Herbert's discussion of misogyny stops at 
our shores, but as I read his piece I couldn't 
help but think, The Taliban feel the way 
Sodini felt, too. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Hi Judy, You beat me to it. I was going to post Violet Sock's blog about this 
 story which she says the media pretty much buried. Her take on it is that the 
 dudes don't see it as a hate crime. I'm glad to see Bob Herbert write about 
 it. 
 
 http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/08/07/dudes-search-for-something-important-in-hate-crime-to-be-upset-about/
 http://tinyurl.com/lcdlo2  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  From the New York Times:
  
  August 8, 2009
  Op-Ed Columnist
  Women at Risk 
  By BOB HERBERT
  
  I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-
  shaven, bathe, touch of cologne  yet 30 million 
  women rejected me, wrote George Sodini in a blog 
  that he kept while preparing for this week's 
  shooting in a Pennsylvania gym in which he killed 
  three women, wounded nine others and then killed 
  himself.
  
  We've seen this tragic ritual so often that it has 
  the feel of a formula. A guy is filled with a 
  seething rage toward women and has easy access to 
  guns. The result: mass slaughter
  
  We profess to being shocked at one or another of 
  these outlandish crimes, but the shock wears off 
  quickly in an environment in which the rape, murder 
  and humiliation of females is not only a staple of 
  the news, but an important cornerstone of the 
  nation's entertainment.
  
  The mainstream culture is filled with the most 
  gruesome forms of misogyny, and pornography is now a 
  multibillion-dollar industry  much of it controlled 
  by mainstream U.S. corporations. 
  
  One of the striking things about mass killings in 
  the U.S. is how consistently we find that the 
  killers were riddled with shame and sexual 
  humiliation, which they inevitably blamed on women 
  and girls. The answer to their feelings of 
  inadequacy was to get their hands on a gun (or guns) 
  and begin blowing people away
  
  Life in the United States is mind-bogglingly 
  violent. But we should take particular notice of the 
  staggering amounts of violence brought down on the 
  nation's women and girls each and every day for no 
  other reason than who they are. They are attacked 
  because they are female
  
  We would become much more sane, much healthier, as a 
  society if we could bring ourselves to acknowledge 
  that misogyny is a serious and pervasive problem, 
  and that the twisted way so many men feel about 
  women, combined with the absurdly easy availability 
  of guns, is a toxic mix of the most tragic 
  proportions.
  
  Read more:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1
  
  http://tinyurl.com/nazqyf

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

2009-08-08 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:34 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

 Herbert obviously has a gun-control agenda and that's all very well and
good. But, hey, Timothy McVeigh had a great hatred for the U.S. Government
and he didn't use ANY guns in expressing that hatredall he needed was
some fertilizer...and hundreds died.

Guns are really beside the point. 

Where do you draw the line, Shemp? Automatic weapons? Assault rifles?
Bazookas? Suitcase nukes? The more powerful the weapon, the easier it is to
kill lots of people with it. Laws are meant to restrict individual liberties
to the extent necessary to prevent harm to other individuals. By that
definition, gun laws are too lax.

I assume it's illegal to buy all the components McVeigh used to build his
bomb, or at least it's necessary to show proof of why you need to buy them,
such as blasting caps. Would you agree that certain weapons should be
unobtainable, and/or that ownership of any weapon should require
registration at least as onerous as a driver's license?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relationship of Islam and 'La, la Land'...

2009-08-08 Thread Marek Reavis

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 I asked an Islamic guy, on State st., Madison, about the name(s) of God, in 
 the Islamic faith...
 He said, there's only one name of God: Allah
 Ok, what about Mohammahd, I asked..?
 No, he's like a prophet like Jesus or Moses, but not the name of God...
 
 So,  I heard, it's ' a good thang' if after you end a talk with one of our 
 Muslim brothers, to offer the saying: 'Jesus be with you'...as they see that 
 as an acknowledgement of their faith...
 
 So, back to the main topic:
 If you say this mantra, real fast...Allah, Allah, Allah...
 Afteer a while, it starts to sound like:
 La, la...La, la...la, la...
 ya all git the idea?...
 
 r.g.


**

The phrase, La'illaha il' Allahu, generally translated into English as There 
is no God but God, which I first heard in high school within a comparative 
religion course (it was a Jesuit high school), never made sense to me until I 
read one of Coleman Bark's introductions to his The Essential Rumi wherein he 
translates the phrase into two variants: there's no reality but God; there is 
only God.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:05 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

 I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications. My
 contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their tattoos
 and body modifications.

 Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not,
 of course, judge a person on those bases. But tattoos and body modifications
 are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us to make
 judgements about people based on this visual observation, it is acceptable.
 Why? Because these things are an expression of one's inner person.

 When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly
 discriminating. What set this reaction off was that I said I would never do
 business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular with
 some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of
 nickels -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be. Just
 looking at those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had
 that done to them were to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an
 IRA I would not do business with them solely on that basis...even if it
 turned out to be the greatest financial product there is.

 And that really set people off.

 But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on
 their cheek, would YOU do business with them? 

 The response? Silence.

 Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas,
 certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with
 the realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate. Both
 ends of the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of the
 inner person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not discriminate
 against that person on that basis?
 Are you suggesting that society should discriminate against such people, by
 not letting them eat in certain restaurants, for instance, or that you
 should be free to discriminate by not doing business with them (which you
 already are)?

The latter.

I don't know what you mean by society.  By law?  No, of course not.  They're 
not hurting anyone by having tattoos or modifications.  But if you mean by 
society via conventions or traditions that groups of individuals create or 
develope then I have no objection to that at all, as long as it isn't codified 
by law.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

shempmcgurk wrote:
 I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications.  My 
 contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their tattoos 
 and body modifications.

 Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not, 
 of course, judge a person on those bases.  But tattoos and body modifications 
 are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us to make 
 judgements about people based on this visual observation, it is acceptable.  
 Why?  Because these things are an expression of one's inner person.

 When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly 
 discriminating.  What set this reaction off was that I said I would never do 
 business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular with 
 some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of nickels 
 -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be.  Just looking at 
 those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had that done to 
 them were to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an IRA I would not 
 do business with them solely on that basis...even if it turned out to be the 
 greatest financial product there is.

 And that really set people off.

 But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on 
 their cheek, would YOU do business with them?  

 The response?  Silence.

 Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas, 
 certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with the 
 realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate.  Both ends of 
 the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of the inner 
 person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not discriminate against 
 that person on that basis?

 I sometimes wonder what the hell these people are thinking with the 
image they project.   One day I was standing in line at the local 
Hollywood Video and the guy in front of me had tattoos all over.  I had 
to resist asking him if The Illustrated Man was his favorite film.  A) 
he was probably born after the movie was made and never heard of it or  
B) may have laughed at the idea.  But more likely A and being a thuggish 
looking character probably would not have found the remark funny.  It 
would make a good gag for Larry David.

I always wondered why some people wanted to make themselves look like a 
thug?  To me it just looks like a joke making them out to be a joke.  I 
think in their pea brains they believe it makes them look tough.

OTOH, the rise in dressing casually in the country is probably a method 
of looking innocuous and keeping themselves out of trouble. Seeing 
someone in a business suit what do you think?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

2009-08-08 Thread WillyTex

do.rflex wrote:
 Go Ahead And Die!  
 
So, there's going to be a panel that
decides who lives and who dies. Some
will get their meds cut, others will
be told to just go and die. And they
call that a care plan?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relationship of Islam and 'La, la Land'...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:

 Comment below:
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  I asked an Islamic guy, on State st., Madison, about the name(s) of God, in 
  the Islamic faith...
  He said, there's only one name of God: Allah
  Ok, what about Mohammahd, I asked..?
  No, he's like a prophet like Jesus or Moses, but not the name of God...
  
  So,  I heard, it's ' a good thang' if after you end a talk with one of our 
  Muslim brothers, to offer the saying: 'Jesus be with you'...as they see 
  that as an acknowledgement of their faith...
  
  So, back to the main topic:
  If you say this mantra, real fast...Allah, Allah, Allah...
  Afteer a while, it starts to sound like:
  La, la...La, la...la, la...
  ya all git the idea?...
  
  r.g.
 
 
 **
 
 The phrase, La'illaha il' Allahu, generally translated into English as 
 There is no God but God, which I first heard in high school within a 
 comparative religion course (it was a Jesuit high school), never made sense 
 to me until I read one of Coleman Bark's introductions to his The Essential 
 Rumi wherein he translates the phrase into two variants: there's no reality 
 but God; there is only God.

That sounds like this Buddhist guy, the other day, that was telling me there is 
really no good or evil...just God..
It's all a play...
Maya...
What do the Buddhist call Maya?
What is their term for it, anyone know?

Better yet, what do the Mayans call Maya?


r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications.  
  My contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their 
  tattoos and body modifications.
 
  Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not, 
  of course, judge a person on those bases.  But tattoos and body 
  modifications are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us 
  to make judgements about people based on this visual observation, it is 
  acceptable.  Why?  Because these things are an expression of one's inner 
  person.
 
  When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly 
  discriminating.  What set this reaction off was that I said I would never 
  do business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular 
  with some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of 
  nickels -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be.  Just 
  looking at those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had 
  that done to them were to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an 
  IRA I would not do business with them solely on that basis...even if it 
  turned out to be the greatest financial product there is.
 
  And that really set people off.
 
  But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on 
  their cheek, would YOU do business with them?  
 
  The response?  Silence.
 
  Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas, 
  certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with 
  the realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate.  Both 
  ends of the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of 
  the inner person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not 
  discriminate against that person on that basis?
 
  I sometimes wonder what the hell these people are thinking with the 
 image they project.   One day I was standing in line at the local 
 Hollywood Video and the guy in front of me had tattoos all over.  I had 
 to resist asking him if The Illustrated Man was his favorite film.  A) 
 he was probably born after the movie was made and never heard of it or  
 B) may have laughed at the idea.  But more likely A and being a thuggish 
 looking character probably would not have found the remark funny.  It 
 would make a good gag for Larry David.
 
 I always wondered why some people wanted to make themselves look like a 
 thug?  To me it just looks like a joke making them out to be a joke.  I 
 think in their pea brains they believe it makes them look tough.
 
 OTOH, the rise in dressing casually in the country is probably a method 
 of looking innocuous and keeping themselves out of trouble. Seeing 
 someone in a business suit what do you think?



I will be more predisposed to a person in a business suit than a thug 
plastered with tattoos, especially of the Nazi variety.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:

 do.rflex wrote:
  Go Ahead And Die!  
  
 So, there's going to be a panel that
 decides who lives and who dies. Some
 will get their meds cut, others will
 be told to just go and die. And they
 call that a care plan?

I thought that is what we have now...
Didn't Bush decide to call himself, 'The Decider'...

I guess you just don't get it...
If we take the profit out of health care...
Perhaps it won't cost an arm and a leg to get healthy...
If you worry about health care, that isn't healthy, right?
If the drug companies, want to make a billion more, this semester, than they 
charge more than they should, could or would...
If the Doctors, who like the MBA's and Lawyers, would behave like normal 
humans, with some regard for human life, above profit, well maybe that would be 
healthy...

You can't have a killing machine running the military/industrial complex, 
handling health care, because they are more into death, than life...
It's all upside down and backwards...and the lie is going to finally come to an 
end, soon...

r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  shempmcgurk wrote:
   I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications. 
My contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their 
   tattoos and body modifications.
  
   Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should 
   not, of course, judge a person on those bases.  But tattoos and body 
   modifications are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for 
   us to make judgements about people based on this visual observation, it 
   is acceptable.  Why?  Because these things are an expression of one's 
   inner person.
  
   When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly 
   discriminating.  What set this reaction off was that I said I would never 
   do business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular 
   with some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size 
   of nickels -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be.  
   Just looking at those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone 
   who had that done to them were to try to sell me, say, a financial 
   product like an IRA I would not do business with them solely on that 
   basis...even if it turned out to be the greatest financial product there 
   is.
  
   And that really set people off.
  
   But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on 
   their cheek, would YOU do business with them?  
  
   The response?  Silence.
  
   Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from 
   swaztikas, certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and 
   that I am with the realm of reason to use these things as a basis to 
   discriminate.  Both ends of the spectrum are done of free choice and both 
   are expressions of the inner person...and if I am made uncomfortable by 
   them, why not discriminate against that person on that basis?
  
   I sometimes wonder what the hell these people are thinking with the 
  image they project.   One day I was standing in line at the local 
  Hollywood Video and the guy in front of me had tattoos all over.  I had 
  to resist asking him if The Illustrated Man was his favorite film.  A) 
  he was probably born after the movie was made and never heard of it or  
  B) may have laughed at the idea.  But more likely A and being a thuggish 
  looking character probably would not have found the remark funny.  It 
  would make a good gag for Larry David.
  
  I always wondered why some people wanted to make themselves look like a 
  thug?  To me it just looks like a joke making them out to be a joke.  I 
  think in their pea brains they believe it makes them look tough.
  
  OTOH, the rise in dressing casually in the country is probably a method 
  of looking innocuous and keeping themselves out of trouble. Seeing 
  someone in a business suit what do you think?
 
 
 
 I will be more predisposed to a person in a business suit than a thug 
 plastered with tattoos, especially of the Nazi variety.

I know a guy like that, that got save by Jesus...
Seems, it easier to get saved by Jesus, then have your tattoos removed!
r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relationship of Islam and 'La, la Land'...

2009-08-08 Thread Marek Reavis

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
 
  Comment below:
  
  **
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
  
   I asked an Islamic guy, on State st., Madison, about the name(s) of God, 
   in the Islamic faith...
   He said, there's only one name of God: Allah
   Ok, what about Mohammahd, I asked..?
   No, he's like a prophet like Jesus or Moses, but not the name of God...
   
   So,  I heard, it's ' a good thang' if after you end a talk with one of 
   our Muslim brothers, to offer the saying: 'Jesus be with you'...as they 
   see that as an acknowledgement of their faith...
   
   So, back to the main topic:
   If you say this mantra, real fast...Allah, Allah, Allah...
   Afteer a while, it starts to sound like:
   La, la...La, la...la, la...
   ya all git the idea?...
   
   r.g.
  
  
  **
  
  The phrase, La'illaha il' Allahu, generally translated into English as 
  There is no God but God, which I first heard in high school within a 
  comparative religion course (it was a Jesuit high school), never made sense 
  to me until I read one of Coleman Bark's introductions to his The 
  Essential Rumi wherein he translates the phrase into two variants: 
  there's no reality but God; there is only God.
 
 That sounds like this Buddhist guy, the other day, that was telling me there 
 is really no good or evil...just God..
 It's all a play...
 Maya...
 What do the Buddhist call Maya?
 What is their term for it, anyone know?
 
 Better yet, what do the Mayans call Maya?
 
 
 r.g.


**

Any idea if Mayan religion incorporated monism within its philosophy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:

  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
  Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:05 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

  I recently had an online discussion about tattoos and body modifications. My
  contention was that it is okay to prejudge people by virtue of their tattoos
  and body modifications.

  Skin color and beauty are things we have no control over and we should not,
  of course, judge a person on those bases. But tattoos and body modifications
  are done out of free choice and not only is it natural for us to make
  judgements about people based on this visual observation, it is acceptable.
  Why? Because these things are an expression of one's inner person.

  When I made this observation it was suggested that I was being unfairly
  discriminating. What set this reaction off was that I said I would never do
  business with someone who had those god-awful round earrings, popular with
  some young men, that are embedded into ear lobes -- about the size of
  nickels -- with holes in them where the ear lobe is supposed to be. Just
  looking at those things make me VERY uncomfortable and if someone who had
  that done to them were to try to sell me, say, a financial product like an
  IRA I would not do business with them solely on that basis...even if it
  turned out to be the greatest financial product there is.

  And that really set people off.

  But then I countered with: if someone had a big, fat swaztika tattooed on
  their cheek, would YOU do business with them? 

  The response? Silence.

  Now, studs in lips or ear lobe modifications are a far cry from swaztikas,
  certainly, but I contend they are on the same spectrum and that I am with
  the realm of reason to use these things as a basis to discriminate. Both
  ends of the spectrum are done of free choice and both are expressions of the
  inner person...and if I am made uncomfortable by them, why not discriminate
  against that person on that basis?
  Are you suggesting that society should discriminate against such people, by
  not letting them eat in certain restaurants, for instance, or that you
  should be free to discriminate by not doing business with them (which you
  already are)?

 The latter.

 I don't know what you mean by society.  By law?  No, of course not.  
 They're not hurting anyone by having tattoos or modifications.  But if you 
 mean by society via conventions or traditions that groups of individuals 
 create or develop then I have no objection to that at all, as long as it 
 isn't codified by law.

Well, the Germans did take a stand on this issue, as they experienced first 
hand, the destruction of Hitler's Third Reich...
Any mention of Nazism in Germany is expressly and richly endowed as 'Against 
the Law' of that land...
Praise to the new Germany, that rose from the arrogant ashes of 
ass-holism...(Now, let's get those Nazi Bastards! you guy's...now take that 
bloody damn beach! You Bastards!)

r.g.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

shempmcgurk wrote:
 I will be more predisposed to a person in a business suit than a thug 
 plastered with tattoos, especially of the Nazi variety.

So what if the guy in the suit were really a Nazi and the guy with the 
tattoos just had the Nazi symbols because he thought they were cool?  
What if the tattoos were swastikas and the guy also had a Sanskrit Om 
tattoo'd somewhere?  You might have an Indiaphile in that case.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation accordign to Brahma-suutras?

2009-08-08 Thread John

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:
  
   http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-1-insy.html
  
   Adhikaranas IV, V, and VI: (Sutras 22; 23; and 24 to 27) teach that  
   the subtle bodies of the souls descending from the Chandraloka  
   through the ether, air, etc., do not become identical with ether,  
   air, etc., but only live there; that they descend in a short time.  
   On entering into a corn or a plant the soul remains merely in  
   contact with it which is already animated by another soul. The soul  
   after having entered into a corn or a plant, gets connected with him  
   who eats the corn or fruit of the plant and performs the act of  
   copulation. The soul remains with him till he enters into the  
   mother's womb with the seminal fluid injected. The soul ultimately  
   enters the mother's womb and is brought forth as a child.
  
  
  And here I always thought it was from watermelon seeds. Thank Agni and  
  Vedic science for setting me straight!
 
 
 According to Chaandogya (upaniSad of the chando-ga's, i.e.
 chandas-goers?) at least sesamum and beans:
 
 
 The Sruti says, 'Having become a cloud he rains down. Then he is born as rice 
 and corn, herbs and trees, sesamum and beans. From thence the escape is beset 
 with many difficulties. For whoever the persons may be that eat the food, and 
 beget offspring, he henceforth becomes like unto them' (Chh. Up. V.10.5).

What do the books say about plants that induce psychedelic experiences like 
ayahuasca, marijuana or cocaine?  Do they contain souls from other planets or 
from the earth?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Make Your Own FFL Movies

mirza wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:
   
 Bhairitu wrote:
 
 If you can type you can make a movie:
 http://www.xtranormal.com/

 I've made a number of 3D movies, some on YouTube.  Those used iClone or 
 MovieStorm both are somewhat difficult to use.  Haven't done one with 
 this yet but it looks much simpler and you can use it for free.  I can 
 about image the kind of movies FFL'ers will come up with.  Let'er roll!
   
 Here's my first attempt.  Unfortunately the voices are more robotic than 
 I'd like but that is the state of artificial voice at the moment.
 http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090807173336103

 
 Cool. I want to make one of a giant twinkie and then make it eat itself. That 
 would be entertainment.

You can't do that with their free current software. Maybe with the 
desktop version which you can get for subscribing for a year for $40 
though I don't think that ability is there yet.  I may bite on the $40 a 
year thing to do the animations on my desktop much faster than online.  
Plus you can use your own voice, sound effects and audio.  Maybe even 
author your own sets.

Currently you can do what you want with Anime Studio which is Manga type 
animation program.  One has to be an artist to use it though.  The lite 
version is $50 though I was able to buy after rebate for $10.  Haven't 
done that much with it though I'll use it for some fun animations  to 
send friends.

Back in the early 1990's Microsoft came out with a program called 3D 
Movie Maker (actually they bought it from a small company).  That 
program got it right as far as making little 3D animations easily.   
Unfortunately it came out at a time where making video files and 
distributing them online was yet possible since most people did not have 
that bandwidth and computers could only display postage stamp size 
videos.   Instead the program generate an .exe which would play the 
animation and could be put on floppy.

Programs like Poser, iClone and MovieStorm do character animation.  
Poser has become a means for people making 3D porn because they've gone 
for realism and anatomically correct models.  I talked once with the 
program's producer who knew damn well they were selling lots of copies 
just for that.  Poser has a frustrating interface by Kai (don't remember 
his last name) and it is easy to mess up a model animation.  iClone is 
easier to use but also going for more realism but their product has 
always been unbalanced and they provide a well balanced set of props, 
etc.   Fine if you want to do rap videos or dragon fantasies.   
MovieStorm is free and somewhat easy to use.  I can be easier to set up 
shots and create sets.   While Poser and iClone can import 3D models 
from other sources and MovieStorm last I used it didn't have that.  Also 
Poser and iClone allow for models with custom faces.  IOW, you can put a 
friend's face on a model and have them do ridiculous things.  MovieStorm 
last I used it didn't have that ability.

As a programmer I've been tempted to build my own.  Movie directors hire 
3D animation house to do pre-viz animations of their movie.  Most of 
these house use 3D Studio, an expensive program originally created by 
AutoDesk.  But the pre-vis often to save time and expense use very basic 
un-realistic models.  What I wanted to do was build a program that could 
do the un-realistic modeling.  Artists want the realism but people who 
want to create a small video to put on YouTube don't need it.   This 
also seems what the Xtranormal people discovered.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anyone interested in throwing rocks in the lake and talking spiritual esoteric

mirza wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:
   

 So you found this group and what were your expectations? 

 Yes it is a group of people who have practiced, taught and some still 
 practice TM.   Many have gone off to other traditions.   Many started in 
 the 1960s or 1970s.   So they been there, got the t-shirt, the t-shirt 
 wore out and was thrown in the garbage.  The spiritual horse gets 
 discussed and sometimes beat to death.  Enlightenment is for many is 
 like walking and talked about as much.  Of course there are a few who 
 are trying to figure out what their feet and legs are for.  There are 
 some academic nit-picking among those whom the academic side of things 
 appeal.  But  much of that is a waste of time.  So if you were hoping to 
 spark up some discussion you have about as much chance here as stumbling 
 into a coterie of yogis in India except that here you wouldn't have 
 pranks pulled on  you like the Indian yogis would.

 Got a question?

 
 Looks to me like I DID start up a discussion. Yup, in any way that one can be 
 described. And I'm happy enough with that. Obviously I won't agree with every 
 one's opinion.There is some pretention on the site, some domineerance, some 
 egoism. But it is mixed in with some very valuable and apreciated discussions 
 about things I have found important to me for years. C'mon, I don't have to 
 marry you guys.Thank God. And I would be shocked if no one ever wanted to go 
 throw rocks at a pond and talk about opinions or experiences or 
 contemplations with other people. If no one wants to from here,It just means 
 I didn't find those people here. So what? So if you think I'm wasting my 
 time, reply to someone elses thread. Or maybe mine is interesting after all? 
 what question would you like me to ask you? I did ask a question, but which 
 one do you desire me to ask?

What I was trying to do was deflect something that often happens to 
newcomers who log on and try the hey folks lets have a discussion on 
this or that...  What happens is someone here will jump on that person 
for being so presumptuous and chew them out usually result in Alex 
posting they have unsubscribed.   This group can be cliquish but it is 
also open to newcomers but you have to approach the group much more 
subtly.   We're all wary of people coming here and wanting to hijack the 
group to their spiritual concerns or believe the group is for purely 
spiritual discussion (and as Rick pointed out wholeness is spirituality 
so any topic goes) .  And there are spiritual discussions here but they 
will pop up more spontaneous than contrived.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Relationship of Islam and 'La, la Land'...

Marek Reavis wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
 
 Comment below:

 **

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
   
 I asked an Islamic guy, on State st., Madison, about the name(s) of God, 
 in the Islamic faith...
 He said, there's only one name of God: Allah
 Ok, what about Mohammahd, I asked..?
 No, he's like a prophet like Jesus or Moses, but not the name of God...

 So,  I heard, it's ' a good thang' if after you end a talk with one of our 
 Muslim brothers, to offer the saying: 'Jesus be with you'...as they see 
 that as an acknowledgement of their faith...

 So, back to the main topic:
 If you say this mantra, real fast...Allah, Allah, Allah...
 Afteer a while, it starts to sound like:
 La, la...La, la...la, la...
 ya all git the idea?...

 r.g.

 
 **

 The phrase, La'illaha il' Allahu, generally translated into English as 
 There is no God but God, which I first heard in high school within a 
 comparative religion course (it was a Jesuit high school), never made sense 
 to me until I read one of Coleman Bark's introductions to his The 
 Essential Rumi wherein he translates the phrase into two variants: 
 there's no reality but God; there is only God.

   
 That sounds like this Buddhist guy, the other day, that was telling me there 
 is really no good or evil...just God..
 It's all a play...
 Maya...
 What do the Buddhist call Maya?
 What is their term for it, anyone know?

 Better yet, what do the Mayans call Maya?


 r.g.

 

 **

 Any idea if Mayan religion incorporated monism within its philosophy?

I have a book written by an Indian historian who puts forth the theory 
that Mexico was populated over a 1000 years ago by Indian sailors who 
got off course.  India once had a great navy in those early times.  
That's why some Mayan and Aztec temples resemble Shiva temples.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

WillyTex wrote:
 do.rflex wrote:
   
 Go Ahead And Die!  

 
 So, there's going to be a panel that
 decides who lives and who dies. Some
 will get their meds cut, others will
 be told to just go and die. And they
 call that a care plan?

You haven't read the bill have you? Or even the section on that?  It's 
about recommending everyone have a living will.  IOW, do you want to 
be put on life support or not?   It's a good idea to have one.  Many 
here are not afraid of death and probably don't relish the idea of being 
stuck in an dysfunction body as a vegetable with slim chance of ever 
regaining full capability.

Do you want to be a vegatable, Willy?  Oh course some of us think you're 
one already.  A turnip perhaps. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendental Meditation deniers

2009-08-08 Thread ruthsimplicity

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  
   On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:23 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
   
Om, the TM deniers. What is it they hate so much
about TM? On a scale of things, the things they dislike so much that  
would set them to work so hard against things TM?
Just wondering.
   
   Om, I don't know any TM deniers, but my guess is what is so upsetting  
   to many people is when a group claiming to have spiritual truths  
   constantly bombards the media outlets with lies and exaggerations--and  
   then enlists their own members to cover their tracks by hiding in blog  
   and in newspaper article comment sections.
   
  
  Of the activist Transcendental Meditation haters fighting TM on these blogs 
  and who would go out  show up in public meetings aagainst TM like at 
  meetings opposing DLF, are the deniers mostly Christians doing their 
  fundamentalist thing?some TM quitters?
  
  What do you see?
  
  Just wondering.
 
 
 
 Reading these replies and looking at those anti-TM webpages,
 
 seems there are at least four types of Transcendental Meditation deniers.
 
 
 TM deniers:
 
 1. upsetting to many people is when a group claiming to have spiritual 
 truths constantly bombards the media outlets with lies and exaggerations
 
 2. Losers are provoked by success.
 
 3.religious fundamentalism
 
 4. It's just that it's so entertaining  For fun.


For me, because I was involved with TM and know people lost to the cult of TMO, 
I sometimes comment when unsupported claims are promoted as The Proven Truth.  
I also sometimes defend critics when they get attacked by the TM'ers.  I find 
myself bothered when people assume that there is something wrong with you if 
you criticize.  So the TBs get to go on and on promoting TM, making all sorts 
of unsupported claims, but when Mike or Ruth or John Knapp says something 
critical we are accused of having an agenda, of being stupid, of being mentally 
ill (?!), or even psychopaths!  I suppose to people looking in the TBs come off 
looking pretty bad when this happens.  Frankly, one reason I came to my own 
negative conclusions about TM is due to how TMists and TBs act and sound, both 
in person and on the net.   

As far as your points, if people think TM is great for them maybe it is, maybe 
it isn't.   I'd like to know what their families think. :) 

I haven't been to a site where religious fundamentalists attack the TBs.  Bet 
they both come off looking bad.  

I don't find it fun at all to engage and often take long breaks.  I rarely post 
here anymore because it is not very enjoyable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

2009-08-08 Thread ruthsimplicity

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:

 do.rflex wrote:
  Go Ahead And Die!  
  
 So, there's going to be a panel that
 decides who lives and who dies. Some
 will get their meds cut, others will
 be told to just go and die. And they
 call that a care plan?


Get a checking.  This is not true.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Hi Judy, You beat me to it. I was going to post Violet
 Sock's blog about this story which she says the media
 pretty much buried. Her take on it is that the dudes
 don't see it as a hate crime. I'm glad to see Bob
 Herbert write about it.

That's the main reason I posted it. Some of the men
on this forum seem to think the misogyny in this 
country and the resulting violence against women is
just a feminist victim fantasy.

[FairfieldLife] 'You have the right to remain Silent!'

Or, 
You could speak up, in the face of lies, mis -truths, falsehoods, half-baked 
cookies and misnomers...
The choice is yours...
Don't blow it, this time, again, you fools!

-Roberto De Sade

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tattoos, body modifications, and the inner you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  I will be more predisposed to a person in a business suit than a thug 
  plastered with tattoos, especially of the Nazi variety.
 
 So what if the guy in the suit were really a Nazi and the guy with the 
 tattoos just had the Nazi symbols because he thought they were cool?  
 What if the tattoos were swastikas and the guy also had a Sanskrit Om 
 tattoo'd somewhere?  You might have an Indiaphile in that case.



...then I'd be up shit creek.

But I think I'll go with the odds.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation accordign to Brahma-suutras?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:
   
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-1-insy.html
   
Adhikaranas IV, V, and VI: (Sutras 22; 23; and 24 to 27) teach that  
the subtle bodies of the souls descending from the Chandraloka  
through the ether, air, etc., do not become identical with ether,  
air, etc., but only live there; that they descend in a short time.  
On entering into a corn or a plant the soul remains merely in  
contact with it which is already animated by another soul. The soul  
after having entered into a corn or a plant, gets connected with him  
who eats the corn or fruit of the plant and performs the act of  
copulation. The soul remains with him till he enters into the  
mother's womb with the seminal fluid injected. The soul ultimately  
enters the mother's womb and is brought forth as a child.
   
   
   And here I always thought it was from watermelon seeds. Thank Agni and  
   Vedic science for setting me straight!
  
  
  According to Chaandogya (upaniSad of the chando-ga's, i.e.
  chandas-goers?) at least sesamum and beans:
  
  
  The Sruti says, 'Having become a cloud he rains down. Then he is born as 
  rice and corn, herbs and trees, sesamum and beans. From thence the escape 
  is beset with many difficulties. For whoever the persons may be that eat 
  the food, and beget offspring, he henceforth becomes like unto them' (Chh. 
  Up. V.10.5).
 
 What do the books say about plants that induce psychedelic experiences like 
 ayahuasca, marijuana or cocaine?  Do they contain souls from other planets or 
 from the earth?
 
This is the story, which I heard:

Marijuana was brought to this planet, by the Mariuanians, in around, 5500 BC...

It was first cultivated by the Aryans in the Mountains of Tibet, and was given 
to the Egyptians for the African Continent...
Christopher Columbus introduced herb to the 'New World'...

It is said that the mushroom, of the Shamans, is the 'Soma' of the Rig Veda...

http://www.somashamans.com/

[FairfieldLife] Health Insurance Reform: President's Weekly Radio Address

Partial transcript:

As we draw close to finalizing and passing real
health insurance reform, the defenders of the
status quo and political point-scorers in Washington
are growing fiercer in their opposition. In recent
days and weeks, some have been using misleading
information to defeat what they know is the best
chance of reform we have ever had. That is why it is
important, especially now, as Senators and
Representatives head home and meet with their
constituents, for you, the American people, to have
all the facts.

So, let me explain what reform will mean for you.
And let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors
that reform will promote euthanasia, cut Medicaid,
or bring about a government takeover of health care.
That's simply not true. This isn't about putting
government in charge of your health insurance; it's
about putting you in charge of your health
insurance. Under the reforms we seek, if you like
your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like
your health care plan, you can keep your health care
plan.

And while reform is obviously essential for the 46
million Americans who don't have health insurance,
it will also provide more stability and security to
the hundreds of millions who do. Right now, we have
a system that works well for the insurance industry,
but that doesn't always work well for you. What we
need, and what we will have when we pass health
insurance reform, are consumer protections to make
sure that those who have insurance are treated
fairly and that insurance companies are held
accountable.

We will require insurance companies to cover routine
checkups and preventive care, like mammograms,
colonoscopies, or eye and foot exams for diabetics,
so we can avoid chronic illnesses that cost too many
lives and too much money.

We will stop insurance companies from denying
coverage because of a person's medical history. I
will never forget watching my own mother, as she
fought cancer in her final days, worrying about
whether her insurer would claim her illness was a
preexisting condition. I have met so many Americans
who worry about the same thing. That's why, under
these reforms, insurance companies will no longer be
able to deny coverage because of a previous illness
or injury. And insurance companies will no longer be
allowed to drop or water down coverage for someone
who has become seriously ill. Your health insurance
ought to be there for you when it counts and
reform will make sure it is.

With reform, insurance companies will also have to
limit how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket
expenses. And we will stop insurance companies from
placing arbitrary caps on the amount of coverage you
can receive in a given year or a lifetime because no
one in America should go broke because of illness.

In the end, the debate about health insurance reform
boils down to a choice between two approaches. The
first is almost guaranteed to double health costs
over the next decade, make millions more Americans
uninsured, leave those with insurance vulnerable to
arbitrary denials of coverage, and bankrupt state
and federal governments. That's the status quo.
That's the health care system we have right now.

So, we can either continue this approach, or we can
choose another one one that will protect people
against unfair insurance practices; provide quality,
affordable insurance to every American; and bring
down rising costs that are swamping families,
businesses, and our budgets. That's the health care
system we can bring about with reform.

There are those who are focused on the so-called
politics of health care; who are trying to exploit
differences or concerns for political gain. That's
to be expected. That's Washington. But let's never
forget that this isn't about politics. This is about
people's lives. This is about people's businesses.
This is about America's future. That's what is at
stake. That's why health insurance reform is so
important. And that's why we must get this done
and why we will get this done by the end of this
year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Obama-Calls-Health-Insurance-Reform-Key-to-Stronger-Economy-and-Improvement-on-Status-Quo/

http://tinyurl.com/mfau2e

[FairfieldLife] WOFFL 1 -- The V Word

2009-08-08 Thread TurquoiseB

So.

There's this concept in France called going on vacation.

Every summer, millions of French persons cut all their lines
to any human being they are connected to -- via phone, busi-
ness, Internet, or social networks -- and go on vacation. 
They pack as much as they can into their cars, lock the 
apartment in Paris, and go on a Road Trip. 

Because the French work ethic values going on vacation far 
more than it values, say, working, French vacations tend to be
sacrosanct -- real vacations. Don't even *think* about calling 
the only guy in the universe who can help you fix the bug in 
your code when he's on vacation. That's not cool, and nigh 
unto religious heresy. 

The bug can wait. The customer who is complaining that this 
bug is costing him tens of thousands of dollars a day can 
wait. The dude is on vacation, man. It's August. You just 
don't FUCK with vacation in France in August. The vacation 
is holy.  

So.

I'm on vacation.

Like Curtis was able to do a few months ago, I have the 
opportunity to just cut myself off from all of my patterns, 
all of my normal ways of doing things, and just be on
vacation.

While many of the French loaded up their cars and headed
for Spain, I loaded up mine and drove off with my dogs and 
several friends to the French Pyrenees, where we will be 
spending a delightful few weeks in a place we scored by 
house-swapping it for our respective abodes in Sitges. 
The people who live in the perpetually-perfect climate of 
the Pyrenees are for some reason so bored with perfection 
that they were willing to swap their cool, comfortable 
property in France for our non-air-conditioned apartments 
in Spain for several weeks in August. I was in Sitges last 
August and I still break into a sweat just thinking about 
it. We definitely got the better part of the deal. 

Anyway, I'm going to be away for a while. And while away
I'm going to try to do with Fairfield Life the same thing 
I am doing (in the finest French tradition) with my employer
and other contacts. I am trying to cut the cord, but in
my own kinda bent Uncle Tantra way.

This is an experiment in (because every TM-related scien-
tific experiment needs a title) Write Only Fairfield Life, 
or WOFFL. The subtitle of the experiment might be, Can one 
successfully continue to post to FFL with some relevance 
without ever bothering to read it?

Personally, I don't think that'll be much of a problem. :-)
It's not as if the place hasn't grown predictable and 
boring. Any of us knows well ahead of time what the main 
topics of conversation are going to be in any given week,
and what reading these posts is going to *feel* like. 

So, even though I'll probably have access to WiFi from time
to time, I don't really plan to read FFL while I'm away. 
Why ruin a nice vacation with the same old same old?

However, if I find myself having fun and feel like writing 
about it, I might post about what's going on, in Write Only 
mode. I probably won't respond to any followups, but please
don't take that personally. I'm on vacation. I don't *have* 
to read the followups, or any other post here. The vacation
is holy. Different rules apply to people in France who are 
on vacation.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] WOFFL 2 - The Pyrenees

2009-08-08 Thread TurquoiseB

Driving through the Pyrenees is always (for me) a high 
and uplifting experience. The roads are good, almost
always three lanes (one each way for normal driving,
and one for passing on hills), and the drivers are 
polite and aware. 

But the uplifting part is what you're driving *through*.
These are not old, worn-down-by-time pussy mountains 
like the Appalachians. These are *serious* mountains, 
often craggy and jutting up from the valley floor in 
sheer rock walls thousands of feet high. These are 
gnarly mountains, postcard-worthy mountains. 

And the weather. It changes constantly. On the Spanish
side it was still hot and sunny, not a cloud in the
sky. But crest the pass and suddenly we were driving
through a raging thunder and lightning storm, followed 
within minutes by driving through light rain and clouds 
that had decided to come down from the heavens to play. 
The clouds just picked a mountain and then cuddled up 
next to it for a while, and we got to drive through
the cloud as it cuddled. Think the mountain vistas from 
The Lord Of The Rings movies, but in a more serious 
mountain range. So the scenery alone is uplifting.

But for me, there is something about the Pyrenees that 
makes them far more interesting. 

There are not very many people here. 

By not very many I mean almost none. The Pyrenees 
are one of the least populous places on planet Earth. In 
satellite scans that measure the impact of human habita-
tion by showing the lights of cities and towns, the 
Pyrenees show up as almost a solid mass of black between
France and Spain. The light spatter is on the same
level of sparsity as it is in Tibet.

What that means (for me) is a simply stunning level of 
*silence*. It's like walking with an enlightened saint 
walking beside you, both of you inside his or her aura. 
There is just no static here. 

Think of humans as radio transmitters and our brains as
the receivers. In my view, everyone is psychic, whether
they admit to it or not. They are picking up (usually
subconsciously) on all of the thoughts and all of the
emotions of ALL of the people who surround them. Because
most people haven't ever been taught how to parse and 
filter this constant bombardment of thoughts and emo-
tions, they tend to mistake the thoughts and emotions
of others for their own, and thus over time come to 
believe that *their* minds are this noisy. That's what
I mean by static.

Here there is no static. Driving, yesterday, I noticed 
that unless one of my passengers said something to me, 
there was not a thought in my mind. insert obligatory 
snide crack from the Peanut Gallery here

Not one. Not the running commentary of background 
thoughts one gets used to in the city -- your own and 
others people's. Not yer normal Road Trip train of 
thoughts. Nada. Rien. Nichevo. Nothing. Bupkus. 
No thoughts at all. Just silence. 

Now imagine meditating here...

[FairfieldLife] [Breaking}Camp Randall Stadium tops Confed/Graves'

‘Revealed! Madison Stadium Sits Atop- Confederate Grave Yard’

Rumor, up here...
Has it...
 
That Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI...

Was built a top of a Confederate Graveyard!

Every year, home to the Great Wisconsin Badger Football Team...

The stadium blasts beer breaths of Victory!

As well, as housing events, seeing the likes of such greats as:
[ Micky Jagger and the Rolling Stones ]...

Gives a new image, to this Great Symbol of Wisconsin Supremacy...

In a world of ‘Liberalism’ we shout!
 ‘Death to the Bastard- Slave-Masters!’

-Roberto De Sade 

 Madison, USA...Hey, Yo!

[FairfieldLife] 'Revealed! Camp Randall Stadium Ghosts of Civil War...'

‘Revealed! 

Madison Stadium Built on Confederate Grave Yard’

Rumor has it, that Camp Randall Stadium, was built on top of a Confederate 
Graveyard!

Every year, home to the Great Wisconsin Badger Football Team...

As well, as housing events, such as Micky Jagger and the Rolling Stones...

Gives a new image, to this symbol of Wisconsin's Socialist Supremacy...

In a  world of ‘Liberalism’ 

We sing: 

‘Death to the Bastard- Slave-Masters!’
 
http://www.censusdiggins.com/prison_camp_randall.html

-Roberto De Sade

[FairfieldLife] Re: WOFFL 2 - The Pyrenees

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Driving through the Pyrenees is always (for me) a high 
 and uplifting experience. The roads are good, almost
 always three lanes (one each way for normal driving,
 and one for passing on hills), and the drivers are 
 polite and aware. 
 
 But the uplifting part is what you're driving *through*.
 These are not old, worn-down-by-time pussy mountains 
 like the Appalachians. These are *serious* mountains, 
 often craggy and jutting up from the valley floor in 
 sheer rock walls thousands of feet high. These are 
 gnarly mountains, postcard-worthy mountains. 
 
 And the weather. It changes constantly. On the Spanish
 side it was still hot and sunny, not a cloud in the
 sky. But crest the pass and suddenly we were driving
 through a raging thunder and lightning storm, followed 
 within minutes by driving through light rain and clouds 
 that had decided to come down from the heavens to play. 
 The clouds just picked a mountain and then cuddled up 
 next to it for a while, and we got to drive through
 the cloud as it cuddled. Think the mountain vistas from 
 The Lord Of The Rings movies, but in a more serious 
 mountain range. So the scenery alone is uplifting.
 
 But for me, there is something about the Pyrenees that 
 makes them far more interesting. 
 
 There are not very many people here. 
 
 By not very many I mean almost none. The Pyrenees 
 are one of the least populous places on planet Earth. In 
 satellite scans that measure the impact of human habita-
 tion by showing the lights of cities and towns, the 
 Pyrenees show up as almost a solid mass of black between
 France and Spain. The light spatter is on the same
 level of sparsity as it is in Tibet.
 
 What that means (for me) is a simply stunning level of 
 *silence*. It's like walking with an enlightened saint 
 walking beside you, both of you inside his or her aura. 
 There is just no static here. 
 
 Think of humans as radio transmitters and our brains as
 the receivers. In my view, everyone is psychic, whether
 they admit to it or not. They are picking up (usually
 subconsciously) on all of the thoughts and all of the
 emotions of ALL of the people who surround them. Because
 most people haven't ever been taught how to parse and 
 filter this constant bombardment of thoughts and emo-
 tions, they tend to mistake the thoughts and emotions
 of others for their own, and thus over time come to 
 believe that *their* minds are this noisy. That's what
 I mean by static.
 
 Here there is no static. Driving, yesterday, I noticed 
 that unless one of my passengers said something to me, 
 there was not a thought in my mind. insert obligatory 
 snide crack from the Peanut Gallery here
 
 Not one. Not the running commentary of background 
 thoughts one gets used to in the city -- your own and 
 others people's. Not yer normal Road Trip train of 
 thoughts. Nada. Rien. Nichevo. Nothing. Bupkus. 
 No thoughts at all. Just silence. 
 
 Now imagine meditating here...

Great Writing, Tourqoise Blue...
A+
Keep up the good work!

-Nurese Rachette

[FairfieldLife] 'Guru Deva Mantram'

This Guru Deva Mantram

Will release one from powerful illusions the serious effects of this 
Kali-uuahagam...

Very powerful...done in a few minute verses
effortlessly, as the same as you would think,
Any other thought...
Now, close the eyes, don't mind the time
...just a few repeatings is enough!

Shr Shr Jai Guruam Devam Namah Om...

Shr Shr Jai Maha Kali Jai Namah Om!

Jai Guru Dev!

[FairfieldLife] 'From the High Command!'

Love, love, love...

Breath it in, 
And breath it out.

Breath love in.
and breath love out!

From the High Command!

In the memory of our beloved Beatle...
Mr. John Lennon.

[FairfieldLife] Everybody's talking and no one says a word...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s10t32X5wvI

Title: John Lennon - Nobody Told Me lyrics
 

Everybody's talking and no one says a word
 
Everybody's making love and no one really cares

There's nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs.
Always something happening and nothing going on

There's always something happening cooking and nothing in the pot

They're starving back in China so finish what you got.
They're starving back in China so finish what you got.
Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Strange days indeed
strange days indeed.
Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move

Everyone's a winner
and no one seems to lose.
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu.
Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground

Everybody's crying and no one makes a sound.
There's a place for us in movies you just gotta stay around.

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Strange days indeed
most peculiar
Mama.
Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high

Everybody's flying and never touch the sky

There's Ufo's over New York and I ain't too surprised.
Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Nobody told me there'd be days like these

Strange days indeed
most peculiar. Mama.

Thank you, John...we still love you, John!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance Reform: President's Weekly Radio Address

Lots of rhetoric and diddly squat about a public option.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 Partial transcript:
 
 As we draw close to finalizing  and passing  real
 health insurance reform, the defenders of the 
 status quo and political point-scorers in Washington 
 are growing fiercer in their opposition. In recent 
 days and weeks, some have been using misleading 
 information to defeat what they know is the best 
 chance of reform we have ever had. That is why it is 
 important, especially now, as Senators and 
 Representatives head home and meet with their 
 constituents, for you, the American people, to have 
 all the facts.
 
 So, let me explain what reform will mean for you.  
 And let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors 
 that reform will promote euthanasia, cut Medicaid, 
 or bring about a government takeover of health care. 
 That's simply not true. This isn't about putting 
 government in charge of your health insurance; it's 
 about putting you in charge of your health 
 insurance. Under the reforms we seek, if you like 
 your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like 
 your health care plan, you can keep your health care 
 plan.
 
 And while reform is obviously essential for the 46 
 million Americans who don't have health insurance, 
 it will also provide more stability and security to 
 the hundreds of millions who do. Right now, we have 
 a system that works well for the insurance industry, 
 but that doesn't always work well for you.  What we 
 need, and what we will have when we pass health 
 insurance reform, are consumer protections to make 
 sure that those who have insurance are treated 
 fairly and that insurance companies are held 
 accountable.
 
 We will require insurance companies to cover routine 
 checkups and preventive care, like mammograms, 
 colonoscopies, or eye and foot exams for diabetics, 
 so we can avoid chronic illnesses that cost too many 
 lives and too much money.
 
 We will stop insurance companies from denying 
 coverage because of a person's medical history.  I 
 will never forget watching my own mother, as she 
 fought cancer in her final days, worrying about 
 whether her insurer would claim her illness was a 
 preexisting condition. I have met so many Americans 
 who worry about the same thing. That's why, under 
 these reforms, insurance companies will no longer be 
 able to deny coverage because of a previous illness 
 or injury. And insurance companies will no longer be 
 allowed to drop or water down coverage for someone 
 who has become seriously ill. Your health insurance 
 ought to be there for you when it counts  and 
 reform will make sure it is.
 
 With reform, insurance companies will also have to 
 limit how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket 
 expenses.  And we will stop insurance companies from 
 placing arbitrary caps on the amount of coverage you 
 can receive in a given year or a lifetime because no 
 one in America should go broke because of illness.
 
 In the end, the debate about health insurance reform 
 boils down to a choice between two approaches. The 
 first is almost guaranteed to double health costs 
 over the next decade, make millions more Americans 
 uninsured, leave those with insurance vulnerable to 
 arbitrary denials of coverage, and bankrupt state 
 and federal governments. That's the status quo. 
 That's the health care system we have right now. 
 
 So, we can either continue this approach, or we can 
 choose another one  one that will protect people 
 against unfair insurance practices; provide quality, 
 affordable insurance to every American; and bring 
 down rising costs that are swamping families, 
 businesses, and our budgets. That's the health care 
 system we can bring about with reform.
 
 There are those who are focused on the so-called 
 politics of health care; who are trying to exploit 
 differences or concerns for political gain.  That's 
 to be expected. That's Washington. But let's never 
 forget that this isn't about politics. This is about 
 people's lives. This is about people's businesses. 
 This is about America's future. That's what is at 
 stake. That's why health insurance reform is so 
 important. And that's why we must get this done  
 and why we will get this done  by the end of this 
 year.
 
 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Obama-Calls-Health-Insurance-Reform-Key-to-Stronger-Economy-and-Improvement-on-Status-Quo/
 
 http://tinyurl.com/mfau2e

[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Insurance Reform: President's Weekly Radio Address

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Lots of rhetoric and diddly squat about a public option.

I think he's describing what he's pretty sure he's
going to get, and not promising anything he's
uncertain about. The provisions he lists are
just crucially important.

He's said over and over again that he would like a
public option. I don't see any reason to think that
he really *doesn't* want it. But there's *huge*
opposition to it, and he'd rather get what he
outlines here than have the whole thing go down in
flames because he's insisted on a public option.

I don't know whether he could have gotten a public
option if he'd been more forceful, but I seriously
doubt it.

I don't know whether it would have been better had
he put together a bill, handed it to Congress, and
told them to pass it, a la the Clintons, but he
obviously thought that wasn't the way to go, that
he'd be able to get more of what he wanted if he
instead told Congress what he wanted and had them
draft the bill.

I think he's doing the best he can against very,
very tough odds. Whether it's good enough, whether
it's the best that *can* be done, isn't clear yet,
at least not to me.

[FairfieldLife] 'Papa was a Nazi Stone...'

‘Papa Was a Nazi Stone...’

Wherever he laid his hat, was our home...
And when he died, all he left us, was alone...

Papa, was a nazi stone...
And when he died...
And so on, and so's forth...

From the Secrest files of:

Master Cylinder Senator Prescotte Bush III
-from the Great State of Berlin, Germany...1933...long live der f’er...

[FairfieldLife] Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

...having been bitten by the TMO as an unrecertified teacher wanting  
to share the teaching you preserve through your practice? Have you  
considered joining a movement like the Vedic Meditation movement and  
share the gift you enjoy?


http://www.introtomeditation.com/

I can imagine a number of spinoffs inspired Ex-TM teachers could share:

Tantric Mantra Meditation

Transcendental Silence Meditation

Bija Mantra Meditation

Ishta-Devata Meditation

...and any number of variations.

The possibilities are endless for the aspiring ex-TM teacher, esp. if  
you're near or in retirement and want something rewarding to do with  
your time.


Have you or any of the other ex-TM teachers here considered that  
(Shemp? Raunchy D? Rick? Barry? Nabby? Dorflx? etc.) What would you  
call it? Are you too attached to the old name or is the innocent  
experience more important and the name less so?

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Guru Deva Mantram'



On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Robert wrote:


This Guru Deva Mantram

Will release one from powerful illusions the serious effects of this  
Kali-uuahagam...


Very powerful...done in a few minute verses
effortlessly, as the same as you would think,
Any other thought...
Now, close the eyes, don't mind the time
...just a few repeatings is enough!

Shr Shr Jai Guruam Devam Namah Om...

Shr Shr Jai Maha Kali Jai Namah Om!

Jai Guru Dev!



If I had to come up with a name for a Swami Brahmananda Guru mantra, I  
think I'd chose something like:


Aum Aieeng Shreeng Hreeng Kleeng Bramananda Namaaha

I'd link my visualization, to establish the field of practice, as SBS  
in front of me, connected to the upper chakras -- light streaming from  
his upper chakras into mine and then just dissolve into simple mental  
meditation of mantra at the level of the heart.


Ever try that kind of meditation?

[FairfieldLife] The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

2009-08-08 Thread do.rflex



[NOTE: Very intense video report.]


Maddow and Franklin Schaeffer on threat posed by right-wing extremism 


- Rachel shows examples of extreme hate from prominent right wingers and 
corporate shills from right wing corporate fronts -

- Then Franklin Schaeffer, the author of 'Crazy For God' and a man who knows 
whereof he speaks when it comes to the great white underbelly of the American 
Right, really laid it out last night on Rachel Maddow's show:


Schaeffer: The far right knows they have lost, they've lost the hearts and 
minds of most American people, for instance, who want health care. But they 
also know that they have a large group of people who are not well-informed, who 
listen to only their own sources, who buy the lies -- for instance, all this 
nonsense about euthanasia being mandatory, and all the rest of it. And these 
people can be energized to go out and do really dreadful things.

And we've seen it in front of abortion clinics, I'm afraid we're going to see 
it with some of our political leaders. And the Glenn Becks of this world 
literally are responsible for unleashing what I regard as an anti-democratic, 
anti-American movement in this country... 

Watch the whole segment: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002034/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

No, I have never considered it and would never consider it.

If I ever aspired to teach TM, I would get myself certified and do it through 
the auspices of the TMO.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 ...having been bitten by the TMO as an unrecertified teacher wanting  
 to share the teaching you preserve through your practice? Have you  
 considered joining a movement like the Vedic Meditation movement and  
 share the gift you enjoy?
 
 http://www.introtomeditation.com/
 
 I can imagine a number of spinoffs inspired Ex-TM teachers could share:
 
 Tantric Mantra Meditation
 
 Transcendental Silence Meditation
 
 Bija Mantra Meditation
 
 Ishta-Devata Meditation
 
 ...and any number of variations.
 
 The possibilities are endless for the aspiring ex-TM teacher, esp. if  
 you're near or in retirement and want something rewarding to do with  
 your time.
 
 Have you or any of the other ex-TM teachers here considered that  
 (Shemp? Raunchy D? Rick? Barry? Nabby? Dorflx? etc.) What would you  
 call it? Are you too attached to the old name or is the innocent  
 experience more important and the name less so?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

2009-08-08 Thread Nelson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

  Herbert obviously has a gun-control agenda and that's all very well and
 good. But, hey, Timothy McVeigh had a great hatred for the U.S. Government
 and he didn't use ANY guns in expressing that hatredall he needed was
 some fertilizer...and hundreds died.

 Guns are really beside the point. 

 Where do you draw the line, Shemp? Automatic weapons? Assault rifles?
 Bazookas? Suitcase nukes? The more powerful the weapon, the easier it is to
 kill lots of people with it. Laws are meant to restrict individual liberties
 to the extent necessary to prevent harm to other individuals. By that
 definition, gun laws are too lax.

 +++  To the criminal element, laws are meaningless and only create more 
 burden for good citizens.
 I assume it's illegal to buy all the components McVeigh used to build his
 bomb, or at least it's necessary to show proof of why you need to buy them,
 such as blasting caps. Would you agree that certain weapons should be
 unobtainable, and/or that ownership of any weapon should require
 registration at least as onerous as a driver's license?

  Some very serious stuff can be made out of supplies found at the local 
supermarket and hardware store.

[FairfieldLife] ‘Hey Elsie, Do you remember Reagan?’



I think so, but am not sure...
Wasn’t he the one that was senile...
I don’t know, I forgot, what we were talking about...

Why don’t ya cha go and take another blue pill, Harry?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...



On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


No, I have never considered it and would never consider it.

If I ever aspired to teach TM, I would get myself certified and do  
it through the auspices of the TMO.


Interesting.

Thanks for also answering an earlier question.

Vedic Cold War town TM teachers slap their heals and fall in line. The  
TM Aryan elite lives in you Shemp.


Zig Marshee Mahesh Yogee! Purity!

Would you support the impure in any way? Is their soma OK? Come on  
Shemp!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 ...having been bitten by the TMO as an unrecertified teacher wanting
 to share the teaching you preserve through your practice? Have you
 considered joining a movement like the Vedic Meditation movement and
 share the gift you enjoy?

 http://www.introtomeditation.com/

 I can imagine a number of spinoffs inspired Ex-TM teachers could  
share:


 Tantric Mantra Meditation

 Transcendental Silence Meditation

 Bija Mantra Meditation

 Ishta-Devata Meditation

 ...and any number of variations.

 The possibilities are endless for the aspiring ex-TM teacher, esp.  
if

 you're near or in retirement and want something rewarding to do with
 your time.

 Have you or any of the other ex-TM teachers here considered that
 (Shemp? Raunchy D? Rick? Barry? Nabby? Dorflx? etc.) What would you
 call it? Are you too attached to the old name or is the innocent
 experience more important and the name less so?



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/225995

[FairfieldLife] Re: Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

2009-08-08 Thread Nelson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:

 do.rflex wrote:
  Go Ahead And Die!  
  
 So, there's going to be a panel that
 decides who lives and who dies. Some
 will get their meds cut, others will
 be told to just go and die. And they
 call that a care plan?

  I would wonder if these people don't plan to get old.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique to 
teach from a genuine guru.  You don't have an organization to deal with 
and can teach freely on your own.  That's what I did.

Vaj wrote:

 On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 No, I have never considered it and would never consider it.

 If I ever aspired to teach TM, I would get myself certified and do it 
 through the auspices of the TMO.

 Interesting.

 Thanks for also answering an earlier question.

 Vedic Cold War town TM teachers slap their heals and fall in line. The 
 TM Aryan elite lives in you Shemp.

 Zig Marshee Mahesh Yogee! Purity!

 Would you support the impure in any way? Is their soma OK? Come on 
 Shemp!


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 
  ...having been bitten by the TMO as an unrecertified teacher wanting
  to share the teaching you preserve through your practice? Have you
  considered joining a movement like the Vedic Meditation movement and
  share the gift you enjoy?
 
  http://www.introtomeditation.com/
 
  I can imagine a number of spinoffs inspired Ex-TM teachers could 
 share:
 
  Tantric Mantra Meditation
 
  Transcendental Silence Meditation
 
  Bija Mantra Meditation
 
  Ishta-Devata Meditation
 
  ...and any number of variations.
 
  The possibilities are endless for the aspiring ex-TM teacher, esp. if
  you're near or in retirement and want something rewarding to do with
  your time.
 
  Have you or any of the other ex-TM teachers here considered that
  (Shemp? Raunchy D? Rick? Barry? Nabby? Dorflx? etc.) What would you
  call it? Are you too attached to the old name or is the innocent
  experience more important and the name less so?
 

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/225995

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Guru Deva Mantram'

2009-08-08 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 This Guru Deva Mantram
 
 Will release one from powerful illusions the serious effects of this 
 Kali-uuahagam...
 
 Very powerful...done in a few minute verses
 effortlessly, as the same as you would think,
 Any other thought...
 Now, close the eyes, don't mind the time
 ...just a few repeatings is enough!
 
 Shr Shr Jai Guruam Devam Namah Om...
 
 Shr Shr Jai Maha Kali Jai Namah Om!
 
 Jai Guru Dev!


Be careful in invoking Kali - you may never know what She will do
- Maharishi

Jai Guru Dev

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...



On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique  
to

teach from a genuine guru. You don't have an organization to deal with
and can teach freely on your own. That's what I did.



What about integration? Is it worth integrating an old, popular  
meditation techniques (that are now largely passé) to something new  
only in packaging? Or does it have to be new--from the source--seig  
heil pure as some Republicans might prefer or nothing?


Of course the other option is to discard all the above.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

2009-08-08 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique to 
 teach from a genuine guru.  You don't have an organization to deal with 
 and can teach freely on your own.  That's what I did.



Bow down to Guru Dev and give to Him your mistakes; He will sort your karmic 
problems out if you are sincere, no need to worry. 

Then have a checking and everything wil be alright.

All is well, all manner of things are well
- Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

Vaj wrote:

 On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

 I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique to
 teach from a genuine guru. You don't have an organization to deal with
 and can teach freely on your own. That's what I did.


 What about integration? Is it worth integrating an old, popular 
 meditation techniques (that are now largely passé) to something new 
 only in packaging? Or does it have to be new--from the source--seig 
 heil pure as some Republicans might prefer or nothing?

 Of course the other option is to discard all the above.
I find TM flawed so would not use it as a technique for the masses.  It 
works somewhat but it may leave the practitioner uncentered.  I'm sort 
of with Shemp on this.  Leave TM in its original package.  If you want 
to teach meditation outside the movement then go learn something else to 
teach.  It's not that complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

nablusoss1008 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:
   
 I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique to 
 teach from a genuine guru.  You don't have an organization to deal with 
 and can teach freely on your own.  That's what I did.
 



 Bow down to Guru Dev and give to Him your mistakes; He will sort your karmic 
 problems out if you are sincere, no need to worry. 

 Then have a checking and everything wil be alright.

 All is well, all manner of things are well
 - Maharishi

Or bow down to Kali and have shakti as thick likesteel. ;-)

(Not to mention experiences one could never imagine).
http://realtantrasolutions.com

[FairfieldLife] Is the US on the Brink of Fascism?

Good article on where we are in the US on the road to fascism:
http://www.alternet.org/politics/141819/is_the_u.s._on_the_brink_of_fascism/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
same thing yourself.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Several days ago I posited a question here
 whether the birther movement was started by
 those on the left and Democrats, not by
 Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
 
 Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
 wing group.

As you know, I said no such thing.

I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
did I say anything about a radical right-wing
group. You made that up out of whole cloth.

Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
 Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
 same thing yourself.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  Several days ago I posited a question here
  whether the birther movement was started by
  those on the left and Democrats, not by
  Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
  
  Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
  wing group.
 
 As you know, I said no such thing.
 
 I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
 did I say anything about a radical right-wing
 group. You made that up out of whole cloth.
 
 Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?



I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you saying.

I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.

And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See if you 
can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make honest mistakes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
  Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
  same thing yourself.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Several days ago I posited a question here
   whether the birther movement was started by
   those on the left and Democrats, not by
   Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
   
   Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
   wing group.
  
  As you know, I said no such thing.
  
  I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
  did I say anything about a radical right-wing
  group. You made that up out of whole cloth.
  
  Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?
 
 
 
 I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you saying.
 
 I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.
 
 And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See if you 
 can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make honest mistakes.



Here's why I said what I said: the following paragraph, Judy, is from message 
#226476 on August 3 at 2:03pm where you wrote:

Don't know who started it, but Hillary supporters
were among those pursuing it. According to Wikipedia,
it had been limited to rumors circulated via email
until a writer for the National Review (a conservative
publication) published an article about the rumors in
June 2008, shortly after Obama's nomination, suggesting
that Obama could quash the rumors by making his birth
certificate available:

Are you objecting to the word radical?  Certainly not right wing because 
that is what, as you yourself describe them, they are: a CONSERVATIVE 
publication.

At the very least I didn't deserve the as you know and the accusation that I 
made it out of whole cloth and it was an honest mistake.  

At the most I was spot on in what I said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  No, I have never considered it and would never consider it.
 
  If I ever aspired to teach TM, I would get myself certified and do  
  it through the auspices of the TMO.
 
 Interesting.
 
 Thanks for also answering an earlier question.
 
 Vedic Cold War town TM teachers slap their heals and fall in line. The  
 TM Aryan elite lives in you Shemp.
 
 Zig Marshee Mahesh Yogee! Purity!
 
 Would you support the impure in any way? Is their soma OK? Come on  
 Shemp!



As I've written here on this forum numerous times before: ever since 
Maharishi's we are satisfied response to a journalist's question about what 
he thought about people learning TM outside the movement (from about 2003 
during one of those press conferences), my feelings are: if that's what people 
want to do and if Maharishi's satisfied, well then, who the hell am I to 
complain.

But you asked me whether I would consider teaching outside of the movement, not 
how I felt about others doing it.  I answered you that I didn't feel 
comfortable and if and when I ever wanted to teach TM I would do it within the 
auspices of the TM Movement.

And I still feel that way.  If you have a problem with it, too fucking bad.







 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   ...having been bitten by the TMO as an unrecertified teacher wanting
   to share the teaching you preserve through your practice? Have you
   considered joining a movement like the Vedic Meditation movement and
   share the gift you enjoy?
  
   http://www.introtomeditation.com/
  
   I can imagine a number of spinoffs inspired Ex-TM teachers could  
  share:
  
   Tantric Mantra Meditation
  
   Transcendental Silence Meditation
  
   Bija Mantra Meditation
  
   Ishta-Devata Meditation
  
   ...and any number of variations.
  
   The possibilities are endless for the aspiring ex-TM teacher, esp.  
  if
   you're near or in retirement and want something rewarding to do with
   your time.
  
   Have you or any of the other ex-TM teachers here considered that
   (Shemp? Raunchy D? Rick? Barry? Nabby? Dorflx? etc.) What would you
   call it? Are you too attached to the old name or is the innocent
   experience more important and the name less so?
  
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/225995

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

Maddow complains that Nazism is not a metaphor.

Well, if she is unhappy with activists using Nazi or Hitler metaphors, she 
should first complain about the #1 website that has been using these very terms 
for the eight years that Bush was president ON A DAILY BASIS.

I'm talking, of course, about the huffingtonpost.com, the left-wing 
Obama-supporting site.

The following is an advanced google search on the words nazi or hitler 
appearing just on the huffingtonpost.com.  Note that there are OVER 45,500 hits:

http://tinyurl.com/mu6elw


.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 [NOTE: Very intense video report.]
 
 
 Maddow and Franklin Schaeffer on threat posed by right-wing extremism 
 
 
 - Rachel shows examples of extreme hate from prominent right wingers and 
 corporate shills from right wing corporate fronts -
 
 - Then Franklin Schaeffer, the author of 'Crazy For God' and a man who knows 
 whereof he speaks when it comes to the great white underbelly of the American 
 Right, really laid it out last night on Rachel Maddow's show:
 
 
 Schaeffer: The far right knows they have lost, they've lost the hearts and 
 minds of most American people, for instance, who want health care. But they 
 also know that they have a large group of people who are not well-informed, 
 who listen to only their own sources, who buy the lies -- for instance, all 
 this nonsense about euthanasia being mandatory, and all the rest of it. And 
 these people can be energized to go out and do really dreadful things.
 
 And we've seen it in front of abortion clinics, I'm afraid we're going to see 
 it with some of our political leaders. And the Glenn Becks of this world 
 literally are responsible for unleashing what I regard as an anti-democratic, 
 anti-American movement in this country... 
 
 Watch the whole segment: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002034/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Maddow complains that Nazism is not a metaphor.
 
 Well, if she is unhappy with activists using Nazi or Hitler metaphors, 
 she should first complain about the #1 website that has been using these very 
 terms for the eight years that Bush was president ON A DAILY BASIS.
 
 I'm talking, of course, about the huffingtonpost.com, the left-wing 
 Obama-supporting site.
 
 The following is an advanced google search on the words nazi or hitler 
 appearing just on the huffingtonpost.com.  Note that there are OVER 45,500 
 hits:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/mu6elw

I looked through the first three pages of hits.
Not one was to an article that used the terms about
the Bush administration (although there were a
couple of commenters who did).

They were either about Hitler and the Nazis
themselves, without reference to Bush, or they
were critiques of conservatives' use of the
phrases to describe those they disagreed with.

If you want us to believe that HuffPo's actual
writers were using the terms to refer to the
Bush administration, you're going to have to
plow through the hits until you find some that
do.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
   Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
   same thing yourself.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
Several days ago I posited a question here
whether the birther movement was started by
those on the left and Democrats, not by
Republicans as had been popularaly reported.

Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
wing group.
   
   As you know, I said no such thing.
   
   I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
   did I say anything about a radical right-wing
   group. You made that up out of whole cloth.
   
   Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?
  
  
  
  I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you saying.
  
  I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.
  
  And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See if 
  you can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make honest 
  mistakes.
 
 Here's why I said what I said: the following paragraph, Judy, is from message 
 #226476 on August 3 at 2:03pm where you wrote:
 
 Don't know who started it, but Hillary supporters
 were among those pursuing it. According to Wikipedia,
 it had been limited to rumors circulated via email
 until a writer for the National Review (a conservative
 publication) published an article about the rumors in
 June 2008, shortly after Obama's nomination, suggesting
 that Obama could quash the rumors by making his birth
 certificate available:
 
 Are you objecting to the word radical?  Certainly not right wing because 
 that is what, as you yourself describe them, they are: a CONSERVATIVE 
 publication.

Conservative publication is not a synonym for
radical right-wing group. And as I said, the
rumors had been going around well before the
National Review article appeared, so the National
Review most certainly didn't *start* the birther
movement.

Again, I said explicitly that I *didn't know*
who started it, as your quote from my post
documents.

 At the very least I didn't deserve the as you know and the accusation that 
 I made it out of whole cloth and it was an honest mistake.  

I don't think it was, Shemp. I think you knew what
I said and just decided to put words in my mouth.



 
 At the most I was spot on in what I said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp, have you considered this...

2009-08-08 Thread emptybill

SSRS's Sahaj meditation is almost the same. All his meditation teachers taught 
TM first. There only a few clarifications added to allow the meditator to rest 
in awareness (the Self) at some points of the process. This was the original 
teaching. There have been a number of SSRS'S old TM teachers who observed a 
fading of natual effortless in the way TM has been taught over the past 10 
years.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Vaj wrote:
 
  On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  I think ex-TM teachers would do better to learn some other technique to
  teach from a genuine guru. You don't have an organization to deal with
  and can teach freely on your own. That's what I did.
 
 
  What about integration? Is it worth integrating an old, popular 
  meditation techniques (that are now largely passé) to something new 
  only in packaging? Or does it have to be new--from the source--seig 
  heil pure as some Republicans might prefer or nothing?
 
  Of course the other option is to discard all the above.
 I find TM flawed so would not use it as a technique for the masses.  It 
 works somewhat but it may leave the practitioner uncentered.  I'm sort 
 of with Shemp on this.  Leave TM in its original package.  If you want 
 to teach meditation outside the movement then go learn something else to 
 teach.  It's not that complicated.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Inside Scoop!/Obama The anti-Christ'

2009-08-08 Thread seekliberation


 So, here's my take on who's the real anti-Christ...
 
 From my knowledge, that Obama won the Presidency, was predicted in the:
 The 'Dead Sea Scrolls'...
 A portion said this: That there would be a leader, at the turn of this 
 century...
 Who would 'Lead the People astray, with his lying tongue!'
 
 It goes on to say: 'That this lying leader, would be replaced with a prophet, 
 who is called:
 'The Righteous One'...who is Barack Obama...

The lying leader/righteous one could be interpreted in an infinite # of ways.  
You could interpret Bill Clinton as the one with the lying tongue, or Bush Sr. 
or Reagan as the liar, or any prominent politician over the past 50 or so 
years.  Finding someone who leads people astray with a lying tongue in this 
country is like trying to find the white on rice.  And whoever takes over after 
the liar is supposedly the 'righteous one'.  That prophecy doesn`t just apply 
to this generation and this age, but to every age and generation in history. 

 
 And now, what a miracle...a black man wins the WH...
 Senile Reagan turns in his grave...
 Bush receads like the snake he is back to Dallas..
 
 So, now is our chance, this is our time, to work with the forces of good 
 against the forces of retards, to take:
 Our Country Back!

I hate to seem like the pessimist on so many issues, but I wouldn`t get my 
hopes up that Obama is any kind of saviour.  Our country has been controlled 
more by underground and behind the scenes organizations for decades now.  The 
president is more of a political figure head.  My personal belief is that Obama 
is just another President.  He is going along with the same war plan that Bush 
implemented, and he is also increasing operations in Pakistan/Waziristan, which 
will open up a huge can of worms if that breaks out into total war.  He is the 
extreme opposite of Bush, which is what the people will vote for when there is 
an extremely unpopular President (as was the case with JohnonNixon or 
CarterReagan or BushClinton).   But he still follows suit in many ways, but 
with a liberal agenda instead of conservative.  

IMO Obama's got some good ideas, some of which he will be best known for, but 
overall I doubt these ideas are going to turn this country around to the extent 
most people are expecting.

Seekliberation

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

ANSWERS BELOW, INTERSPERSED (READ TO THE END, PLEASE)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  Maddow complains that Nazism is not a metaphor.
  
  Well, if she is unhappy with activists using Nazi or Hitler metaphors, 
  she should first complain about the #1 website that has been using these 
  very terms for the eight years that Bush was president ON A DAILY BASIS.
  
  I'm talking, of course, about the huffingtonpost.com, the left-wing 
  Obama-supporting site.
  
  The following is an advanced google search on the words nazi or hitler 
  appearing just on the huffingtonpost.com.  Note that there are OVER 45,500 
  hits:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/mu6elw
 
 I looked through the first three pages of hits.
 Not one was to an article that used the terms about
 the Bush administration (although there were a
 couple of commenters who did).



Who said anything about the hits belonging ONLY to the articles or the authors 
of the articles?  Not me.

And, like you say, the commentators did...JUST LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE MADDOW 
WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT WERE NOT POLITICAL PUNDITS BUT REGULAR CITIZENS WHO WERE 
PROTESTING.




 
 They were either about Hitler and the Nazis
 themselves, without reference to Bush, or they
 were critiques of conservatives' use of the
 phrases to describe those they disagreed with.



Who said the 45,500 hits were ONLY directed at Bush?  Not me.  Please reread 
what I wrote.


 
 If you want us to believe that HuffPo's actual
 writers were using the terms 





...and where, pray tell, did I say or even insinuate that?

I talked about activists which includes bloggers AND posters.







 to refer to the
 Bush administration, you're going to have to
 plow through the hits until you find some that
 do.



Well, you already found several that referred to that made a comparison to 
conservatives as you write above.

Okay: let's extrapolate that, Judy, to ALL the hits using the statistics that 
you yourself amassed, according to what you wrote above.  

Google returns 10 hits to a page; you got a couple of commentators that DID 
make the nazi/hitler comparison to Bush.

So, that's 2 (a couple is at least two maybe more...but we'll go with the 
minimum) out of a possible 30...or 1 in 15.

Well, dividing 15 into 45,500 is: 3,033. USING YOUR OWN FIGURES AND YOUR OWN 
LOGIC, JUDY.

And it may not be a big deal to YOU, Judy, but 3,033 is a hell of a lot.

How many references to hitler/nazis were made by the ObamaCre protesters over 
the past few days, pray tell?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
same thing yourself.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 Several days ago I posited a question here
 whether the birther movement was started by
 those on the left and Democrats, not by
 Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
 
 Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
 wing group.

As you know, I said no such thing.

I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
did I say anything about a radical right-wing
group. You made that up out of whole cloth.

Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?
   
   
   
   I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you saying.
   
   I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.
   
   And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See if 
   you can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make honest 
   mistakes.
  
  Here's why I said what I said: the following paragraph, Judy, is from 
  message #226476 on August 3 at 2:03pm where you wrote:
  
  Don't know who started it, but Hillary supporters
  were among those pursuing it. According to Wikipedia,
  it had been limited to rumors circulated via email
  until a writer for the National Review (a conservative
  publication) published an article about the rumors in
  June 2008, shortly after Obama's nomination, suggesting
  that Obama could quash the rumors by making his birth
  certificate available:
  
  Are you objecting to the word radical?  Certainly not right wing 
  because that is what, as you yourself describe them, they are: a 
  CONSERVATIVE publication.
 
 Conservative publication is not a synonym for
 radical right-wing group. And as I said, the
 rumors had been going around well before the
 National Review article appeared, so the National
 Review most certainly didn't *start* the birther
 movement.
 
 Again, I said explicitly that I *didn't know*
 who started it, as your quote from my post
 documents.
 
  At the very least I didn't deserve the as you know and the accusation 
  that I made it out of whole cloth and it was an honest mistake.  
 
 I don't think it was, Shemp. I think you knew what
 I said and just decided to put words in my mouth.




Try looking at your fellow human being in the same way that I hope you look at 
a cup that is half full, Judy.





 
 
 
  
  At the most I was spot on in what I said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Inside Scoop!/Obama The anti-Christ'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... 
wrote:
snip
 I hate to seem like the pessimist on so many issues,
 but I wouldn`t get my hopes up that Obama is any kind
 of saviour.  Our country has been controlled more by
 underground and behind the scenes organizations for
 decades now.  The president is more of a political
 figure head.  My personal belief is that Obama is just
 another President.  He is going along with the same
 war plan that Bush implemented, and he is also
 increasing operations in Pakistan/Waziristan, which
 will open up a huge can of worms if that breaks out
 into total war.  He is the extreme opposite of Bush,
 which is what the people will vote for when there is
 an extremely unpopular President (as was the case with
 JohnonNixon or CarterReagan or BushClinton).   But
 he still follows suit in many ways, but with a liberal
 agenda instead of conservative.  
 
 IMO Obama's got some good ideas, some of which he will
 be best known for, but overall I doubt these ideas are
 going to turn this country around to the extent most
 people are expecting.

That's an excellent capsule analysis. The main
reason I supported Hillary in the primaries was
that I thought she had a lot clearer idea of what
she'd be up against in terms of entrenched
interests and wouldn't be nearly as easy to push
around.

She might not have had any greater success than
Obama will, but she had a better chance because she
knew what she'd be getting into, and I'd have liked
to see her give it a shot.

Even with Obama, though, if folks are paying
attention (almost certainly too big an if), the
fact that he and Bush are just about polar opposites
in terms of their agendas, and yet the results aren't
that different, should make it obvious that, as you
say, it isn't the president who runs the country.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 ANSWERS BELOW, INTERSPERSED (READ TO THE END, PLEASE)
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Maddow complains that Nazism is not a metaphor.
   
   Well, if she is unhappy with activists using Nazi or Hitler 
   metaphors, she should first complain about the #1 website that has been 
   using these very terms for the eight years that Bush was president ON A 
   DAILY BASIS.
   
   I'm talking, of course, about the huffingtonpost.com, the left-wing 
   Obama-supporting site.
   
   The following is an advanced google search on the words nazi or 
   hitler appearing just on the huffingtonpost.com.  Note that there are 
   OVER 45,500 hits:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/mu6elw
  
  I looked through the first three pages of hits.
  Not one was to an article that used the terms about
  the Bush administration (although there were a
  couple of commenters who did).
 
 Who said anything about the hits belonging ONLY to the
 articles or the authors of the articles?  Not me.

BZZT. You said, ...she should first complain about
the #1 website that has been using these very terms

Case closed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

 Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
 Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
 same thing yourself.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  Several days ago I posited a question here
  whether the birther movement was started by
  those on the left and Democrats, not by
  Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
  
  Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
  wing group.
 
 As you know, I said no such thing.
 
 I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
 did I say anything about a radical right-wing
 group. You made that up out of whole cloth.
 
 Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?



I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you 
saying.

I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.

And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See 
if you can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make honest 
mistakes.
   
   Here's why I said what I said: the following paragraph, Judy, is from 
   message #226476 on August 3 at 2:03pm where you wrote:
   
   Don't know who started it, but Hillary supporters
   were among those pursuing it. According to Wikipedia,
   it had been limited to rumors circulated via email
   until a writer for the National Review (a conservative
   publication) published an article about the rumors in
   June 2008, shortly after Obama's nomination, suggesting
   that Obama could quash the rumors by making his birth
   certificate available:
   
   Are you objecting to the word radical?  Certainly not right wing 
   because that is what, as you yourself describe them, they are: a 
   CONSERVATIVE publication.
  
  Conservative publication is not a synonym for
  radical right-wing group. And as I said, the
  rumors had been going around well before the
  National Review article appeared, so the National
  Review most certainly didn't *start* the birther
  movement.
  
  Again, I said explicitly that I *didn't know*
  who started it, as your quote from my post
  documents.
  
   At the very least I didn't deserve the as you know and the accusation 
   that I made it out of whole cloth and it was an honest mistake.  
  
  I don't think it was, Shemp. I think you knew what
  I said and just decided to put words in my mouth.
 
 Try looking at your fellow human being in the same way that I hope you look 
 at a cup that is half full, Judy.

You have a long history of doing this, Shemp. You don't
get the benefit of the doubt, sorry. You just did it
again with the HuffPo-Nazi business. You did it last
week in a post that put all kinds of words in my mouth
about Al Gore Sr. that I never said.

If you're going to repeat what somebody else said,
you just showed you're perfectly capable of looking
it up and getting it right. But you didn't. You made
up something that served your argument.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Glenn Becks' anti-democratic, anti-American movement

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  ANSWERS BELOW, INTERSPERSED (READ TO THE END, PLEASE)
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
Maddow complains that Nazism is not a metaphor.

Well, if she is unhappy with activists using Nazi or Hitler 
metaphors, she should first complain about the #1 website that has been 
using these very terms for the eight years that Bush was president ON A 
DAILY BASIS.

I'm talking, of course, about the huffingtonpost.com, the left-wing 
Obama-supporting site.

The following is an advanced google search on the words nazi or 
hitler appearing just on the huffingtonpost.com.  Note that there are 
OVER 45,500 hits:

http://tinyurl.com/mu6elw
   
   I looked through the first three pages of hits.
   Not one was to an article that used the terms about
   the Bush administration (although there were a
   couple of commenters who did).
  
  Who said anything about the hits belonging ONLY to the
  articles or the authors of the articles?  Not me.
 
 BZZT. You said, ...she should first complain about
 the #1 website that has been using these very terms
 
 Case closed.



No, not case closed.

The term website as it refers to the huffingtonpost.com INCLUDES BLOGGERS AND 
COMMENTATORS ALIKE.  And if you knew anything about that site, you'd know that 
100% OF THE COMMENTATORS' POSTS ARE MODERATED.  As such, the website controls 
the use of the words in question.  Indeed, in their moderation of the site, 
many people feel the huffingtonpost relies too heavily on censorship (try 
googling THAT, Judy, and you'll see what I mean).

So it is entirely fair to say that the website has been using these very 
terms and refer to bloggers and commentators alike.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birther movement hatched by Left-Wing: Coulter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Jeez, Shemp, you have a lot of nerve dumping on 
  Barry for making stuff up when you do exactly the 
  same thing yourself.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   Several days ago I posited a question here
   whether the birther movement was started by
   those on the left and Democrats, not by
   Republicans as had been popularaly reported.
   
   Judy responded that, no, it was a radical right-
   wing group.
  
  As you know, I said no such thing.
  
  I said I didn't know who had started it. Nowhere
  did I say anything about a radical right-wing
  group. You made that up out of whole cloth.
  
  Did you really think I wouldn't call you on this?
 
 
 
 I apologise.  I was going on memory and that's what I remember you 
 saying.
 
 I'll try and go back in the archives and see exactly what you said.
 
 And could you please stop using that fucking line as you know.  See 
 if you can dig in your soul and assume that people can can make 
 honest mistakes.

Here's why I said what I said: the following paragraph, Judy, is from 
message #226476 on August 3 at 2:03pm where you wrote:

Don't know who started it, but Hillary supporters
were among those pursuing it. According to Wikipedia,
it had been limited to rumors circulated via email
until a writer for the National Review (a conservative
publication) published an article about the rumors in
June 2008, shortly after Obama's nomination, suggesting
that Obama could quash the rumors by making his birth
certificate available:

Are you objecting to the word radical?  Certainly not right wing 
because that is what, as you yourself describe them, they are: a 
CONSERVATIVE publication.
   
   Conservative publication is not a synonym for
   radical right-wing group. And as I said, the
   rumors had been going around well before the
   National Review article appeared, so the National
   Review most certainly didn't *start* the birther
   movement.
   
   Again, I said explicitly that I *didn't know*
   who started it, as your quote from my post
   documents.
   
At the very least I didn't deserve the as you know and the accusation 
that I made it out of whole cloth and it was an honest mistake.  
   
   I don't think it was, Shemp. I think you knew what
   I said and just decided to put words in my mouth.
  
  Try looking at your fellow human being in the same way that I hope you look 
  at a cup that is half full, Judy.
 
 You have a long history of doing this, Shemp. You don't
 get the benefit of the doubt, sorry. You just did it
 again with the HuffPo-Nazi business. You did it last
 week in a post that put all kinds of words in my mouth
 about Al Gore Sr. that I never said.
 
 If you're going to repeat what somebody else said,
 you just showed you're perfectly capable of looking
 it up and getting it right. But you didn't. You made
 up something that served your argument.



Actually, in this case I was right.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fucking hypocrite Huffington

2009-08-08 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Speaking of the huffingtonpost.com allowing their site to publish the words 
 hitler and nazi over 45,500 times since they came into existance, how's 
 this for chutzpah:
 


 Arianna complaining about Rush Limbaugh using hitler as a metaphor:
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-on-real-time-with_b_254632.html
 
 
 



What's the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg? One's a flaming 
Nazi gasbag, the other is a dirigible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Women at Risk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  Hi Judy, You beat me to it. I was going to post Violet
  Sock's blog about this story which she says the media
  pretty much buried. Her take on it is that the dudes
  don't see it as a hate crime. I'm glad to see Bob
  Herbert write about it.
 
 That's the main reason I posted it. Some of the men
 on this forum seem to think the misogyny in this 
 country and the resulting violence against women is
 just a feminist victim fantasy.


Judy, the dudes on FFLife are a riot. 

Shemp shifts the conversation from Women at Risk to gun control. Then, 
without any irony he says, Guns are really beside the point. I'm still 
laughing. 

Rick gets into it with Shemp about lax gun control laws. He hits all the 
leftwing talking points denouncing: automatic weapons, assault rifles, 
bazookas, suitcase nukes and blasting caps. Does he denounce misogyny if given 
the opportunity? Of course he doesn't. An argument about gun control with Shemp 
is more important to him. 

Nelson chimes in about making bombs from supermarket supplies. 

Patrick was on topic. Nice. Thanks, Patrick.

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